Mention It All - The Austen Kroll Support Group Ft. Jordana Abraham (RHONJ, Summer House)

Episode Date: March 9, 2022

Dylan and Jordana return to discuss Summer House and RHONJ, starting with the elephant in the room: why do so many people want to f*ck Austen? They unpack Lindsay and Ciara’s issues, and whether Kyle’s prenup talk is just for the cameras. Then, they pivot to New Jersey, where Gia and Teresa have a much-needed check-in. They work through Jennifer’s complicated feelings about Bill, then finish by recapping an epic guys’ night. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Dylan Hafer. We'll go and check me, though. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. And as usual, I'm joined by my favorite Wednesday guest, Jordana Abraham. Hey, Jordana. Hi, Dylan.

Thank you. Am I your favorite Wednesday guest or am I your only Wednesday guest? You're my only Wednesday guest lately, but we are going to switch it up a little bit, you're going to be out the next two weeks, so there will be some fun Wednesday surprises, and then you'll be back with us post-Honeymoon. Yes, I'm excited to listen in from wherever I am in the world. And, you know, I'm actually, I won't be able to listen because I need to watch before. No spoilers.

Exactly. Yeah. I don't know if they, if Bravo is in like the Indian Ocean these days, but probably not. Isn't that like the, it's sort of like the worst and most exciting part about going on vacation. You have like all your shows to come back to. Yeah, either that or you are like, no, I'm going to watch while I'm on vacation. And then it's like, wait, everybody's like, what are you doing? And you're like, no, like I just want to watch housewives. Right. It's like, it feels like a vacation to watch mini vacation. Exactly. But we have lots to talk about today before you head out for the next couple weeks. Jersey, Summerhouse, obviously, lots of interesting, interpersonal dynamics that we need to break down.

I actually want to start with Summerhouse today a little bit of a curveball because we usually do Jersey first. But we have got to talk about the women of Summerhouse being down bad for Austin Crowell because I don't understand it. I don't think anyone understands it. And it is really disappointing to watch. Okay. I mean, I've said it on the show before.

I can't fully tell him and crack apart. But they have this. Not only do they look the same, but they have that same. same like kind of like fuck boy aura is that like a southern charm thing do you know what i mean like yeah kind of there i think way back in the first season of southern charm they go through a whole thing of explaining peter pan syndrome and that the men in charleston just don't want to grow up and don't want to commit and all of this and you know they've all been in relationships at different points throughout their uh reality tv careers but that this is kind of a recurring theme and you're right that austin and

Craig sort of have similar energy and they even are doing a live tour together. And I'm just like, who's paying money to go watch them? It's called pillows and beer. And it's like, what's the, what's the talent? What's the main act? Like, I don't understand. They're not comedians. They're not performers.

Not everybody needs a live show. Exactly. Not everyone needs a touring show. I totally agree with that. And both of them, I mean, I just kind, it's just funny because. like they give off the same you see or whenever I've only seen them in in relation to summer house cast like for the winter house or summer house and they just both seem like they're the same they have this they do the same things or they have the same energy of just kind of like being like

thinking they're very cool and like kind of just like putting themselves in inappropriate situations and like messing with people a little bit yeah and with Austin specifically and his background with Lindsay on Winterhouse, it was already kind of tough to watch. Lindsay clearly going into the Winterhouse experience thinking that they were going to sort of have this, you know, long-awaited relationship-y moment that they were finally both single,

and she professed that she loved him when she was drunk, and it was hard to watch. And then watching her basically do the same thing on Summerhouse where she's like, he's coming from my birthday. Obviously he's going to sleep in my bed. And I can't wait to see my favorite person in the world, Austin. And it's like, on one hand, I love Lindsay and I want her to get what she wants at all times. But on the other hand, it's like, girl, can you hear yourself?

