Mention It All - The Face of Sisterhood Ft. Danny Murphy & Evan Real (Next Gen NYC & RHOBH Reunion)

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

On today’s episode, Dylan is joined by two returning guests who love to yap about Bravo, Page Six’s Danny Murphy and Evan Real. After catching up on mediums and star charts, they discuss the trailer for the upcoming show Next Gen NYC, and which Housewives offspring seem poised to have the most (and least) interesting seasons. From there, they dive deep on the RHOBH reunion, breaking down the differences between Kathy Hilton and Jennifer Tilly, and whether Erika’s “relaxing” season is a problem that needs to be addressed. They also discuss Garcelle’s departure, and whether anyone else should be on the chopping block. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We'll go check me both Hey everyone Welcome back to the mention at all podcast I am happy to be joined today By two returning guests I don't know that they've ever been on together before I feel like this is new

You know them from page six's virtual reality And now they are on page six radio Every Day on Sirius XM Danny Murphy and Evan Real. Welcome back. Hey, I know this is our first time together. We're excited to be tag teaming this. For such a long time. Evan, you were on the West Coast. Yes. And so I was like, Danny can stop by whenever. Yeah. Evan's like in town once in a bloom in and now you're here. I'm here forever. I'm here permanently. Yeah, my medium told me to move back to New York City and I listened to her. Correct. Yeah. Because I'm psychotic like that. Yeah. No, I check in with her once a year.

And normally she has a big bombshell news story to share with me. The, past year was you need to move back to New York ASAP. And I just checked in with her. There were no big seismic shifts happening. It was all just pretty boring. Thank God. It's good to be boring. Yeah.

I love that. Yeah. Yeah. When the medium is like, I mean, like, I don't know, you could like eat another vegetable.

Like, whatever. That's what I'm like, it's bullshit. It was more of that energy this time. You're spending a little too much money. Actually, my grandma did come through to tell me I was drinking too much coffee

and that I need to switch to tea. Well, that's not working out for me. I'm drinking coffee right now. How much coffee do you drink? I don't know. This is like my third of the day. I do three a day.

I think three a day isn't crazy. No. Right? It's not crazy. I can see how a grandmother or perhaps a doctor would be like, let's do two. All right. Well, like, a doctor, like, did she smoke? You know what I mean?

Did my grandma? No, she didn't smoke. My other grandma smokes. Okay. Well, there we go. We're trying to suss out your grandma's flaws right now. No, I know. Why is this my energy?

I don't know. Well, that's also because the six a. I bet your grandma made a mistake once. My grandma made so many. and she's up there like, yeah, but she told me what a crave case was from White Castle, so I'm indebted to her. That's nice. Do you know what a crave case from my castle is? I just recently learned.

It's like a bunch of sliders. But in a box. I didn't know about that. In like a tour. Like a brutal suitcase. Yes. I was fully Megan Markling. Do you or no deal?

Okay. This makes sense though because I feel like, as like a gay child, you're like, it's a purse. Oh, yes. And then we were like, you're giving me my food in a purse. No, I get to eat and be fashion. And then we would crinkle up the remnants of the remnants of the. the burger rappers and throw them like we play basketball with them. Which was very straight of you.

I know. Well, basketball laying in bed watching soap opera. So a little straight. Yeah. Wait, okay, you talking about the medium. It did remind me of something in the news that is like slightly dark, but we'll talk about it then move on, which was that Ali Luber has been talking more about the situation with her and James, which of course, you know, free Ali.

She's doing well, whatever. But she said that the night that she and James got into their altercation, we knew that it was Kathy Hilton's Christmas party, but she was like, I was at the party to read Kathy's star chart. Wow. And I'm like, wait, so you were like hired to come there and perform for her, or you just were at the

party and you were like, hey, I do stars? Kathy, do you want to know something? I hope it was the former, so she got paid to go. Right, and I would love to know how much Kathy pays for an aspiring astrologist to read her star chart. To tell her she's Chinese from 3,000. When she explained how she found that out, I want to know how much she paid that woman in Italy with an iPhone.

Right. Yeah. There's a Max Mara show? Yeah. At the Max Mara show in Italy. Like that's a Lana D'Oray song. A woman with an iPad told me I was Chinese at the Max Mara show. Yeah.

I also do, you know that there's a tunnel to China. I also did love that Kyle at the reunion was like, so are we Chinese or not? Yeah, she was like, what's going on? Kyle actually can't rest until she knows whether she's Chinese or not. It's like, that kind of thing is, it's like, I, Kathy Hilton's energy to me is like very up and down. I don't always like love the Kathy Hilton show.

But there are moments like that where I'm just like, what the fuck are we talking about? Do you feel now with Jennifer Tilly in the mix, Kathy Hilton show is a little lessening? Because Jennifer Tilly just brings the LOLs all the time. She's actually Chinese. And actually comedic timing. Because she's an actress.

I do. I do feel like Jennifer Tilly is like Kathy Hilton 2.0 a little bit in terms of like what she brings to the show. obviously lacking the familial deep ties and like residual history of of Kathy. But I think in terms of like what we thought Kathy was the first season that she was a friend of where it's like, oh, she's a, she's a riot. She's so kooky and she's rich and she, you know, she's just eating candy and pop and whatever. It's like, you know, like Jennifer Tilley is like that, but like all the time. I know they both brought props snacks to the reunion.

I love, do you see they're both like, like, and they're like, are you? have gum? I have crinkly something. I know, they're trying to, like, out-cathy each other. Because you're kind of right, like, in the sense, in the, in the, in the, in the, kooky sense of Kathy Hilton, she, Jennifer Tilly's kind of like, Kathy Hilton, but turbocharged. They also can get away, like, the candy thing. I feel like, if Doreet had a candy wrapper up in the microphone, Andy would be like, Doree, put the fucking candy away.

I know. I also, like, can't picture, like, Doret taking out a tutsie roll. I would love to know the last time Doret has eaten a titsy roll. Yeah. I feel it's been a minute. I feel, would love to know that. Now I kind of want one. Actually, it's been a while since I've eaten it. Tootsie rolls kind of fell off.

