Mention It All - The Hills Are Alive… With The Sound Of Gaslighting Ft. Taylor Jackson (RHOBH, RHUGT)

Episode Date: July 14, 2022

Betches’ own Taylor Jackson returns to the podcast, and this time, it’s not even a pity invite. She and Dylan recap Jen Shah’s guilty plea, and Taylor has an idea for a new show starring Ms. Shah. Then, they recap RHOBH, with an in-depth analysis of why Diana isn’t working on the show. After that, they discuss RHUGT, and whether Brandi could ever come back to Beverly Hills. Finally, they share some takes on Dubai. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention it all. A Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. We'll go and check me, boo. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mentioned All podcast.

I'm Dylan Hafer, and I am thrilled to be joined in the studio. Once again, by Senior Content Manager at Vetch's Taylor Jackson. I love the little senior you put in front of that. This is my third show. guys I'm thinking that Dylan actually enjoys me. You're doing the mention it all hat trick. I'm doing the mention and all hat trick. And this time I don't feel like it was a pity invite.

It wasn't a pity invite. So this is gross for us. It was only a pity invite the first time. Yeah, the first time he's like, shit, I went through my whole list of co-hosts Taylor. She's not going to be doing anything. And I wasn't. I mean, you're like back and forth though. Sometimes you're at the shore.

Sometimes you went to Spain. The shore. you're not always like getable. I know. I'm kind of a hard. I'm a good catch to book. Especially in the summer. Especially in the summer, baby.

Haven't seen you around these parts in a while. You haven't. Guys, I literally don't come to the office so often. I got here today and I was like, yo, I wasn't even logged into the Wi-Fi. Dylan had to share the password. I literally, we're sitting next to each other. Me at my desk, her at just a desk. Yeah, it's not even my desk at alley.

I was sitting at you. And I get the notification pops. up on my phone and my computer. Do you want to share the Wi-Fi password with Taylor Jackson? I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Sorry, I'm a home buddy. But I am excited to have you on today because we have a lot to talk about. It's been a packed week in the Bravo world, starting off Monday morning with the news that Ms. Jennifer Shaw is pleading guilty to wire fraud. She has taken the plea deal. Jenny girl. The trial was supposed to see. next week. It will no longer. She could get, her sentencing is in November. She could get up to 168 months

in prison. And then there's like fees, restitution, all that millions of dollars. I, my Monday morning, though, was so hectic because we were having like a Betches volunteering event at like a community garden in Brooklyn. It was a really nice little event. I know you had like a training. You had to go to. So you unfortunately weren't there. But I am, let me paint. the picture. It's like 10 a.m. I'm in Williamsburg Greenpoint somewhere literally holding a drill. We were making, you know, in like a community garden, there's like the wooden like frames around like the garden beds. We were helping like construct some of the like sideboard. So you know, you're like cutting like these pieces of wood and then like drilling them together. So it's like

nice and sturdy. I feel like you look really hot like holding the drill. Thank you. And I'm sad I missed it. Sorry. There's some photos. Okay. There's evidence. But, um, so I'm literally standing there for the drill, like screwing pieces of wood together. And our co-worker Hannah, who also, you know, loves Bravo, she runs up to me. She was over at a different station painting benches. So she runs up to me paintbrush in hand. And it's like, holding her fun. She's like, did you see this? And it's like some tweet that's like, breaking news, Jen Shaw is pleading guilty. I think it was like Ronald Richards initial tweet. And I'm like, holding the drill. I'm like, no, no. You're like, not now.

Please, Jen. Like, wait two hours for me to be, you know, back at a computer. So I literally go to, I'm like sitting on like at a picnic table under like the tent at the community garden on my phone like screenshoting tweets like formatting a post. I see the 168 months. I'm like doing the calculator app. That's 14 years. It was like very hectic. But Jen, I mean.

You do it all. You are helping the community. while also helping the Bravo community be aware that Jen is headed to jail. Yeah, I did go back and finish my task with the drill. Good. I was pretty good with the drill. Good. Our little, the nice man who was like showing us what to do, he thought I was good with the drill.

Good. I believe it with every, with every, but I think you're better at covering. This is what I'm, I'm not born to make garden beds. Like I'm born to. You were born to let everyone know that Jen Shaw is pleading guilty. The funniest thing about it, though, was that literally less than 24 hours before this guilty plea, Meredith Marks is posting on her Instagram story about how, you know, I live in the United States. And in the United States, we're innocent until proven guilty.

And it's like, oh, oh, baby, no. They were, I, it just really makes you wonder, like, how did this Jen thing go down? Meredith, Meredith literally posts on Sunday. For those of you who may not know this, I live in the United States of America. In the U.S., one has a right to a trial and is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Shiny star emoji, peace sign emoji. And it's like... Within less than 24 hours.

