Mention It All - The Gray Areas Of Reality TV Ft. Milly Tamarez

Episode Date: December 5, 2022

Milly Tamarez, comedian and co-host of the Betches Sup, returns to the show for a discussion about what makes a great Housewife. They talk about their excitement for the new season of Miami, and which women have try-hard energy. Later, Milly shares her feelings about the upcoming RHONY reboot, and why flexibility is so important. Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All, a Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, boo. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mentioned All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and today I am joined by one of my favorites.

Please welcome Millie Tameras. Hi. Hi. That is an honor to be one of your favorites because you've had a lot of great people in this podcast. Well, I'm above Heather Gay. I'm kidding. I, oh, my God. If I tried to rank everyone that I've had on this podcast,

hmm, oh, whoa, you would get canceled. No one else would come to that. I would, yeah, no, I'll be, I would be pleading the fifth on that one. But, Millie, how are you? How's it going? Um, it's going good. I mean, you know, I have, I texted you.

I was like, Dylan, I have thoughts. Let me on the podcast. Let me in. If there's one thing Millie is going to do, it's have, thoughts. Yes. Listen, this big hair is full of thoughts. Okay, so we were just talking before we got on the air about, first of all,

Real Housewives of Miami comes back this week. I know that you are a Miami fan. What are you feeling like going into this season? Yeah, I'm excited. Like, I like, I think the reason why Beverly Hills gets stagnant is because the alliances are strong and stay and it's consistent and it's always the same people against the same people. And what's exciting about a Potomac or a Miami is that alliances switch and flip and all of that. I'm excited because it's very clear that Larsa's, that Michael Jordan's son and Larsa

was a complete sham of a relationship. They've caught him with several other women already. It was simply for the cameras. So I'm really excited to see how they roll that out on Miami. I love Nicole. I think that Nicole can really handle her own. I'm not a Marisol fan. I think she tries to. I just hate, yeah, it's hard.

Like, have you ever thought about what makes a good housewife? Yeah. So what are your, so you don't think Marisol makes a good housewife, I gather. Yeah. So, and the same thing for Wendy, but there is like when someone, a good housewife can bring drama, just knows when to push, knows when to retreat, plays it off seamlessly like an Ashley Darby can really lean in, but she knows when to lean out. She knows when to let it go. She knows this and that. And I hate when someone looks very effortful.

Like they've rehearsed the line. Like they're gonna this and that. Like, you know, like I hate that. And that Marisol is very much like, who don't you trust at this table? And like, Kenya would never do that. Kenya would play a game that she would have like in Ultimate Housewives of the girl's trip when she played the game with and it only got to one round

with Ramona and be like who do you think is a horror on here or something like that? Like be creative with it. Don't make it like so outright and be like, let's play a game. Who don't we trust? I don't trust Nicole. It's like, no. If you're going to say it, just be like, hey Nicole, I really didn't like it, blah, blah, blah.

But I hate the effortful shit. I think there is a fine line between obviously sometimes it's fun to have a little bit of a messy game. But if you're pretending to play a game just so you can fight with people. Because Wendy, you brought up Wendy, it kind of gave the same vibe a few weeks back on the season when she, the burn session at the barn, whatever the fuck they were, when it's like, okay, this isn't an actual game.

It's just you're a framing device for us to fight with each other. And we don't actually need that because we'll just start fighting. Yeah, it's so corny because it's like, and also too, Marisol at least, like, she at least is kind of with the shit, so she's more tolerable. But the thing is that Wendy seems, is so, like, tries to be above it all all the time and tries to, like, have come on whatever. And, yeah, the framing device. And it's like, what is the conceits of this? So we say something, it's like, I don't like your hair. And then we burn it on fire.

In a barn in the middle of like the woods of Maryland. Like how is this going to go? Like what the fuck? Yeah, there are certain things. Obviously being a housewife and doing the whole performance of quote unquote friendship for reality TV cameras. It's it is manufactured in a way. But there are certain things where it's like, okay, I'll suspend my disbelief that you six that hate each other are going on a girl's trip and are going to do whatever. But there are certain things where it's like, I don't.

don't believe like normal people would never go to this winery in the middle of nowhere and play this weird game. It's like there are certain things where you're like, I'm not stupid. But also like, Dylan, would you think about your six closest friends? Would you play that game with your six closest? Would you go on a trip and be like, let's list everything we don't like about each other with our six closest? Like, you wouldn't do that. Like, no one would do that. Like, no one would do that in any situation. And if you don't like someone, you try to minimize

the conflict and just try to keep it light and stuff. You don't just go. So that's what I mean. And then, but then whatever, the thing that annoys me about her is that she's just like, I can't believe this happened. I can't.

