Mention It All - The Great Tres Amigas War Ft. Gibson Johns (RHOP, RHUGT)

Episode Date: January 8, 2024

Still reeling from Vanderpump Rules’ tragic loss at the Emmys, Dylan hits the studio with fellow Bravo socialite (ew) Gibson Johns. They get into the burgeoning feud between the former Tres Amigas ladies, and what it might signal about the next season of RHOC. Then, they discuss the recently concluded season of RHUGT, and why it only sort of worked. From there, they go long on this season of RHOP, which returned from the holiday break to little acclaim. Finally, they diagnose the problems of Beverly Hills this season, along with what’s working. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. It is Monday. It's a new week. It's a new day. We have lots to discuss. And so I am very happy to have with me in the studio, a good friend of mine and a fellow Bravo event attendee. We're on the circuit together.

My partner in crime, Gibson John. Hello, Gibson. Hi, we're Bravo Socialites. We're the Tins and Mortimer's of the Bravo Party circuit. You know, it's very like Rony Season 1 vibes. Very. Well, you know, we're at the gala's. We're at the parties.

The Kodak event. Where is the social register? It's right here. It is. It is. How are you doing? How are you existing in this time of Bravo? Good.

I feel like I was really overwhelmed like two or three weeks ago. And now I'm like, we're saying goodbye to some. We're starting to say goodbye to some of the shows. Kind of and I'm like, okay, with that. You know, I feel like I could, I feel like it was like a game to try to catch up on everything. And now I'm like, okay, I feel a little bit more settled in it. Right. I don't have to be like, wow, I'm four episodes behind on Winterhouse.

Is that bad? Right, right, right. Because it wasn't bad. Right, right. Because the show wasn't that good. And now it's over. So we don't have to think about it anymore. We're done with girls trip.

Like, we're getting to some of the reunion, some of the shows. Like, I'm feeling a little bit more like, okay, this is manageable. Yes. Yes. It's like, I'm so excited for the Salt Lake City reunion. but at the same time, like, I think it's good. And, I mean, I think they're going to be filming, like, next week at this rate. So I'm so curious what they're going to do about that. I know.

Like, it's like you either take, like, more than a beat or you, like, rush back in again. Right? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. From, just from, like, looking at the calendar standpoint, I feel like if they have a show that can go back into production very quickly, it's not in their best. interest to wait because it's like I completely agree who knows when like say Atlanta might be filming Atlanta New York yeah I know I'm so surprised that the New York girls didn't start filming in the fall really surprised it must be I think it's a probably Jenna lion sized hole in the

cast kind of situation that's what I'm thinking well before we get into some more interesting things I do just want to note that Vanderpump rules is not an Emmy winning show unfortunately it lost both its categories to welcome to Rexum which if you aren't aware is the soccer, aka football show with Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney, pour one out. Raise your glasses high and then pour one out. Yeah. I mean, like, I'm not going to sit here and be like that despondent about Vanderpumper is not winning an Emmy.

But I do think it's interesting just to like note the fact that this is the closest, like, a real like Bravo, Bravo show has gotten to award recognition. It's not top chef. It's not below deck. like a like housewife spin off got Emmy nominations. And they, we say all the time as like fans and fan accounts and things like that like give the editing an Emmy,

but like this is like an actual like moment where they could have gotten an Emmy. And like it's the, because it really is an art. I truly think that very seriously. And like it was being recognized in a serious way. And that's, even though they didn't come home with the statue, like I think that they should be happy to like even just get their recognition.

Because who knows like what sort of doors that open for like. Yeah. For like the Salt Lake City. finale or something like that. I'm just glad they didn't lose to selling sunset. That would have been insulting. A hundred percent. Like they didn't sell the houses. And like, yeah, totally. Like, we're not pretending that Emma's empanadas were better than... Is the cinematography on selling sunset sometimes breathtaking? Yes. Yeah, actually one of the categories was like, storytelling is going to know. Outstanding like picture editing. I'm like maybe selling sense.

Totally. The cinematography, you guys. But yeah, it's not as good of a show. So I haven't watched the Ryan Reynolds show, but... I watched the first few episodes, but they're like, long seasons. They've done two seasons so far and the first was like 18 episodes long. No, 18? Yeah. Girl. It's a couple of worst time for that. Okay, over the weekend though, also we had some

troubles taking place in the Real House of Lodge County universe. The Trace of Meagos are no more. Vicky and Shannon are hitting the road together across America and now Tamara is doing her own thing.

She posted At first, she just posted a picture of herself and said, Uno, and I was like, oh, that's badass. Right. She's like, one Amiga. And then she goes... We get the same reaction. She goes, dose, a picture of Teddy.