Yeah? Yeah. That was Sunday. The plea was Monday morning. And Jen, Heather and Meredith were filming in New York City together late last week. Okay. So it's like, really this must have been quite a hush, hush thing that she was going to take this plea. Yeah.

If her new bestie man. Meredith had no idea less than a day before and they had just been together. It's like, you really do have to wonder how did this come to be? Because Jen's been so adamant that she's innocent and that she's like wrongfully accused. Exactly. Like, isn't it, look, I'm no lawyer. Trust me. I'm no L. Woods. But like, isn't it, like, could there be a reason that she pleaded guilty to get lesser of a charge? Well, yeah. I mean, that's like why you plead guilty. Okay. Like, you, that's why it's like a plea deal because you're like, So, like, when she entered her guilty plea, they, like, agree to a maximum sentence, basically.

And she agrees not to appeal if the sentence is within that parameter. So, like, she could get 14 years in prison. Holy fuck. She could get less. Like, the judge could say, like, oh, I'm giving you, like, 12 months in prison. Okay. But, like. Teresa, like, will it be real jail?

Or is it, like, Teresa Judice jail? Well, Teresa went to, she went to prison. I know. But it was like, it was like, it was like. I mean, I imagine Jen will probably be at a similar type of facility. I mean, she's not like a violent, you know, I don't think we need to worry about her. Exactly. I know.

She'll be in a, like, a probably like medium security. I don't know. I don't know. Well, if you were the judge and like you got this like this plea, like she was like pleaded guilty, how many, like, what are you giving her? What are you giving her? Well, I don't know because I try to live my life as I'm trying to get out of that, like the, like, mass incarceration like mindset. Like that's like a problem that we have in

America and so I try to try like not to look at things through that lens but I'm like I mean she's gonna get some jail time. I mean there's a deal like this and the fact that the best plea deal they would give her is potentially 14 years in prison

like mama fucked up. Mama fucked up big time. What did I say? I was posting something on the main betches story and I said at this rate Bravo should make the real house wise of fraud. Yeah. Like that would be,

that would honestly. This guy, Jeff Epstein posted a tweet that was like, Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip 4 should just be Housewives taking turns visiting Jen in prison. I'd watch it. I'd watch it. I would tune in.

Yet another, we've, every time I'm on, we have some sort of epiphany of a new Bravo spin-off show. Oh. So this one is Real Housewives of Fraud or visiting Jen in jail. Real Housewives of fraud. Yeah, featuring starring Jen Chon, Erica Jane. So good, so good, so good.

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We, this season is trucking along and... We have a few main characters and their names are Sutton and Diana. Diana got so much screen time this episode. Obviously, she missed. She didn't go to Sutton's lunch, which was the beginning. You know, we picked up where we left off there. But then we have... She gets a solo scene with her...

Way too long. Her husband and her hot son. They're talking about, you know, whatever. Horses. And how they love being together. And this, you know, when you black out, like, not from drinking, but like from watching something because there's no substance, I literally went to commercial after that. And I was like, what the fuck was that?

That's like what you do. Oh, sorry. I just had like a spaz out, but that's what I did. Went to commercial and I was like, wait. what did I just watch? And then I freaked myself out like, do I really not remember? Like, do I have short-term memory? You know what I mean?

But then I was like, oh, wait, because it was so boring. I have like a fair amount of notes from this episode. And that scene I just wrote Diana's solo scene. Dot, dot, dot, dot. Boring. And also they were giving like, like, zoom ins of the pizza. Like, that was the most interesting part of the whole scene. And then this pizza.

And then later in the episode, we're back at Diana's house. She's like talking to her stylist, I guess. and ears close up. Erica goes over. Erica's like lusting over all of Diana's expensive things because that's like Erica's whole thing now is like, do I miss the nice things? Sure.

I'm not broke. She says she's not broke. I'm like, you're not broke? Yeah. Lean into it. Lean into it. But we're like at Diana's house for the second time this episode. And then obviously we'll get to it.

But there's the scene with Sutton and Diana. And it's just like... The closing number, I call that. They're giving her sort of like a main character treatment right now that I just don't think... I'm trying to think if like when they were producing and editing this season, were they thinking that Diana was going to be this like exciting central character? Because I don't think anybody is experiencing it that way. I don't either because my first, like the first time I saw her,

I was already bored with her or just like over her because of the whole money and just extravagant. always talking about just being so extra. And like I said, I think I said this a few episodes ago when you're talking B.H. Like, are they trying to fill like a Kathy Hilton type of vibe? But it's not the same vibe at all. No. I mean, it's sort of the opposite in terms of what Kathy was bringing last season, whether it's like real or not. She was making us laugh every week.

And I feel like Diana is like humorless. And she's like taking herself so seriously. but before we talk about this stuff with her in Sutton, the other main thing that's happening is this storyline about Erica's drinking and her meds and Garcel is starting to notice. And when they're at Sutton's house, she brings up the thing about her sons. And Erica does apologize.

