Mention It All - The Kyle Richards Conundrum Ft. Sarah Galli (RHOBH, RHOSLC, & RHOP)

Episode Date: February 13, 2025

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Hey everyone Welcome back to the mention at all podcast I am so happy to be joined today in the studio by a long time friend sister soulmate Bravo companion

She's the host of the Andy's Girls podcast And I'm so excited She's back in the studio Sarah Galley Could you say I'm a Betch's friend of.

Okay. Okay. Okay. How are you doing? How's life? So good. Really excited to be here and chat. I, well, we did record a little bit and then we were like, let's do it again, much like the New York City reboot.

We're testing out a reboot and seeing the water. We're seeing the water. You know, maybe we'll add in a couple new people next time. And you had just asked me what it was that we were talking about, and I had forgotten. and now I just remembered what it was. Right on time. Right on time. We actually hadn't started.

This is a great way to begin a podcast episode. Let me just tell you that. Can I ask you a question? Sure. So I just caught up on Potomac. Yes. I watched like 70 episodes this season. And I was planning to do a catch-up episode of Andy's Girls.

And I realized, and I don't even mean this as a dick, I realized I didn't have enough to talk about to cover a, a single catch-up episode. Am I the only one who feels that way? Potomac has been interesting for me this season because I don't think that it has necessarily been a bad season. But I don't think it's been a particularly substantive season. Like there isn't a lot of, I don't have a lot to say. I don't have a ton of thoughts.

I think that a lot of the thoughts I have, honestly, are about the new people in the cast and how they're working or not working. Like Kiyana and Stacey, I have talked about Stacey was on the show. She was, you know, lovely, whatever. But I do feel like in terms of, aside from Karen's whole mess of a legal situation, which was for better or for worse, not really on the show much this season, in terms of, Giselle in terms of Wendy, in terms of Ashley, I feel like they weren't super involved in sort of like big storylines this season. In a way where like in the past I felt like last season in a bad way, Giselle and Wendy were like so fully at odds. And Wendy had the whole thing with NECA, who I have already, you know, almost forgotten. And it felt like this season a lot of the

veterans were kind of just like vibing. And so I didn't mind watching it week to week, but also that was a show where like, you know, I normally record on Mondays. Potomac is on Sunday nights. Some weeks I talked about it, some weeks I didn't. And it felt like a show that was

okay to kind of like dip in and out of this season. Yeah, it didn't feel it's like there is something that could be said about Karen and Stacy is a curio. Yes. But I don't know. I like Kay, I, I just kind of felt like they're sort of pushing her to be full time, but she truly, inherently, intrinsically, instinctively gives friend of energy. So I almost felt bad for her because I was like, this just doesn't seem like a good fit. Yes.

I've wondered if there's a specific reason why they haven't made Jacqueline a full-time housewife. Because not that I think that that is something that I'm like clamoring for. But like story-wise, Jacqueline is more important to the narrative than Kearnah, I felt, this season. Like in terms of her dynamic with Mia, her issues with Karen, whereas like Kiyana, I feel like I was more forgetting about sometimes. Kiyana kind of reminds me of Shemia, actually, on Atlanta. In terms of when you say that friend of energy, I sort of agree. And Shemia also is making the. jump to be full time this upcoming season of Atlanta after many years of being a friend,

a guest, a non-cast member. And so I do kind of, that like friend to housewife jump is not always for the best. But Shemia has like real relationships with people in the cast. She has obvious history with Portia. With Kay, I'm just kind of like, I don't know. And also just never again, maybe with Mia. maybe we're just going down a path that we don't need to be on. It just doesn't, I don't want it to fit if that makes any sense.

It's not a matter of if it fits, but like I don't want to break Potomac to make this work. It's interesting because I thought that going into this season, I was really kind of excited to see the Mia storyline, knowing that she and Gordon had separated, knowing that she was publicly in a relationship with ink now. And watching the season, it has been kind of like a long day's journey in tonight. with that whole familial situation, not in a way that always feels fun to watch. And it seems like some of the other women in the cast based on things they've said in press, on watch what happens live.

Like, they don't seem to be loving this whole situation. You know, like they're questioning Mia's breakup announcement. They're, you know, it just feels like they're kind of over her. Yeah, not to bring down the room. I was just kind of curious.