And then she goes, Trace, a picture of Emily Simpson. And now they're doing a live show together. I'm like... Which is so random. Like, I have come to a point where the, the Tamara and Teddy thing doesn't phase me. We accept it. Totally. Exactly.

People like it. They're popular. It's not for me, but I'll tap in. when I feel like I should. Right. Like the two T's have stuck around. They've earned their spot. They're not like some, you know, Housewives podcast that they do for six weeks and then get sick of.

What does Emily Simpson have to do with anything? I would love to know. And maybe that's a clue for where things stand in like the group, you know, for next season, you know? Like maybe Tamara and Emily have really hit it off since the reunion. I don't know. Like were they really good friends on that? They weren't really good friends on this season.

They got a little closer. Does it tell us something about like where Gina stands in at all? Like why is Emily being roped into this? Yeah, I feel like Tamara coming back on O.C. was in a little bit of a season of like exploring her bonds with the women in the cast. Obviously she had some stuff to work on with Shannon that seemed to be going better and now obviously is going much worse. You know, she had stuff with Heather that was kind of a little bit bumpy. But it did it didn't feel like she came out of.

that season as like besties with Emily. Definitely not. It does seem like a little bit of a jump. But obviously stuff has transpired since we last saw the Orange County cast. Yeah. And Tamara's also really savvy. And she, I mean, I think Emily generally speaking kind of won a lot of fans this season. You know, like she became maybe not the fan favorite, but like fans like latched on to her and away that they hadn't before.

So I think Tamara's also probably recognizing that because she pays attention to that kind of stuff. Yeah. I think, I mean, for the most. part, everybody with the exception of maybe Shannon had a pretty good season on Orange County because it was sort of a rising tide with Salt Boat situation. But like, Emily and Gina are not like the new girls on OC anymore. Not everybody is going to love them. But like, aligning yourself with somebody like Emily is actually a pretty decent bet at this point. I totally agree. I totally agree. They need to get filming.

I think they need to get feeling. There's so much going on. I'm so curious. And I'm curious why they haven't started filming. Yeah, I don't know because... Is it the holidays? There was so much going on. Like, when Taylor announced her departure, I sort of assumed, like, okay, the first group event's going to be, like, tomorrow. I'm wondering if they hit a snag with, like, a Lexus or something.

You know what I mean? Like, I wonder if it's like a Lexus. We're bringing you on as a friend. And she's like, well, now I'm dating John fucking dancing. You're going to bump me up to an orange. I mean, that's just total speculation, but I'm like, what could... Because usually an announcement like Taylor's comes right before they jump back in. Right.

Like, contracts have been in the... male. And that was early December, right? Like, that was a while ago. Yeah, it's been, it's been a minute. So. Yeah. Interesting.

Please just let, let O.C. not go off the rails this season. Right. Yeah. But yeah, the Trace Amegas, no more. Yeah. It's like cyclical. It's like clockwork.

You know, like, that's, and I don't think it's that calculated and like, okay, we got like, but it's like, they know that it's probably going to loop back around in a year. Yeah. It is interesting. So I feel like the, the vibe on social media. at least coming from Tamara is a little more scorched earth than maybe it's been in the past, where I agree. I think it was really notable that she tweeted a reference to January 6th, not being a good day for Vicky.

Because that was sort of the singular thing that Vicky was the most offended by that Teddy had said about her. Where was she on January 6th? She brought this up at BravoCon. They did not squash their beef. it does feel like Tamara is kind of burning the bridge versus just like we're not good right now. Yeah, I think you're right. She hit her where it hurt. Yeah.

And she knows it hurt. I don't know. I mean, I guess if Vicky gave this ultimatum about not coming back to the show as anything but a full-time housewife, like, if Vicki's off the show forever, then I don't, I don't, there's never going to be a storyline. There's nothing in it for Tamara. I mean, yeah, the only incentive for Tamara is like making money on a Trace Amiga's tour. You know what I mean? Like that's like what it is. She is cutting off that that kind of source of revenue.

I was going to say the only incentive is like human connection with some she cares about, but that's naive. I don't think that factors into the equation for Tamara Judge too much. I know. But then you wonder on the flip side what Shannon's thinking, right? Yeah. Is it because of just the genuine human connection that you just brought up or is it like Shannon's kind of going all in on trying to get Vicky a spot on the show?

I don't know. Yeah. And then now that they're on such bad terms, apparently, like, is Tamara going to be BFFs with Alexis this season? Is that what we're careening toward? And then Shannon's just going to be like in shambles at every event? Right. And then maybe they need to give Shannon, Vicky.

