Mention It All - The Hair Heard ‘Round the World Ft. Jordana Abraham (RHONJ)

Episode Date: May 24, 2023

In a post-finale, pre-reunion fugue state, Dylan and Jordana sit down to recap Teresa’s Jersey wedding special, which felt curiously low-budget. They get into the major plot points, including the handling of the Gorga situation, Margaret’s muddled choices, and the dorters’ joint confessional setup. Later, they discuss what to expect at the upcoming reunion. Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Betches Media presents. Ha ha. Laugh. Funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer.

We're going to check me, boo. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer, and I am excited to be back with Jordana in the studio for another Wednesday talking about Jersey. Hey, Jordana. Hey, Dylan. So good to be back in person.

Very exciting. Yeah, I'm excited to have you here. We have a wedding special to talk about. Oh, yeah. It was an hour of TV. The wedding special was great. I mean, I wasn't here last week. I know you had Jen Fessler on.

But last week's episode, I also, as I was watching it, I was like, I wish I had an outlet to discuss all my feelings about this. Last week's episode was pretty explosive. Yeah. I could imagine while I was watching it that you would have a lot of thoughts about the situation that unfolded at, what's his name? Pauli's. I was forgetting to. He's so quiet. Sometimes, you know.

He's like, Polly obviously was around a lot this season, but he doesn't leave a strong of an impression as like Louis made. Yeah. I feel like they tried to create a lot of drama around him and he wasn't really like, he wasn't really like engaging enough to like really make it a thing. It's interesting in the reunion trailer for this season though, Dolores reveals that he's not legally divorced, which is not something I think we were aware of. So that I'm curious to know the situation. Like the two of them are not legally divorced. No. Oh, he's, oh, he's not legally divorced. Right. Like, Polly, not Dolores for sure reason.

Married, which is interesting because Dolores and Polly talk all the time about, oh, like, he's already looking at the ring. It's going to happen. Whatever. Our, our favorite interloper Nicole Greco Pippis at the wedding is like, am I going to have another wedding to go to next year? Let me know if I got to buy a dress. Yeah, there's a lot of comments from everyone about Dolores getting married like all season. I mean, Jen, it seems like they're both into it, but you would think they would have taken care of this other thing.

I think now that Teresa is having this, like, giant wedding, like, everybody else is going to feel like they have to do the same thing. And it's like, you don't. Dolores seems like a little more low-key than that, although I guess the Prohibition Party was not low-key. That is true. Like, I can't imagine Dolores having nine bridesmaids. No, right. She seems like, it's weird because she, like, she's low-key in some ways and then, like, kind of like, showy and others. or like, you know, once.

Yeah. I think she likes like Jerseylicness a little bit, but doesn't like, like bullshit. Yeah. I don't think it's going to be like the Teresa level wedding, but I could see her doing, I could see her doing like a destination if I,

you know, if I'm imagining it. It's interesting the way they pivot from the like regular jersey finale. Obviously, lots of drama going on. And then they frame this Teresa gets married special as like, basically just a bonus episode of, this season. So it's like after the finale, the confessionals look different. We have these weird

gray backgrounds that everybody's on. All the daughters have confessionals together. Teresa and Louis are in the chairs. Yeah, quite a bit. It was, it's, it's interesting because we've seen like wedding spinoffs before where it's like, okay, like, you know, Nini's wedding thing is going to be on its own show where like Bethany gets married. But this is just like, we'll give you one episode. Right. It did seem like a little, like they didn't really invest that much money in this, in this last, like you said, like it wasn't its own series. The, even the cards that were like the, like, welcome to Teresa. Like, you were invited to Teresa and Louise like drinks before the wedding. Like it looked kind of like last minute thrown in. It didn't look like highly produced. I've designed more impressive things on Canva. You definitely have because I've seen them on the, on the Bravo account. And even on your own story, too, they look like much better than literally. It looked like it was. was like word art. Yes. Yeah, they were, I don't know. Like, the aesthetic choices of this special were interesting because I'm like all the daughters just wearing white in the confessionals

was a very, I don't know, the daughters looked kind of harsh to me. Like I just, I didn't like the lighting for them. No, the lighting wasn't good. But then Teresa and Louis just together kind of having a platform to speak as much as they want is always a little bit of a minefield too. Like when they're telling the story of him proposing to her in Mekanos and she's like, yeah, the Greek people don't understand English. So they started the fireworks too early. Right. You're in Greece.

