Mention It All - The Beach Day From Hell (VPR)

Episode Date: April 27, 2023

Another week, another jaw-dropping episode of Vanderpump Rules. Dylan hits the mic solo to talk through a wild hour of television, featuring more Scandoval breadcrumbs, a Schwartz/Lala confrontation, ...and a bombshell from none other than Ken Todd. Is this… the best episode ever? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:28 Betches Media presents Ha ha ha laugh funny Mention It All A Bravo by Betches podcast We don't say that But now we said it With me, Dylan Hafer We're going to check me, though
Starting point is 00:00:42 Hey everyone Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast I am Dylan Hafer And I am so ready to be here today Solo for another Vanderpump Rules recap This might be one of the juiciest episodes Of Vanderpump Rules of all time I know that is a big statement
Starting point is 00:01:03 but when you flip back through the ages, through the years, when has there been a time where there was this much anticipation about a single episode or a single show, a single section of a season of a Bravo show? There have been big storylines before, but like we are careening towards something really historic happening this season. And I think they are doing such an excellent job,
Starting point is 00:01:32 the editors especially of peeling back the layers and showing us a little bit more every week and our spidey senses are tingling and I'm excited to get into all of it. But before I do, I wanted to just plug a little bit. I am going to be appearing next month with one of our recurring mentioned at all favorite guests, Sarah Galley. I am joining her for her Andy's Girls Live, a scand of all Sprits. We are going to be at the Green Room 42 in New York the day after the Vanderpumperl's season finale for a live show. There is also a live stream link. If you are not going to be in New York, you can watch the show online. But to get tickets, you can go to the Green Room 424.2.com or, you know, just search for it and you'll find it. But I would love to see you guys on May 18th. So if you are in New York, feel free to check that out and come out and see me.
Starting point is 00:02:28 We'll be talking about Vanderpump Rules. We'll be talking about Jersey. We'll be talking about lots of good stuff. But without further ado, we have lots of good stuff to talk about today. And that is, that is this, this Chef's Kiz episode of Vanderpump Rules. I just went to print out my notes before this recording because I like, as, you know, I'm of the internet age. I do things online. I do things on the computer. But when I record, I like to print out my notes if I'm in the office and then I have, you know, free printing. I printed out my notes just now. And when you're just typing on, I take my notes on, you know, the Notes app, you might say, on my Mac.
Starting point is 00:03:07 So you don't really see how much you're typing. It just kind of like all goes up into the note. I took three full single-spaced pages of notes about this episode. And there are some episodes of Bravo that I watch where I'm like, Yeah, yeah, I guess I'm taking notes. And then I finish the 43 minutes or so and have like six bullet points. This episode, there was so much to discuss. And thankfully, we barely even have to talk about Schwartz and Sandys.
Starting point is 00:03:41 We're not getting a full episode of, you know, them meeting with Greg and hearing about how they're not going to open on time. That's nice. This is all killer, no filler. we are, we're really, you know, firing on all cylinders, and I am so happy about it. We begin the episode the morning after Lala's birthday gathering where, of course, Raquel crashed a little bit, and she and Lala had a nice moment. So Lala heads over to Katie's new apartment. Katie's talking about making out with Satchell. I didn't really need to see that, but, you know, I'm glad Katie's getting some.
Starting point is 00:04:17 And Satchel, I mean, he's really getting a lot of screen time this episode. We'll circle back to that in a few minutes. But I like to see that Katie is feeling herself. She was a little nervous about, she said, debuting a relationship because she's not divorced yet. But, you know, I don't think anyone in that group, except with the exception of maybe Schwartz and, you know, Sandival being a prick. Everyone in that group is happy for Katie. They want her to get laid. They want her to be living her best life.