Can you take one tiny step back and see that you are walking into the exact same trap that got your feelings hurt in Vermont? And certainly nothing has changed with Austin. Dylan, I was going to ask if you know, like, the timeline because I know there was a watch what happens live episode where like he was kind of like, he was answering kind of like rudely towards Lindsay. And then she after that was like, I need a break from our friendship. Was that before this incident or after? It's very hard for me to keep up. That was after they had filmed this season of Summerhouse. I think that was when Winterhouse was airing, which was in the fall. So basically, I think by the time either of them were sort of talking. about this publicly. They had already done Winterhouse and Summerhouse, and clearly a lot has, there's a lot of water under the bridge, if you will. And so it's like, it seems pretty clear that they are not going to be in any kind of relationship with each other. Obviously, we know now Lindsay and Carl are together, but it's like, Lindsay just has this weird fixation in her mind that at some point or in some way Austin is going to come around and want her. And it's like,

I mean, I want better for her. I want because he's not going to make her happy. I agree, but it's funny because like I thought the same thing about Carl, like the way, you know, when she and Carl a few seasons back. And I was like, what are you doing? Like he's not like, and she probably thought like, oh, he'll probably, he, you know, he came around. But then he did come around. So it's like, it's a, it's a very, I would say it's an exception, not the rule with Carl.

I think Carl did have like a life-changing moment where he really wanted to be a different person than he was. So maybe that was like the difference. But it is funny that with Austin and with Carl, she was drawn to these guys who were like sort of messing with her in those moments. Right. And guys who are more or less in her friend group and she maybe there's been some sexual tension or some chemistry or maybe they've, you know, gotten drunk and made out or something. but that she's kind of taking that and running with it and saying, no, like, we're meant to be, this is going to happen. It's going to be our time. And it's like, yeah, but five minutes ago, we saw Austin getting cozy with Sierra.

Yeah. And everyone saw that. Not even just like we saw it. Like she saw it too. Right. And regardless of where Austin is what bed he's sleeping in or what event he came to the house for, he clearly does not think that he and Lindsay have any kind of agreement or plan or anything that requires him to not get close to Sierra. And it's like, I kind of, in a way, in a way I think Austin sucks, but also in a way, I'm like, I kind of can't blame him because I think, I don't think he ever said anything to Lindsay necessarily to give her, I don't know, like, it just feels like they're on two.

completely different pages. And in a way, it's like, I don't know, I don't, I can't be that mad at either of you. I kind of agree. Although I do think if someone tells you they love you and you don't feel the same, it's sort of your job, like it's sort of at least partially your responsibility to like back off. Because at that point, you're sort of like, like the drug to the person. Like they're telling you they love you and you don't feel the same. But you kind of, but he also clearly likes the attention from her because he wouldn't be like

feeding into it. and making out with her and telling her that Sierra wants him in her bed. Like he clearly is thriving in the situation. He clearly likes it. He likes the idea of these two girls fighting over him. And I do think for C... I wonder if with Sierra and Lindsay, is it like... Is it like...

Do they not like each other because of Austin? Or is Austin a vehicle for them to express that they don't like each other? Like, which came first? The Austin or the tension between them? The Austin or the egg. All new drinks are now. at McDonald's with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refresher and the mango pineapple refresher with popping boba to crafted sodas like the sprite berry blast with berry flavors and

cold foam who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire try them all now at mcdonalds refreshers contain caffeine copyright 2026 the coca cola company spryd is a registered trademark of the cocoa company I feel like it's probably a mixture of both. I do think Austin is not helping the situation for sure. But it seems like Lindsay and Sierra maybe just aren't really each other's cup of tea in a way. And I think there's always been kind of that divide in the house. We saw it before it was with Paige and Hannah, not really getting along with Lindsay and Danielle maybe.

And now Sierra has kind of taken that position. and it's just, I don't know if Lindsay in a way feels threatened by Sierra and maybe Austin kind of brings that out more than it would. It wouldn't be as obvious otherwise. But I love that Maya is kind of an innocent bystander. And she's like, wait, why are they fighting over Austin? Like, what's going on? This guy is not that great. Like, what is happening?

Can everybody just like hang out and have a good time? It's just, yeah. I mean, the Austin of it all is just like, serious. Yeah, him, I would like, I don't know, I didn't really, yeah, I don't really get the appeal either, totally feel that. But I did, it's interesting. I did feel kind of bad for Luke in this, you know what I mean? Like Luke had, Luke had his five lines this episode. He had his little like part. I feel like he hasn't had almost any screen time. But he did chirp up to say that he felt like Sierra's proclamation that Austin could not say. And he was. sleep in Lindsay's bed was a double standard or hypocritical. Yeah. Yeah. I think Luke and Alex seemed to be in a competition for least screen time this season because

I feel like Alex, they're like cutting his role episode by episode. It's like, oh, is he here this weekend? No, okay. I don't know. And now apparently we're calling Andrea Andy, which was new to me. That was weird. Was that like a winter house thing? Because it seemed like the Charleston guys who are like doing it.