Well, also, it's like, you're in the most touristy part of Greece. Also, it's pretty easy, like, visual cues of, like, when he gets down on one knee, that's when the proposal is happening. Yeah. There's going to be a ring. There's going to be, like, a hug. Like, I don't know. It's when they have, like, just a free reign to talk about things, it can go south.

a little bit. I agree. I also think like, I feel like Teresa had like in order to let allow them to film it, she like had certain stipulations. And it kind of, that's why it came off like a little almost like, I think they tried to make her like as look as good as they could. Right. This was one episode where like the edit is a little biased on, on purpose where it's not like, oh yeah, this is a group of women. It's like, no, this is Teresa's. For sure. And I mean, whatever the edit was, one thing I will say about it, I have like a lot of critiques. But one positive thing is they seem like extremely in love. And I don't think that there's anyone who can deny that they are like obsessed with each other.

Yes. And I think that's like people, people think that being critical of Teresa or of Louis is the same as like not wanting them to be happy. Right. And I think there's a difference between like he seems like a guy that might have some kind of sleazy stuff going on. And like I think Teresa deserves to be. alone forever. It's like, no, like, I'm, I'm happy. They're happy. I just hope nobody's going to go to prison in the future. Right. Yeah. I think that's a great comment. Because I'm like, I'm not like, I don't think the situation's like black and white. She's not

evil. She's like, I think she has a lot of like really positive qualities. And it was nice to see her happy. And it did seem like she did feel, it did feel like a redemptive moment for her after all of her like legal Joe Judey's issues. And you saw like how kind of clearly not in love the two of them were. So it was nice to see that for her, even if I don't always agree with everything she does. And even if I don't love the vibe of him saying, she loves me for even my faults. And she goes, well, there's not much. And he goes, well, I pee sitting down. It's like, I don't care. Right. And that's also not your only flaw. And I think anyone who watches the show can see that quite clearly. Yeah. It's like there's some footage that we've seen over the last couple of years. I think it's

interesting because I feel like he's one of those people who like, if you, you just had like a little, like his first season, I think he looked better, like last season. And it just kind of goes to show that I think the more footage you have of someone, the more of like a full picture you get. Because if I had just seen last season, I'd be like, here's this guy kind of bringing in like a relaxed vibe for Teresa, not like telling her to be less activated, trying to like smooth over situations between her brother and her daughter. Yeah.

But I think the more footage you get of him, the more you're kind of like, this feels a little more toxic than I thought. Yeah, it's funny right now. I'm rewatching season one of Vanderpump Rules and recapping it with Sammy on the on Fridays. And like some of the episodes, it's like, wow, it's funny to watch this now having 10 seasons of material to contextualize it. Whereas like when this was the first time I had ever met Tom Sandoval, it's like, oh, that feels different now. Totally. You get such a different picture of people, which is kind of the beauty of these shows and also of reality TV is that especially the ones that are like over the course. of, you know, that have 10 seasons. You've been watching these girls grow up also. It's so interesting. You get so much context that you could never get with anything else where you really feel

like you know them. Yeah. I think going back to what you said about how this was kind of a clear choice to have, Teresa and Louie as like the protagonist of this special, we don't see Joe and Melissa on camera at all in this episode. They're referenced a few times. We see like the screenshots of the things. that they were posting that weekend.

But I think it's obviously a purposeful choice that there's not like a second camera crew at the Shore House with Joe and Melissa. Like there might be if this was just like a regular Housewives episode. Yeah, it definitely seemed like a Teresa edit. And like you said in that way. And also, I mean, it just, it seems like there was an agreement

that there was going to be like very little discussed about them or at least like they were going to try to minimize it. And to me, maybe that was like why Gabriella was crying. because it just seemed like a very strong reaction because it wasn't like people were screaming about anything or like people were really dramatic. It was like just the mention of him was getting her very upset, which I thought was weird.