Starting point is 00:04:45 And if it's with a shaggy, curly-haired, 25-year-old, girl, do it. have fun, live your life, do what you got to do. So they get on to the topic of Raquel, can you imagine. And Katie with the Raquel and Schwartz thing, she's saying she can forgive people, but she doesn't want to feel like she has to sleep with one eye open or watch her back when she's around Raquel. And I think that's kind of, Katie, this episode is in the toughest spot with Raquel, because she still is really frustrated about the whole Schwartz thing. and even Lala now is sort of coming around on Raquel just a little bit.
Starting point is 00:05:23 She does say that Raquel being accused of being a mistress was the best birthday gift she could have asked for. But she does, you know, she acknowledges later in this episode that she doesn't think Raquel did anything wrong in Vegas when she was making out with Oliver and that she is, you know, she handled that situation well and that talking to her made a difference. So it's funny to see that Raquel is even now sort of wiggling her way back into the good graces of somebody like La La. We still see Sheena riding hard for her. We still see Ariana riding for her. We're getting down to the wire this season. And Raquel is still on good terms with almost everyone in the cast, which makes it, you know, just so much more anticipation for when it's all going to come crashing down. But we got to talk about this thing at the end.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Abbey, because the Sandoval and Raquel stuff, it's starting to percolate up to the surface more and more each week. And it's a tough look. So now Lala and Katie are talking about this. You know, because of course, Sandoval told Katie at the birthday party that it seemed like she was enjoying Raquel getting dragged online. And Katie responded that it seemed like Sandoval was enjoying Raquel at the Abbey. Honestly, a great comeback. I love that from Katie. I love when Katie is. you know, snappy and with it. But yeah, they're talking about it.
Starting point is 00:06:48 They say it's weird. They call back to Allie seeing them. And Katie in the confessional gives her two cents on Tom potentially cheating on Ariana. And she says, I don't want to say Tom would ever cheat on Ariana because I'd have to kill him. But she can't deny that it's a little strange that Sandoval and Raquel were out together alone. Because she's been friends with Sandoval for like a full decade plus at this point. point, and she's never gone out with him alone when he's been in a relationship. And also, it doesn't help that Raquel has, is on the record as saying that when she drinks too much,
Starting point is 00:07:24 she kind of has no control over what she does. She doesn't remember a lot of things that happen. And, you know, that's not a good foundation of trust to build upon. So, you know, put Katie down, put Katie and Lala down in the asking questions basket of the cast that is growing by the minute. From there, we get a scene of the Tom's at a food truck. Of course, they're talking about Raquel because, you know, what else would they have to talk about at this point? And the way that Sandoval is kind of doing this performance art improv bullshit in this second half of the season, when we know, based on the timeline that has come out since then, that he and Raquel were already doing something. and Schwartz is like, oh yeah, like, you know, Raquel's cool, but like I feel like I should be like more into her or whatever. And Sanofal's like, yeah, nah, nah, no, like, dude, she is dope.
Starting point is 00:08:25 And it's like, can you shut the fuck up? Schwartz is saying he has this gut feeling that Raquel really has a crush on someone else. And it's like, this is sociopathic levels of these two having this scene on camera, that is really must be fully constructed. People talk all the time about stuff on these shows being staged or being planned or being scripted or overproduced or whatever, but it's like this is fully Tom and Tom thinking that their fucking dream works over here, putting together this little improv scene moment where they're having this conversation
