Mention It All - The Duchess of Deception & The Clown of Comparison Ft. Parvati Shallow (VPR)

Episode Date: February 21, 2024

On today’s episode, Dylan chats with the iconic Parvati Shallow about all things Traitors, and why she finally said yes to doing a show other than Survivor. Earlier in the episode, Dylan recaps his night seeing Ariana Madix on Broadway, and then turns his attention to Tom Sandoval’s shocking New York Times profile. Then, he shares some thoughts on this week’s Vanderpump Rules. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. It's Wednesday, which means, of course, we're talking about Vanderpump Rules. But it's a very special episode because we're not only talking about Vanderpump Rules. I also had the great pleasure of sitting down with Parvety Shallow virtually, but like we, I think we were both still sitting. to talk about this season of the traitors, some of her past experiences on Survivor. I, look, the entire time I was starting to Parvety,

was basically just me trying not to tell her that I've been like low-key obsessed with her since I was maybe 11 years old. So we had a good time. It was a pleasure. So that'll be coming up later in the episode. So stick around for that if you are loving the traders this season as much as I am.

But before that, we're going to talk about Vanderpump Rules. And before that, I got to talk about I went and saw Chicago on Broadway last night with one Ariana Maddox playing the role of RoxyHeart. And you guys, it was really good. Okay. So I have seen, this was my fourth time seeing Chicago on Broadway, which if that sounds like a lot, it feels like a lot.

So I, the last time I saw Chicago was approximately two years ago with Pays. Pamela Anderson as Roxy Hart. So I made a decision to see Pam Anderson's opening performance of Chicago, which in hindsight was perhaps not the best decision. Because look, if you have somebody who has never done a Broadway show before, never even really done theater before, and they're doing this starring role, and it's this big thing, and it's something new, and it's their first night, it's like, yeah, they're going to be like a little, a little nervous, a little, you know, maybe still like getting their bearings about them.

And I've got to say, the Pamela Anderson, it just, it wasn't great. It didn't work for me. And if you saw her and you loved her, I support that too. But so after I said, that was my third time seeing Chicago. I have also seen Erica Jane in the role of Roxyheart. And then I also saw Chicago once like six years ago. And Cuba Gooding Jr. was playing Billy Flynn. And it sounded like he had like a large.

frog in his throat the entire time. Or maybe like a bronchitis situation. I don't know. I mean, the show must go on, but probably he shouldn't have. It was tough. But so, yes, after I saw Pamela Anderson in Chicago three years ago, two years ago, I was kind of like, okay, three times, three different, you know, celebrity Chicago casting experiences, I'm probably good. I think I'm good. I think I'm okay. And there have been since then a couple of of casting choices that that kind of made me be like, oh, should I? I don't know. It sounds could be really good. I don't know if I need to. And, you know, Jinks Monsoon was in Chicago. I heard Jinks was very good. Angelica Ross from Pose was in Chicago. I heard she was very good.

Like, I've, I've thought about it. But when, you know, when Ariana Maddox is going to Chicago, it's like, okay, we got to go. So I was very lucky. I was able to work with the social team and get nicer tickets that I would have paid for myself. But it was so good. And obviously, you've heard me speaking about Cuba Gooding Jr. and Pamela Anderson in the last two minutes. So you know that I'm not, like, averse to saying anything slightly critical. But I was expecting Ariana to be, like, pretty good.

Better than Pamela Anderson, I, you know, the bar was on the floor, respectfully. But I, you know, when somebody comes into a show, obviously, they're working with a cast of Broadway professionals and it's Ariana's first time doing something like that and I was kind of like, okay, like, you know, I, yeah, like, let's, let's hope she holds her own. And she really, really impressed me in a way that I just like wasn't kind of thinking about. And the role of Roxy is interesting because it's, it is like a main role in the show. You're doing a lot, but it's so, the dancing is important. There are like specific, you know, sequences and numbers where the dancing is like very iconic, very specific, very precise, that Fosse choreography.