Well, I think it was interesting to watch kind of Jennifer Aden be the only one who really was like doing any housewives stuff on this show where like the day before, you know, Gia was telling Jennifer that the only thing that stressed her mom out about planning the wedding was the situation with Joe and Melissa, which I'm like, bullshit. Like, you planned this ginormous wedding and the only thing that was stressful the whole time was your piece of shit brother. Like, I don't quite buy that.

But, you know, Jen is talking through that. And then the next day, of course, Jen is the one who, you know, she apologizes for ever telling Danielle the rumor about Melissa because then that caused so much drama. And like, I sort of appreciate that Jen is giving us like a little bit of storyline to work with this episode. because I do think, you know, wedding special is nice and lovely and whatever, but like, I want a little bit of something else going on. I kind of agree.

I also think Teresa, although she said she was like not mad about it, I think was still was actually pretty pissed off at her. Yeah. Like maybe that was more off screen. Yeah. But the way that she accepted the apology seemed like she was like camera ready to like put it to bed to accept the apology because it was like her wedding day. Right.

Even when she got the gift of like the thing with the locket with their parents or whatever it was, she was like, oh, this is great. Yeah. She was like, thank you, Jennifer. Now go be a bridesmaid. Right. Like, even I thought it was interesting that Priscilla, the makeup artist, who we see, you know, on the fringes of this show over the years and they are really good friends in real life. Priscilla kind of bringing up like, wow, so your only brother is not coming and it's like, that's not your job today. Like, shut up and do my makeup. Someone's buying for a spot on this show. I have wondered for years if Priscilla like wants to do this more because she's she's always around. She's worked with a lot of different housewives.

And it is kind of interesting. It's like she probably talks to Teresa more than half of the women on the show. So I would watch a special episode or I don't know about series, but episode with Teresa's trainer. Teresa's makeup because she was also like quite verbal quite a few times. I think like the makeup artist who does the housewives would have much more. interesting things to say about them than any of them would reveal. There's a few of them. I think they should have a panel at BravoCon where it's like the women behind the women.

And it's like makeup artists, hairstylists, trainers. Like those people know where the bodies are buried. And I'm sure they're NDA'd to hell and back. But like, come on. I love that. Yeah. I would definitely watch a special. They could make a lot of money.

Yeah. There's Priscilla's the big one like in the New York area. She does Ramona. She does a bunch of them. And then on the West Coast there's glam by Pam. and she does like Shannon Bador, she worked with Denise Richards. Like she does a lot of the like Beverly Hills O.C. Housewives. I'm like, these two women, I need to tell all.

I love that you are so knowledgeable about this extremely niche community. But that's what you do. That's why you do what you do. Don't you dare ask me anything useful. Like if you need information about like taxes. Like absolutely not. But I can point you in the direction of who did Shannon Badoors. in makeup. It's amazing. The rehearsal dinner looks nice. I looked up the venue. It's in West Orange.

I'm like, it's cute. Like a little wine cellar. It's a nice dinner moment. Seeing Louis's dad is funny. It's, it's great. He's a recovering alcoholic who's eight years sober. And I, in his speech when he says, you know, when I go to the big casino upstairs, I feel good that Louis's got this woman to take care of like, wow, the big casino upstairs. That tells me a lot about a person. Yeah. I haven't heard that one before. It's fun to get like a little more like color on like the surrounding characters in people's lives. Because obviously, like, Teresa, we know everybody in her circle for a decade plus, but it's like... Well, it's funny.

I thought I knew everyone in her circle. And I'm not like as deep, probably in the ecosystem as you are. But when she was like, my bridesmaids are and then she was like my best friend of 20 years, what was her name? Rosanna. Rosanna. I was like, what? You have a friend that's not on the show? I wonder if she was like a Dina replacement because Dina Manzo didn't come.

Good point. I forgot about the absence of Dina Manzo. Yeah. And even I noticed one of the pictures, when Dolores is like, Teresa and I have been friends for 40 years, one of the old photos that they showed, Dina was in the photo. And like famously, Dina and Dolores now don't get along. And I'm like, someday this needs to be unpacked on camera for us. That I would, I need to know all of the information about what happened with Dina. What happened with Dina and everyone? Because I feel like Dina has had a lot of, you know, with her sister.

with her brother, like with the whole, I need a whole, I need a whole Manzo, like, documentary. I just saw it. Caroline Manzo said somewhere, like, specifically that she didn't call the FBI, but she knows who did, it's very like, did Meredith Marks call the feds on Jen Shaw? And it's like, no, but I could have. Right. I mean, is that how these things work? Is that how people get in trouble for these things? Is that someone close to them turns them in? I don't know. I don't know. I'm kind of like, I would just assume you were like sloppy with some paperwork or something and that's how the, or like you got audited or something.