We can't even go to a winery and play this stupid game without people fighting. Yes, you dumb bitch. Like on this week's episode of Potomac, they're at Karen's birthday dinner slash not birthday dinner. And, you know, like Ashley and Candace start getting into it. And Charisse is like, you know, it's really unfortunate that every time we're together

as a group, there's so much confrontation. And it's like, Charisse, please. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And like, speaking of events, I just, the celebration of life spring. kickoff event. Uh-huh.

Celebration of life, spring kickoff taco event. Yeah, you can't forget the tacos. That's important. That is a good... See, if we're going to be dumb, let's be dumb. Let's have a dumb celebration of life.

Spring taco kickoff events. We don't need... Or a family fun day with no games. But yeah, like, I think that's... I mean, again, I mean, I'm curious to hear who your favorite housewives are. But again, in Giselle, Giselle's just so good at this. Because she's just like, hey, but I feel like her and Karen are the best.

Like, I mean, they're good. They're like, you can tell they actually, they hang out off camera, you know? Like, they're hanging out, but they know when to turn it on, turn it off, whatever. And what I loved about Giselle is when Wendy was like, hey girl and she's like no I'm not hugging you fuck off and it's like yeah it's like you don't it's weird because it's just like Wendy hasn't navigated like what's on camera what's off camera how to turn it on how to turn it off and when to let go and all that yeah I think with giselle and Karen have a very rare relationship in housewives where they they know and recognize

and respect each other both as friends but also as opponents and as co-workers and, you know, just pillars of the housewives community. And I think with something like Giselle and Wendy, Giselle doesn't have that level of respect for Wendy. And they don't have that kind of, they're not on the same level in that way. Whereas I think with Karen, even when they've gone through periods where they really aren't getting along with each other or they're not really loving each other. presence, they understand how necessary they each are for this show and for this, you know, for the group. And so it's like, even when they're in their lowest moment interpersonally, they're still kind of keeping that baseline, whereas Giselle is like, Wendy could leave

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Real California milk by real California farm families. Potomac is great. And I think, I know you didn't get a chance to watch the episode last night, but you also mentioned Ashley is such a great housewife. And this last night of the Miami trip, Wendy has spent half of the trip banished to this hotel room. And, you know, Ashley, the last night in Miami just, like, kicks things into high gear because she's, you know, leaving the restaurant to call Wendy and tell her to get her ass over here. She's putting out that Candace was saying that Karen, you know, cheats on Ray. She's filming in the car when there's a fight going down.

So we have, like, the footage that Lisa Rina couldn't get us from Aspen. You know, like, I think with, with, when you talk about what makes a good housewife, knowing when to, when to really go all in, when to hang back for a second. I think Ashley is so good at that. And she doesn't necessarily always leave the, she's not, she doesn't leave like the biggest impression. She's not the loudest voice in the room. No.

But when you think about how she maneuvers and when she brings up the mess and, you know, when she kind of plays her cards, it's like, oh, that's really, really important. to the show. She's so strategic. And again, like, I think that's the mistake that Wendy makes is that she thinks that she has to be the loudest one in the room and to be, like, the biggest prominent person and, like, this performance of whatever. And you don't.

Like, you can be strategic about it. I personally, we're talking about Giselle and Karen. And the reason they have a mutual. respect is because it's both ways. Like they don't they have things they don't bring up. They don't go below the belt, whatever. And I think Wendy's mistake she came in and she was like, you know, holier than thou. Oh, I'm like gonna. I have four degrees or whatever. And it's like that's great. That's nice. But that's not what makes a house. You know what I mean? Like that's not the integral thing. So it was like I could see a lot of people had challenging moments with her. For me as a fan,

I never understood, I don't, you know, I don't like Rick and Morty. I don't like Star Wars. I don't, so like, I never understood how difficult it was, like, toxic fandom. Like, Real Housewives of Potomac taught me toxic fandom. Because, yeah, like, I'll enjoy, I'll watch it and I'll have an interpretation. And then I'm seeing these crazy things online by these crazy people who are just, and I'm like, This makes me not want to enjoy the show because people are like, the main reason why I wanted to talk to you is like immediately every time Wendy does something like there's just the colorism allegations. And it's like, oh, there's a double standard because lighter women versus darker women and all that.