They did fall off. They did fall off. Let's bring back the titsy roll. My mom is a tutsi roll fan. Really? Okay. But like not, I don't know currently. But like when I was a kid, I feel like.

Wait, remember the colored titsy rolls? No. Like the orange and blue ones? Oh, they're bad. They're bad, but also kind of good. Oh. Wait, what I'm also wondering, because Kathy brought the money and I haven't checked the NASDAQ yet.

What's more profitable, Simpsons or Hilton? Oh, I don't know. Simpsons. You think so? Because Simpsons is free. It's on Fox every week. If you have Disney Plus, it's all streaming there. It makes people feel a sense of comfort.

They've grown up with it. Recession indicator. You're watching the Simpsons. Hilton Hotels. Recession Indicator, you don't have money to stay at a Hilton Hotel. You're staying at the Best Western, if that. Oh. Times are tough.

I think if people are tightening the purse strings, They're watching The Simpsons. They're not going on vacation. And Jennifer Tilly's like, good, do that so I can loosen my purse strings. To make more money. To buy the most important piece of jewelry in American history. In the entire world. Yeah. Yeah, that was wild.

It was beautiful, though. Yeah. Money well spent. It is beautiful. I looked up photos of that necklace after because there's like close up, like high quality photos. And it really is like a piece of art. And it photographed so well for the title shoot.

Yeah, it worked really. But now I'm like, can you never wear it again? I hate when people have that as a rule. But that's why I couldn't be, because like, if I spent that much, I would wear that every day to get cost per wear. I actually, I bet Jennifer Tilly is like, oh, no, I'm going to wear it again. Yeah. Like, she seems like the kind of, like when you actually have the wealth like that, you're not focused on never repeating an outfit. Or it's on the Chucky doll in her apartment, in her house, apartment, imagine?

I'm sure she has an apartment just for Chucky. The Chucky doll has its own house, right? Remember she stays next door? Yeah. And Jennifer, what's happening? Because that's like the filming house, right? Didn't she say that she doesn't, she was filming in her Cheki doll house because the other house is for actual living.

Yeah, and then she also has a house in Malibu that she doesn't go to because there's a ghost. Oh, right, right. Oh my God, right. Oh, my God, right. I would love to be rich for that. I would love to not interest. I just want one of those houses. Yeah, take anything. I'll take the ghost even. I'll take the ghost house in Malibu. Yeah, please. Danny is going to be rich one time when we were in Cannes. Eric Bigger from the Bachelorette. Many people might not remember him. But we had a moment with him at the Spotify podcast studio. on the beach and in view of us was the croissettes where there are very fancy stores and he was just looking at danny saying one day you're going to own this croissette like you're going to be able to walk in and out of louis and Gucci and prada and fendi and all the places and you can afford everything

and what did he tell me nothing nothing nothing he sees danny being this rich ass man affording every piece of designer good produced in france and i got nothing but eric bigger saw the future yeah he saw the future because he said that me and rachel lindsay are very aligned numerically numerologically. In a numerological sense. And Rachel Lindsay's also going to be

Hey, the divorce is finalized. So Rachel, it's our year. Rachel was on this podcast like a month ago and she like alluded to her divorce one time and I'm like,

I want to, how far can we go? How far can we go? But I would go shopping with her. Yeah. I'm not ready yet for that type of shopping. But I'm very ready to do that with her.

I'm also not. Get an anti-ends. Okay, that's actually my dream. Wait, you know, what's the, what's the thing with the, the soda and then the pretzel bites on top with the little dipping sauce? Oh, I've seen that until, it looks like, it looks like, shame? Yeah. No, I'm true. This is it?

If you haven't been to an anti-ends lately, they're innovating over there. That's my, like, award. I was, no, Brian and I were going to get my husband. Yeah, Woodbury Commons. Yeah, Woodbury Commons, but they didn't have any Diet Coke left, so it was only, it was like lemonade only. I love how that was where you guys were like, I draw the line. We just, I don't know. I don't want lemonade with my pretzel.

I want Diet Coke. Okay. Does Rachel ever want to, when you talk to her, because we haven't talked to her, does she want to do reality TV again? She is hosting a reality TV podcast. She is. No, I know that. Reality ring her.

I know that, but does she want to get in the mix? I don't think so. Okay. I do, I do think, like, for somebody like her, like, I feel like she had such a complicated experience with Bachelor Nation, that it's almost like, why would you throw yourself in a different thunder dome where you might also have a complicated experience. experience if you don't need to. I don't think she needs to.

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It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. We have this next-gen NYC show that we just got the trailer for Yeah, we did. This was like, I feel like this was like everybody knew this was happening but was just like actively forgetting

or like choosing not to think about it for like a year. And now it's here, next gen, NYC. And it's interesting because some of these housewives kids that are on it, you do have to think like, okay, like Candy Burris did this for a long time but she left the housewives. And now her daughter,

is like diving right back into this. We're like, I, with somebody like Gia, I'm like, yeah, of course Teresa's going to be like, oh yeah, I did get the, do the show. But like, I do wonder kind of like, Meredith Marks is so protective of Brooks. Is she like excited that he's going to be on a show like this? Oh, that's true because it's kind of like you, they are no longer in control of the narrative for their kid. Right.

And their kids getting in the mix and might either have a situation where they aren't liking it or accidentally say something that they're like, well, Brooks, I can't help you there. Right, like the kids aren't off limits when they're the stars of their own show. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like Meredith is probably excited.

And I like that Meredith and stuff, from what we see in the trailer, we're so involved in the filming process. So they probably had like all eyes and ears. And I think that they live in New York part time. So I feel like they were around. They were in it more than Gia. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I thought about this too, because I watched the trailer and I was looking through and I was like putting my little posts together. or whatever. And I was like, okay, so like, Brooks, like, Seth is there and, like, he's making a joke about wanting to be pansexual.