I just was, you know, podcast or a podcast. I do feel like, so we're recording this Monday morning or afternoon, lunchtime, and they took a week off for the Super Bowl, I guess, and the reunion is coming back. We're starting next week. And the reunion looks good. It does. So I'm willing to leave this season on a higher note if the reunion's really good. And that will, I think, hopefully leave us with some, some. roadway for next season. I'm genuinely actively excited for the reunion. I think the trailer looks good. I also think Dr. Wendy has had an incredible season.

I agree. I love her energy with Giselle. I genuinely love it. I really feel like both of these women just came into the season and we're like, okay, we understand. We have to figure out a way to, you know, just kind of like drop the tension and anger and upset from seasons prior and really figure out a way to move. forward and they're both professionals and they figured out a way to do it. And I just really,

I'm like thankful for it. I really, really like their energy together in a way that I didn't expect because I just wasn't that optimistic about both of them together. And I'm like, oh, I kind of love their. It's like, no disrespect, but it's, and it's not exactly the same. But there is a little bit of like a junior Karen and Grand Dame and Giselle energy with Giselle and Dr. Wendy that I like. Yeah, I was, after last season, I was honestly on the fence about whether Wendy even should stay on the show. And I think that she has turned it around in such an impressive way this season.

And now I almost feel like, I don't think they'll probably make like large cast changes before next season. But like Wendy and Giselle are no brainers to me that it would be, you know, wild if either of them were like on the chopping block. Yeah, and I know that people, you know, have feelings about Ashley, and I understand a lot of it, like pro and con. I just kind of, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what the future looks like for Ashley. I think she's been really integral to the cast previously and some of that for good ways and some of that for maybe not so good ways.

And now I'm just kind of like, have we, are we done here? I don't know. I don't want to say definitively, I don't want her to continue. I just kind of wonder what direction Ashley could go in that doesn't. feel overly produced. Yeah, I think that it felt like Ashley was in a little bit of like a holding pattern this season where it's like, okay, so like we're not seeing Michael on the show anymore, but you're not technically divorced yet or haven't even filed.

So you're like dating, but is this, are we, are we really dating? And, you know, I'm sure that, you know, Patrick Mahomes looking man, I'm sure they had a lovely time together. I don't know kind of what the, you know, what the real. there is. But like it just feels like we didn't get much of substance from Ashley this season. You know, like her doing drag. It's like, okay, that's like a fun, a fun little piece of something. But it's not, it doesn't feel like, you know, high stakes. Also, I should truly go fuck myself for starting a sentence with like, I have nothing to say about Potomac. And then 50 minutes later. I'm like,

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but I am really enjoying it. Okay. And it's part of that reason is because Kyle is in my top five. I love Kyle. I feel connected to Kyle. I also felt strongly that we need a Kyle take down season and nobody was strong enough to do it. And I think Kyle is typically, historically,

best when she's kind of on defense. And we're seeing a lot of the weaknesses when she tries the other side. And I also have to say as someone who historically loves Kyle, I don't think I've agreed with a single thing that she has said or done this season. I'm like, if we're going to think about it in terms of teams, which I don't love, but I'm fully team to read, but Kyle is in my top five. And I can't make heads or tails of it, except to be very honest. And I just, some of her like PR moves around this too have been really chaotic and bad. Yeah. But Kyle's just one of those people who she just feels like the soul of the show, but maybe

the show needs a new soul. I don't know. She doesn't want to be here anymore. Maybe we should listen to her. Yeah. As I've talked about this season, like every week I feel like I've basically been like, Kyle is making like a staggering amount of wrong moves on this season in the press. like it just feels like for somebody who is like literally, I mean, depending what happens with

New Jersey, the last OG standing like. Totally. It's like how are you, how are you reading these tea leaves so incorrectly? Or like you have to wonder some of the things that she's doing and saying this season. It's like, do you really not know how this is coming across or do you just not give a fuck? Because Kyle is somebody that like, to me, she. deeply gives a fuck almost always. And that is something that I think has made her beloved by many people that she seems to, she wears her heart on her sleeve. She's,

you know, an emotional person. She's, you know, we've seen her go through it with her family. We've seen her go through it with, you know, lots of other women on the show. But like this situation with Dere, it just seems like she is either incapable or unwilling to like act like a normal human person and friend about this. Yeah, and I mean, her response is when she like stormed out of the spa day. And shout out Bose, by the way, one of the best casting decisions of recent memory. Phenomenal. But when she stormed out, her reasoning was like, oh, Doret just got mad at me as a distraction