I guess. I guess. Yeah. And Paige has basically. this episode made her choice. She clearly is not, she's decided that she and Andrea aren't going to happen. And it's, it's a little unclear how, whether that has been communicated to Andrea, because he still seems like he's kind of trying to work his way in there a little bit. And I feel, I feel kind of bad because Craig isn't there. So he feels like he should be giving Paige attention. And Paige is kind of like, well, it was funny how Paige was like fake empowering this season.

this episode, she's like, and I texted Craig and I said, like, this is what it's going to be or I'm out. And then the next scene, you see Craig who's like, yeah, I don't feel like we should be exclusive because that'll just ruin it. And she's like, okay, that makes sense. It's like, you're not really, like, what was your text to him? I, what was your text? They're dancing around, right, they're like dancing around this idea that they're clearly both into each other. they both want to keep this going and sort of with some element of knowing that they are both invested but Craig's just like ultimate

like his hesitation to actually put any kind of parameters on it it's just I feel like we've all known or dealt with or experienced somebody doing that where it's like no no no no no I really like you you're so cool I definitely want to to keep hanging out, but like, I, uh, I wouldn't want to make it, like, I wouldn't want to put a thing on it. And it's like, it's going to ruin it. Like, don't be all on a cool. Like Anna Delby voice, like, why do you want a label? Yeah, exactly.

But it's like, yeah, it does feel like he's kind of stringing her along a little bit. And thankfully, knowing that they end up together, it seems like, okay, it's probably, page probably feels like it's worth it now. Right. But it's like, Craig. come on like you're like oh we're like 90% together but like exclusive seems like a big leap and it's like just keep it in your hands when page isn't there yeah that whole thing would have been such a turnoff I just found it surprising that she like was like I just found it

surprising that she was like yeah like I lay down the law but like and then what came of it the exact like and then after you lay down the law you stopped hooking up with someone right and Craig agreed to nothing. Right. You're like, so I've decided that I'm not hooking up with other people. And I've communicated that to Craig. And he said, okay. Exactly.

So we are still at square one, I would say, with that relationship. I'm curious what you thought about Kyle's now talking about how his lover boy investors have been asking if he and Amanda are going to have a pre-nup. Right. But he says that he and Amanda, haven't talked about it, but obviously it's a conversation or something that he's been thinking about. And now he's talking about it with Carl and with other people. And it's like, I still just don't understand. I'm like, why are you having this conversation with someone else on camera and when you

haven't spoken about it with your fiancee a month before the wedding? Yeah. I mean, this scene, that scene like hit me is like very scripted or very like plot like trying to make some sort of plot point because it just seems very bizarre to me that Kyle would be like suddenly thinking about a pre-up 40 days before his wedding when he's been engaged for over two years, right? Like almost three, I think at this point. Right. If you're in a situation, I mean, I haven't, I have not been married, so I haven't dealt with this personally. But I feel like if you are in any kind of situation where a pre-up would be on the table as an option, you would have discussed it with your partner. some time before the wedding that's not a month before.

Right, a month before. Like no, that no one, it seems like that was like extremely unrealistic to me. So that was kind of like, is this like a, they don't want that, like, is this a new plot point? They're trying to like make to get additional like plots or screen times. I don't know. It just, it read as like inauthentic to me. But maybe, maybe, I mean, also Kyle is not the most like on top of all of his shit. kind of guy. So like I guess it's possible. But it's there was like a little red flag that went off to

me in terms of like the weird timing of that. Yeah. It also makes me wonder what the kind of lover boy financial situation is because I know it's Kyle's creation originally, but for at least a couple years now, Amanda's full time job. Right. Do she work for him? Right. Like they've, she's been working on lover boy as her. gig as far as we're told for a couple years now. So it would be, it doesn't seem like it would be the kind of situation where if they were to get divorced, Amanda wouldn't be entitled to any piece of that to me. Like even if Kyle maybe would maintain more of a stake or something, I don't like business things. But it's like, it's not like your company and then she has her own thing.