Starting point is 00:09:07 about Raquel being cool. and then they're pivoting it into, oh, and by the way, you know, Ariana, she kind of thinks, I don't want to be with someone who thinks I'm stupid or, you know, who doesn't reciprocate the nice things I do for her. Like, you know, I'll rub her feet or whatever. And then I don't know because she doesn't do that back. And now she wants me to, like, fertilize her eggs or some shit. And like, man, I like. Should we even be together? It is, it is really, it's maddening to watch because knowing that both of these idiots
Starting point is 00:09:52 think they're putting on this like masterpiece theater of pulling the wool over all of our eyes and having this, you know, planting the seeds of Ariana being a piece of shit. And planting the seeds of Raquel, you know, being this like, you know, Daisy Jones fucking blowing in the wind, girl, whoever, everybody wants to have a chance with. It's like, give me a fucking break. This is so stupid. It feels like it feels like the two dumbest people you know are trying to pull a con on you and you're just watching them like fumble the bag time and time again, but kind of we're playing along with it just to kind of see how stupid they can get. And in a couple weeks, it's going to come crashing down. I can't,
Starting point is 00:10:39 I can't wait. I can't wait. James was. on watch what happens live last night and he's, you know, he's in his like Taylor Swift reputation era. He's like, oh, well, you know, we're in an era of council culture, so you know, you do something outrageous. There's going to be outrage. Am I right? James still, I mean, this season, he's, he's on the right side of history. Not all the time, but a lot of the time. And it's, it's crazy. James and Ali have this scene. I'm suddenly very charmed by James and Allie together. Like, this is not where I thought this season was heading. But Ali's at home, you know, studying her astrology. And James is like, oh, is Prita going into my Uranus. He's so stupid. God, he's so stupid. And I
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Starting point is 00:11:57 Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. that perfect hang on the patio sundress, those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture
Starting point is 00:12:19 when you tear open that envelope. It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. They're talking about this Raquel and Oliver situation, everything that's been going on. James doesn't buy that Raquel, Madame influencer, didn't do any digging on Oliver.
Starting point is 00:12:41 before they were hanging out or making out or hooking up or whatever. I don't know about that. I feel like, you know, the fact that he's Garcell's son and that he works for Lisa in Vegas, that's like a decent amount of info right there. And I do think, yes, Raquel is a child of the social media generation. But at the same time, she also is a clout chaser. And I think that knowing she was going to hook up with Garcell's son, that in and of itself might be enough star power adjacency to get Raquel like a little turned on. So I'm not sure that she would do a lot of digging about the situation with his, you know, wife separated allegedly, whatever.
Starting point is 00:13:32 Maybe. But also it's like, I think she knew who he was when they were in Vegas and she thought it would be kind of a good, little storyline chance. Also, depending on the exact timeline, maybe there was already something going on with Sandoval and the Oliver thing seemed like a good misdirect. We already saw this whole rigmar roll with Schwartz that we know was part of some cover-up. Like the Oliver thing could play into that. Any other kind of love interest that she has this season suddenly seems a little bit suss when you know that there was this relationship going on beneath the surface. But anyway, Ali is stuck with this burden of having seen Raquel and Sandoval dancing at the Abbey.
Starting point is 00:14:12 You know, I'm glad that she brought this to the surface, but I also don't envy the position that she's in now because, of course, she now has to decide kind of how to handle this. She already told the women, and then she saw Katie talking to Sandoval at Lala's birthday. So she's kind of stressed about this, that Katie probably told, you know, made some comment to Sandoval about the Abbey thing. Ali tells James what Katie said about Sandoval and Ariana not having a lot of rules in their relationship. To me, this was a very nebulous comment that Katie made. Like, she wasn't accusing anyone of anything. She just was kind of like, you know, throwing it out there. James is like, yeah, I mean, it sounds like they've got an open relationship.