So, like, that kind of got me going. And then, like, you know, Candy and, like, Ariana and Riley are, you know, talking, whatever. But I'm like, Gia kind of wasn't very present in that trailer. She just said, I'll protect you, Brooks. And then that was it. Yeah. We got to stick together.

Yeah. And did they? But, yeah. Wait, that was a, was that Gia? Oh, I don't know. That was really good, though. And I was about to say when you did. Teresa just a few moments ago, that was actually pretty good too.

You were casual chaos. Thank you. Casual casual chaos with you at Chudice. You make a great judice. Oh. That? Thank you. I just like, I am curious sort of like where the, what the vibe of this show is going to be.

And whether like, whether it's going to be like real drama or like a little produced. They got hit with tree branches. That's an episode. The most New York act. which is riding on a double-decker open-top bus. Next-gen-NYC, baby. We live here.

And then being like, what's the subway? I'm like, oh, you're over here. Well, I do. No, I do believe that Ariana Bierman doesn't know much about the subway. Actually, Ariana Bierman, I think, is the person I'm most excited to watch on this show because I, I just, like, kind of her energy fascinates me. And also, the boyfriend is there, too. Yes. Her junior high sweetheart that she's been on and off with.

And I'm like, they've moved to New York together. And I'm like, they're going to twin it. And then also Ariana is the one who's making the Becky with the good hair joke. I don't know if it was a joke, actually, more of like a diss. Well, because she's on the show with Rachel Roy's daughter. Right, Ava Dash. I'm excited about her.

I'm excited about her. She's a pretty girl. I kind of, I'm obviously excited about the housewife kids we've known for so long. Yeah. I wasn't aware that it was going to be people that weren't on. Bravo. So that makes me excited that it's not just going to be really insular. Because we have these people on.

I'm not that tapped into like influencers in the city. Like I don't, I don't know them, but I'm excited for that. I've seen like Amira's videos on TikTok, but I'm not like following the, I'm excited to love her. I don't know who she is.

I'm such a fan of her. I'm so, so, so pumped. Amira, I'm not a fan, but I just don't, I'll check the TikTok after her. I have thought about this.

There's no good way to say that you're not a fan of somebody without it sounding. Like that? Mean. They're like, oh, like, no,

I'm not really a fan. It makes it sound like I hate your guts. Well, Also, it's hard to when you're, it's someone who's like an influencer because if it's a musician, oh my God, I haven't listened to your album. It's like, I haven't acknowledged your existence. I haven't seen those TikToks. I didn't know you are a person. And then like to make them be like, well, I do content about my day. I'm like, oh, I'll check that. I'll check that day. I just love a fun and pretty girl. Is she like city my life? Like what's her? So born in Dubai and grew up in Dubai and Dallas. Oh, the classic. Okay. Who did it? I want to know Amira. I want to know your miles. Um, and I know on TikTok, she's. Um, and I know on TikTok, she's. She has been pretty open about her. She's transgender. Oh, okay.

And that's like, you know, she's gotten like facial feminization surgery and taken us along with that. And, and like, so. No, no, no. Oh, I was like, the last few years living in New York. She's modeled for Victoria's Secret. Oh. Yeah.

Like, I don't know, I don't know how much, you know, personal life we're going to see of, there's a lot of people on this show. Yeah. But like, I'm interested. There are, like, interesting people. And a couple of them, there are a couple, like, Amira is more influencery. Like, Ava Dash is. trying to model, but there's a few people on the show that don't have...

Like a ton of followers or... Yeah, like, there's a guy named Charlie who... I quoted his bio. I thought it was Charlie Who? I'm like, who? Quote, crypto trader and private investor who's been ruling NYC's club scenes since he was 14. Oh, okay. So I'm like, who's that?

Who's that? Crypto trader. We'll find out. Who are your parents. No days off. Okay. Yeah. So I don't...

That's someone I don't... I'm not drawn to watching his existence. Yeah. I do think though the mix of this cast is, I think it's important to have the non-Bravo kids because otherwise it would have felt like this is like ultimate girls trip, Bravo Nepo Baby in a way. And like this. Like babysitters club. Right.

And at least they can sort of pretend that they have found a friend group versus just like casting six kids of housewives. Because it makes it also feel more because a lot of them we know are, I'm sure, a lot of it. like are in New York by way of being housewife kids too. Right. Versus these people that are just like, oh, I started out. Like they built an audience kind of on their own. So it's a fun mix. Right.

Not all of us have been in the club scene since we're 14. Oh, my God. Club Penguin, maybe. What is that? No, literally. He's like, I was the Crypto King of Club Penguin. Everybody was in my igloo. I am excited for like just another New York City show.

Yeah. I like New York City as a backdrop and it'll fill the void. Bryn's like, can I audition for this one? And I feel like, can I age down? Wait, no, I feel like she could fit in. Hoppy. That app, yeah. I just feel like she could fit in in the next gen, NYC.

Wait, we're talking about Bryn Hoppy or Bryn Whitfield? No, Bryn Whitfield. Oh, my God. Wait, you were talking about Hoppy or Whitfield? Brin Whitfield's app, Hoppy. What? Oh. What?

So I don't, I'm not caught up on a... Wait, this is like... Because there's Bryn Hoppy who's Bethany's daughter. No, she's 14? Oh, my God. I don't want Bryn Hobby. She's like, you ruled the club scene last year. Now it's my turn.

I am the club. I am the club. Ben the scene. Wow. That's her Karen Heuer. No, Brinfield. Wait, that's crazy that her app is named Hoppy. I never thought about it in that way.

Wow. What is that? I wonder if that is intentional. What's the app? Yeah. It's like a video dating up for college kids. Right, right. Really?

Do that what you want? Oh. Sorry, Brent. Yeah, I don't. Well, I can't have the app because I'm not in college. So everything's on FaceTime? I don't ask. Somebody's going to find a screenshot of you on Hoppy and cancel you.