Like, you just have to, you have to hit kind of every movement. And if you don't, it really just kind of like, it doesn't like ruin it. Like, I don't want to be like, oh, the show's ruined because one person did one step, you know, too high. But it's really important. And then, of course, you have to sing, you know, there is singing. it's not like, it's not Alphabah and Wicked, but like you can't not sing. But the acting is really important too. It's one of those roles where it almost is surprising that it's such a,

that they put so many celebrities and things like that with, without a lot of theater experience into that role because you have to do a lot of different stuff. And Ariana really checked all the boxes for me. We were sitting close enough that I could, I was getting all of her facial expressions. You know, I was seeing everything that she was doing and she really was locked into the character. She seemed extremely comfortable on stage. And that was actually the thing about Pamela Anderson that was the toughest. And like I said, probably shouldn't have gone to her first night was that it just she seemed tentative.

And like she didn't feel like at home on stage and like Ariana just was like owning it and the choreography. And this I think is probably one of the key pieces is that she went into this show essentially right after finishing dancing with the stars. when she was on the podcast back in December, it was like the week of the Dancing with the Stars finale and the Chicago casting news had just been announced. And then she was in the show within a couple months. And you can tell that that training, the dancing training, paid off because she looked so comfortable, so at home in her body, so precise, so sure of herself with all of the movements, with all of the choreography. And fun fact, the woman who's playing Velma in Chicago right now, her name is Amrafei, right? She was the same Velma that did Chicago with Erica Jane four years ago.

She has been doing this role for over 20 years. This woman, look her up. She was doing this in the 2000s. She's been in and out. She'll do, you know, like two months here, two months there. She's done it internationally. She's done it everywhere. She's from South Africa.

Like, what a fucking legend. That you find like one Broadway role and you just kind of like pop in whenever for two full decades. But like that's who Ariana is like keeping up with. And you know, she did a good job. I didn't really talk about Erica. Erica was also good as Roxy. I think Ariana I think like was a little bit better in like a technical sense. I think her voice is stronger.

I think her her dancing was a little bit strong. younger. Erica had like a great presence. She, you know, she did a good job. Those are like the two, you know, best Chicago, you know, celebrity performances I've seen. But overall, it was just, it was a nice time. There were, okay, if you've seen Chicago, the movie, the musical, whatever, what is like the youngest kid that you think you would bring to see this show? Like, 12, 13, maybe, me? Maybe, I don't know. In the row behind me at Chicago last night, there were like seven, eight-year-olds.

These, like, elementary school-ass girls who, before the show, okay, it's one of those things when, like, one or two parents bring, like, a bunch of people's kids to see Chicago. So it's not like they were fully unsupervised. But it's the kind of thing where there's, like, the adults are sitting on one end together because they like want to be able to gossip and like not be miserable. But then like all the kids are just sitting in a row with like no actual like direct supervision. The crinkling of the candy wrappers. The talking, the full talking, not whispering.

Not even like a stage whisper. Like this girl is really, do you have any more sour patch kids? In the middle of the fucking cell block tango. I'm like, can you not? Like I don't want. want to be, you know, Bethany Frankel and yell at someone's kids at the beach. You know, shout out to that Sunny Houston feud if you, the real ones, no. But like, why are eight-year-olds at a show that is literally about murder and sex and more murder?

Go see Lion King. I'm sorry. This is like the boomeriest rant I've ever gone on. Like, I truly sound like I'm 100 years old right now. But, like, am I wrong? I don't know. Don't answer. Don't answer unless the answer is no, that I'm not wrong. But anyway, that was Chicago. Ariana is in it through April 7th. I would really recommend if you are in New York City or able to be in New York City and you are thinking about it, go ahead. Come see Chicago.