Right. I mean, famously I don't. I'm not an expert on the legal system, but, you know, maybe. I always wonder. So good, so good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, frame, and free people. Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first, and more.

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Perhaps my favorite article of clothing that's ever been worn on Bravo. How many of those do you think they sell? I don't know, but it's very, I was saying it's like, very Paris Hilton 2000s, like Von Dutch trucker hat core. Yeah. Like the rhinestone tank top. And I just need to know more. But what did you think about the daughter's reaction to any mention of Joe on the big day?

You know, the daughters seem to really dislike Joe and maybe Melissa more than Teresa is, or at least more than she's expressing. It almost seems like, because she keeps saying they're very protective of me. protective. It's like, I'm not sure like she's like and to me very protective. It would be necessary if it was like Teresa was like so, you know, naive or blindly like letting people take advantage of her, which doesn't really seem like her style. I just didn't really, I don't really understand. I feel like there has to be more to the story. Yeah. Why the daughters are so angry at Joe and Melissa. Yes. I agree. I think I totally get that they are protective of their mom in a sense that it's like we see that she's being

hurt by this person or this relationship and so we want to like shield her from that especially on this happy day I get that but it does feel like there is this unspoken thing that it's like there's so there's so much like hatred right in from specifically from the daughters toward Joe and Melissa and I'm like, I don't really feel like we see anything on the show that warrants like that level of dislike. Yeah, deep feeling. Yeah, even the fact that she's just crying

at the mention of his name. To me, I'm just like, whatever information we have doesn't explain this. Right. And I don't say that to be like, I think, you know, Gabriella is stupid and Joe is great. It's just like what we've seen to me

doesn't quite compute with the level of reaction. And it's, I mean, it makes me sad if these girls are like, you know, have that much angst about this situation that they can't emotionally handle the mention of this guy who, like, factually on paper, both is their family member and also is heavily involved in this TV show that has been their mother's life for 15 years. Like, Joe Gorga's name is going to come up sometimes. Like, I get if you don't want him to be like the main thing.

topic of conversation on your wedding day, but like he hasn't fallen off the face of the earth. Like he hasn't gone away. The relationship has just deteriorated. Right. And it's like I don't understand what he's done to them that makes them feel. Or even to Teresa. I can't like pinpoint one. Like if you had to say like why do you dislike Uncle Joe so much? Like I'm trying to picture what they would say. Yeah. Is it like that she's not supportive of my mom's relationship? Like I don't think that like that would be something a teen, a teen girl would be like. I would be like. like so upset about their uncle for. I think that there's a lot more behind

the scenes with Joe Judice and maybe like, because those girls really love their father and they feel really loyal to him. And I think you see that like throughout the seasons that they don't, they're very protective. Not maybe, Teresa says she's protect. They're protective of her, but I actually feel like maybe they're more protective

of their dad. And maybe like there's some stuff behind the scenes with Joe Judice and Joe Gorga. And I wonder when the, remember when they saw each other? in the Bahamas. I wonder when that was in context to this filming. It was after, because that was around when this season started airing. So that was more like beginning of 2023, and this was August of 2022.

But I agree. I think Joe Judice is an interesting piece of the puzzle, who obviously for legal reasons, has been largely absent over the last few years. But like, even on this episode, you know, Teresa was saying how. if my mom were here, she would be so happy because she didn't want me to be with Joe. And she says stuff like that sometimes where I don't necessarily doubt that that's true. But I almost wonder knowing how much the daughters are protective of their father and do feel that like closeness with him. Why Teresa has to say that. I agree.

It doesn't really seem to make to drive. It just a little bit like you're divorced. He can't even enter the country legally. like he's basically out of your life in almost every way. He's not actively co-parenting with you. You're not seeing him on a regular basis. Like you're getting married to somebody else and like everybody knows that you're happy now. Like you don't, I, the kind of.