You know what I mean? Like, and maybe Vicky was told there's no spot for you because the Trace amicus were in a good spot. But now there's all this drama. So maybe there is a spot. I don't know. I'm talking in circles. Okay.

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Own the dream. Okay, so I feel like OSE, it's safe to say there's a lot of like momentum going into filming for this season. Something with the last momentum, I think it's safe to save was girls trip this season. The Roney Legacy trip to St. Barts, it was six episodes. One episode less than each prior season of girls' trip. I checked because I was like, that felt quick.

I don't know what happened in the edit for this show, but it seemed to me like they cut a whole day out of the trip. And the ending of episode six, which was the finale, felt very abrupt. There was no kind of like saying goodbye to St. Bartz. And for something that was framed as this kind of like one-off reunion of this iconic cast that you know everybody wants more of, it just kind of like, it went out with a whimper, not a bang. I agree. And to me, it started strong. I watched those first three episodes and I was like, yes, like the girls are back.

They're kind of up to their old tricks. You know, we're talking about on pause. And Kristen's kind of a nice revelation to come back. has not really changed much. But I agree. Like then the, with each subsequent a week, it was sort of like, okay, you know, and I, and I, yeah, and it's not like a, I'm so glad we got the season. But I totally agree the ending was a little bit lackluster. And like there was one up, I think the pen, penultimate episode, like nothing really happened. You know what I mean? It's just sort of like drama free. Yeah, it was, that was the episode where I think the big drama was Kristen's

toenail. Yeah. And they showed it way too much. And then in the final episode, we got a long time of them doing this water. A long time. A exercise thing where... Drone footage and everything. I was like, that was like a fun thing to hear Sonia talking about how like hers is the only butthole that was clenched. But like it did feel like the last, for the first four episodes, let's say, like,

even if the drama was maybe going in circles a little bit or felt a little bit repetitive, there was stuff happening. And then the last couple episodes, it was like, oh, we kind of just ran out of things to say. And I think that, you know, at the end of the day, it speaks the fact that Bravo made the right decision when it came to New York and this group of women, would I watch a trip like this once a year?

Yeah, probably for five or six episodes. But it's clear that, like, you know, there aren't enough new dynamics at play with our OGs of New York that would fill out 14 or 15 episodes. of a regular season. Yeah, I think because, like, with the show like Orange County, there have been people that have stayed on the show for a really long time, but there's been enough, enough new energy within the cast that even the people

that have been there a long time sort of have to, you know, get with the program and switch things up a little bit. Whereas I think with Roney, like, it just felt like, you know, by season 13, you had gotten to this point where it was like, okay, we're watching the same movie over and over again. And this trip was kind of, it kind of was a reminder of that. I think sometimes absence makes the heart grow fonder. And it's like, okay, yeah, this, I'm glad we got to see them all. I think there is definitely potential for some of them to do other things or to be with other people.

But it's like, we don't really need the Luanne and Sonia and Ramona and Durainda show again. No, I know. And it's sad to admit it, you know. Right. I almost feel bad admitting it. But like that is kind of, to me, like kind of the objective takeaway from the end of that season. What do you think about about Kristen's potential future on Bravo? She lives in L.A. now.

Obviously there are, you know, a couple different shows happening in that neck of the woods. Is she somebody that you would like to see in a more permanent capacity or maybe on a different girls trip? That's an interesting question. I don't see her on Beverly Hills. I don't think that would ever work. Oh, see, like, I guess, like, potentially. It's hard because she, I really liked her on this season,

but she was kind of stuck with, like, rehashing old things from years ago when, honestly, she didn't make as good an impression back then as she did now. Yeah. But, so I guess it does give me, you know, some sort of, like, hope that she could work on another show. I would like to, I just, I would like to share with the different group of women. That's what it is, I think. and but I don't know if I need her for 15 episodes. Maybe another girl's trip.

I think she, I'm sort of thinking of when Taylor Armstrong was on the Berkshire season of girls' trip, where it was somebody that we hadn't heard from or really thought much about in a long time and sort of, where are you now? And Taylor, I think really thrived on that season. I think Kristen, under the circumstances on this season, kind of thrived as much as someone could in that role. You know, she weathered Kelly calling her a fan and a narrator and a author. I don't know.

Like she was throwing a lot of terms. But yeah, no, she kind of reminds me. A couple years ago, there were like some rumblings that from Ladies of London, Marissa Hermor, who lives in L.A. now was like in the mix for Beverly Hills. And it was like, I mean, I guess. The hot dog queen. But it's, she's one of those people where it's like, it's not that she gives you nothing, but it's not, she's also not somebody that I'm like, oh, she would slay on Beverly Hills. Right. She sort of would play probably a similar role to like an Eileen Davidson, but she's like less glamorous and she's on actress.