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And specifically this profile of Tom Sandball that was in the New York Times yesterday. And more specifically than that, the quote that Tom Sandival gave, I'll just, I'll just read it. You've probably seen it, but I'll just read it. Quote, I witnessed the O.J. Simpson thing and George Floyd and all these big things, which is really weird to compare Scandival to that, I think. But do you think in a weird way, it's a little bit the same? Yeah, it's bad. It's bad for him. So I post. I posted this on Bravo Bebatchez yesterday. I saw this quote.

I was like, I think this is kind of, I think this is something. So I posted it. And within maybe 10 minutes, Katie Maloney pops up into the comments. Just the fuck. And then she comments again and says, hey, Tom Schwartz, you want to come explain what he was really trying to say. This comment has over 9,000 likes. Tom Schwartz did not come explain what Tom Sandval was really trying to say.

We also got Dr. Nicole in the comment saying, WTF. Gertie in the comment saying the disrespect and on Black History Month, wow, just please. Also, Jordan from Summerhouse Martha's Vineyard. This one is great. Comparing slinging Dick to a black man being murdered in front of our eyes during Black History Month is something I just don't have words for. Kristen Doty said, what the fuck? This got bad. This is something that I think if you read the full profile, which I would recommend, it's a fascinating. hilarious read because you can tell that Tom is just like absolutely, you know, grasping at straws in the dark right now in terms of like how to move forward and, you know, live life as a public figure. But if you, this profile, the interview that he said this in happened quote, late last year. So this was, you know, at least a couple months ago. Tom clearly is somebody who is very comfortable just kind of saying whatever, even with a tape recorder on and a New York Times reporter in the room. But this is, I mean, this obviously was not something that he probably even remembered saying and thought was going to be an issue.

But people had a lot of thoughts. You just like, you can't compare your cheating scandal to the Black Lives Matter movement. It just, it's not, it's not like a, it's not a great like one-to-one comparison. And I would say, there's just like slight differences, you know, subtle, subtle differences if you are, if you're able to unpack that. But Tom did post on his Instagram story last night. My intentions behind the comments I made in New York Times Magazine were to explain the level of national media attention. My affair received. The comparison was inappropriate and ignorant.

I'm incredibly sorry and embarrassed. I mean, like, yeah. It is what it is. I'm really curious to see, though, there were in the wake of this comment specifically going viral. He also compared himself to Danny Masterson, who, if you are out of the loop, is now a convicted rapist. And he said Tom felt like he got more hate than Danny Masterson did. And I'm like, okay, like, first of all, like, did you? But also, like, you're actively on a reality.

TV show. Like, I haven't thought about Danny Masterson, like, ever in my life. But whatever. That's neither here nor there. But people started bringing up this, this kind of, like, call for Bravo to take action against Tom Sandoval after he made this comparison. I mean, lest we forget, Vanderpump Rules has had its fair share of issues with cast members doing and saying insensitive, problematic things.

And I'm like, all of a sudden it's like, wait. would they actually fire him for this? I mean, I definitely think he should get a talking to. I don't know. It's weird because it's like we're still so early into this season. Like the episode that we're talking about today is episode four. Like it feels like barely anything has happened yet. But then at the same time, it's like, I don't know if I need more of Tom Sandival.

So if he got fired, I wouldn't be like. oh, but what is the show going to do now? It's a strange position. I mean, they're not going to be filming their reunion for like two months. So it's a little bit questionable, but I don't know. I mean, Tom truly just like, shut up, go away, get your shit together. Don't hire a 23-year-old who's a Vanderpump Rules fan to be your crisis publicist. That's probably the, that's one of the most entertaining parts of this New York Times.

Times profile is the fact that while they're having this like objectively disastrous interview, there's this 23-year-old girl just sitting at the table being like, wow, that sounds crazy. And she's supposed to be like his Olivia Pope. Tough times. Tough times over at Shea Sandoval. But yeah, like I said, go read that profile. Vanderpump Rules this week was really not that exciting. I mean, Lisa's, you know, sort of like,

carrying the baton from last week where now she's telling Sheena and Lala that they need to go easy on Sandoval because he told her he was depressed and it's like, yeah, I get it. I mean, this is how you move the story forward. This is how Lisa stays relevant within the context of the show. I get it. At the same time, though, it's like, I don't know. Like, I don't, why would Lala want to be friends with Tom Sandoval? Why? It's like, I understand Sheena. I think Sheena makes. the most sense as like kind of the possible like bridge back to somewhere. That's like, why Lala? I don't know. I just want to see Lala and James like talk about how they're like, you know, twin flames or whatever. Like seeing Lala and James. I'm not even like a Lala and James shipper per se.