Like I think she did a fine job of apologizing for that, you know, whatever. I don't think Garcel is like, I think she needed an apology and then she's kind of like over it. But then she says there needs to be a balance between the meds and the cocktails. You know, it's just like. Yeah, I do, I do feel like Erica's head is screwed on like a little tighter now. And like she's not so reactive to things. Like I feel like her talking to Sutton and kind of leaving that in the past is a huge step for her.

And like Kyle says, I know she's like, she's letting loose. and they've never really seen her like this. So it's nice to see. I don't think there's an issue. I truly don't. I think that like the boat party, okay, that was just like, we've all been there. We've been the drunk one in the group, whatever. And then I think that like having the next episode be her little like, you know,

wanting to have a three son with Garcell's oldest son and then cursing out the younger one. It wasn't a good, it wasn't good timing. Right. But the producers know what they're doing, clearly. Yeah. I also think I, I think Beverly Hills is one of those shows where, usually they don't really let themselves get drunk like that on camera, whether or not they do off camera,

I don't know. But like when we see like that them like getting drunk and having fun on Beverly Hills, it's usually like, oh, Kyle's doing the splits, like Rina's dancing. You know, like it's very, we're letting loose. Yeah. We're getting lit. Yeah. Look at us.

It's more. We're like rich ladies having fun. Exactly. But like we rarely see like, like the level of. drunkenness that we would see on Real Housewives of New York, like on a weekly basis, would be so outside the realm of what's like normal on Beverly Hills that I think,

I think it's like we're seeing a little bit of this like unpolished, unflattering drunkenness with Erica that like... Sonia has, that is Sonia, every episode. Which is like, I don't shave my pussy. Yes, exactly. I think there's different standards to, each franchise of the whole getting drunk and having fun. Yes.

And I think I think Garcel, it's not that there's like nothing there. Like I think it's worth raising the point of like. For sure. I just want you to be made. Like I want to make sure that you're like doing okay. And like you've talked about being on meds. Like I mean, Erica's talking about that openly. All the time.

And then like she said she was only going to have one drink. And then obviously she. Yeah. So like I think it's not so. It's not like wrong for Garcel to be like. concerned. Noticing it or like, but I do think it's a little bit like. It's, it's too much when she was like, do you think it's like alcoholism?

Like that's where I kind of draw the line where it's like, no, she's having fun. And I'm not, I'm not always on Kyle's side with things. I feel like Kyle is one of those people where in general I like her, but it really depends on the situation. But I actually really understood her reaction when she was like, I have been down this road with my sister, Kim. and I don't want to go there again. Like I don't want to touch it. I don't want to be speculating. Like bad things happen.

I don't. This is not my vibe. And I think like Garcell's thing about Kyle's sort of jumping ship. Yeah. I think it's real. Like I do. I do too. With the Sutton and Diana thing, I think that was totally an example where it was like, for whatever reason in that moment, Kyle was immediately like, Sutton.

why are you doing that to Diana? And like she did apologize for that. She acknowledged that that was like the wrong reaction. But like I think Garcel should probably like ease up on the alcoholism thing and focus more on like Kyle's friendship. Agreed. And also with the whole thing with Kyle. Like she is she always does. She puts herself in positions that she doesn't need to be in like with the crystal thing.

The Sutton Diana thing. The Erica thing. It's like you don't need to be defending anybody because it's just going to make either you look worse or you're going to get in the middle of it when you don't need to be. Well, and I think with Kyle, one of her strengths right now, I know a lot of people aren't loving her at this moment. Yeah. But like she, because she's friends with Sutton and friends with Garcell, she feels a little

more neutral than like Erica or Rina. Yeah. And I think a lot of people are like sick of that kind of like click, the Fox Force, whatever. And so like I think Kyle sort of being in the middle actually helps her in terms of like, the fans and her position on the show. So it's like, don't throw away that friendship with Sutton and Garcell because that actually is helping you.

Yeah, exactly. But I mean, Maricio doesn't hurt either. The Hanukkah scene. It was so cute. I wanted to cry when Jagger was doing. He's like, the oil and the Maccabees. I'm like, I'm like, this is so adorable.

And actually watching last episode, I was like, I want Kyle Richards life. Her house is my dream home. Yeah. Her husband is my dream husband. And just the whole vibe. whole Kyle Richards vibe is. Doree when she's hurt the way she says Maricio.

She's like through this whole ordeal, it's been so wonderful to have the friendship of Kyle and Mauricio. She's got to throw in the accent somewhere. It's like she's, I mean like, that's maybe like technically a more like a more like correct Spanish way of saying it, but it's like Kyle's not like Mauricio. Maraurisio. Like that's not like. It's not like the way like we.

say, I don't know, it's just like, I fucking love to read. Like, every, she will never not like, do, like, say that thing. Remember when they were in, where were they? What trip were they, were they, were they in Mexico? Oh. And she was speaking, they were like, I bet she's going to start speaking Spanish. In the car. Yeah, in the car.