Starting point is 00:14:52 But, and I love this, James tells Ali that instead of bringing this to Ariana directly and, you know, delivering her the news, seeing what happens, she should talk to Sheena because A, Sheena is the closest to Ariana, so she'll know how to handle it. And B, Sheena fucking loves gossip, which, I mean, same, relatable. If I were ever on a show like this, I would be like, hey, if you ever have like a complicated discussion that you're not sure you want to bring up to the person right away, feel free to come to me first because I'll give you good advice, but also I just want the tea. like sheena has built a great reputation for herself of being a a tea a tea holder and i'm a little jealous uh we're all leading up to this beach day but first first we have a little sit down with lvp at something about her i love that this is like uh it feels like shark tank every time lisa is sitting down with uh katy and ariana or with tom and tom like lisa is the shark even if she's not going to invest in
Starting point is 00:15:59 your business. She's going to give you, you know, the tough love you need to hear. They're looking for investors. LVPs like, you know, every day, every day this place isn't open. You're, you're wasting money. And they're like, yeah, we, we know. We're seeing Tom and Tom literally like throw their savings down the drain right now. So we are, we're aware. And then Lisa pivots directly into, okay, what else, what else? Tell me about Lala's birthday. What happened? Lisa says she knows for a fact that Oliver and his wife are separated. Okay. Ariana says, she doesn't want the gavel to come down on Raquel for, you know, potentially getting into a sticky situation, which, you know, I don't disagree with. I think the Oliver situation, there are other
Starting point is 00:16:40 much worse things that Raquel has done. But Ariana riding for Raquel is just a painful example of dramatic irony that's going to come crashing down. Meanwhile, Katie is like, oh, no, no, no, she sucks. She's a ho. She's a ho. I mean, like, me too a little bit, but like, she's a ho. I do wish we could just get a little bit away from the the ho, whore, slut, whatever, like vibe on these shows. It's such a strong go-to for a lot of the cast members on Bravo shows, calling someone a whore, calling somebody a slut, calling somebody a skank or whatever. We got to do better than the slut shaming. Shame somebody for lots of other things.
Starting point is 00:17:25 The go-to insult doesn't need to be ho. at this point, according to Katie, Raquel's hooked up with like two people. We'll get there later. I don't know. James is soon to be opening for Cascade at a music festival in Atlanta. That's very cool for him. Genuinely, I think that's, I think he's doing great things.
Starting point is 00:17:46 DJ James Kennedy, we love it. Lala and him are talking. Lala, again, is shitting on Raquel, saying she's very robotic. James is kind of like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, we get it. You've said your piece on Raquel. maybe now we can just kind of like move on. James is planning a beach day and he specifically is inviting everyone, including Raquel, because he's used to not being invited to things and he doesn't want to make that into a thing. You know, he wants to be the one that's always inclusive, which is nice
Starting point is 00:18:14 of him, I guess. Sandival goes to get his quote, giz results. That's disturbing. The morphology of his sperm is only 6%, which could be tied to drinking and or wearing tight clothing. So that's going to be tough for him. But, you know, I don't know when he's going to be having kids anytime soon. Maybe him and Raquel will be having babies. I don't want to think about that. It's making me throw up in my mouth. Okay, the next thing we got to talk about. This little meeting with Sheena and Ali, Ali does her duty. She sets up a little sit down with Sheena. They're eating tacos. Ali makes the observation that in a normal friend group, when you break up with somebody, you might never see them again. Or you might see them extremely rarely, but you're not hanging out with them.
Starting point is 00:19:01 But in this friend group, it's full of exes. And everybody just has to hang out with their exes all the time. And it's weird. And, you know, Ali, again, proving that she is a normal person and not a lizard robot. And yes, she is correct. It is strange. Okay. So, Ali tells Sheena what she saw with Sandoval and Raquel dancing at the abbey. And then she also tells her about King's. Katie's comment that they have a no rules thing, whatever. And then she says that James made the open relationship comment. This is important because, you know, put a pin in that for later. Katie said no rules.
Starting point is 00:19:42 James said open relationship. Sheena is like thrown off by this whole thing. She doesn't believe that there's a no rules thing. It's disgusting that Katie would put that out there. Okay. Sheena is going to be like, if it's related to Katie at this point, Gina is going to have an outsized reaction. She's going to be like, oh, my God, that is absolutely sickening that she would even
Starting point is 00:20:04 think something like that, let alone say it. That's crazy. Also, I would have no issue with Brock being out with Raquel at 2 a.m. I would be dancing with Sandoval at the Abbey at 2am. Sanneval and Brock are like Raquel's brothers. Like, I don't even know what you're talking about. That would never, ever, ever be a thing. Like, oh, sweet Shishu, I get that you want to be a good friend.