And colorism is very real. It's a very real thing. There are moments where a darker skin person will do something and it's seen. more as aggressive or bad, you know. But I just, Wendy is not the example. Candace is not the example. Wendy's been a fucking bitch for three seasons.

They show all the clips. They show the clips of her being so rude and dismissive. She talks about, that's the thing too. It's like she talks about female empowerment, the whole burn book shit, whatever. Oh, female, this and that. She is the biggest slut shamer.

She sluts shames. quickly. She's single shames. It's all about thing. Mia, Mia fucking fucked it up for herself because she she got to like the whole you're throwing a drink thing also that conversation was so stupid because they act like she stabbed somebody. It's real housewives. Would I throw a drink at someone at a dinner? No. If I'm on real house like that is like the base level like entry level shit they do it on all the franchises. That is like the number one like acceptable reaction.

Not acceptable, but like that is a high likely thing to happen that you will get wine thrown on you. Like that is come on. So whatever. But basically Mia was like, hey you know, and Mia's like has our own problems with Mia's like if you're doing a

business deal with someone and you're going to their end of sit like send them a courtesy text. That's all she was saying. And when did you? was like my husband this and she goes so corny so and it's just so ridiculous and then she gets slut shaming and all this stuff and then goes below the belt and then doesn't stop and that's what robin was anyway so that's just my that was that's been my issue with the housewives like universe is like

it just immediately goes the discussion just becomes about you know oh and then there's people are like Wendy's such a queen everything she does she does such a read and I'm like what it's so effortful. Yeah, I don't know. And then I remember that many, many people can be wrong, you know. Yeah, I think, well, when you think about like the online community, it is really interesting because when you're thinking about people who are tweeting about housewives all the time or who have fan pages, obviously that is a very small segment of the overall population.

But those people can be very vocal minorities or, you know, obviously. obviously people just see things differently. So you can see people that are like so, you know, entrenched in their beliefs that, you know, every single thing Teresa Judice has ever done has been completely justifiable. And, you know, anybody who says otherwise has their head in the sand and is evil. But it's, I mean, it's just, you can experience it however you, however you do. And it is like wild to watch the exact same shows. and to know that people just have like such, such different reactions to things.

But I mean, in a way, it's like, I guess like I wouldn't be here right now if people didn't, weren't like passionate about it. So it is. Yeah. It's interesting to keep that kind of like two sides of the same coin. That it's like, wow, people are a little psychotic sometimes about this shit. But also then it's like, if nobody cared, there wouldn't be anything to talk about. There wouldn't be Bravo con.

there wouldn't be, you know, new franchises and... Mm-hmm. No, and I feel like on the opposite... So, yeah, Real House of the Potomac is when we're like, wow, the online conversation, the online discussion is really discouraging, and I don't want, like... But then Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, it's like, thank God for the online conversation,

because the way that these people treated Garcel and, like, would gaslight her and all this shit, like, and then going online and being like, I'm not the only person that sees this tour, were like, you know what I mean? Like for that, like, yeah, like, it is important, you know? So I get it. But it's just, it's just interesting.

Like, again, I think about what makes a good housewife? What makes it enjoyable to watch? What makes it not enjoyable? And, you know, what is at the core of these people's fights or disagreements? And, you know, a lot of the things, a lot of the things at the core, you know, there is some, there is some justification or some right things. but then, yeah, like, every time Wendy argues about something, I guess for me and like, whatever, I know I'm like just been talking shit about Wendy, but it's like every time she argues about something, like,

I really try to listen to like, what is she upset about, you know? And at the core of it, I'm just like, I just don't think it justifies, like, not this anger, but like, I don't know. I mean, personally, even last season when she was like upset at Giselle for bringing up the rumors. I'm just like, she was bringing up the rumors. Like, she even said in all those clips, she never was like, I really think it's true or anything. And also, yeah, Wendy did a noticeable chain. Like, she came in with the degree thing.