You don't have to justify. Right. The urge to be like, well, before I was with this like, you know, beast of a man who's so horrible. And now I'm with the perfect guy. It's like it feels like salt in the wound almost a little bit. Well, I think that's sort of indicative of. And again, I think they're very much. much in love. So I think there's a lot of positive things about this relationship. But I do think that

like, psychologically speaking, it is a toxic trait of a relationship to have to say that every, like to say that every relationship prior to yours for both of you was like this really negative, really toxic thing. Like that's a toxic thing for your current relationship, like mentality, because it's sort of like based not in reality. Like, and I agree. It doesn't really seem necessary that she would do that. And it's also like it just it feels very Teresa in some ways because she always when she was with Joe, she pretended their marriage was perfect and everything was great and she was so attracted and love. And then now she's saying she's sort of telling a completely different narrative as she does. It actually to me is very similar to James Kennedy on Vanderpump

Rules where last season we literally saw him proposing to Raquel. They were engaged. They were happy, whatever. And then this season, he shows up with Allie and he's like, love of my life, best girl I've ever been with, never had sex like this before. Right. Never loved anyone like that. I've never loved anyone like this before. And it's like, I on one level believe that you believe that in your head right now. But just from an outside perspective, watching the footage unfold, you seem like somebody who is really just kind of going whichever way the wind blows. And like now you're focused on. on convincing everyone that this is the best thing. Like a blind loyalty to whatever situation you're allowed to leave one relationship and then be

happy and another one. Right. It doesn't mean your other one had to be unhappy. Had to be like the worst thing that's ever happened to you. You kind of see that a little bit also with Sheena in Vanderpump Rules when she's not only talking about like her wedding with Brock and how like it's so much better than her wedding last time because it wasn't good and she didn't, you know, and think that. But even when she was with Rob, she was like, this is so much better than my.

She's like, I finally found a real man. Like all, yeah, it's, I think probably a lot of people have the tendency to do that to a certain extent. But then like these TV cases, especially when we have watched both relationships, it's like, you were saying you were happy three years ago. Right. Like, give it a rest. You're trying, I mean, I guess it also makes sense. They're trying to tell a story for the cameras.

So we get to the actual wedding. It's beautiful. It's lovely. The hair. I loved seeing like one by one. people walk in the room and like really carefully try and control their reaction to the hair, that it's like, oh, wow. I love.

Oh my God. Like Jennifer has to do it. Dolores has to do it. Even Louie has to kind of like be like, oh, wow. The hair. It's exactly. It's so funny. Like everyone had to use their own euphemism to like not talk shit about it.

But also like not say that they really like even like you said, even Louie was like, you know, with a hair. Like, it was what she wanted and that's beautiful. Dolores is like, Dolores is like, I, it's gorgeous. I love it. I just wish it wasn't up so high. Right. There was no one who really said anything that was like completely pro it besides Teresa. And you know what?

That's right. It's her wedding. Yes. She liked it. That's how I felt since the first moment we got those hair pictures. It's like, is it a little bit ridiculous? I think objectively. Yes.

But like, that's what she wanted. And I'm glad she got what she wanted. She's happy. Yeah. That's amazing. I agree. And I mean, I'm happy it didn't start any trends. I guess we'll see in this summer wedding season.

If all the brides now have the Teresa look. I do love that she's like, well, I told Lucia I wanted half up, half down. And she went to work. I mean, it's really like the best possible marketing for this hair person or worst. I guess best or worse, depending on how you think about it. This is, you know. I think it depends if you're a believer of all press is good press. Lucia has never gotten that much press.

But if it's something that people are going to call her and ask her to replicate, I'm not sure. Right. That's true. Well, unless they know, she can do it. She can't do it. Even if no one wants her to do it. She could be a structural engineer. Seriously.

It's like when you have to build a bridge with like toothpicks and like marshmallows, it's like she did that with hair. Exactly. And I mean, Margaret was like the only one who I think was like blatantly like it was something going to fly out of there. Doves. She thought they were going to be doves. All new drinks are now at McDonald's, with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refresher and the mango pineapple refresher with popping boba to crafted sodas like the Spriteberry blast with berry flavors and cold foam. Who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire?