Woo! I'm just like, hop, bitty, hop, happy Easter. Going down to Rutgers for the weekend. Oh my God. Oh, my God. Isn't that her Gia went? Yeah. She went to Rutgers?

Yeah. Did she finish? Yeah. She's not going to law school. She was going to go to law school. She was studying for the LSATs. And her tutor was like, if you're not a hundred, she was getting brand deals and all this stuff. And her tutor was like, if you're not a hundred percent, why do I know this?

If you're not like locked in on LSATs in law school, like don't do it right now. I love the tutor. Like, yeah, you kind of have. to be a law student to do law. She's like, yeah, actually, you can't be late to the session because you were filming like a fashion Nova Hall. But she's like, it's so much more easier and fun. Amen. No, truly.

Like, why would you go to law school if you could be on next gen NYC? Hello? I do think it's interesting, though, that like, Gia's going to be on this show while there are still so many question marks around her mom's Bravo fate. Obviously, I mean, like, Kim. Well, I thought even financial fate. But yes, Bravo Fate as well. Get the crypto boy in there.

I mean, like, Kim Zolsiac and Candy are not currently on Atlanta, so it's not like this show is like, for like current housewives only. But like if Teresa isn't on New Jersey moving forward, but Gia is still like, is Teresa like using this show as a way to kind of like keep a platform or? I feel why. I feel Gia would want her mom to do that too. That's true. Well, like one of the floating theories though has been they're going to go with the Melissa side of the cast for Jersey. And then Teresa will get the spin off. This is all just a theory online that fans continue to speculate about.

So if they do go that route and Teresa gets her spinoff while they keep Melissa and Marge on Jersey in that side of the house, do you think that Gia being on this show would impact a Teresa's spinoff? I guess she could do both. Yeah, I feel that's cross-brand emotional. I think knowing that they have already, I mean, this show has been in the can for months. If they were to start filming a show with Teresa's family, even like, you know, let's say, next month or something. Like they could

balance it. Yeah. Like you would be seeing like different chunks of stuff. Yeah. I guess I would be like how Candy had five spin-offs all at one.

So like, you know what I mean? They're like it was... Yeah. Or like, you know, the page and Craig have been on like 55 different

seasons of three different shows in the last. No. I can't. I just... We are, we are so close to getting like

the last chunk of that. But so far away. That's yeah. Yeah, because we're like, what in the middle of summer? We're like halfway through Summer House. Okay, so then they broke up officially by November. After Thanksgiving. So it's like what happened

between filming, rapping, and November? Because where Paige is at currently, I don't know how they extended it beyond the weekend we just saw. Yeah, it's not like what happened Hillary Brown and Clinton. It's like, if Paige is interacting with Craig, how she's interacting on Summer. If that's other interactions, I'm like, how was anyone shot?

No, I was thinking about this the last episode, like two weeks ago, when Craig was still at the summer house. Yes. When this was when Paige was telling Sierra, like, that he didn't want to be on camera saying that her business was, like, doing really well or whatever. Like, it feels like in real time, Paige is, like, getting the ick from Craig. And I'm like, okay, so that was July and then you're together until the end of November.

Like, we're not, we're obviously not going to see all of the time in between because once Summerhouse finishes filming, I imagine they didn't film with Paige until after she broke up with Craig, but like, she must have, like, gotten her mind back in the game at least a little bit for those, like, four months. I guess she was on tour, though. So maybe she was there. The world tour. Wait, no, no, no, you're right.

Yeah. She was going to war. Yes. Abba. She didn't, I guess, have to interact with her feelings about Craig because he was sort of out of sight out of mind. That's a good point. And also, he was, I mean, by his choice, because she was like, I told him he's

welcome to come to literally any and all of the tour days. But he's a secret hater. He doesn't want to. Yeah. He doesn't want to wait in the green room while Paige has a sold-out show. Which, like, green... That's free snacks, Craig. Like, what are you turning up?

And also, I'm sure everyone would scream for him at the green room. You know what I mean? Right. He would get just as much love as Paige. He just isn't the one doing the show. Right. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we were talking about Paige and Craig on Page Six Radio.

And during our discussion, I brought up this newlywoods parallel that I see where... Nick and Jessica? Yes, Nick and Jessica. Because when newlyweds happened, Jessica skyrocketed. Jessica Simpson. Yes, Jessica Simpson, if anyone's confused, she's a one-nameer to me. Jessica Lang, when Jessica Lang and Nick Lachet were dating, she really was taking off. Nick Nolty.

Wait, why don't I feel like Jessica Lange and Nick Lachet could have maybe... Vanessa Lachet will bust down this wall if someone tries to take that man out. Well, anyways, if you guys don't remember... She Kool-Layneman. What happened when Nick and Jessica Nulywood... Nick and Jessica Nulaywood's happened was that Jessica. skyrocket and her career really took off to new heights and then nick's was so stagnant so i feel like these past three years have sort of been like that for page and craig where page has become super

famous and successful and craig is i don't know i um i did sing what's left to me by nick lachay at a middle school talent really oh i love that song that's a really good track fall in fester barely breathing i also love that video too it is good yeah um but also my thing is that was his biggest, like, solo moment, though, was after the breakup. Was exploiting his breakup. It was kind of like his lose you to love me. Wow. I do love that.

I don't think it hit number one, though. And that in hacks when, like, the girls was playing on repeat. That's so funny. Um, who's this? What's the girl, Buffett, buffet? The Craig's dating now was dating? Oh. Yeah, Natalie.

Natalie buffet. What's up with her? I haven't been keeping that many tabs on her. I don't know. She just. You said, you said buffet. And I was thinking, um, Buffy that was on, uh, married to medicine. I'm like, did you guys hear?

She said, I almost like, because we've been talking a lot about Shirley Bassi on Patriot's Radio. We cover ground. And I was like, isn't he dating Bassi now? Imagine Craig Conover and Shirley Basset. I would like to see that. I would like. But I feel like they started getting together right after that. So I feel like Craig.