No one cared. And then she got a boob job in an ash, like a BBL. And then it was very dramatic BBL, very dramatic mommy makeover. And then people were like speculating why. And then she's immediately talking about people. You know what I mean? And it's just, I don't know. The idea of bringing something up on camera and whether that is in and of itself,

like endorsing it to be true, I think is a tough thing that has affected every franchise in one way or another, that it's like once you have this platform and are in some way celebrities on this show, but you're maybe not supposed to really acknowledge that, there are things out there in the world. And I think when you talk about Beverly Hills, we've seen over the last few years, them have so many things leaking while they're filming. And, you know, we already know half the storylines and all the stuff with Tom that was coming out. And so there is kind of this element of if everybody online is already talking about it,

then bringing it up on camera, it would be like weird not to in a sense because it's what's happening in the world. but then, you know, even going all the way back, like, to old days of, like, Housewives of New York, when they would be like, oh, well, they said such and such in page six. And it's like, oh, like, when this show first started, they weren't writing about you in page six because you were a bunch of nobodies. But now there's, like, this extra noise. And you always hear, like, the blogs and the streets are talking. And it's like, I think it's tough, especially the longer you stay on these shows or, like,

the more kind of noise that you create around it, it's like, oh, we, it's not like a self-contained thing where you just go away for three months and film in a little bubble. And then we watch the show. It's a ecosystem. Changing, breathing, living thing. And I, I mean, you see that? I, I had a chance to watch the first couple episodes of this season of Miami already. And like, that definitely is playing out, you know, all the Lisa and Lenny stuff that's, happening. Like, it's very public and not just in a way that the people on the show know about. So I think it's, it's, um, it's tricky. And I can't imagine having to be on one of these shows and to navigate that because it stresses me out just watching and thinking about it. So I'm like, yeah,

I don't want my shit in page six. Yeah, no, but I do think that adds another element to like, it does make it interesting. I don't know, because for me, it's like, It makes it interesting to watch, like, how are these people reacting? Because it does, when they film it in a bubble, but then you read stuff online, but they're filming stuff in a bubble, like, you know, and then it's also, it's also crazy just in general with celebrities. Like, what actually makes it to them, you know, because when Chloe Kardashian had those allegations, you know, those things about her photoshopping her body, she's like, you don't think I've heard like the body shaming or that OJ's not my real, or OJ's my real dad and stuff. I'm like, wow, that made it to her.

Like, you know, I, you don't know because they don't acknowledge it and stuff. So it's, it's, it's, I think that is an interesting part. And it also just reminds me, these are human beings and there's all these things, um, coming out about it. So it's, it's, it's, it's an interesting thing to see them react to the blogs or thing and in real time. Um, and, you know, sometimes the blogs and sometimes like, the thing is like, sometimes it's rooted in truth. Sometimes they break things before the other characters know and all this stuff. So

like, I guess with Giselle bringing it up or like in that case with Wendy, it's just kind of like, well, what's the nugget of truth? Like, is it all completely made up? Or is there a little nugget of truth that got exaggerated? Or are you guys not saying? I guess that was like kind of Giselle's intention of like, hey, I know this isn't true, but do you want to like talk about it? Because this is something that people are talking about. And instead, Wendy took that as like, you're just jealous because your husband cheated on whatever, you know? And like, that's where it's like, okay, like, you don't know how to play the game.

And it's very obvious. And like, it's difficult to watch, especially when you come against, you know, a Jazelle or a Karen who, like, know how to, like, play a game or disregard. You know what I mean? Or whatever. Yeah. It's interesting to think about comparing somebody like a Chloe Kardashian to people who are on Bravo shows, because I think in general,

the Kardashians are seen as like less accessible figures. You know, they're kind of in a different level of fame. But thinking about like, we like when housewives are active on social media and tweeting about the show and being a little shady and all of that stuff. But then there's also, it can kind of tip over into an area of like,

no, if I tweet about a housewife and I don't tag them in it or send it to them, I don't, that's not for them. That's for the Twitter community. And like somebody, I always think of Teddy Mellencamp as being just like chronically online in a way that doesn't help anyone, including herself. And like last week when she and her dad were on, watch what happens live together. I don't know if you saw. But there was a somebody had tweeted in response to I think it was like the official watch what happens live account somebody tweeted they were like you like two magas on the show and she respond Teddy responded to this fucking tweet and was like yeah magas melon camps are gonna always slay. But it's like okay first of all that's like it's not like a funny joke anyway like it's not like clever.