Starting point is 00:20:26 and at the time you felt like Raquel needed you to have her back but like she looks like a fool guys she looks like a fool Sheena Sheena I get if you trust Brock
Starting point is 00:20:43 that's great If you and Brock are in a great place Do you Summer Moon just turned two She's the cutest kid in the world They have a good thing going They just got married Respectfully
Starting point is 00:20:56 Sheena and Brock are different than Tom and Ariana. And whatever rules they do or don't or didn't have, Tom Sandoval is a fucking dog. The fact that Shina, if Shina really believed that Sandoval saw Raquel, like a little sister, first of all, ew.
Starting point is 00:21:19 Second of all, I, even if I, even before this news broke, and I wouldn't have thought that Sandoval would have an affair with Raquel, I still would have said, yeah, he's like a horn dog who maybe is going to get himself in a sticky situation. I don't know. I think Sheena's being a little willfully ignorant. I think she's going to, I think she's going to be eating a lot of crow. But, you know, she vows to tell Sandoval about everything that's been said, which, you know, is only a matter of time. And if somebody's going to do it, she can be the bone carrier. She does it well.
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Starting point is 00:22:58 This takes up the rest of the episode because we're at the beach and then we're at this bar and it's a full disaster the whole time. Katie brings satchel, Lala brings the dawn. Both of them are brave and they're about to be, you know, they're about to live through World War III here at Hermosa Beach. More power to them. Schwartz is like mad because the dogs have been in the bed with somebody else. Get a grip.
Starting point is 00:23:22 If you can't be, if Katie can't be mad about you making out with Raquel, you can't be mad about your dogs meeting another man. Sorry, that's not how that works. Everybody's like, too much boundaries. Katie doesn't get a say. And it's like, okay, Schwartz looks like an asshole too. So whatever. Sheena is like, I'm just going to get a little sun before my laser appointment.
Starting point is 00:23:44 Sandoval, can you come over here? She brings up what Katie said and that Raquel is going after Sandoval maybe. And Tom, of course, gets mad, like overly mad about all this hatred toward Raquel. Like, Raquel's a great girl. Like, why is everybody so mad at her? Sanibal is, like, so bad at concealing his true feelings about things because, you know, he's telling the confessional straight up, you know, that nothing has ever happened between him and Raquel. And then he literally, like, is having a full, like, mental breakdown every time somebody says something negative about her. Like, babe, why are you that invested if nothing is happening?
Starting point is 00:24:28 He also specifically highlights that the abbey is like a place of comfort for them and they know everyone there. So why would he bring like a secret fucking rendezvous to the abbey, which now, of course, he looks even worse because we know that that's a lie. And then crucially, what I put a pin in before, Sheena suggests that Katie was the one who may have said open relationship, which, as we know, Katie. made a more general broad, vague comment about not having a lot of rules or having leashes or whatever. James is the one who said, well, that sounds like an open relationship. Maybe we're splitting hairs here, but I still think that Sheena in a way sort of put open relationship in Katie's mouth. And I think that set off Sandoval in a way that maybe, look, I don't know if Sandoval is having rational, nuanced thoughts here.
Starting point is 00:25:29 But I think if he knew that Katie's comment was a little more general, maybe he would have taken it differently. Maybe not. But anyway, Schwartz then asks, James is bringing up the festival that he's performing at.
Starting point is 00:25:44 James asks, Schwartz asks if it's bigger than Rochella. James freaks out, says, why would you bring up the darkest time of my life when I'm about to have the happiest time of my life and I'm so successful? He calls Tom a demented piece of shit.
Starting point is 00:26:00 Tom is like, no, no, no, I'm hyped for you. James is like, you're not hyped for me, bro. You make these stupid jokes on the side. Take a look at your own life. You still haven't opened up your shithole bar at the corner of Silver Lake Poophole Village. Oh my God, James really has way with words. He throws his drink at Schwartz.