It's like, you guys have been doing this together. We've watched you. You talk about working together all the time. Right. That's a great point. It's not like Amanda suddenly decided she wants to be part of it. She was there since pretty much the beginning, not like the full full beginning, but like pretty much into the start. And if she, I would assume that she owns at least her own personal cut of it. And she's not just like a salaried employee. So like if that was the case, then you wouldn't, that wouldn't really a pre-up wouldn't really be necessary because that would already be outlined in their agreement for like how much they own the company. But maybe this kind of, I guess, sort of nods to the idea that maybe Kyle is the only owner and Amanda just and like I wonder

how their finances work like do like they make money together off of the profits of lover boy do they have their own salary like I have no idea. See that's like the true tea that I actually want not like a drunk conversation about like I don't know if we should get a pre-up it's like no I want to see you like meeting with the accountant right yeah that's what I'm saying like the the Tom and Katie. That was one of the best scenes of Vanderpump rules and Tom and Katie go to get a pre-up and the guy's like, you guys don't have any money so you don't really need this. Yeah. So first thing's first. Y'all are broke. Exactly. Yeah, it's like I know it probably seems like sheik to get a pre-up, but in this case. You guys don't need one. Some people, sure. Oh my God. Ready to soundtrack your summer? With Red Bull Summer all day play, you choose a playlist that fits your summer vibe the best. Are you a festival fanatic, a deep end DJ, a road dog, or a trail mixer?

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And Gia, I really appreciated her energy in this scene because as, and you can probably relate to this. As a child of divorced parents who have dated, been in relationships, et cetera. as an, when I've been an adult, there are definitely these conversations where it's like, I don't need to know every detail of your personal life, but like, I want to make sure we're like on the same page and that I, we all feel good about the direction things are going in. And watching Teresa in this scene and knowing certain things about what she's told us, what we know happens, we know they get engaged later this season. And it feels like Teresa is kind of lying to Gia about just how serious she and Louis are and where things are headed.

She says they haven't talked about getting engaged, which seems like it has to be. Did she say they hadn't talked about it or that they had talked about it, but they had no, like, plans to? I think she said that they had no plans to, which they get engaged, like, soon in show. The next, like, I think they, I was actually stalking one of their Instagram's last night. I think they got engaged in like December, like right after Thanksgiving. Yeah, it was in the fall. But so I'm curious what your take is on. It feels like Teresa is giving Gia a little bit of like a toned down version of the truth.

Well, it's funny to me that Teresa answers to no one except her children. Like you never really see her like defer to anyone. She's always sort of like the head bitch in charge. But she does really. And this is why I say I do think Teresa. is extremely flawed, but she is a good mom and she does really care about her children. And she wants them to be like happy with her. So I thought it was funny because normally I think Teresa would just do whatever she wants

and just like not care what anyone thinks. But you see in her sit down with Gia, it's almost like Gia's the parent. And she is like, well, like, I don't want you to be rushing and like just be like, you know, like. And she was very, she is also like the voice of reason where she's like, you don't want to make any moves when you're like in the honeymoon phase. Like, you don't really know the person. And I agree with you.

She did seem to be like sort of like, bending the truth to get Gia's approval. Like, yeah, of course. Like, you know, we wouldn't rush into anything. We have talked about it. But like, but then clearly she does. But I thought their dynamic was really interesting. Yeah.

And within this conversation, we're reminded that Teresa and Louis have not quite been together for a full year because Teresa, Teresa asks Gio what she and her boyfriend did for their one-year anniversary. She's like, helicopter tour around the city. And she's like, oh, yeah, that sounds nice. And she's like, what are you going to do for yours? Like, it is funny. Like, in the show world, it feels like Teresa and Louis have been together for a long time.