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I mean, it would be, it would make sense. It would be weird if she did. didn't get to know any of the other housewives. Yeah, I was actually, I was surprised. Like, we know Ramona was invited because she posted it all over Instagram. I, I guess she didn't end up, uh, end up making it. But like, you know, she went on girls trip with Cynthia and Kenya. So that was nice to see them there. Like, yeah. It's a little bit, it's always funny when housewives get married. And you know that there's like a little part of it that's just kind of like, we're doing this to do it. But then also it's like, yeah, like, these are people in her life.

I don't know if Chanel Ayan is really in her life. It felt like in a, like she's having a big wedding and she invited everyone except for Melissa's family. So it kind of did make sense to me. If it was like a small wedding, it would be weird if they were there. But it made sense that they were there. And also that they like had like one second of interaction with her, which is what they would actually. If you have to think about like your co, you're like kind of like you're friendly with some coworker that you've worked. Right.

Adjacently to for a while. And you invited them to your wedding. You would say like a quick hello, but you wouldn't really be hanging out with them. I, I went to a wedding. a couple weeks ago where at the beginning at the beginning of the reception the DJ kind of did it as like a fun thing where he like timed them

the bride and groom like running around to every table to take a picture with the table. Yeah. So then at the end of the night at the very least you have one photo with every table. That's funny. It's not a bad idea. I mean it's not. Yeah. So like you said Melissa, Joe and her family are not in attendance. Rachel Fuda also decided not to go

which I thought was interesting. Margaret and Jen Fessler did attend, but they left basically at the beginning of the reception in a supposed show of solidarity with Melissa. I think both of them, I mean, I talked to Jen about this. Jen didn't seem like she really wanted to leave. I talked to Jen about this and she was kind of like, yeah, that was a stupid decision. She was like, if I was going to go to the wedding, I should have just gone to the wedding. It's like, I can be Melissa's friend on Monday. Like, I appreciate that honesty because I felt the same way. I was like, either don't go or go. Like this half going is almost more insulting. Right. Like making the choice

to attend the wedding and staying long enough that you're going to be in photos. It's like you were there. Right. Yeah. Like you're not fooling anyone. If this is a loyalty thing, then don't go. If it's not a loyalty thing, then just stay and be normal about it. Right. Like your loyalty at the end of the day is not going to be judged on whether you like danced the night away or left after cocktail hour. Right. And Melissa doesn't seem like the kind. Maybe she is the kind who would be like, I saw you dancing and the footage. So, like, you're not, I mean, maybe she is. Who knows? But like, to be honest, I think Melissa is enough of a reality TV savvy gal. I don't think she begrudges any of these ladies wanting to go get one more episodic fee. Right. I agree. It did kind of seem like Margaret was, you know, like trying to make it a little bit about her. Yeah. I don't disagree. I think as much as I

like Margaret and I a lot of the time see her side of things, it's a little bit like, just shut up, and go to the wedding. Right. Or don't. Or don't. Yeah. I did. It was interesting also.

She's crying. She sees Jill Sarin at the ceremony. First of all, Jill's like, you look like you lost weight. This is a good weight on you. And I'm like, Jill, please. But she says, she asks if her mom is there and she said her mom didn't come basically because Melissa's mom didn't get invited. Okay.

But then it's like, Melissa didn't go either. So it's like, just, I don't know. Didn't make any sense. I think that's the kind of thing where it's like, at a certain point, it's just a wedding. either go or don't, but like choosing all of these kind of like political moves. Also like for someone who's trying to show that they're not too supportive to be like hysterically crying, just her and Louis, as they've said, the only ones crying during the ceremony. To me, it's like it seems like you're more into it than the average guest.

But she said that she was crying because since Joe wasn't there, she didn't feel like it was as happy. That didn't make any sense to me. Even though Joe and Teresa haven't gotten along more than a few days out of the last five years, it was a little strange, but also like I thought it was a little shady for everyone to be like, wow, nobody cried except Louis and Margaret. It's like, I feel like at a normal wedding, you're like, oh, everybody was weakly. It was so emotional.

That's true. I did think it was like, oh, is that like a sign that no one else is like as into this as as Louis or. Margaret, maybe. How do you feel about like joky vows to do the like, you know, in in makeup smudges on your white furniture, in never being on time together? I think it's a little cheesy, clearly. I mean, like, and, but I did kind of show me to some extent that like they are really close with Louis sisters because she did seem to like know them as a couple pretty well.