My favorite will always be when they were in Rome. And she's like, she's like, no, you are an gintone, a camparizola, a, um, martini. Yeah. I, I do respect the main character energy. she brings wherever she goes. Yeah. And like this episode, she's like kind of barely in it.

She's barely in it. She still made me laugh and she's like Mauricio. Maladioioio. She made me laugh more than Diana ever has in the last. I don't know what. Has it been six episodes. I laughed at Diana's hat that she was wearing.

Which, oh wait, I was really laughing at one of her, um, interview looks. I'll have to get a picture. Oh, the one where her hair is kind of like floppy and curly

like, she looked up so it looks short. Yeah, she looks like like Jackie out or like, you know what I mean? Like, she's gonna pay you for saying that. Oh, shit.

You're right. You're like she looks exactly like Jackie O. Yo, I could use a check, Diana, okay? I might be, I might not appreciate you on the show, but I appreciate your money. It's like, PSA, if Ms. Diana Jenkins is listening, I will take back everything I've ever said if you'd like to send me a check. I will send you my routing number. Thank you. Oh, 8.1.

Do you need my social because I'll give it to you? Just kidding. I mean, I don't know if I would try. trust that. Would you trust Diana Jenkins with your financial information? No, because I don't think she is, I don't think she's in charge of her own finances. Oh. It's like, yeah.

It can't be. If it's that much fucking money. Well, if she's like, I've never been to a store. Yeah. And I only feel private. And the store. She's allergic to dust. Oh, and she's lured to horses and her daughter, did you hear that?

Yeah. The daughter's like, the daughter is gorgeous, by the way. Oh, I mean, beautiful kids. Yeah. She's beautiful. Like she's beautiful. That's the thing with Diana is it's like she looks the part. She has the money, obviously.

But where's the personality, babe? I think the thing is she had, it seems like she had this idea of that she was going to come on the show and sort of like play this character of this sort of like aloof, rich, you know, bitchy lady. And she says, you know. What's their villain line? When she, you need a new villain? Here I am. Here I am. But when she's talking to Erica and Eric, you know, they're talking about how people think she's like cold and rude.

And she's like cold. No. Rude. Maybe. Like she thinks that's kind of like a flex. Yeah. That her thing is like, oh yeah, like I'm kind of a bitch. And of course, like we like villains.

We need villains. Like we need people to be like willing to go there. But the way she's doing it, it feels like she doesn't understand the actual like back and forth dynamic of housewives. And that's why her thing with Sutton at this lunch or whatever time of day it is is so frustrating because Sutton is doing the job where I don't actually think Sutton gives a shit about being friends with Diana or winning over Diana, you know, or like making her like her. I think Sutton is like putting in the work of reality TV production where she's like, we're only halfway through the season. So if Diana and I can't be in the room together without it being a thing, that's going to stop the rest of the season from progressing. So we're going to, you know, we had our lead up. We had our big argument.

Now we go to the lunch where we talk things through and we agree to move forward. And it's like Sutton knows the game plan. I think this is maybe like the most she's ever been like clicked in to like. guess how this is supposed to work and diana just like won't engage with that and like i don't need them to be best friends but i need diana to like understand what's supposed to be happening exactly give me something she's not giving she wasn't giving something anything at that lunch yeah and so like from a show standpoint it's frustrating because it feels like we're not we're not moving forward at all but also it really sucks to see sutton actually i think wants to connect with her over this miscarriage

thing. That's why she brought it up in the first place. We've seen this clip from Garcell's birthday party like four times now. And it really doesn't feel to me like Sutton was trying to like make it about herself or one up, you know, whatever that even means. When I watch that clip, it really feels like Sutton on a human level is just saying like, I know what you're going through because I have gone through the same thing. That's how people connect with each other. and Diana like won't relent. Like she won't just like be receptive to that even a little bit. And she's like, no, no, it was weird.

It was wrong. It was, you were abusive to me. Like all this. She's like throwing out all these words. And it's like, you're wrong. Sam Bush, Bravo historian friend of the podcast was tweeting that this is like textbook gaslighting because she's literally like telling Sutton what she was doing when the rest of us watching it at home are literally like, I, I.

telling someone that they weren't genuine. Yeah. Like that is like textbook gaslighting as well. When she was like even in the clip at Garcell, she was like, oh, here come like the big blue eyes and the tears. And something had literally just said like I've had two miscarriages. I want to relate with you. It's just. It's a, it's kind of wild watching this over and over again and realizing that like Diana

really thinks she's like doing something here. Like she, she thinks this is like this big boss move to be like, uh-uh, no, uh-uh, I'm not, you, you want to tell me you were genuine. I don't think you're genuine. I've never seen that. You're a good friend. So you say. But it's like you can't, you're the one who looks like you're being cold and rude and all of this, you know, like you seem like a bitch. Soulless.