But also it's just like, why you're getting, you're the one getting booked on the talk show. Why are you on Twitter responding to these trolls who are just like annoyed about you, a show that you were on three years ago and have no actual impact on your life or your business or your family? It's just like, well, yeah. Let it go. Let it go. It's like on one day it's like you're right, let it go like as her PR manager, right? But as her social media manager, they were literally on Who Weekly they talked about Melissa Gorgas, chandeliers that are ugly as fuck.

Yes. And the comments are just filled with hate. Everyone's like, this is the ugly. This is ugly as shit. This house is ugly, whatever. But it's like, and then they were just talking about like, why do they leave the comments on? And it's like, because of engagement, because the algorithm pushes it up. Yeah.

because they can't, you know, they can't afford to turn it. And it's just, it's really fucked up. Like, you have to let in some, or whatever. So it's like, you have to, like, allow that. But do you as a person have to engage? Probably not. Yeah, I, I listened to that episode of Who Weekly 2. And I thought that was a very interesting.

It's like a good insight that it's like, yeah, if you're, if your whole purpose of being on social media, aside from whatever, you know, connection and community or getting. If you're trying to get brand deals and you're trying to get free stuff and you're trying to kind of up your, you know, analytics performance posting a boring picture of something in your house that's going to get, you know, a few dozen comments maybe if you're Melissa Gorga and people are just going to be like, love the house. Like that's not, okay, that's a nice post. Maybe you felt better reading the comment section. But if you post this reel of your chandelier, that look like, you know,

Cirque de Soleilie Boudoir de Mentors. And you're going to get like thousands of comments of people being like, what the fuck are these? You got more comments. It's right. Like it's just, it's such a different world. But,

you know, social media is like that. And you see people, I mean, like, I don't know if you ever come across these. I don't, recipe videos,

I guess is the word. But it's like these people that do objectively ridiculous food concoctions on social media. And the whole point is to get to, it's like clickbait. You get like outrage. Then people are commenting like, there's no way that you just put hot dogs inside of the pizza and then covered it in sauce. And it's like, it's like, yeah, that's not meant for anybody to eat. That's meant to get 10 million views on Facebook because people are sending it to each other. and being like, can you believe?

Yeah, but then it's like, what if all those people are now on TV fighting each other and trying to be, and then trying to be holier than that. Like, ah, God, it's just like, it's like, and also the read says this too, because when they were talking about like the Monique Candice thing, everyone's like, little girls watch our program and like, I don't want to give the rock message. And it's like, no one's going to the real housewives of Potomac for like role model messaging. It's just entertainment. Right.

It's like, it's nice sometimes if there's like, you know, somebody being honest about a health struggle or about something they're going through with their family. Like, yeah. Or like, I like seeing them in therapy. I really, yeah. Like, that's great. Like normalize talking about your mental health. Normalize going to get a mammogram or whatever the thing may be. but it's like, don't get that confused for us thinking that this is supposed to be like a wholesome show about our moral role models.

They're like, how dare you? Like, this is the example you set for little black girls and it's like, girl, please, please. Please. Nobody's like, it is not that serious. Please, please, please, please, please. Speaking of Monique and Candace, Candice was on Watch What Happens Live last night and I didn't even get to watch the whole episode. yet. But Andy asked if she talked to Monique at Porsche's wedding because I guess they were both

there. Yeah. And under her breath, Candice called Monique Pet Cemetery. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. See, going too low. Going to low and then wondering why you get drugged. That's what I'm saying.

Oh, God. But like, yeah, I mean, there's no justification for violence, but it's also like, some people you can't say shit about. I know. That's so me. How dare she talk about Tachala? That's fucked up. That's so fucked up.

But also, bird people, you should have known that Monique was going to beat the shit out of you. Because bird people are nuts. People who own birds are kooky. I don't know what to tell you. They're kooky. Yeah, we don't get a lot of, we don't get a lot of unique pets on housewives. There's a lot of dogs. there's, you know, probably not even that many cats.

But it's like, we really don't see, you know, nobody is on housewives with their pet. Guinea pig. Tarantula or whatever. It's like we had Tichala and we have Julia on Miami with her like 300 chickens and goats. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, Julia. Oh, man. Yeah, I'm excited.

They're like going to get a divorce or something too, right? That's like the, oh, okay. No, I mean, I don't think they're getting a divorce. divorce that we know of. There's like a little bit of a little tension, but also I feel like every housewives trailer, I feel like there has to be at least, at least half of the couples have to have one little flash of like a scene that makes it look like they're on the verge of breaking up. Like Gertie has one of those in this season's trailer too. And it's like, I don't think, I think they're fine. Gertie and Russell? No. I refuse.