But the fact that they're like just about to have their one-year anniversary, it's like, wow, damn, that's not that long. And again, we only get a little bit of pink party at the shore before we come back. But Tracy getting in the middle of Teresa and Joe, again, I just like, it's not, it's not doing what she think. Yeah. I don't see. I think she, I get that she's trying to kind of get herself into the group, but it's like, oh, girl, please. Do you think she'll be back next season? I mean, I guess we have a whole, we have the rest of the season to see.

see how that unfolds, but something about it, I just don't, I don't feel like she's going to be staying. I just don't. I always, to me, it's always a bad sign when somebody, you get the sense that she was filming in the way where they could have made her a housewife or a friend of and they chose not to make her a housewife. And to me, that always doesn't, that never bodes well for your future on the show because it's like, if you had one season where you were essentially filming full time and they still didn't give you an apple or they don't hold anything in Jersey a meatball um it's like what is are you are you really compelling enough for them to bring you back I think we'll see like because assuming she gets invited to the reunion maybe if she has a

solid reunion performance or something she does it does seem like she's actually friends with Melissa it seems like the guys really like Tiki um so you know maybe she's better than Michelle last season. I will say that. She seems like a more successful friend of than definitely getting better, getting like real confessionals and things like that. But I think you, I think you talked about this on Bravo by Betches, but something about the Jersey cast is like, even though I don't like some parts of some of them, I do enjoy watching all of them, like the main housewives. Like I do feel like everyone's plot is like pretty interesting on its own. And I like, I really like the dynamic between the whole group.

I think this cast is like one of the best cast right now. Yeah. Totally. And this episode, we have a nice kind of long scene at Jennifer's house. And she clearly is really struggling. And I'm not, I'm not necessarily the biggest Jennifer Aden fan, but I do think she is really interesting to watch on TV. And watching her kind of have to handle this bill cheating stuff. telling her parents, telling her kids, figuring out kind of how to even go about that really is, it's kind of tough to watch because she clearly, this happened 10 years ago.

She basically never told anybody about it. And, you know, she's already told Gabby and watching, you know, Gabby just seems so kind of distraught about her family situation. And it just made me really feel for Jennifer. And I think she, all things considered, is kind of handling this pretty gracefully on TV. Yeah. I think like, I agree. The scene where she's talking to Gabby is just like, you just feel so terrible. Just, I mean, more for Gabby than for Jennifer, but like for Jennifer too.

Just in the sense of like, I think this, again, like the affair she did seem to try to sweep under the rug. And I think she thought if I like, don't talk about it and don't tell. anyone, I'll never fully have to deal with it. And sort of Dolores really like says that too. It's like you're still kind of like you never really got over this. You just kind of like pretended it didn't happen. And now she almost it's almost like he just, he cheated on her 10 years ago, but it's almost like he just cheated on her because now she's because she didn't deal with all the other facets of cheating. And cheating isn't just between two people. It's about everyone else in your life. and it can affect your whole worldview of how of your relationship and your children's view of what

relationships are like and what their parents you know who their parents are like their parents aren't these perfect people and Gabby is clearly having to like learn that. And she's basically having to do all the work from the fallout of cheating now instead of 10 years ago when she was probably pregnant and couldn't deal with it and maybe didn't want to deal with it and maybe had her own feeling of like it's my fault. Totally. And I loved the scene with her and Dolores. I think a couple episodes ago when Dolores and Jackie got in their big argument and Dolores was like, Jennifer, do you feel I support you?

And Jennifer said, I could use more. And I think this scene really showed that Dolores heard that and, you know, took that to heart. And that this was really her being supportive and giving her, you know, Dolores has been through a pretty similar experience. And obviously with her and Frank, they didn't end up staying together. But I think Dolores is really well equipped in this. situation to actually unpack all of this these feelings with Jennifer and sort of illuminate for her that it's like obviously you have your issues with Margaret for good reason it's a whole thing but that this you're not going to solve this problem by just going after Margaret because you really do have to look inside yourself and work through your anger that you still have with Bill and I think

Jennifer can be kind of a hard-headed person. You know, she doesn't always want to hear maybe what she needs to hear. And I think Dolores actually, it seems like she got through to her in this scene. And I'm hoping that that will kind of set Jennifer on the right path to actually feeling better about all this stuff. And that Bill kind of not supporting her at the shore when she was in that argument was kind of a turning point in making it click that it's like, no, I also still have an issue with. Bill. It's not just the women talking about it. Totally. And I think that in the past, Bill has kind of been able to sort of like distract Jennifer with shiny things. Like, you know what I mean? Like their house and the cars and the nice stuff that they have. And I think that sort of kept her