What she call her? Solace. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're. You got to let the guard down. some point. Like this, this, this whole act of not letting any, you know, anything. And I feel like she wants to be like, I'm going to put Sutton down. Like Sutton has all these arguments with Crystal

and Erica and yada, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm going to shut her down. Like Sutton's going to be afraid of me. Sutton doesn't give a fuck. Right. And like if you want to be a villain, the best villains are like fun to watch. Yes. You have to be. Diana right now just seems like rude. A bitchy lady that I wouldn't want to be friends with. Exactly. And so like there has to be that like push and pull. Like when Danielle Stowb was like wreaking havoc on the women of New Jersey. OG villain. There was first of all,

there was always like there was there was like that push and pull. It's like literally she had these women as bridesmaidsmaids in her wedding in the Bahamas and then it's like terrorizing them while they're there. But they had to like her enough to agree to be bridesmaids in the first place. You have to like you have to like you know, it's a push and pull. And I think right now Diana is just like one sided. She thinks she's like.

coming in here to like smack down Sutton and like it's not having the desired effect. No, it's not. It's honestly making me, oh, I've always been team Sutton. I've always liked Sutton. But it's making me like, I feel like it's more people will be more inclined to be like, okay, wait, like Team Sutton over Diana. Right. Because even if you don't love Sutton, I don't think anybody is Team Diana.

No. And so meanwhile, like Diana's literally like sour grapes and Sutton's like, well, we can sound of music it out. If you want, we can start from the. beginning. So let's start with, you know, clumsy with my words. How about that? And Sutton's like, yeah, she's just like, I'm bothered. Yeah. With the last few lines of that episode really killed me. She's like, so we'll see. And then Sutton says the same thing. She's like, well, because Sutton's like, I'm a good friend. And Diana's like, so you say. So you say.

And just says something else. She goes, so you say. So you say. So you say. I'm going to start saying that when I want to disengage from a conversation. So you say. Next week we finally get Kathy. I know. Wait a second. I have a question about that. Okay.

Has Kyle, so you say. You're like raising your hand right now. Me. Has Kyle, have Kyle and Kathy not been talking? Is there a family drama going on? Yeah. Maybe we will kind of. Well, yeah.

We know some shit went down. But like aside from whatever happened in Aspen and Kathy like maybe saying something problematic. Like there's that scene in the season trailer where it's like Kathy Kyle and Rina and Rina's doing her like, ooh. You're so mad. That was bad. That's like the Rina I like.

Yeah, you're so mad. Where she's just like full like soap opera villain like ooh. Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs, you're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress.

Those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear up on that envelope. It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. Should we talk about girls' trip? We should. What are you? I think we only have one episode left in the season of Girls Trip. Yes. How have you been enjoying it? I haven't talked to you about it. You know, this is I, um, this is me the entire time watching girls tripping for those, obviously

this is audio only. My head is on a swivel. I'm like this. I'm like, oh, Vicky and Durinda. Wait, they hate each other. Wait, now they like each other. Wait, Brandy. Do, do.

It's honestly, it feels like they all, like it feels like a bunch of people that hate each other, even though some of them didn't even know each other were put into a house and now they all have to like duke it out. That's what it feels like. Yeah. I'm not really seeing much. enjoyment going on. There's been a lot of like rockam-sockham robots.

Like the head pops up and then you like like, like Taylor's random freak out at the dinner table against Brandy. I mean, Brandy's kind of the root of. Yeah. Of it all. But then it's like, oh, Vicki's like, I can't stand Brandy next time. She's like, well, yeah, I would have sex with you, Brandy. You know what I mean?

Like it's like kissing. It's literally, like I said, my head is on a fucking swivel. And then of course, Derinda's apology tour this last episode or. I think part of the thing that is for me, making. it so exciting and like you said so much back and forth going on is that all of these people are they get it like they understand how the dynamics work and like Marco are butler man in his confessional at the beginning of the episode but just still so many his little like curly cue of forehead hair yeah um he's saying like it's crazy how these women fight and make up so quickly

and then fight again and then make up again and it's only been six days and where on like round three of like who's getting along. And I think all of these women have worked so well in this cast because they can do that. And because if it was seven episodes of like pure animosity the whole time, it would be too much. Yeah. But the fact that we can reel it in and have, you know. They can have fun, but then we can also get the drama. Right.

And like Jill and Derinda are making up. And then you have Taylor's like, oh, you know. as much as I hate Brandy, I love her. I love her. I'm like, literally, I'm just like what the, I honestly love it for that reason. I don't know what the next scene is going to be. Who's going to love each other? It's a legitimate roller coaster.