Like there are people who think that Lala and James are soulmates and I respect that opinion. Right now I like Allie too much to want like anything bad to happen to her. But I just seeing them like on. on a good page together. I'm like, that's, that's nice. That's what I want. That's what I really want to see.

The scene, though, that was the toughest for me to watch was Tom Sandoval and Billy Lee going to this cold plunge place and watching Tom sink down into this freezing cold water and have a reaction that is like truly made me so uncomfortable, made me want to crawl out of my body. Like, what is going on? What is going on here? What are we watching? Billy Lee.

Really? I feel like every week so far of this season, I've talked about Tom's sort of like peripheral relationships that now we are sort of, you know, forced to care about because nobody else will film with him. But really, like, we've got to be done. We've got to be done with these like one-on-one scenes. I don't mind if they're in the group or whatever, but like, Tom telling Billy Lee that it's always the people that are closest to you that seem to hurt you the most. It's like, that was you.

You were the one that was closest to them that hurt them the most. Don't try and flip this around. It was you. You're the reason. And like, that's the missing, that seems to be the missing piece here that it's like, Tom is so focused. Both, you know, they were filming this in June, I think. And then this New York Times profile happened, like, toward the end of the year. And still, after that, like six months had elapsed.

He doesn't seem to be able to to really, really, really grapple with the fact that, like, you did this to yourself. There is no one else to blame. And you don't have to agree with the way that everyone has handled it. You don't have to, you know, like the fact that people hate you. But like, at the very least, just like full stop acknowledge that it's like I single-handedly, you know, with Raquel. But like single-handedly created this whole scenario. I mean, that's not even to mention the fact that he says he's saving himself for Raquel. Oh, like, that was one interesting part of the New York Times pieces.

He says that Raquel, like, stopped returning his calls at a certain point. And then it just was over. And then he tried reaching out through her publicist to get a hold of her. And she didn't get back to him. And it's like, my guy, it was never going to happen. And right now, you know, at the point they are in filming, he's like, yeah, you know, like, I'm not dating other people because Raquel's going to. come back and then like hopefully we'll be together and it's like sir it must stop we can't keep

doing this i don't want to hear about you're saving yourself for vichelle it's oh i don't know but we're headed to tahoe everybody's going to be there oh we'll see we'll see what happens i i'm hoping i'm hoping that this trip kind of like jump starts the the juice on the season i thought the first couple episodes were pretty good. I thought this week was kind of a low point of the season so far. But like I said, it's only been four episodes. We've got time. We've got time.

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Hey, everyone. Welcome back. I am now joined by the newly coined Duchess of Deception, Parvety Shallow. Hey, Parvety, how are you? Hi, Dylan. I'm doing great. I'm also the mistress of murder, lest you forget. What is it like on traitors?

there are so many moments where watching it, I just don't even know how you would keep a straight face. Everything that Alan says, everything that Fadra says, what is it like being in that environment? I mean, you saw my face. I did not keep a straight face for the most of the time. My face looked crazy. I was squinting and gasping and gawking constantly.