I feel like I feel the Craig and Paige thing. And I feel like we all have friends where this has happened where it's like they broke up a while before they actually broke up. Yeah. So I was like, yeah. Well, but then I think the magnifying glass of both being on separate shows, it's like if they had just broken up and then we didn't have to keep talking about it and watching it and unpacking it, like it makes sense. We've watched them be on two completely different pages and then they eventually broke up. And then it's like, yeah, we were on different pages. It didn't make sense for us to still be together.

But it's like there's this need to find more. And so all of the question, you know, like at the Southern Charm reunion, when he's getting asked, like, again, about whether or not he thinks Paige cheated on him. And he still is going with the thing of like, well, I'm not going to, it's not my, I don't need to talk about this. And it's like, I don't know. Yeah, I know. I get why, because it's like, this is our job to talk about it. But I was like, change the answer. You're keep, we're keeping talking about it because the answer is not.

You're not putting it to bed. Either say yes or no. Yeah. And if you think it's a, yeah, stand on a stand on business, Craig. And so someone down south of business. True. Someone down south. I don't think Craig wants to, like, bring receipts of anything, even if he had them.

Well, he can take a page out of Carl's book. Oh, but yeah, in the coming attraction for next week. Oh, yeah, because Carl has receipts. I don't know. Lil has receipts. Lil is on social media. That's, we call her lemon. Little lemon.

Lemon. She got mad at it. She got mad at me last week because I said her outfit looked homemade, which it was. Wait, she proudly, she probably, I said, all I said was girl we can tell.

And she. Also, Lil, why is Lil listening? Uh, no, you could tell because it looked in couture. Wait,

what? It was a tweet. I tweeted, girl, we can tell. And she, it was like, I was like,

you know, what she said? Dragging her for using her creativity and all of that. I'm just like, I'm just like, I was like, oh.

She said that? Yeah, it was a whole Instagram story. Oh, look, but it's like, I wish her well. It's like,

she, she had a little bit of a strange appearance on the show. The energy is a little off, but whatever. I don't... And you know, hot in the Hamptons, it's like 88 degrees. They're drinking. She's in a pirate costume. I wouldn't know what I was saying either.

Shipwreck. Shipwreck. You know, I wouldn't even know what's going on. I feel it's been fun watching Carl, like, start to get into the mix again, you know? So that's at least cute. Yeah. But it's interesting. I don't think they are stillmates.

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Find Ollie's sleep solutions for the whole family at ollie.com. That's OLL.L-Y.com. What are you guys feeling about the Beverly Hills reunion? I feel some levels of confusion because I, loved um, Doreet kind of going Sydney Sweeney from Euphoria. And I've never been happier with love. Because I'm like, wasn't part one you being like I'm getting divorced. So I'm confused how that was her checkmate piece to Sutton.

But it's funny. I kind of like that Doret is doing Sutton's game to her. Because you know how Sutton's whole thing is like, poke, poke, poke, poke, you explode. Oops. That was Doret bringing out the real Sutton or whatever she was. Right. Yeah. I think Sutton, because those moments that Sutton has had where she like kind of

like breaks a little bit on the inside, they kind of come up randomly. Like, I feel like it's, it's like that thing of when you're, you like call the super because like the sink is doing something weird and then the second he gets there, it's like not doing it anymore. And I feel like Doret kind of is like, she knows what she's doing trying to sort of like get that reaction out of Sutton. Because like Sutton, at the end of the day,

it's like even if you agree with her on certain things, there are just those moments where it's like a little, indefensible. Yeah. And I think Deeree, it's like, she knows what she's doing. Oh, I feel this reunion in particular, she knows exactly what she's been doing. Yeah. And I'm, I just, I, I can't help it just be Team Deeree in every sense.

Yeah. I love her so much. She is, wait, you're not, I'm not sensing team to read. Are you team to read? I like Doree. I think she's doing fun. I feel like this reunion, it's a lot of heat that she's giving off, which I do it. Indoor heat?

Indoor heat. Addoor heat. Oh, yeah. She's in Dore heat. She is in Door Heat, where I'm kind of like, where she's like yelling at everyone. Yeah. Where I'm kind of like, so what happens?

Because she's almost now, everyone I think on Beverly Hills is so alienated. I'm like, no, no, these people are friends now. It's in that tricky thing where Dorey's like, I hate you, Kyle, and I hate you, Sine. I hate you, Garcel and Jennifer Tilly, you're sometimes okay, but you're not. And then Kyle's the same way. I just want my Christmas to be alone where I'm like, okay, go off the, like, what are we, what's now? And Erica's just sitting silent.

Right. Yeah. It's like Garcel in a way is the only person who made the authentic choice, which is just like, I don't need to be with these people anymore. But I think, yeah, with Doreet, like, I think she had a really good season. Yeah. Which she was pretty primed for. I mean, the season starts with her big news of the separation. And I think naturally when you're going through a situation like that, like you are kind of, you become like the protagonist of the story.

I think Kyle also helps. helped Derreet's case a lot by kind of being a good antagonist for a lot of that story. She was. Sutton, too. But yeah, it is interesting because, like, I don't think that Derreet has had, like, I don't agree with everything she's saying or, like, I don't think she's had, like, a flawless season. But I do feel like, just in terms of giving us stuff to talk about and things to look at,

it's like, yeah, I mean, this was kind of the Derreet season. She has been doing that. And Durinda on Page Six Radio this morning gave Erica kind of a warning. Oh, because she said she enjoyed watching Erica. as relaxing season, but the fans get tired of that fast. Yeah, she needs to dial back then. She said, you get a season. And that's it.

Yeah. Well, that's what I, I don't understand at this reunion. I feel like there have been jabs made about, like, Kyle made a comment about how Sutton basically didn't have anything going on except her fashion show. You know, Garcel was in the hot seat for not sharing her dating life, allegedly. And it's weird to me that nobody has commented on Erica's, like, home renovation being really her only storyline. Oh, well, Danny has been on virtual reality and pagex radio.