And this episode, as we get closer to the end of the week, we saw, I think, a little bit of a, like, it's like coming down a little bit. It's lighter. I think we're past all of the big blowups of the season. And, you know, we got to see them doing their white elephant gift exchange and saying who they'd have sex with. And, like, you know, some of those light, fun things that you expect from a show like this where it's like, okay, yeah, like, you can have a scene where it's just like the cute gift exchange. Exactly. And everyone's having a good time.

Yeah. And did you hear that they brought up Denise? Low key. Yes. So the Denise stuff is probably the juiciest thing in this episode. And it was very, it was kind of glazed over. Like, they kind of went about it pretty quickly. I just didn't.

I didn't expect Tamara to divulge. I know. What starts this is that Durinda's evening, or yeah, this evening of day six is Christmas in September themed because we can't go to Bluestone Manor and not have holiday decorations up even if it's in September. So everybody comes downstairs in their little outfits. Brandy's wearing this like silver sequelaire dress where you can see her. Her ass was out at one point.

Everything. Yeah. And somebody's like, have you worn this dress before? Because it's really short. And Brandy's like, wow, I bought it for the reunion. And then I got canceled the morning of. And this was season nine, the Denise season where it was like the Zoom reunion and Brandy was supposed to be there. And so this brings up the Brandy and the Denise.

And it's come up already on this season. Like we, it's, it's in the air. And Tamara tells us that Denise called her when this was all going down on the show. And they've known each other for like 10 years. and she said that, you know, Tamara asked if it is true, and she said absolutely not. And then when they're like, so who did you believe? And Tamara's like, well, I believe Denise.

And Brandy's like, okay, fuck me. And she's like, what? I said I believed you. She's like, you literally didn't. 30 seconds later, Tamara had no idea what she had said. Had what she had said. Exactly. What's going on?

Exactly. But then Tamara tells us that they, that she thinks the reason Denise called her was because they had a moment at BravoCon in 2019, and Denise was, like, flirting with her and, like, wanted to go to bed with her baby. And her husband was there. And she was, like, sorry, I'm married. And I'm surprised that Tamara is, like,

saying this on camera, because we know that Denise doesn't like this to be talked about. And there was, like, maybe a cease and desist at one point with Beverly Hills. Like, Bravo, Bravo, Bravo. I feel like Tamara could get sued over this. You really think? Defamation. I don't think she, like, will. But I just think it surprised me that she let herself say it on camera just because it seems like a whole can of worms that is maybe not worth opening.

Yeah. And it was like it's been slightly open now because then they didn't really talk about it after that. It was kind of like conversation shifted. Yeah. But that's something I would like to know more about. Because then the conversation shifted into like who would fuck who. Who would you fuck? Randy's like I would fuck all of you.

I liked that Jill's feelings were like actually hurt. She was actually mad. She's like, nobody wants to fuck me. She's like, well, you know, nobody, nobody chose me. I'm hurt. I'm upset. I'm offended. I don't really want to play anymore.

I'm done. I respect that. Me too. I would feel the same way. Me too. Like, I mean, Jill, she looks great. She looks great. She's in great shape.

She plays tennis every day. Yeah. She's got money. Yeah. She's the place in the Hamptons, you know? Yeah. I actually think Jill looks like young, like fresher and like overall better now than she did when she was on New York. Yeah, because New York.

probably gave her like agit undress. Thinking about that show gives me agitin stress. And there's like better skin lasers now. Well, of course. But like when they do the flashback, when they did the flashback of her in Morocco, oh my God. With the bangs, like she just looks better now. She looks great. Yeah. I love the flashbacks they did,

especially with Vicki. I did think it was funny. Vicky's like, okay, so we're going to tell, we're going to go around this circle and talk about leaving housewives and what that was like. Fadra, you first. And of course, Fadra leaving Housewives was like the biggest scandal. It was the first ever four-part reunion. Like it was a whole thing.

And Fadra's like, mm-mm. Nope. Nope. I love her. She says it was a crock of bullshit when she left the show and that there are two sides to every story and only one side was told, which was kind of enlightening to hear her say because she hasn't talked much about it. And I think kind of the presumption has always been that she got like exposed for what

she had done and then that was kind of that but she's saying that was bullshit but the problem is I think most of the women in this group probably don't know anything about that so when fadra's like I don't want to talk about it they're like okay derinda next it's like no no no no no like talk about it please poke the bear derinda like derinda I love this well since I've been on pause since I've been up He got to pause. Like, come on, you were on pause. I wish she could, like, hear herself and just... Do you think she watches it back?

Anything? I don't know. I feel like it's one of those things that, like, you wake up after a night out and you're like, holy fuck. If I had a GoPro on me all night, I would delete the footage and never watch it again. Like, you never want to watch what you were doing while you were out because it's, like, cringe. She did. She did agree that she should drink less this day. Which I appreciated.