What's the difference like in the vibe as a player on traitors versus survivor, like, does it feel more serious when you're like in an island in the middle of the ocean? Or is it really just kind of like, do you get wrapped up in it wherever you are? Survivor is fully immersive. So that's where there's like no break. So for the game, for me, my mindset is in that game and it's locked in the game and this is a game and a hundred percent I'm there as a chess piece playing the game. Traders is a bit more campy, theatrical, dramatic, they're getting these beautiful shots of our boots walking into breakfast or like our hands are walking with the lantern, you know? So the element of traders that makes

it a bit easier to pull back and see that, oh, I'm doing a show and I'm also playing a game. There's a little bit of a distance and detachment for me when I played that, didn't exist per survivor. I'm curious. So you obviously are a prolific survivor player. You've been there longer days than almost anyone else who's played. But over the years, you have not done a lot of other competition shows. You've not kind of been saying yes to anything.

I'm wondering with traders, what was it about this opportunity that got you to go to Scotland and do the show? I love playing murder mystery games. I love Knives Out. I love Clue. I love Alan Cumming. I was a big fan of Romeo and Michelle's high school reunion. And he is epic in that movie.

And I said, well, okay, you guys are going to do this in Scotland. It's basically like a murder mystery game. And I get to wear these fun outfits and hang out with Alan coming. I just thought if I'm going to put myself back into a game environment where it's psychological and emotionally intense, then I want it to be something that also has this element of fun and theatrics about it so that I don't have to take it so seriously. So the fans don't take it so seriously. Like Survivor fans are so serious about the game.

And it seems that they have a difficult time pulling apart a person's gameplay from their person at personhood. Like with traders, I was thinking, okay, this is a game. I can embrace a role. I can dress in costume and I can play a villain or I can play a hero. I can play an archetype. And it doesn't necessarily have to reflect on who I am as a person. So I really liked that.

Yeah, totally. I think it's so interesting, too, the way they create this mix with the cast, you have housewives and people who are used to doing these sort of unstructured shows. about their lives. And then you have, you know, Big Brother, Survivor, these game players. And it's so interesting to see the mash up together. And I thought, you know, that was kind of on display with you and Fadra throughout your whole time on the show. Like, the way that you approach it seemed so different. What was that like? Yeah, Fadra, she was really good at the deceptive aspect of it, like playing the part constantly of, like, not breaking character ever, of holding

the lie. And she wasn't really interested in the strategy aspect of the game. Like, who were we going to kill? She didn't care. Who are we going to banish? Whatever. She was just like, she, it was so interesting playing with her because I didn't know. She was kind of a wild card. I didn't really know where she stood until I said, mentioned the housewives at the round table. And then she came at me in the turret and I was like okay here's some realness from her about she's really loyal to the traders I didn't know she didn't really tell me that before I didn't take the oath with her and Dan and I didn't know how seriously she took it because she always seemed to be playing this character but I and it's really hard for me to to pull apart the character from the person with her

so for me I was like I'm coming in and I'm going over the top with my campy ideas and stuff in the turret and like really having fun embracing this kind of villainous role that I've been put in, but like fully aware that we're also like playing a game and trying to work the strategy angle. So yeah, it was really different having conversations with Dan than it was having conversations with Fajra. That's so interesting. Like when she gave you that kind of speech at the last turret night that you were out about being more lovable and the ice queen, it's funny because it's like for you, it's sort of

this performance that you've been doing. And she's like snap out of it. Well, yeah, she's like, I think she really has a good heart and has good intentions. And I do think she was trying to help me with like some coaching in the turret. And look, I was completely frozen after that, like around the sacrifice because I was like, we're going to have a banishment. It's going to be me. I'm getting myself ready. I'm like, okay, going to go head to head against Peter. And then the. the twist happens and now we're in a force and there's no banishment and it's like now we're meant to be vulnerable and pleading for our lives. And I was like, oh my God, my emotional,

like I can't take this. Like how was how I like I wasn't flexible enough at the time to shift out of defense, offense mode to now be vulnerable and pleading. So then when we get back to the bar after that, John actually mentioned that I was this, he was like, yeah, this. He was like, you're the strongest person I've ever known. Like, you never break. You don't show emotion. You're like the ice. You're like an ice princess.