so that we didn't have to discuss the things that she's done to me. And I'm thinking to myself, Kyle, babe, sweetie, we still don't think that she did anything. Like, we still don't understand what you're saying. saying was the big issue that made you want to respond in kind. Yeah, like, I would understand if at the beginning of this season, Kyle was like, yeah, I know we're not in a good place, but I feel like we've, I feel like she has done stuff to hurt me and maybe I've done stuff to hurt her. But at the very least, I feel like, you know, I'm still owed an apology. I would get that if it was at the beginning of the season. The fact that you're like,

what, like eight, nine, ten episodes into the season. And it still is like, like, you know, Britney Bateman, what about me? Insult. What an insults are going to hurt of Britney. And not to put, you know, Ms. Bateman and Madame Richards on the same playing field, but it does just feel like clearly the way that this season is playing out, I mean, watching it, but I have to imagine filming it. How do you not feel that like, okay, we're not, the road that this is going down is more

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We have OGs on Potomac. No OGs left on Orange County. Vicky just heard that and is somewhere at Coto Insurance screaming. And we have Kyle on Beverly Hills. Like, I don't know. It feels like this season is her exit interview. I don't think that,

I think you could make the argument that there were segments of the Bravo population in seasons prior who were like, Kyle, don't go, even if they didn't love her. Because they felt like some of this should continue. I don't think that there's really anybody saying. that out of this season. I don't want her to go, but I also am like, I don't know, man,

she's going to walk into that reunion. I'm not saying she's like doing Tamara energy or anything like that, but I don't know that she has the capacity to really kind of humble herself, regardless of whether or not Derreet might be performing. Yeah, I think the Tamara comparison is interesting because I feel like this past season and maybe some seasons before that, like Tamara came in looking like a villain. And I think that this season, it's not so much that Kyle is like a villain on Beverly Hills. It's that she's just like a bad friend. Oh, God.

And that's almost somehow worse because it feels like when Tamara does it, obviously there can be like real consequences or real feelings hurt. But like it feels like more of a performance of. of something that she has in her mind and this kind of producer mindset. With Kyle, I'm like, I think Kyle just doesn't give a shit about Doreet. And that kind of hurts worse. Like the situation with the text,

the Texasing with P.K., like I think when she is being, when this text about not sharing whatever is being brought up, like Kyle genuinely. genuinely feels like, why are you all doing this to me? This is, it's that victim energy, that it's like, are we in high school? This is so stupid. I can't believe that I'm being, you know, put on blast for, for what? Sending a meme, a smiley face emoji? Who, who even

cares about this? And it's like, everybody is in agreement that this text is weird and maybe not great and at least questionable. And it just feels like Kyle is really unable to sort of like, yeah, humble herself, I think is like a good way to put it. She seems to be reacting with some level of shock and disgust about the structure of housewives, a structure that she should be used to. She's been in this environment before. And bringing a stupid fucking text exchange on camera and then expecting that it will just end in that one scene with the people you want to become your army.

In the Chuckie She's in the Valley. Literally like, Kyle, what are you doing? Right. It's wild. It's why Bose, there hasn't been someone on Beverly Hills as succinct as Bose is, as extraordinarily clear as Bose is, I think, which is why she's an absolute standout. Because the issue for me with Crystal, who I, you know, love was that I felt like the moving forward thing after each of her seasons was like, she's about to find her voice. It's like, Bose obviously has her voice.

And the fact that she really has total authority on it is impressive to me. Because we've seen how easy it is for people to sort of grumble or leave it to their confessionals. Bose is someone who's going to say it in the moment. And that is a particularly incredible skill, especially on Beverly Hills, where they usually fight in a whisper. I think she's doing a good job of using her newness to her advantage too, that sometimes you see new people come in. and they're either a little bit timid about sort of like speaking up in front of the group, or I think sometimes in a good way, people will sort of be like, okay, I'm new here. I don't have all the context.

I'm going to like watch and listen and then sort of like choose my moment to pop up. And I think that Bose is kind of doing, she's kind of doing that a little bit, but then she's like using that sort of newbie curiosity to ask the question. that actually is sort of putting somebody else on the back foot. That it's like she has this relationship with Doreet, which her and Doreet's friendship, I think, has been such a fun thing to watch this season.