Starting point is 00:26:20 Okay. It was rewarding for me to hear someone in the cast make this comment about the location of Schwartz and Sandy. because I believe on last week's Vanderpump Rules Recap episode, I was discussing the geography of Schwartz and Sandys and how it doesn't make sense to me as a financial
Starting point is 00:26:38 decision because it is not close to any of the other Van der Pump establishments. It's not in an area where a lot of people are just hanging out, looking for something to do. It's in a literal fucking strip mall. And I am pleased to
Starting point is 00:26:54 hear that James also seems to agree that the corner of Silver Lake and Poophole Village maybe isn't where you want to be setting up shop. And it's also interesting to me that now this episode coming out, we see Lala and James both having sort of strong feelings about the fact that they haven't been able to get Schwartz and Sandys off the ground yet, that I think there's always been in this group
Starting point is 00:27:20 a little bit more of a sense of respect of people working on their businesses and getting things going, and everybody on this show, for the most part, comes from somewhat humble beginnings. And, you know, when they started this show, they were, like, struggling models and actors working at a restaurant. And so the fact that they're owning businesses and having employees and selling products and all of this stuff, they've all come a long way. But Schwartz and Sandy's, in particular, seems like sort of this white whale of a thing that is becoming a little bit of a money pit. and like, whatever, I can't say it's not a little entertaining to watch Lala and James throw this in their faces as they are, as these relationships are deteriorating.
Starting point is 00:28:05 But after Schwartz gets the drink thrown in his face, he says that if James ever does that again, he'll put him in a headlock. I don't, I don't think Schwartz really has, like, a lot of fight in him. I feel like, maybe he's bigger than James, but he's not, like, I don't think he's, like, stronger than James. And James is definitely scrappy in a way that I don't think, that I don't think Schwartz is. I don't know. Let me know in a five-star review whether you think Schwartz or James would win in a fight. This is now all I can think about. Anyway, Ali is mad that James freaked out about Tom making out with the Raquel again when he says he's completely over her. That's a separate issue.
Starting point is 00:28:45 They can work that out on their own. Lala brings up Tom Sandoval bumping Pee-Ps with Ariana when he was still with Kristen. I don't even know. Like some of this stuff, I'm like, how do we get here? What are we talking about? What's going on? It's a lot. It's a lot. But anyway, everybody ends up relocating to a bar to get drinks where, you know, part two of this whole battle happens. Because first, James and Schwartz are having another confrontation. Schwartz claims that he is a nice guy, but he can be callous sometimes, like the joke he made about Rochella. I don't know if I agree with that. I agree that he, I would, my assessment more is that Schwartz comes across like a nice guy,
Starting point is 00:29:31 but maybe the callousness is the real core of that. And that's what we see when Lala and Schwartz start to get into it. Because Lala, of course, is not only peeved about Schwartz making out with Raquel, but she's still mad about earlier in the season, if you recall, Schwartz hanging out with Randall when she had specifically asked everyone in the group not to be buddies with Randall right now because they're going through this whole thing. There's legal stuff. It's a whole headache. She needs the support. She needs the loyalty, frankly. And Schwartz kind of, you know, threw that away too, just like Katie asked for the boundary of not hooking up with other people in the friend group. So it is kind of interesting to think about it that way that Schwartz kind of has this. pattern of behavior that is dismissive of sincere emotional desires and requests stated by women that he claims to care about or, you know, is in a group with, but clearly he doesn't really give a shit. He doesn't think that much about his actions. He's like, oh, well, I wanted to play
Starting point is 00:30:44 pickleball. It's like, do you know how many people in this country play pickleball? Every day I'm looking at my Instagram stories. It's pickleball. Pickleball. Pickle ball. Pickle ball. Brunch. Pickle ball. Go play somewhere else. Find somebody else. There's pickleball courts. Tennis courts are being turned into pickleball courts left and right. If Schwartz can't find somebody else to play pickleball with, that's his problem, not Randalls. Lala says that she thinks talking to Schwartz is like talking to a farm animal. He then calls her corny, tries to drag her for having plastic surgery and work done on her face. He says, give them Lala, who the fuck is Lala.