You're like Margaret Thatcher, the Iron Maiden. And I was like, oh boy, this is not good. So I'm taking the feedback in real time, you know, like I'm not perfect. So then we get into the turret and fager repeats what John said. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. Like I realize I need to change tack. And then I was like, all right, the next day I'm going to grab. I'm going to be tender.

I'm going to try whatever I can do. But I do think it's a bit messed up to like to call out a woman for being the ice queen and not being lovable enough. It's like there's a little bit like you don't want to do that either because women are so conditioned to be pleasing and likable and soft and open art and emotional and connected. And that was how Fadra was playing and people adored her. but people weren't attacking her the way they were attacking me. They weren't accusing her constantly the way they were accusing me.

So if I was like being accused, being attacked and then being like, oh, it's fine and I love you and I'm great and we're all best friends. It would have looked psycho. Right. Like it's it's like being told to smile when somebody's like cat calling you. It's like, no, I'm not going to right now. I'm in a different mode. Exactly. I'm curious.

So you and Sandra. have been in this world together for like 15 years now. It really is crazy how long your history goes back. And obviously it's a complicated history. A lot has gone down on Survivor between you two. I feel like this show kind of was a new chapter, like turning over a new leaf in your relationship. Can you talk about your relationship with Sandra these days? Yeah, Sandra's funny. I mean, we just hung out together last week in New York when we did the press event for traders. we're good. I think we have the ability to understand who the other person is and be okay with that now. It's like, Sandra, she's very competitive. She wants to be the most beloved. And that's okay with me.

I think she's very funny and very lovable. She has this ability to be so direct and blunt and say something that, like, if I would say it to you, you would be like, that is the meanest thing. You're such a rude person. But when Sandra says it, you're like, that's just Sandra. Like, you know, some people can do that. So with her, I'm like, that's who she is. And like, she's funny. It's her personality. And I think we're both fine. We do have a mutual respect for one another as competitors in these kinds of games

because she and I have a very different strategy, very different personalities. But we both do well in these games. And there is no right or wrong. And there's no one that's better than the other necessarily. So I think that we both have that perspective now towards one another and relating with one another. That's like, I kind of like feel like she's got my back and I've got hers. And should we work together? Should we do another one of these shows?

It would be cool to actually work together and strategize together. Because we had similar ideas on traders. but we didn't talk about them. Like when she came in with the pool balls, I was like, I had this idea in my room last night. Like we were both thinking the same way. So it would be fun to be on the same team. Well, it's tough also because on Survivor,

you know, everybody gets dropped off on day one and you decide how to play the game. In traders, obviously you were, you know, chosen to be a traitor. And then all of us, that sort of shifts how you have to play the game. So even if you and Sandra had been like, like, you know, hanging out and talking strategy, you would have been lying to her the whole time. Whereas like, so it's tough because you don't quite have full, full decision how to treat it. No, that's, it made it really tricky.

It's like the faithfuls and traders can't really work together. They can protect each other, but they can't necessarily strategize together in an honest way. Like I could do in the turret with Dan and Fadra. So it was limiting for us. When it got down to those last couple days that you were there, obviously we're talking about that, the fire ceremony that really kind of you thought that was going to be your last night and then there wasn't a banishment. After Dan left, do you think there's anything that you could have done differently to preserve yourself in the game for longer? Or do you think kind of the writing was on the wall by then? I don't know.

It's so hard to say. It was hard for me to maintain my composure. Once Dan was banished because I felt so exposed and attacked by Peter especially and sort of his henchman, maybe if I would have murdered Peter rather than try to recruit him, I could have come up with some kind of lie saying like, why would I do that? It would make me look like that. I'm being framed. But Janelle just went through that saying she was being framed and she was a faithful and she got banished anyway. So I just think like, oh, like once I was exposed as a traitor, it's really hard to make any kind of move from there.

Right. Especially at that point in the game, people have decided what they think enough that, you know, saying I'm a faithful, I'm a faithful. You can only say it so many times. And then the more you say it, then people think you're lying even more. People think you're lying anyway. It's like it's crazy in this game. It's like, your eye twitches. You don't look me in the eye.