And especially with Dereet sort of actively going through it the way that she is, it's fun to see her with like a genuine connection with somebody that she's obviously lacking from Kyle. And I think questioning with Erica maybe a little bit. But like also Bose then is sort of like going out and not doing Doreet's Dirty work, but like sort of speaking on behalf a little bit and kind of asking those questions where like, if Derreet asks Kyle a certain question, it's loaded with all of this baggage, whereas like, if Bose asks the question, she's like, oh, I'm new here. It just, it occurred to me. So why

wouldn't I ask? And like, I think that she is, she's doing a good job of of, of, of, like, not seeming like she's kind of overstepping as a new person in the group, but like also really making her presence known in a way that I think is important. I really think she makes the ensemble stronger. And we're now, you know, we're watching what's happening in Augusta. We're watching what's happening back in Beverly Hills. And listen, it's hard because we just had, you know, Salt Lake City, which was fucking incredible. Orange County before it, which will have a piece of my heart for the rest of my life. May I live to be a thousand years old and celebrate my birthday every year by thinking about last season of Orange County. Like, it was really one for the age.

Like it was a literal like I need like feed me Orange County season 19 tomorrow like pick it up have you know a room big brother style where they're just editing this shit so you film it on Tuesday and it's out on Friday night like I don't care what they need to do but you you can get this to me by next Wednesday like I know that it is possible. So with Beverly Hills I think and obviously New York was a cluster fuck and I would argue one of the worst things that's ever been seen on any kind of television. So, and then you have Beverly Hills where it's like, it's not so terrible that people are talking about how offended they are to watch it. It's not so incredible that we're like, oh my God, Salt Lake City. She did it again. And Orange County, lots of energy. So it gets lost in the shuffle. And a lot of that it's deserved. But I also think like, I don't know, man.

I'm enjoying it. I think so Salt Lake, obviously, such an incredible season. Everyone's in agreement. I think that Salt Lake City sometimes gets the soap opera comparison where it's like, oh my God, there's a crazy shit happening left and right. I actually think Beverly Hills kind of feels more like a soap opera in the sense that it's like it comes on at the same time every week and you're watching, you know, what's next in the lives of the women of L.A. and mostly the valley.

But like sort of like the, maybe the feel. of a soap opera where it's like every day my show is on and you know salt lake city is maybe almost a little bit too a little bit too much a little too over the top the soap opera just kind of goes along at that like steady clip like your nana can watch the soap opera and not be offended like i i think that beverly hills is delivering like consistency in a way that i think is valuable even if it's not like you know breaking boundaries beverly hills gives me days of our lives all my children energy and Salt Lake City is passions with like a little dose of general hospital. Like it's just how it is.

That's just the marker and I can't think of another name of another soap opera that my grandmother would not watch. So I, that's, but she had the readers digest. So I know that from that. Like that's, that's just truly how like Salt Lake City is just in an like a literal different universe. We don't live there. Salt Lake City is dynasty.

That's that's a much better. So I like a day is dynasty. With a little Dallas. Wasn't that a joke when it came out though? It was always a joke, right? It was never like taken seriously. I couldn't tell you. I think there was like, okay, there was like a lot of stuff happening there.

Like a lot of passion, I guess, one could say. Yeah, this is such a nothing, Berger. But every time I think about this season of Salt Lake City, I just think about Angie Kay on a reunion couch trying to argue. that she wasn't a backup dancer. In a video with Jennifer Shaw, where first off, being in that video and saying the number one problem

is that you're being described as a backup dancer, if that's your number one issue with this video, we need to have a conversation, which we did on the reunion couch when she strongly was like, I'm not a backup dancer. In a video in which she quite literally was a backup dancer, there was something about it where I'm like,

this is just like, this is wonderful. It's like, it's truly wonderful. Salt Lake City does such a good job of the balance of the big things and the small things is so specific and that it's like there can be a massive storyline that feels like so important and so high stakes. But then also Angie, Angie explaining how she wasn't Jen Shaw's backup dancer somehow has the exact same amount of weight. But it's like, no, this is equally important to me, me disproving. like the whole thing um the whole thing with meredith and with angie where where they were going back and forth about um you know had had you said that the rumor was from her but then you all at a later date you said that it wasn't from her and like i want to see the footage no i want to see the footage and the fact that it

turns out that both of them are correct but then meredith is still like threatening to walk off it's like okay so we've we've like proven that you're both kind of right but also both wrong and this also doesn't really matter because it's something that happened a season and a half ago. Like, I, I just love that things like that can be, can feel just as important as like the central storyline to a whole season. And I don't even know what the central storyline was, which is in a great way. It's a true ensemble. Like, there's Heather Bronwyn stuff. There's Bronwyn stuff. There's Meredith stuff. There's obviously a lot of Mary stuff. There's Mary Angie stuff. There's Lisa, Angie stuff. Like, Whitney's present.