Or crystal a little bit. Yeah. And it's sort of like, I guess I could see it. But it's sort of there's like a lack of like to me, Beverly Hills are just like sort of this group of like giants in terms of just like their presences. And I don't really get that from Kristen or Marissa. but like I think on OC there is a place for a personality or like a presence like that. Yeah, it's a little bit of like Megan King energy. Totally.

And I do think Kristen handled herself really well. And she very, she's pretty good at TV. She's pretty good at like the confessionals and she stands up for herself and she asked the questions at the dinner table. So she has it in her. I actually, yeah. And I think that she was doing, she was playing an important role of that like slightly outside person who knows enough about. what's going on to kind of know the the buttons to push and the questions to ask. And as much as Kelly was, you know, annoyed at Kristen playing that role, like, I think the show would be so

boring without it. She gave her something to play off of Kelly and Kristen. I think that actually one of the things the show is missing was like just an extra one of those. Another one of the one season, one or two season of one were people. You or somebody, somebody said online that I thought was like a great idea was like if a Viva had shown up halfway through that trip. That wasn't me, but that's like that would have been fantastic. Something like that would have been. They needed like an exciting. They needed like another X factor in there.

Yeah. And that's why I'm like, okay, I would watch another season if they did promise, promise us like another returning face that's unexpected. Yeah. But I ultimately like Kristen, you know, up in the dining area for her neon party alone for like an hour before they were all coming down. Like, that's sort of indicative of sort of how I felt she kind of always operating on this show sometimes.

Yeah. Sort of like on an island, like with nothing to do. Right. And especially being, she mentioned a few times the only married woman in the group that she liked to mention that. Okay, so you're inviting 40 single guys to the house and I'm just like floating around. And I'm the one who could like engage in like a regular social way, even though I am married. Sonia's wasted.

Dorinda's like in the pool. And Kristen's like, okay, so I'm just making small. I'll talk with these like 28 year old guys that live in same part. Oh my God. It was fun to watch. It was fun to watch. It just dragged.

Seeing like this guy go up to Kelly and be like, oh yes, I was the wait there at the place. And she's like, oh. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of another show that is unfortunately, I think, dragging a little bit this season,

Potomac came back this weekend from a double holiday break. They were off two Sundays in a row, so it's been three weeks since the last episode of Potomac. And I think that for a season that already feels like it's struggling to get the wind in the sails, God, it felt when I saw like a clip from last night's episode before it aired, and it was like, still in Austin, they're doing blah, blah, blah. I'm like, still in Austin. It's the fourth episode, but because of that extended break, it feels like it's been two months.

They've been there for six weeks. And they aired against the Golden Globes. Like, it's just, it's not working for them this season, unfortunately. And I will say this episode, I actually enjoyed myself watching more than past episodes because it was more fun. Like they were, like they made me laugh during the weird painting thing. They made me laugh during the drag show. And that to me is what has been missing from Atomic, which is the humor. But like it still feels like we're beating the same dead horse about, you know, everything, basically.

Yeah, it's tough because I like seeing them have those moments of levity where everybody is just kind of on. the same page of like we're doing a fun activity. Especially I think Karen is sort of the one person in the group that everybody can be happy about right now. Even I love Karen being like, Robin, I would love to get to know you better. It's like baby in season eight. It's been a decade. But it does feel like they haven't this season been able to balance those rare moments of fun

with light shade and fun drama. and like interesting dynamics, it just feels like it's either going to be fun or it's going to be Giselle being like, fuck Candace, fuck Wendy, no, never,

we're never getting back together. And it's like, that you've got to give us, I know, to give us like an inch of something to work with. And it's so frustrating because to me, it's not just Giselle. It's like,

it's like back and forth like every which way. It's like, you know, Candice is kind of refusing to engage with Robin and Giselle, and Giselle, and then Wendy is in there too. And then, Wendy with NECA.

And it's like, there's all these like stalemate, basically, relationships. And so again, we're left with Karen and also Ashley, who I think is still kind of willing to mix it up. Like we saw in this past episode where she like, she refused to not get in Candace's car. Even though the car ride was silent to me that spoke to Ashley's willingness to at least like try to make something work. And so it's sort of like everyone else is not really playing the game in the way that they're supposed to be playing it.