So I was like, okay, like this doesn't seem like you're trying to use them necessarily as much to get back at Melissa by. showing how much closer you are. Like, it does seem like you have developed a pretty strong relationship with these people. Yeah. I think the fact that that Louis's sister was officiating kind of made it a little more like, okay, this is like family ribbing on each other, not like we gave like the pastor this like list of things to say.

Yeah. I thought it was like kind of nice. And I mean, I did think like it was kind of cheesy like a little whatever. But I also think weddings are cheesy. And so sometimes like it's, I allowed it. I think it's okay. I agree. I like things.

the fact that this is like such a produced like televised wedding event, the fact that there are still things that show you that it's like a real person's wedding with like kind of those like dumb traditions and like silly family things. And it's like that's like what a wedding is like. Yeah. I thought they were cute. And again, like I think this couple has their own issues. Yeah. But it seems like they couldn't keep their hands off each other. Yeah. The last thing that really happens seemingly while they're at the cocktail out. and Teresa and Louis are maybe trying to have sex in a room upstairs. We start to get a lot of push notifications going off about tabloid stories about Melissa and Joe,

posting, whatever. Joe specifically has on his Instagram story written, Blood doesn't make you family. They're down at the shore, living their best life. I remember when this was happening live, it was chaotic to be online. I don't know. I mean, I feel like it's at the point where, like, I almost, wish we got to hear from Joe and Melissa in this episode just to kind of like contextualize that. I'm

sure we will at reunion. But it's like it was a weird like out of context. I think it seemed a little petty and unnecessary. Yes. Even if they weren't going to like attend. And again, we don't have his side. But from what I saw. And again, I'm usually to be honest, more team Gorgas. Yes. But I thought like it was just like it's not nice. Yeah. Even if you're like be a little bit like take the higher road. If you're going to go do your own thing. Go do. your own thing. Try to be like low key. I would have said if I were like consulting the Gorgas on their strategy around this, I would have said if you're not going to go to the wedding, no matter how much you hate Teresa and Louie right now, even if even if you would love to burn it all to the ground,

don't post on Instagram on the day of the wedding. Just like, just like let your story go dark because anything that they posted on that day was going to be interpreted as a response or a, you know, you know, trolling or making fun, you know, anything that was pretty blatant. And, obviously, they chose to expressly, you know, reference it. So it's the kind of thing where it's like, I just think that it, if, if this is a game of, you know, points on either side, it's like, I don't win you any points. Yeah, definitely not. I mean, it is also like, this is your sister.

Like, again, you can have, you can dislike her, not want to speak to her again. but like I wouldn't actively try to do something negative to her on her wedding day. It seems like, again, like as much everything else like just let just just do nothing. Yeah. Anyway, we got we got a three part reunion coming up. It looks like a banger. Yeah. I loved the, because I had missed that in the trailer, the clip that you put up above her saying like, I can't wait to never see you again.

She's like, why were you going? I'm very excited to see that. Yeah. I mean, there's there's obviously other. stuff to talk about besides Teresa and Melissa, and so I'm excited for all of it. But it really does feel like this kind of final battle royale of like for the future of this franchise, kind of like, what direction is it going to go? And obviously, we don't know yet, according to some reports. Casting doesn't know. Like, they haven't really figured it out yet. But over the course of these

three episodes, I think it's going to be extremely interesting to see kind of like if it feels feels like the tides are shifting in a certain direction. It's also really funny to see like Teresa's, it's almost like she saw the thing with her huge enormous hair. And now at the reunion she has like short hair. Yeah. So did she watch that and was like going the opposite way? She's like we're going for sleek.

Yes. I wouldn't say sleek is really like Teresa's look. Definitely not. Like the big hair, it's what we love her for. Yeah. You know, she is who she is. Well, we made it through the wedding special. Mazel to Teresa and Louie.

It does seem like they're very happy. Yes. And I'm glad it was one episode. Same. I don't think I could have done too much more. They got a lot in for that. They got a lot. Yeah, it was fun.

It was a tight. Even the speeches. Yeah. The speeches were great. The daughters kept it together. You know, good for them. Good for everyone. Jordana, thank you so much for being here with me today.

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