So if you're tuning into those two places, you can hear Danny's thoughts on the matter. Because I love wallpaper. I love, I know, I love home design. Eight episodes of it. And also just to pick sick on wallpaper? The other day we were doing it. It's rental. Thank you, Dylan.

That's my question. So she's going to have to tear that all down. Oh, yeah. We got into screaming about that because Evan, Evan wants a spinoff. No, no, no. Okay. So, like, we were talking on virtual reality the other day. We were doing a Beverly Hills recap.

Beverly Hills Bunglo with Erica Jane. And I would watch. So we were talking about Erica Jane and I'm like, I'm an Erica fan. I enjoy her. Yeah. And I guess I've just been enjoying her and not realizing that she's just been doing a lot of wallpapering this season. And I was only in defense of, because like she kept on coming at Garcel for not doing anything.

And I'm like at least like Garcell's, well, this is about what I said. Garcell is asking questions. And then people, every time at the reunions, we're like, Garcel, you never opened up at dinner. Ask her a question that forces her to open up. Yeah. You know what I mean? Then Erica, sit down in front of Garcell. I'm like, who are you dating right now?

Yeah, I think that was one of Garcell's strengths was sort of directing the attention and the energy. And if other people don't give it back to her, that's not her fault. I always say it's like Garcel, Giselle, and Margaret Josephs are very good at that. Where people like, you never open up because I got you talking. Because like, you know what I mean? Because I'm coming in asking you a question and now you are doing all these things instead of just returning a question to me. Yeah, I also do think the role of production in that is important, too, because it's like if production felt like they weren't getting enough from Garcel, I think then they would probably

prod Erica or Dorit or whoever to be like, oh, like, maybe ask Garcel about X, Y, Z. And if they feel like they're getting enough back and forth, that also, you know, speaks to what Garcel is bringing to the show, even if it's not her sharing juicy stories about. I think they're probably like, well, Garcel, all you do is talk about us. It is Housewives. Yeah. Well, I wonder then, like, if it's a production thing, if producers didn't push any of the cast members to push Garcel about her personal life, does production just not care about Garcel's personal life? Maybe.

Yeah. I mean, Erica said she was uninteresting. I don't, like, maybe she just is in an uninteresting phase of her life, which good for her. That's peaceful. And that's why she's like, Garcel. Yeah, I mean, Garcel even said that in her announcement of when she was leaving. She was like, my life is not that salacious right now. if that's what the show needs,

then it makes sense for me to leave. Enjoy. And I think, yeah, with Erica, I was really, up until I feel like about the halfway point of the season, I was like, oh, Erica's having a great season. Her energy seems lighter. She's focusing on her pizza party behavior.

I thought her, like, therapy sessions toward the beginning of the season were really interesting. Like getting, I feel like that sort of culminated when they went to Chucky Cheese and, like, gave her the pizza party. And then it just felt like for the rest of the season there wasn't really like much left. But I mean, she's Nick Lechet, what's left of me?

She should have done that cover. She earned her what Durinda said. Relaxing season. Relaxing season. And I think that the nature of housewives is that everybody has their, you know, waves and dips. Yeah. And I think that like going into next season, I think it would make sense for production or the network or whoever to like when they're putting together the be like, okay, so like, Erica, like, you had a, you had a relaxing season last year, like,

what's next? Yeah. Yeah. What did you think, speaking of production, when Doree and even Andy kind of were grilling Sutton for how she interrupted Doree and Souton was like, you guys told me to. And also, you told Sutton to do it. You know Soutin is not the most, like, graceful, chill girl, especially with Doree. They should have had, like, Kyle or Bose doing it.

Well, they probably had Sighton to make it messy. And then also Sutton, I think is admitted. a bit of an awkward person. So getting in the middle of a conversation. Because production probably told her while Doreet was talking about her kid and the divorce and that whole thing. Okay.

And then also like Soutton, they're probably like, Sutton, your best, Garcile's waiting for you as if you want her in the episode. You know what I mean? Right, right. Oh, they were manipulating her. I think Sutton also was set up for failure a little bit earlier in the season

when she, on that like, Oceanside trip or wherever, decided that she needed to establish that they were all going to have a sisterhood circle. Because I'm like, okay, first of all, that was like never realistically going to happen. But also, like, Sutton isn't really the like... The face of sisterhood. Face of...

Yes. And so I'm like, okay, you kind of set yourself up to look like a hypocrite when you knew that 12 minutes later you were going to be like questioning Derith's choices of parenting. My favorite I do. That's probably is part of the thing where she was like, they tried to break me. They've been trying to break me for a long time. Sutton is... Yeah, no, Sutton believes that internal narrative so strongly where she's like, all I have done is shown up and tried to be a sister to these.

How do you think she's going to show up next season without Garcel? That is fascinating to me because I think that more than, more than most other people on housewives, Sutton, like, really needs somebody kind of holding her hand. I love her as her friend up, but she kind of goes like, come on baby, bum, do that funk gun, no. And then she just dances off. She's like doing the Congo with Sutton. She's like, bye, girl. throws her into a fight and Sine needs someone in the fight. Well, yeah, I was confused when Jennifer Tilly wasn't aware if Suttain was on

anti-anxiety medication or not. Like out of, out of everyone, she would know. Yeah, I don't know how they have like a very ladies who lunch kind of friendship and I don't know how deep it gets. That it's like they love when they're both invited to Dolcane Cabana, Altamoda. And I feel but like, Sutton needs a Garcel where Garcell's like, I will, I will be the person who does it. Like, I will ask them for us. You know what I mean? Right. Where she will like, I will fight the battles for us. Well, and I think knowing that Doreet found hers kind of in Bose this season. Good for Doreet.

I like Bose. Because we love Bose because we knew Bose before she was on Housewives, which makes us feel very chic. Yeah. Yeah. But like if we go into next season, we're fancy. If we go into next season and Bose and Doreet are still like a package duo and Sutton's not getting along with anyone really. Like how much longer is Sutton going to do this if she doesn't actually need them? And especially because she doesn't need that's a thing.