Right. Ashley is doing is doing the necessary thing of like, even if we're not going to make up right now or have some heart to heart or be able to joke with each other, I'm not going to be the one who's making it impossible for us to co-exist. Yeah. I know that she gets a lot of criticism online and some of it is justified, but I also think that that gets lost and that like she is really good at her job in that way and she always has been in my opinion. Like, yeah, there's like things that she avoids, kind of skates around talking about and things like that. But ultimately, in terms of being a housewife and like in terms of the

group dynamic. I think that she's still doing what her some of her co-stars are not willing to do. It's funny because this season of Potomac, I think most people would agree is probably the weakest season they've had. And so there's been more talk about, is this finally going to be the year when this foursome of OGs that's been so, you know, steadfast on this show, is it time to shake that up a little bit. And I think I've seen like every possible iteration of like I think this is Ashley's last season or like they've got to get rid of just selling Robin or like like the grand dom time to it's like nobody can agree. People feel so strongly, but nobody feels strongly in the same direction of like what change is needed. Which makes it really hard to predict like obviously I mean this was only

the eighth episode of their season. So we like halfway through. We have a while to go. So it's not like people are going to be, you know, getting fired tomorrow. But it is interesting to even think about like how would they make a change. I know. And it's one of those. I think you bring that. Like, you're right. Every kind of solution, quote unquote, has been brought up.

And to me, it speaks to the fact there is no clear solution. I feel like a lot of the times in these situations where it's like, okay, they can just pluck out X, Y, Z person. And like, that's the clear answer kind of objectively. But in this case, it's like, you know, you can take out Robin and. Wendy and then you clear up two spots or NECA probably but like then it's like you still have Giselle and Candace who refuse to engage with one another but maybe coexisting is enough for them. I don't know.

It's it's this weird thing and you know, I think I've always sort of lauded the show for having four OGs for so long. It's this record. It's like I think they should be proud of it. It's really impressive. It speaks to the original casting of a show, all these things. And their willingness to mix it up over the years. But like it makes me also think of like Salt Lake City where we have.

the sort of core four again, and it's been four seasons for them. Just keeping four original people around for eight seasons, is that almost like too long to keep them around? Because now they're kind of all operating under this, like, they have a lot of, they have power and they can be like, I'm not filming with that person. But if they're all saying that, you know what I mean? It's sort of like this, it's an interesting thing that has never happened before on Housewives. Yeah. And I think Salt Lake obviously is the obvious comparison with the kind of core four that we have right now and seeing them, you know, they've been on the show half as long as Potomac. Seeing what happened in the finale of that show, it was this kind of rare moment where something

outside the four of them happened to make them all be on the same page in that situation. But then if you take Monica out of that equation and then next season it goes back to, you know, Heather being mad that Lisa is not, you know, nice enough to her. and Whitney feeling like there's weirdness from her and Heather. It's like, okay, then we're right back to where we were. Exactly. Exactly. You know. And that's why you can't really just take like Wendy and Candace out of the equation because like, you know, I think especially Candice, like, she's kind of really solidified herself as sort of part of the DNA of the show as well.

And, you know, again, if you take her out, I bet you those four OGs would be so down to just be like, all right, goodbye, Candace and Wendy. But like, but like that's not what's going to happen. And there's no way. Yeah. It's, it is strange because they haven't, aside from Monique leaving. they really haven't lost a lot of cast members. I mean, like, Katie is on her own journey. Cherise is still in the picture sometimes.

But, like, there, it's, Potomac has never really had this, I, this vibe of like, oh, we bring in someone new. If they don't work, we get rid of them. It's like, Candice, Wendy have both really, and Mia. And Mia. And Mia. And it does feel, especially because their cast this season is so large that it's like to, to make a change that. felt like an actual shift in the direction of the show, you're probably looking at getting rid of like three people.

I know. And I don't think it can just be Candice NECA. And you know, you can't kind of say like, oh, we'll just get rid of the three like newest ones. But you also... Wendy Mia, Nica. But you also can't really get rid of like Rob and Jazele and Ashley

because like they mix it up. Like I think you can get rid of like one or two of them, maybe. But like it's just hard to envision a real househouse as a Potomac without at least. At least two of those, geez. You know what I mean? It's a really wild thing to think about. It'd be a new show in some ways.

It's so strange that it's because we've just never, we've never seen that show. They've never done a big mix-up. They've never have. And it's also like, it's a, you know, real housewives of Ptoecto real housewives of D.C., you know, in terms of like where they cast from. So like there's a wide net for them to have. It's all of Maryland, D.C., and Virginia. There's a lot of women out there that could be on this show.