You walked away when I asked you a question or you didn't sit down. You're a liar. You're a traitor. It just looks like a witch hunt. And the momentum of the mob kind of gathers. And for me, as a trader, that was the best possible thing that could happen as long as they were looking at a different person. But when the mob was like coming to me, I was like, oh, I see what's been happening to all these other people who were vanished. Like, there's really not much you can do once that occurs.

Totally. I'm curious if you had made it past last week's episode, we saw Fadra choose to recruit Kate. Who would you have chosen if you had made it one more night in the castle? I also would have chosen Kate. I talked to Fadra before I left and I was like, we should recruit Kate if we get a chance to recruit someone because she is a question mark for people. I didn't know. John thought she might be a traitor. Peter thought she might be a traitor. So I was like, we should get her. because then maybe we can just get them to banish her before us. Plus also, I thought she would be fun in the turret. Yes, Kate brings an energy unlike anyone else to this show, and it's very funny. Yeah, she's just so, like, does not care and wants to kill people that she's annoyed by.

I'm curious, this show, because it's a mix of so many things, obviously Survivor is huge. There are lots of these. Every show has its own following, but traitors, because it combines so many things, watching, you know, I'm in the Bravo space for the most part and seeing the Housewives fans discovering people like you and Janelle and everybody from all these different shows. Do you feel like this, do you feel that energy that it's like a different kind of audience watching than anything you've done before? Yeah, it is. It's more of like a pop culture audience that's watching this show. And it's also my Survivor fans too.

So I think what's really cool about the way they've casted it this season is it is pulling all these different audiences and kind of galvanizing them and bringing them together. Sort of feels like hunger games in that way. Right. Yeah. It's wild to think also like the first couple times that you were on Survivor, social media was like not what it is at all. And so like that kind of just the experience of doing any show these last few years is so different than what it was back in the 2000s. Like the kind of feedback you're receiving in real time is, must be wild. Oh, it's the best.

And watching groups of gay men wearing headbands at their watch parties, I'm so delighted. Yeah. How did, how did you feel about Alan saying that the gays were rooting for Fadra and the queers were rooting for you? I could not be happier. I'm so delighted to be in this genre. Exactly. It's, uh, it's, it's, you know, important work that we're doing here.

Indeed. Parvita, I'm curious. So, I mean, I've watched you on TV for, you know, the majority of my life. And I just, I want to ask you, how do you feel like being on reality TV over the years has changed you as a person? Oh my God. That's a very deep philosophical question. You can answer it as deeply as you feel.

It's completely woven into the fabric of my life. I did survive it for the first time when I was 23 years old. and now I'm 41 and I'm kind of, it's just so unique to be able to have these kinds of adventures where I'm put in these scenarios that are so outside of the realm of what I would experience in my daily life, even if I was living a very adventurous life, it wouldn't be anything like traders or like survivor. So it's extraordinary to have these kinds of experiences in such a container like I go out and I play and I have my own experience inside of my own body and my emotion. And I process that.

And then I watch the show in the container of the episodes that it's laid out in. And I have another experience of watching myself. And so I get to kind of match up the inside with the outside. And whenever in our lives do we get to do that? Like see ourselves, play back certain parts of our lives or what we went through. Like how many times in your life would you be like, you had a hard conversation with a boss or a co-worker or a loved one? And you're like done with the conversation. You're like, I think I really screwed that up.

But if you could watch the tape and actually see it in action and be like, oh, I didn't do so bad. I think I did pretty good. like when that boost your confidence and help your belief in yourself. So it's kind of cool to have that experience too. Yeah, that's amazing. I mean, this whole season has been so fun. Obviously, sadly, you're not going to be on these next couple episodes. But I'm just so glad that you're back in our lives.

And Parvety, thanks for everything. Thanks, Dylan. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you, Parvity, for being here. And don't forget to rate review and follow the show wherever you. Listen, you can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And until the next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool.

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