She doesn't need money. Maybe they'll cast a friend for suddenly. You live in a fucking main road I'm like In Bel-I'm like I know a main road in Bel Air is kind of different Than a non-main road in Seno Pipe the fuck like pipe down

Doree I'm like yeah I mean it definitely got a lot of attention In memes and on social media And I'm always here for Yeah No it's a good moment Yeah yeah

I know like but what does it really mean Like you said like if it's a main road In Bel Air then like it's And you live on Park Avenue Yeah I do Thanks for letting me no. Oh wait.

Well, yeah. I mean, Sutton has a New York City place too. So, I mean, she's my coach. She's doing, she's doing all right. Right.

Like, no, like, saying somebody doesn't live, like the queen of Shiba is, is, like, trying to imply some sort of, like,

destitution that just, like, doesn't, like, she's not Grey Garden, Sutton. She just, like, she's not Sonia Morgan.

With, like, Dorita said financial rumors thrown around about her. So it's once or twice. Once, twice, three times a lady. ladies who lunch. So it's kind of an interesting

knife part for her to twist. It's as interesting as the like, and you don't have a love in your life. I'm like, okay. It got you a horse. You got you a horse. Not a man. Who's not a man?

Well, that is kind of funny. Well, also, Doreet, where's your man? Well, that's my question. She might still want to work on things with P. Now, Doree. If some changes are made. If she's listening to this, oops. But also, I can't have another season about,

and I don't know what to do with Pekai. If she's still not divorced with this man, Or back together with him next season, I'm going to start chain smoking in the valley. That's it. No, I'm going to be bored. I'm going to be tired of it. I do really feel like by next, whenever they film the next season of Beverly Hills, Kyle and Durit need to not tiptoe around the D word because it's like, you're not,

you're getting divorced, whether it's happening now or whether it's. That's also the thing where I was like, so much happened this season in Beverly Hills, but also what? Because you're like, Kyle brought it. She was just drinking kombucha face timing. And I love Kyle. And she's like, and I, don't know what's happening with Mo. You haven't for five years.

Or however many long the divorce been going on. And that's, he's just not, no longer. I think, I think we know what's going. He bought the furniture. You have news alerts like we all do. He's drinking SpaghettiOs. In the condo. Yeah.

He was in Europe for what, like 40 days? 40 days and 40 nights. He only partied five nights. Yeah. So that's kind of what's where I'm like, we need, we need, I feel like everyone needs to bring some different things to the table. I think that's. Because I feel that's right.

A lot of people have been saying like we've been watching the same season for a few seasons now. Yeah, I don't, I don't think we need to like clear the board and reset. No, please no. I think we need some shuffling. Yeah. Do you feel like anyone needs to take a break other than Garcelle? Um, I mean, I think I'm, I'm curious to see kind of what Sutton's position looks like next season. I don't think there's anybody else on the cast that I would like fire.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think like maybe some people need a little bit of a talking to. Yeah. Because I think thinking about like, you mentioned Giselle, you know, kind of as an example with Garcel, but like it seemed like before last season of Potomac that somebody got through to Giselle that it's like, hey, whatever

the fuck that was the season before, we can't have that again. And you know what? That was losing her bestie kind of made her have one of the better seasons. Oh, so maybe. Maybe Sighton. Yeah. Again, I, um, Giselle Sotten is not. I don't know if, um, Jizel is bringing like, I don't, I can't imagine Sotten.

running the fun with Doreet? You don't think Sutton is the Giselle of Beverly Hills? No, because I kind of love because Giselle and Karen, so, but like their back and forth is funny to watch and it ebbs and flows, but it comes from a place of love

where I don't think Sutton and Doreet have that organic. It's low, it's also think about the way that Sutton is like begging for Kyle's love and acceptance. There's nobody on the Potomacast that Giselle has ever had that energy for.

If anything, it's the other way around. Doree and Kyle. need to either get divorced or talk about the divorce and son has to stop with it because she's like I'm not what was her whole thing I'm not bowing at the altar of Kyle Richards and now she very much is yeah 40 different times she was like I just wish Kyle would come to would stick up for me and it's like she doesn't and I'm like you don't think she gives a shit about her yeah so I think she gives a small little shit okay right a little turd like a chihuahua shit yeah yeah yeah a little bit

Pustik T'i Puf? I think she does. I think she does. But I think it's low on her. It's not important to her. And also, you know why? And this is actually a life lesson because she knows you'll always come back.

Oh, yeah. Something's got to make Kyle work harder. Yes. Or just, we were talking about this with how I think Lexi's doing a great job with this with Jesse, even though it's not doing well. She's telling how she wants to be.

She's doing a great job with this with Jesse, even though she's not doing well. out of her for this. She's telling someone how she wants to be loved. Oh, yeah. Instead of just showing them how love is. Because I think that's what Sotton should do for Kyle instead of being like, well, I want to be Kyle's sister. So I'm going to do all this right. She, Satin needs to sit down with Kyle like, show up for me in this ways or I don't know what I can do for you anymore. Yeah. Like, I think it's perfectly acceptable also to have like a little pre-filming, like, chit-chat where it's

like, okay, we're going into this season. Last season was a little bumpy. Yeah. If we, I would like us to be friends this season. And if that is, like, you know, important to you, like it's important to me. I would appreciate this, that, and the other thing. Maybe. I don't know if Kyle would like, receive that, sign on for that. I think she'd be like, we'll see.

Well, I mean, Kyle's tried to do that, like I had of the reunion with the text message to Dereet. Like, she love, I feel like she loves to set the scene. So maybe she would be resented to someone else trying to set the scene. I think you're talking about two different things. But was she silent or silent? Setting the scene or controlling the narrative. Oh, wow.