like occupied or kept her distracted. But now she's really being forced to look into her actual relationship and the things that, you know, and she always, she's always painted Bill. My husband is a saint. My husband is like, um, anyone would be like so thrilled. Now I think she's like, almost being forced to look past like the glossy exterior of things and really examine her relationship and like what you know what I mean like examine this betrayal examine the whole thing and like I'm interested to see how they come out of it but I like that they showed a little I mean they don't always show tension between a husband and wife on these shows so I think that that was really interesting to see just their dynamic and she's like bringing up a problem and he's sort

of saying like I don't know what she want me to do. Right. He's like, this happened 10 years ago. I said I wouldn't do it again and I haven't. So what's the issue? And that sometimes in an interpersonal relationship, the feelings aren't necessarily linear the way the actions are. That it's like, okay, that's great if you haven't cheated in 10 years and you said you're sorry and you've gone about your business. But if somebody's, you know, if Jen still has the. complicated emotions about it that just because you agreed 10 years ago that you he she forgave you doesn't mean that she can't still feel away about it totally and that's what she was saying to Dolores which I thought was a very like interesting thing that she said she's like well I already said I was moving on so like can I can do I have the right to still be upset do I have the right to like revisit this or did I say I would let it go and I have to let it go. And I think Dolores being a little bit more closed off was in the camp of like maybe isn't in the camp like she was like unsure,

I think because I think Dolores is probably like she probably did that with Frank but I wonder I wonder if with Frank Dolores still has some resentments in there too. This episode is brought to you by Prime. Obsession is in session. And this summer prime originals have everything you want. Steamy. romances, irresistible love stories, and the book to screen favorites you've already read twice. Off campus, L, every year after, the love hypothesis, Sterling Point, and more. Slow burns, second chances, chemistry you can feel through the screen. Your next obsession is waiting.

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I don't think they've, there's not a lot of, it's not a toxic relationship I don't really feel. But I do think that for Dolores, there are certain shortcomings that Frank has always had as a person, as a father, as a partner, that she still sees and recognizes and still kind of get to her. And I think especially in the dealing with the kids and their relationship with Frank, that now that he's back living with her, it's kind of like, no, like, I've built this whole life these last 20 years. And just because we're on a good, good terms with each other and I'm letting you come stay with me, it's not going to be the Frank show automatically. Like, you still, you have to play by my rules if you're coming into my space and that kind of stuff. Like, it seems like she has some complicated feelings about it. But we have more Louis drama coming up because now there's a new rumor that Louis was hit his ex basically in front of her kids. And this first comes up when Marge and Marge Sr. are at lunch together.

And I have to say it's a little bit, it's getting a little bit like, Margaret, maybe you don't always have to be the one to bring it up on camera. Right. Maybe someone else can, like, how don't you let someone else bring it up? And then you can like say. Right. Because we see at the end of the episode at the guy's night, I don't know, you know, who's whispering in their ear or anything. But it comes up there too. and it's like, oh, where'd you hear this from?

And Frank Catania says, Anon, which is just like... It's Margaret. I'm like, Frank, have you been reading Des Mois? Anon, please. Anon. I mean, this is... It's interesting. This is definitely the more serious, obviously, allegation.

Like, the video is, like, weird, but, like, who... Like, you know what I mean? It might just be, like, kind of an embarrassing... Right. It's questionable, but it's not really jarring. This is like a... This is like more serious and more potentially dangerous of if it's fake of a false allegation or if it's real of like something that someone should definitely know.

So I mean, I almost now it's kind of like it feels like with Margaret, I agree where it's like it feels like it feels like she's like trying to stir the pot here. And it does kind of feel like her plot this season, I guess. And also saying something to Jennifer. It's like sort of starting shit. But I don't know. this one I wish they would fully go into because this is the more important one to me. Right. And they're talking to Joe about it. And they're like, aren't you, aren't you worried for your sister? And it's like, I mean, yeah, he probably, like, maybe he should be. If there's any truth to this, then that is the kind of thing that is very worrying that this is who your sister is living with, going to marry, spending the rest of her life with. And I think. it's hard because I don't know how else we would bring it up on the show,

but for it to be kind of like a gossipy thing, then almost makes it hard to take seriously in that way. Right. And it's hard to imagine Teresa really unpacking it with any sort of openness. If it's presented to her as like, well, Margaret started a rumor. Margaret was talking about it. and it was going around that somebody was saying Louis smacked around his ex. That's not going to be what would make Teresa actually grapple with the severity of that information.