And she did drink less. You know what that is? Growth. That's called growth. It was funny that last week we had Kelly Ben Simone on the podcast. And she said that when she was on Housewives of New York and they had to write those like blogs at the time. Like the Housewives would write their like blog posts about the episodes. She would only watch her scenes.

Kind of love that energy too. She would like cross forward through the rest, which I think I think maybe Jacks Taylor said he did the same thing. She did. I mean, come on now. But she was like, Kelly was just like, well, I don't want to like talk about anybody else. Like, I only want to talk about the stuff I was there for. So like, why would I watch the rest of it? I mean, true.

It's all true. Also, another thing with Girls Trip, you mentioned Marco and I meant to say this. This man deserves a raise. He deserves a vacation. He deserves a little bit more air time as well. I agree. I hope he's getting paid handsomely. He's got to be.

Putting that shit together. like putting like those like the like that that what she have the the apples and the yeah the whatever the present thing I mean just the Christmas thing the fact that all of this is happening in such a short amount of time in one house because they come back from their winery lunch and it's like okay girls meet back down here in two hours and then it's like fucking winter wonderland in the living room and it's like where was all this stuff that's that's what um Eva said too she's like Where the fuck do you put all this shit? How many boxes of Christmas decorations do you have in the basement?

Like, I don't want to go in the basement of Bluestone Manor. I feel like that is horrifying. I feel like it's a horrifying, haunted place. Derinda probably has all of Hannah's, like, baby teeth in a box. Ew. You know she does. I know. That basement has to be, like, hoarder status.

Horder. I mean, all those Christmas decorations. Emma, Halloween decorations. She goes all out all the time. You know what, though? There's probably, like, Easter. You know, like, Easter. You know, like, I feel like.

like Dorinda's probably the kind of person. We only ever see it in like the fall or like holiday season. But like she probably has like Valentine's Day stickers that she like slaps on the windows. Yes. That woman is a holiday hoarder. A holiday hoarder. Meanwhile, Vicky is like, she's just like, I just say I'm going to die any day now. Oh my God.

She's like, put on my tombstone. She was sad when she died. She's like, I want everybody. No, I was sad. Vicky, I know you haven't watched all of Orange County. I haven't. Because that's a whole odyssey that I honestly am hesitant to even recommend to people. But Vicky, like, I think Vicky is such a nightmare.

But at the same time, God, she makes me laugh. She makes me laugh because it's so, she's so serious. She's not even trying. It's just the things that she says is so ridiculous. And Tamara is also sick of her, too, which I love that type of friendship. She's like, I don't, I'm always with, I'm always with Vicky when she's in the hospital. I'm good. Like, the production can go to the hospital with her this time.

She's like, I'm always with Vicky in the hospital. I'm always with Vicky when she's heartbroken. I'm always with Vicky when she's horny. I'm always with Vicky when she's, you know, complaining. Like, you need a break from Vicki. She needs a break from Vicki. And she's almost like, like, all of her interviews were like a cry for help. Like, please.

She's like, Vicky is a tabby daughter. I'm, that's why. part of the reason I'm excited about these casting rumors for Orange County that Tamara is coming back and Vicky is probably not. Being put on pause. Or like Vicky might maybe could be like a friend or something, but like I just think Tamara without Vicky is like that's what I want. It's, I feel like it's going to be more of like she's not held back by anything. Like even they said that when they were like Tamara, you're being like so fun and like all this stuff. She's like, yeah, because I'm not dealing with Vicky shit.

Well, I think OC has just changed enough that it's like, it's a different fresher show now, or at least like that's what they're going for. And I think Tamara has the potential and the ability to actually like play that game. Whereas like Vicky does what Vicky does and it's always going to be the same thing. We know what we're getting with her, whether you like it or not. But like moving into like this newer era of Orange County, it's like that's what it is. We don't need that. Yeah.

It's done. We're done. I don't want to see her. Yeah. Like, she's just like sad. Crying. She has a new man though. She does.

Yeah. She like posted about him. It's not a secret. But then somebody, I saw somebody post like a sneaky photo of them together in Costco in Puerto Viarda, which like I didn't even know there was Costco in Mexico. Like I thought it was just like America.

Yeah. But they were like, Vicki's like in her flip flops with her cart at Costco. And I'm like, wow. She's exactly who you think she is. Exactly. But loving, yeah, loving girls. trip.

There's one more episode? I think so. Well, they have two days left after this episode. Like one, yeah, like one full day. Yeah, one full day left. And then they have to like get the hell out. Uh-huh. Do you think Brandy will ever return to a housewife friend?