So it makes me excited for what a season nine could be because it would be. I think, you know, we're inevitably going to get some sort of refresh. You know, either it's half or whatever. But I'm excited for a fresh New Potomac. I just, it's going to be kind of a different show than what we've been watching for the past seven or eight years. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

I think we've taken it for granted a lot of the time, the consistency. It's going to feel like the New York group, I think, in some ways. Yeah. Yeah. Because we're just so used to watch in the same people. I'm stressed. I know. I'm stressed about it too because I really genuinely.

there's things to like and dislike, I think, about all of them. And it's hard to get out of the group think of the online conversation around it because that leans like very much in one direction. But I think that sometimes it gets lost that like, okay, would the show really work with out Giselle and Robin and Ashley? And it's just like, you know, Karen, Candice, Wendy and like whoever else. I don't know what that looks like. Randomly, I feel like this season is giving me more appreciation for Mia.

than I've had in the past. I totally agree. Because she sort of is existing on a separate plane from the drama, from the feuds that feel really just kind of stuck in the mud. Yes. I feel like Mia is on her own journey that is low-key quite interesting. I agree. And I don't know exactly what's happening. She's posting with a ring.

Like I don't know what's going on there. Even at their BravoCon panel, she went from saying that she was like single basically at the beginning to then like referencing her man. And it's like... She is an enigma. Mia, baby, what's the status? She's definitely an enigma. And, like, I agree.

She's like, she actually, I'm not giving her enough credit. She is mixing it up a good amount. But I just wish she wouldn't, like, follow Jaze Robin and Ashley out of the room every time. You know what I mean? Like, I wish that, like, she would stay at the table, like, once in a while to, like, show that she's still connected to the other women. She doesn't do that very often. She doesn't really, it feels like she doesn't, she doesn't, like, exist on her own that much on the show. Like when obviously the stuff that's going on with her and Gordon is a personal storyline and I'm

And maybe that's maybe how that plays out will sort of give her that moment. Yeah, but it doesn't feel like like if we just like started a scene, started an episode with like Mia waiting at a restaurant for somebody to meet her for lunch. It would kind of be like, oh, this is weird. Whereas like if you look at, say Salt Lake just because we're talking about it, it's like, oh yeah, like any of those women I feel like are kind of like, equal participants in the pie. Yeah. And it's, I don't know what it really speaks to,

whether it's like, because to me, like, Mia, like has some, like, star quality. Like,

she's like, she makes me laugh unintentionally and intentionally, which is a quality that I really like in a housewife. But I think maybe it's because sometimes, I think the season's, it's been a little different. But in the past, you kind of feel,

you kind of felt like she wasn't being totally up front and totally honest about. Yeah. What was going on. So that, I think is sometimes my blockage with her. But I hope that that, I think, this Gordon stuff, she has an opportunity to really be fully honest and like be really up front about

everything that's going on in her life. Right. Like she could have sort of like a Phoenix rising from the ashes. A thousand percent. And she could totally win me over. And not that I'm against her. I just I haven't been one over yet. Right. And it's never, I think because those OGs are so strong, it's never felt like her show at all. No, no, no, no. And even like on Salt Lake this season, I feel like by the end of the season, it really felt like Monica and Angie. shocker of the century that I'm saying this about Angie that like I was just as interested in seeing Angie's reaction to stuff as I was like Meredith and Lisa and

that's a good parallel because it's sort of like in some ways Mia and Angie have both sort of operated under this like this is how House Lives are supposed to right they've studied the playbook and they do they try to make a sunglasses exactly and Mia brought the what she bring to last reunion like was it was it post her board or something. She did something. And I'm like sort of like, okay, she's, she kind of has done the same handbook that Angie is playing by. But I think by the end, she has an opportunity

to have an Angie moment where it's like, wait, we kind of like her. Wait, like she's kind of iconic. So good, so good. So good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, frame and free people. Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts. Shop New Arrivals. first and more. Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free. Great brands, great prices. That's why you rack. Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all

night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear up on that envelope. It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. The Angie 180 that I feel like we've collectively done this season, it's kind of wild. Really wild. And I don't know when it happened. I don't know. It was slow. I think it was, I think actually one of the moments that I think really people responded to was at Whitney's jewelry party with the sound bath

when Lisa and Monica were fighting and Angie was stuck in the middle in that in the blue nuclear body suit which we need to ban from housewives Wendy in the same one yeah but like when she's like actually Monica

that's really offensive because I'm older than Lisa and also I'm trying to enjoy the sound bowl like it was when that was a good moment it was when she kind of seemed like she was just as like in the thick of it as the rest of them. Because I think coming in like Salt Lake has had trouble casting women who really feel like they gel with that group. And like I honestly believe that Angie, she like, it feels like she belongs there just as much as the rest of them. Totally. And it's, yeah, there are a lot of parallels between Salt Lake and Potomac now that we're talking about it.