Gertie and Russell. Her hot ass firefighter man. Her hottest firefighter man. But that's someone, That's someone, courteous someone, let me tell you. You get in on the ground floor. You see the potential and you're like, this is it. Like, I'm going to work on you. And I, that's so funny because, like, I totally have been that, like, I'm very outgoing and very bubbly. And I love, like, a very, like, reserved, quiet, shy guy. And it's just like, yeah, that's the dream to get some, like, really quiet guy who was, like, really reserved that's, like, secretly hot.

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Watch only on Prime. I'm curious to get your thoughts as a New York lady. What are you feeling about this new New York cast that we've been kind of seeing a little bit more of? We know they're filming. They just had a profile in W magazine that went out last week. Are you excited for whatever Roney is going to be? Yeah, I'm really curious because it was just so, it was so like, New York is like one of those cities where it's like

there's so much going on and there's like intersections of like all these different kinds of people with different class, different race and all that stuff which is beautiful and like that's what people love about the city but I feel like for so long Roney was just this very very very small subsection just in this in this one neighborhood like it was a big deal when they even went to Harlem

And Harlem's only 20 blocks away from fucking Upper East and West Side. They don't even go to the Upper West Side sometimes. So, like, I appreciate, like, the dynamics and stuff of, like, the Roney. And I, you know, and I watch, like, some episodes. But I'm excited to maybe hear about some people, you know, I don't know too much. I know one of them is the hot sauce girl. Uba Hassan, yeah. And, like, hear about her, like, how she used to be.

a model and all this stuff. But like, I'd be more curious. Like, I think it'd be fun to like see people in Brooklyn and Queens and all that and like I and like they're a little younger some of them, you know? So that's also a different because they have a different relationship to the city. And it's also like, it was just such a snapshot of what aspirational living was in that time period. But again, like, you know, there's aspirational living. And. like all of that in all these different circles and all around. So I'm excited to see a Roney that takes place like with a bigger landscape of New York City, you know? Yeah. I think one thing about New York is because it's so big and so obviously so many people and so many different

kinds of communities, it's like for some of the other Housewives shows, it might be a little more obvious like, okay, if we're doing a Housewives show in Dallas, this is kind of the, what the rich people in Dallas are doing. Like, not necessarily they always do an amazing job of, you know, representing the location. But it's like, okay, Orange County, it's going to be, you know, some, you know, plastic surgeons. Some, like, Newport Beach Milfs. Like, that's the kind of the vibe. Whereas with New York, it's like, you actually have to really think about where do we even want to look for these people. Exactly.

What is the vibe that we're going for? And you're right that with the original cast, the scope was so narrow. And it made sense that that was maybe like the entry point in 2008. But then now it's like, we can do, we can do a little more than that. There's more to see. And also like, you can just, I don't know, to me, it's there's so much potential. And I think some people are really feeling. pessimistic about it. And I understand that it's a big change and it might not be good. Like,

I'm fully prepared to watch this show and be like, yeah, this isn't working. But I also am like, I'm going to watch it. I'm interested. I'm intrigued. It can't be worse than seeing like Ramona and Sonia like have no scope for like, like that's the kind of thing though. It's like New York, a big part of New York is like it's really forward thinking, progressive. cutting edge kind of thing and like whatever you know it's good we're always going to show like rich people so it's going to be limited but at the same time like they were like Ramona doesn't like talking about sex like where you know what I mean and sonya's an alcohol like you know it's like it's so limiting and so thing that it's just like it's not it's not really a good accurate

representation of like what rich and also I think too And as we're talking about different conversations that people are having in New York, I think, too, like in general, I love seeing like different groups of people get together. Like, like on someone's birthday or something, or even a bachelor party where it's like two of your friends, high school friends, some college friends, some adult friends, and you all get together and it's all fucking a hot mess. and you're seeing like different slices of life and stuff like I think that's really fun like that's just going to be entertaining you know more entertaining than seeing romona learn about judaism or something like it can't be fucking worse than that I know I as much as you know Ramona's such an iconic housewife I you know good for her but when she confirmed that she wouldn't be on the legacy show I did just breathe a little sigh of relief because I'm

I'm just like, you know, enough. We don't have, we just don't have to deal with it now. And whether or not she would have been great, it'll be okay. We'll be fine without her. Yeah, we just, enough. Like, we don't need, we don't need to do it anymore. We have other things going on. The legacy show, yeah, it's interesting.