Starting point is 00:31:23 She comes for him for not having a successful business. He tries to drag her business. She says, you know, that's how I pay for my daughter. That's how I pay for my life. So how dare you ever come for that? Look, did they both say things about each other that were less than nice? Sure. It's a fight.
Starting point is 00:31:40 It's an argument. That's what we do. But when Lala is saying it, it's talking to you is like talking to a farm animal. Okay, not that nice. The business thing. Not that nice, but again, we're all watching week after week after week after these guys buffoon their way through the experience of trying to open a bar while they're hemorrhaging cash and can't get it off the ground. That's a real thing to come for. Dragging her for her plastic surgery, that's not necessary.
Starting point is 00:32:08 That's below the belt. Dragging her for this business that she has that she uses the money from to support her child. That's just like it's not a winning strategy. And the way that Schwartz goes after Lala to me reveals something that we've seen flashes of before with him that there's below the surface, this core of nastiness and really just like darkness and I think disrespect for women. I think that's something we've seen with him with Katie. There were all these times when it was just like he would basically shut down and just not listen to her and just be really kind of awful. And I think we see that coming out again with Lala this episode. and I was not necessarily expecting to see it in that situation.
Starting point is 00:32:52 But Lala then takes the chance to reiterate that she doesn't think Raquel did anything wrong in Vegas, which Raquel then brings up Katie calling her a whore. Katie says that she gave Raquel a chance to prove that she wasn't that person. And by making out with Schwartz at the wedding, she basically blew up that chance, which Sandoval here is. And it's like, oh, so Katie, we got to prove ourselves to you now, huh? You know, Ariana is not very happy about the thing you said. And Katie's like, wait, what, what thing did I say?
Starting point is 00:33:26 She barely even remembers. Ali is like, so Ali then says that Katie said, what Katie really said about Sandoval and Raquel is that if it wasn't public knowledge, something that was happening, Tom and Ariana might not care about it. So basically the implication there is that they have some kind of. agreement or some, you know, rules or arrangement or whatever, but that they don't want it to be public. Katie says she doesn't remember saying that, says that what she really meant is that Tom and Ariana don't have leashes. Again, all of these words mean different versions of the same thing, so I don't really know. But that if they do have some kind of open relationship, that Ariana definitely doesn't know about anything happening with Raquel. I think that is the crux of the question.
Starting point is 00:34:18 here because there's all this, you know, with Schwartz and Raquel making out, it's like, what's the boundaries, what's your loyalty, blah, blah, blah. Even if Tom and Ariana have some kind of open relationship, that doesn't mean that Ariana would have no feelings about Tom carrying on an affair with somebody who she was good friends with in secret. So that's going to be really interesting. Sanneval closes things out by saying, you shouldn't be with someone for who you want them to be.
Starting point is 00:34:51 You should be with them for who they are. Like, okay, so you're a piece of shit. So nobody should want to be with you? Okay. Case closed. Bye. Oh, wow. Much to consider.
Starting point is 00:35:07 Lots of drama. Next week's episode looks like a fucking firecracker. The little preview was great. And then Bravo posted the first seven minutes. half the group was out glamping, camping, I don't know, smashing pumpkins for Raquel's birthday. Meanwhile, we find out that the night of that beach day, when Ariana was out of town because her grandmother passed away, after that whole debacle that I just recapped, Raquel went back to Sandoval's house. They got in the jacuzzi, Schwartz was maybe there for a while, and Raquel spent the night. Babes, it's going to be tough to come back from, let me tell you.
Starting point is 00:35:49 I don't think there is any coming back from it, and nor should there be. I mean, get a grip. Get a fucking grip. Wow. Anyway, thank you everyone for listening. We'll be back next week with more episodes. Actually, we'll be back tomorrow talking Top Chef. So make sure you follow, subscribe to the show wherever you listen, so you don't miss a thing.
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