And I don't know. I don't, again, maybe, maybe, I think it is kind of maybe a casting thing. I don't know. It's like sometimes in these more suburban places, it's like, like Jersey, there was a couple years where they had trouble casting. Now they're on a role. Right. Until Rachel and Danielle and Jen Fessler last season, they had to had a few years where they were just kind of false starts. Totally. And so I think that there's something to be said about sort of the actual location impacting some of these actual dynamics. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the answer is for Potomac. I hope we don't have to say goodbye to too many of the OGs. Like maybe it's like, we say goodbye to some people and then the production company has like really hard conversations with some of them being like you either engage with each other or you're out. You know what I'm, yeah, I am a fan of sometimes like taking off the reality hat and putting on the like, you know, conductor hat and being like, look, this was tough to watch. And Jiselle, you are,

you are an important part of this cast and we would like to keep you around. But like, you're going to have to speak to Candace. They're not the show. Right. Exactly. Right. Like the Jacks Taylor sit down. It's like it's not your show.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. And it's sort of like, yeah, there's just so many stalemates. It's crazy. Like in last night's episode, it was Candice and Robin and like kind of mutually. Candice was like, I'm not talking about that. Robin was like, okay, I'm getting out from the table.

Oh my God. Robin's storming off from the table like two different times in the Austin trip. It's like we get it. I know. We get it. And then she FaceTime's one. And like Candice has trouble. still has trouble owning up for like her reckless words online and yeah it goes both ways but like

well it's tough also because as much as i'm not on board with how robin has handled things i also don't really want to listen to one yelling at her on the phone definitely not oh my god please i mean he he has really why you why you make it a difficult robin had the opportunity of this season to have kind of a great season she had the storyline she had the storyline she She had the thing people wanted to hear about. And I think that she, at the beginning, was kind of game to have those conversations, but Juan kind of set her up to fail. Yeah.

And it's really disappointing because, I mean, we've seen him talk to her over the years in disappointing ways, but like this year especially, it's like, Jesus. Like that phone call they had when she was in her hotel room in Austin. And it just, again, she, he doesn't think of this as like she's bringing in a lot of money for their household. Right. She's in her eighth season at the housewife. She's making some good of money.

And this could have been locking her down for a couple more seasons if they had really engaged in this. But you can't recognize that for some reason. Right. Like seeing the way that you know some husbands are able to sort of like grin and bear it a little bit when it benefits the storyline on the show, I feel like with most couples that have been on the show for a long time, we've seen some degree of that, whether it's like Tamara and Eddie or Melissa and Joe kind of like, even if it feels a little performative that it's like, oh, well, you know, of course I don't think you were cheating on me. It's like. At least they're not shutting it down.

Right. And it feels like seeing them have the conversation, even if it's a little bit like stunted. Like when Angie Kay brought up the rumor about Sean hooking up with men. And it was like extremely clear that this was not the first time this conversation had been had. Not the greatest actors in the world. But they're like, what do you mean? But we still got the conversation. Right.

We lost without Sean and Elektra. Right. Lost. And yeah, it's, it's, unfortunately, for Robin, put herself in this position of, like, potentially having, being the star of the season and having it be all about her to a point where it seems like her kind of on the, like, it could go either way for her, I think. But then it's like, does she even care? I mean, I don't know.

You're making six figures on a housewife show. Like, do you want to, like, not have that coming into your house? I don't know. It's tough. like, I don't know, she had the deck of cards. Like, you know what I mean? And I really think won did her dirty in multiple ways. Yeah.

Before we wrap up, I just want to get like a quick pulse check on Beverly Hills because it came back from its, it was off for a week over the holidays, came back last week. We got the Denise and Erica confrontation part two that felt like we had already seen it on social media. How are you feeling about this season? just kind of like from a, from like a bird's eye view. Yeah, I, um, it was a weird last episode, I thought, because we got like a really long lunch between Garcel and Dorit.

That was really off and awkward and like, from both sides, honestly. But generally, I'm, I'm, I'm appreciating that this season is not what we expected to be in terms of like, what I thought it was going to be all about Kyle Maricio and, and, you know, we weren't sure what else we were going to get. And we are getting some, like, moments, but none of them are sort of like sustaining themselves. It's sort of like we had like a Kyle and Sutton thing that will probably continue here and there, but it's not like the central thing of the season.