I mean, to Beverly Hills. I don't really think so. I don't. I like Brandy popping up here and there. I think she still is friends with some of the women. Yeah. Like, I think she's, whatever. But I just don't think she is some of the,

who really like makes sense to have full time on a cast like that where you like we were talking about with Diana and Sutton you really need to have people who are able to kind of keep it together and feed into the larger narrative and like keep the story moving and I think like Sutton has been able maybe when Sutton first came on the show she really struggled with that because her emotions were really tough for her. But the face, she got her face roller and now she's doing better. But like, I think Brandy is a little too loose canon to kind of work in that larger narrative. Whereas I think for something like this, she's perfect because she doesn't, it doesn't matter

whether she's making up with people or saying the right things or recognizing when she's done something wrong because it's a week and then it's over. I think I could see her being on some other kind of show maybe. like I, it's not like I, I don't, brandy to me is not somebody that I like never want to see on TV again. But like, I don't think Real Housewives of Beverly Hills would make sense. No, I don't think it's a full time. I know how they did was it two seasons ago with the whole Denise thing. Like she was in a few episodes just, you know, to rile up that rumor.

I don't mind her being in the mix. She can come to a party. She can, she can stop by. Yeah. I think this was the perfect show for her, though, like you said. Exactly. All new drinks are now at McDonald's. with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refresher,

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Oh my God. So guys, I just started binging the whole thing. Yes, you just caught up. I just caught up because all weekend. I just watched Bravo and I watched all of Dubai. The money is insane. The money is insane. My favorite, I would say, is, you know what?

I don't even know her name. There it is folks. Talk you a lot. Dubai is good. Dubai's good. Chanel's crazy. She makes a great housewife, I think, because what she says is so off the wall. But, I mean, I don't really have, I don't really have that many.

feelings about it. I think that's really where I have found myself as well. Christine, is that her name? There's no Christine. There's two Carolines. Yeah, I don't like the Carolines. Oh, you don't like either of them. No, no, no, no, no.

I don't like Caroline S. I like... Yeah, she's tough. Caroline Brooks is... Yes. Caroline Brooks, this episode, we get a little bit of like a Jen Shaw, like, blow up almost. Yeah. When Sarah says some...

Says, you know, you should be closer to your son. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. She's like, don't you? don't ever talk about my parenting, which... Giving Taylor vibes. I mean, touchy subject. Talking about the parenting and the kids is always going to be...

Just don't do it. Just don't do it. Rough territory. But at the same time, based on what we've seen and what we've heard... There's a point. I think it's something to consider. Yeah. And the fact that she's like so excited to send the kid to boarding school...

It's giving... It's giving parent trap. It's giving Meredith vibes right there. I have claws and you don't. I have claws and you don't. Yeah. That was good. That's the,

I like Caroline a lot. Carolyn Brooks a lot. I think she's funny. I think she's entertaining. But that, in that moment, that was a side of her we hadn't seen yet. And I was like,

yeah. A little like, what is, help me figure out my favorite person's name. Okay. Lisa? No. There's two Carolines.

There's a Lisa. There's Chanel. I know you know who Chanel is. Yeah. Nell's bestie. Lisa. Is that her name? With the,

with the husband and the three sons? Yeah. Yeah, Lisa's my favorite. There, it's like a game of guess who. Is that, is that her name?

Is that her name? Is that her name? Lisa. Okay, Lisa, you're my favorite. I'll never, I'll never forget it now. Lisa.

Never forget it. Whoops. Whoops. Whoops. Yeah, that would be a faux par. Yeah, that would be a foe par. Pa.

Ha ha. Get it. Phopa. But yeah, it's, it's, it's giving, it's giving, it's, it's, it's, yeah. I like, like, I like watching how extravagant people live because it's like, I don't live that way. You know what I mean? And I think, like, Beverly Hills does that.

They're like the most, I think. But then this kind of almost elevates it to a different world. It's a whole different world. And that I'm not like aware of. So, like, it's kind of like, interesting in that aspect to watch. But I don't really have like, strong, like, urges or opinions or thoughts about it. I'm pretty much in the same place. It's like, it's, I don't mind having it on, but at this point, yes.

They're, um, my attention is a little bit like media. It's not there. Also, one new. I don't know if like you even knew this. You probably did. But I saw that Luanne and Sonia started filming in Illinois. In Benton, Illinois, baby. I know that.

Touchdown on a PJ in the middle of nowhere. That is TV. I cannot wait to watch. I know. I'm excited for that. I'm just, I'm just happy to have them working. So, Sonia getting a check. We all know she needs.

She needs a chag baby. Did they sell the townhouse yet? Oh. Oh, God. She has a long-term tenant right now. Like, it's rented out. By the interns? Oh, God.

The interns, like, formed a, like, unionized. The union and they're all just living in the townhouse. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. Well, this has been so fun. It has been so fun. We had so much to discuss. And I feel like we really mentioned it all.

We mentioned it all. We mentioned it all. I should probably be able to say the name of my podcast. You should. Mention it all. Well, thank you. you did better than I. It's yours now, I guess.

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