It would have to be, again, I think it would have to be her daughters. Her daughters that brought it up to her for her to take it seriously because I think anyone else on the show, she would be extremely, she would just deny or be extremely defensive or get mad at them for bringing it up in the first place. Yeah. It would have to be someone that she, whose opinion she respects, which at this point really actually only seems like her kids. Maybe like Adriana's dance teacher. We've never met.

So yeah, it'll be like the focal point of the recital. Yeah. No, but Guy's Night obviously goes left when Bill arrives and there's been tension between Bill and Joe Gorga. And then that kind of transitions into an issue between Evan and Bill. And I mean, I do think Evan has a point when Bill is like, well, my wife never snooped around on anyone. And Evan's like, hi, hello. Wrong choice of words because they're not true. I mean.

Yeah. And then I think I understand though why Bill got really upset when Evan basically was like, I dare you to hear this information and still say that your wife is a good person. It's like, I mean. Yeah, that's to be a tough spot. What is he going to say to that? Okay, yeah, my wife's bad person. Yeah, my wife's evil. I'm going to go home to my kids.

I mean, good and bad person is also like, it's not like that binary. Like you can be a good person and you can be a good person and do bad things. Or you can be a bad person and do good things. So I think like the more mature way to like handle that conversation would be like on both sides of like here's, you know, here's what's going on like this was upsetting. It was upsetting for me as my, which is what Joe Gorga said in his confessional. like it was upsetting to me that we're friends and that you let your wife called me a crook and you didn't really seem to mind or you didn't really seem to say anything. I mean, the theme of Bill this season is that he just does not stand up for anyone really. He doesn't stand up for his friends and

he doesn't stand up for his wife. He just kind of wants to like, he wants to fully opt out of any drama and that's not really possible. Right. I saw someone online was kind of frustrated that they said the other guys were ganging up on Bill and they didn't think that was fair. But to me, it's not so much that they're ganging up on him, it's that everyone else just sort of seems to be on the same page. And when their wives have disagreements or maybe aren't getting along, they either can talk about that and kind of move past it, or they just say that doesn't really involve us.

We're going to just do our own thing with the guys. And it kind of feels like Bill hasn't really bought into that sort of arrangement that the rest of them have with each other that seems to be. be working. And I suspect that's probably because I don't think he's really friends with them outside of the show the way that the rest of them actually like hanging out. I mean, here's the thing with Bill. If you really look at it this season, he, he is kind of the villain this season, but he doesn't, he is likable. So it's kind of like and he's not, but he's, if you think about it, he's the one who's really doing all the like bad things. Like he cheated on

Jennifer. He won't fully address it really on the show. he won't stand up for Jennifer. He won't stand up for his friends. Like he's like almost like a villain by inaction to me. And I like him. I like his like vibe. But I also think that he's got to like make a move. Like he can't go through the season just making no moves and expect him to be,

expect himself to be fine. Am I the drama? It's Bill. Yeah. And that that's why I'm sort of, I'm sort of excited that Jennifer is kind of coming to terms with the fact that she needs to address her issues with Bill and not just with the other

women in the group because I think that first of all I think that will benefit her emotional journey but also I think it will benefit us as viewers of the show because I do think that's something that needs to be addressed. I totally agree.

This was a great cliffhanger. I really want to know what's... I mean, only Jersey brings them like the men's drama and I'm always like I'm here for it because it's like it has a it is a different vibe than the woman's drama right and I realized when bill stormed off and we got the two be continued louis has not even yet arrived at this guy's night so the whole they were you know they're all talking is louis going to come we're talking about the rumor and louis not even there yet and already there's

catiness so yeah no I people people always have feelings about the men getting screen time and I don't like, look, I am entertained. I can't complain. Yeah. These men in particular, like, they can hold, they can hold their own. They don't need to be, like, in a room with, with their wives to, to entertain. They can entertain it. Like, I'm very into this dinner that they're having.

Exactly. And I can't wait to see the conclusion of it next week. Sadly, you will not be here to discuss it. But I'm excited to have you back in a few weeks because I'm sure we'll have lots of feelings about where the season is at that point. Yes. I'm so excited. We'll have so much to talk about.

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