One and the same, right? Depends who you ask Depends me, me, I feel me and Dorit. Durit felt muzzled. Yeah, I feel like Derreet, I hope you tune in just for that part because she didn't agree with me there. Okay, that was one thing that surprised me about this Beverly Hills reunion was how hung up

Derreet and Kyle still are on the text thing from last read. That didn't get to know I make. Wow. We got to let it go. I'm like, wait, this was a full calendar year ago. Right. And this is still seemingly a major source of because beyond the texting P.K. Beyond the, were you there for me this season?

That is like, it seems like they're more mad about Dereet reading a text message on camera than she is about Doreet like saying she was a bad friend during the season. I think it was because it was a violation of trust, I guess. And the filming. Girl code! I love the Kyle Crutchinger.

Girl code, friend code. Yeah. And I love, well, yeah, I did call P.K. after our fight. Ooh. I texted him again. I've texted him since. Yeah, I just don't get why that was the biggest violation because I figure if you're texting your friend

who's also on the same reality show that you star on, you just figure that that text message is going to be discussed or shown or talked about. Because at the first part, Kyle was like, I bet you didn't even think they would use car footage and error because I think everything's going to be used. I feel Kyle doesn't think a lot of things. Kyle's used to maybe getting a little bit more of a generous edit.

Or at least wants to get that, even if she's not used to. I think also with the text to to read specifically, it sort of exposed because on Kyle's end, she could say, oh, yeah, like, Doreet, I've texted Doreet since I said that thing about us not being that close on Amazon Live. Like, I reached out to her, whatever. But, like, for Doreet, she's like, you reached out to me strategically the night before we were going to meet. Like, we didn't organically connect within our friendship. Very hell and way, because remember, Kathy, silence is golden.

I will stay silent, smiley face. They love to send a pre-reunion text. She's like, what do you mean? I'm shady. What do you mean? That was funny. Yeah. I know the Richard sisters, they know what they're doing.

That is true. How is Kim? We didn't need to check in on Kim. Well, we kind of did. Oh, did I fall asleep during that part? Well, because there were like reports that she wasn't doing well and that she was in Florida. And Kathy said that she's been spending time in Florida and that Kyle said she's doing better than the last time there was stuff in the press. That's good.

That's good. I just, yeah. No, I, at this point, like, I have no. I have no like oh get Kim back on the show I'm like just like get Kim like happy healthy safe like her a room where she can paint the walls because that made her happy it seemed yeah yeah and like make some chicken salad wait so if she's in Florida so is sonia can you imagine sonia and kim together interesting that'd be fun yeah like Kate Chastain is there yeah there's some fun Kate would enjoy observing oh yeah Ramona's there can you imagine Ramona and Kim together they both love their turtles

Ramona Singer and Kim Richards together I actually like don't You don't need to see I am kind of curious I don't know if I know But I love I would love Kate Chessain to do something down there Kate Chastain I feel like has been in like holding Like a holding pattern for like five years now

She really yeah I feel she is like she is the on call NBC like because like whenever they need something for someone You're like do you want to host a panel? Do you want to And she's like yeah and she does it flawlessly Yeah This episode is brought to you by Redfin You're listening to a

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Yeah, like a week and a half now? A week and a half. Yeah, it's been good. Derinda on today. Yeah, Jirinda on today. We had Melissa Gorga last week. Melissa Gorgia. Cake.

We have Rebecca Minkoff tomorrow. Okay. Jen Fester next week. We have a lot of Bravo. Always somebody fun. Those tri-state area, Bravo ladies. Yes. Bridge and tunnel.

That is our five. I mean, I am a bridge and tunneller from Jersey. So it makes us very excited, but it's a lot of fun. And it is fun too, because then we do the virtual reality podcast, later on in the day and waking up early for serious has this extra goofy and loopy for that. So we like forget what comes out of our mouth when we do that. So it's a treat. Live is so interesting because it's like two hours and then it's over and you're like,

I guess. No. I guess that exists. You know what? I was kind of nervous for the live aspect of it, but I actually, I kind of like it better. And it makes you, I feel like it's also fun too where things just pour out of your, like you're like, I guess this is what my soul needs to say right now. Right.

Like, I didn't know I hated Austin Butler until I started doing live radio. This guy hates Austin Butler. Strong word. So Austin Butler is allegedly dating Zoe Kravitz now, and Danny hates it. Danny hates it. I like hot people being together. See, and I think they are both very hot, and I think they look good together. But for whatever reason, Austin Butler does not tickle Danny's fancy.

I wouldn't say he tickles mine either, but I don't hate him. Okay. I think he's a good actor. Oh, okay. Lovely, fabulous. I'm like, and while they tried to break me. They tried.

They brought me here to break me. How many more times? I know that's like Austin Butler asked you on a date. Would you say yes? No, I don't think I would go on a date with him. No? I think I was being punished. I mean, I'm married and I would say yes.

Well, this is why me, I'm on team Lexi would. I'm married and I go on a date with Austin Butler. You would let him suck your toe? You follow Austin Butler on Instagram. Lexi, I'm, unfortunately, I'm, so team Lexi beyond belief. It's really problematic for myself probably. Have you met Lexi's mom? Yes. Oh, have you? I haven't. Oh, you met at the party. Oh, I wasn't there at the party. I have. How was she?

Mom, sister, and Lexi were at Kyle Cook's fundraiser for the LA fires. And I didn't know that she was her mom. I was like, three sisters. She looks in, I mean, Lexi's. I was stalking on Instagram the next day because this was before the season had premiered. So like I recognized Lexi, but didn't know anything about her. And I was like, I think that's the mom. It's insane. Yeah. Oh my God.

I'm so sad that I didn't need. And Lexi's IRL Barbie and such a tree and such a fun Canadian vibe. She's coming in next week, right, to virtual reality? Oh my God, I'm so excited. I'm very much team Lexi too. I love her so much. Okay. And I am like with pain.

I'm like she should be allowed to see who you're following on Instagram. See, I don't know if I'm like all about that. I like it for her if that's like what her truth, passion and journey needs to be, but it's not mine. Right. Find what you need. Yeah. Yes.

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