I like that, you know, like, I like, because there are always going to be people like, I wanted to go back to the old thing, you know? And again, you know, um, When we're talking about good characteristics of housewives, you know, a good housewife is adaptable. Giselle, they can put on it with anybody and she'll try to get, you know, different generations and this and that and her kids. Or like Kenya, Kenya is like can hang out with the old guard, but then she has friends like Latoya who are like younger and messy and all, you know what I mean? And like that was ultimately Ramona's issue. Yeah.

On top of being like MAGA or whatever. it's just like there's just no adaptability. And even like Heather Dubrow, I fucking can't stand her at all. But she'll make an effort. She'll be like, oh, you're the new young person on this thing. Let me take you to the horse racing or whatever. You know what I mean?

And like try where Ramona is just like, you're new, you're going to come into my world. You're going to behave in the way that I like and listen, you know, and like anything, a departure from that. And then that's, that's like a big reason why she's cringe. And like, it's hard. You saying that about Ramona also made me think of Vicky and the difference between Vicky and Tamara.

I think that makes Tamara a better choice to bring back to housewives is that Vicky always hated the new girl. She always was like, this isn't how we do things. This isn't how we behave. This isn't class. You know, whether it was real or imagined, she was always kind of being a stick in the mud about changes in the group, whereas Tamara is going to go with the flow.

She's going to give you what you need. She's going to get in there. She's going to play dirty. And, you know, that's what if you're bringing someone back, it's like that's what you need. And, you know, same with Vicky, it's like same as Ramona. She's iconic, great moments. Congrats on your career.

But it's like the future potential is so limited versus like somebody. like a Tamara or Heather even that it's like, no, you're going to be fine with whoever. You can play with whoever's in the sandbox. I mean, you know, not to get too political. I am a host of stuff. But it's like, I mean, that is ultimately the, you know, that is ultimately like a big divide between conservative, conservative and progressive and all that stuff is like people who are just obsessed with keeping things the way they are.

But it's like you don't have fun and you don't explore new avenues and you know and and Whatever about politics like politics has that you know obviously has has its way but it just as an inner like As an entertainer as a writer as a creator Even like yeah like on some shows that I've worked on and written on you know it's really challenging and limiting When someone is just obsessed with the the traditional way of storytelling of like there's what good guy, there's one bad guy, there's this and that, whatever. And it's just like, even storytelling and TV-wise, like, writing, it's just like, I mean, that's why White Lotus is so, you know, everyone's a little good, everyone's a little bad,

everyone's learning, adapting. What's this, like, divide, this and not? And, yeah, like, exactly, like, when we're talking about good and bad housewives, I'm like, it's to their detriment, too, you know, that Vicky and you have to be adaptable and you have to like progress it and yeah I I totally get like why no it's hard to watch it's hard to watch because it's just like okay you're just being mean to these girls who are like trying to understand and also like it's good to have new energy right it's not it's not their fault bravo hired them come on exactly and I think that was like yeah I wish we could draft again

And I wish we could drop because I feel like Ebony would do really well in Orange County. Ebony would do well in Orange County. That's interesting. I think so. Okay. Because she, because, yeah, and Noel, I still said justice for Noella. I feel like she could have had another season, but I feel like she could have done really well in another place too. You know.

But yeah, I think that ultimately those Orange County, like I feel like Noella wasn't equipped. like she was symbolic of this bigger thing of being the first black house or whatever but she's also messy and sloppy and like people can't deal with you know like the orange county like it's just too racist and all this stuff like you couldn't navigate that right so they just all piled on and dog down where somebody like ebony who can hold her own and be very like eloquent about telling you why this is wrong or what's this and not and explain things like they're no match to a jennifer is no matter to an ebony and heather would squirm you know with an ebony so yeah whereas noella could get along really well with romona like i could see them like having so much fun and all that shit so it's really interesting yeah some dress where i'm like i want to see you in different enviq because even mary i'm like i would love to see mary in Atlanta like she would they would fucking obliterate her uh like the the shit they say about Drew in Atlanta like Mary would not stand a chance but then you know she would go back to Salt Lake and

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