It was Erica and Denise for an episode or two. It was, you know, we're kind of getting like grab bag of things. And I'm curious if it will all come together in the second half of this season. I don't dislike it. It's just not what I expected. And it's a little unusual. Grab bag is a great way of putting it. I was thinking it.

It feels like they are trying a lot of different things, which I can and do appreciate, but that there isn't a lot of, the quality threshold is not that high. That there's, it doesn't feel like they had a lot of great stuff to pull from. So they're kind of giving us everything. Yeah. And, you know, for example, seeing that conversation between Kyle and Kim, I thought was amazing. And something that we have wanted for such a long time, seeing three, four, five scenes of Sutton on her dating journey.

We don't need that. Unnecessary. And it does feel like if they had better stuff this season, they would have used that instead. So I kind of feel like they're a little bit like getting to the bottom of the grab bag. Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, Beverly Hills is historically been kind of like a, at least in recent years, past like four or five years. It's been like a single issue.

That's so true. It's been a single issue show, right? It's like every season is like about something. It's about Erica. It's about Denise. It's about, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's about Denise and Brandy.

It's about Puppiegate. It's about all the, it's like, it's a one issue thing almost every year. Yeah. That's maybe why it feels so. That's a good point. You know, that it almost feels like there's too many different storylines happening, which it feels like that's not something we would complain about on almost any other show. But with Beverly Hills, it feels like we're used to kind of having a little bit more of like an arc.

Yeah. And I wonder, I mean, obviously, an obvious answer for that the season would have been Kyle and Maricio and Morgan. Yeah. And I just wonder why it's not that, you know? Yeah, I do think. So the official, when they announced their separation was at the end of filming. Yeah.

I think after the end of filming. So it's almost like. It can't all be about that. Right. Like I'm, I'm thinking like, okay, so do we get a whole episode at the end of the season that's that or is that five minutes at the end of the finale? I know. And if the latter is the case, then.

Do they acknowledge that they're separated prior to that on the show? Because, you know, they announced they were separated over the summer, but like they weren't saying like we separated yesterday. Right. And it's also still been this sort of weird thing since then, the past six or seven months since then of like, you know, there have been little things here and there that feel like updates. But ultimately we're kind of stagnant. We're still, we're still separated but not getting divorced. That's the party line. this episode when

when Kim was like, I assume you're not bringing Maricio to this wedding. It's like, why do you assume that? Why do you assume that? Exactly. And yeah,

and I actually think that like, in some ways Sutton kind of dropped the ball at that dinner party in terms of like when she was questioning her about it because she, and I understand why because it's a really tough thing to ask about in like a respectful way, especially with like the Morgan of it all kind of folded in and like, but she couldn't be specific enough.

And she was very vague when she was like, what's going on with your marriage? What's going on with your marriage? Is there something you want to tell us? And Garcel had to step in and be like, it's the ring. And like that's actually kind of besides, I mean, that was an element of it. But like that was sort of there are other sort of more pertinent questions going on. Because then it became a whole thing about the ring. Exactly.

And that was the wrong issue. And it's like, nobody gives the fuck who's buying your jewelry. And that's not why we're talking about it. Right. So that to me was like sort of a moment of an inflection point of like we tried to get it to be about Kyle Maricio. it was kind of like a, you know, she had her answer for that question about the ring and like, where else do we go from there?

I wonder if Sutton is a little bit reticent to be kind of like the Nancy Drew of the group after going through that with Erica for so long because I do think as much as that is kind of a big part of why Sutton became such a big player on the show. I think she really likes that she and Erica are mostly good now. Because I think she's really intimidated by her. Right. And like aside from the Vegas elevator stunt that Erica pulled,

it does feel like Sutton likes being on good terms with Erica and that they, she thinks they are like fun friends. I think Garcel does too. Yeah. That little girl's night they had was really fun to watch. That was fun. I loved that dynamic.

And like I feel like Sutton maybe sees the writing on the wall a little bit of how Kyle is like the star of the, show in a lot of ways and that she's like, yeah, I don't want to do that for a whole another season. Right. And they, and ultimately I do think that there's an element of their off-camera relationship that we never really gotten to see.

Like, I think that there's a reason why they fight like sisters because they go from being really close to like fighting kind of at each other's throats. And, you know, I think that she's, I think in Kyle's mind, she kind of did cross a line this year. But I think Sutton doesn't, regrets crossing that line probably in some ways. Right. It's a genuine friendship of hers that she probably wants to protect to some capacity. She just loves her some call.

That was a good impression. I like that impression. Thank you so much. This has been such a pleasure. So fine. Thank you for being here. Always so fun. Tell everyone where they can follow you and listen to your show.

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