Like there's just so much that's going on that I'm like, this is just, it's a well-oiled machine. And I think production does a really good job at points of just getting out of their way. They have so much built up frustration with each other that sometimes it's like just give him a dinner, pretend that Heather has a great idea of reading terrible texts and then just watch the fireworks. Yeah. It's such a, it's such a difficult web to untangle in a way that like, I think. think is sort of beautiful.

Because, like, there are shows where it's kind of like, okay, so there's like this one central feud and then everybody's on two teams. And like Salt Lake City, it really is that like, it's like this web where everybody's connected to everybody else, but like, you know, trying to like undo the like knot in the rope. And it's like you, you actually physically can't. You know what I want to know from you? So many things.

how do we feel about Bronwyn? I think that Bronwyn is a really, like, fascinating person. I think that she had, obviously, I think she made a very strong impression this season. I think that on the whole, it was like a pretty good season for her. And I think especially knowing that this group is operating at such a high level, a lot of people would not be able to hang. And I think that this season she definitely did. Something that I have been thinking about since watching the reunion

and specifically watching the part of the reunion that Todd was there for is I'm really wondering if she is going to be able to preserve the energy that she brought to the show this season and balance that with her marriage, knowing now that Todd knows about all this stuff that she brought on the show this season. Because when Todd found out in real time from Andy that Bronwyn shared that her daughter Gwen was the one who saw the texts between him and this other woman that he may or may not have had an emotional affair with, that clearly was so like on a deep, not like, oh, he got so many. mad. On a deep level, it was upsetting to him that that was like public information. And I do feel like within their relationship, I don't know exactly where all their boundaries are and, you know,

exactly how they, you know, work things out between themselves. But like, I'm a little nervous that next season, Bronwyn is going to come on and sort of have a different energy a little bit. if this, if they went home from reunion and it was this like massive issue that she had shared this stuff, I, I'm hoping that she can kind of keep the same energy going into next season, but I'm, I'm, I'm wondering kind of how being on the show will change her on the show going forward. That is a great question and a great point. And it does make you kind of think because she can't make the argument moving forward.

And I don't think there's any chance that they won't be back. I think absolutely they'll be back and absolutely Todd will film in some way. But you can't make the argument now moving forward that this show is different from what it actually is. Like Todd, obviously while filming was like, this is a serious docu-series and I don't know why people are yelling, but I don't like that. He cannot make that argument anymore. He might not like it, but he cannot communicate to us that he does not understand what this universe is because he has now lived in it for a season. He's been to the reunion. He has been to the reunion.

he did seem genuinely charmed when Andy was like, good job, you made it, you survived. But with Bronwyn, I think a lot of the issue there with her performance on the show in her life, in her marriage, with her friends, with herself. And I don't mean that, I mean problem is in like complication. I don't mean like, Bronwyn needs to come back. Like that's not, that is a sign seal delivered, she's ours. Like that needs to happen. But I think with Bronwyn, there has to be some sort of difficulty here in the reality that she seems to present to Todd, her internal life, which nobody seems terribly clear on, what she wants to present to the women, just out of gut instinct because of her feelings at that point or whatever else, and then the absolute

180 flip that she does from that fact when she's trying to troubleshoot in advance, it seems terribly complicated and exhausting. And I think her entrance to us and the Bronwyn that she wanted us to believe that she was is a lot, I think she's a lot more complicated in ways that she might not totally understand. And that to me would be incredible to see in a return. Like what happens if Bronwyn cares just slightly less about people liking her and is more guttural in response? Like what happens the episode after that? Yeah. And I think like toward the beginning of this season, like she was kind of, she was very, you know, heavy on this idea of like, get your words right. Like she was talking to Brittany about this, you know, that like,

when you say things, you know, you have to be, you know, basically being like what you say has meaning. And so you better say the right thing. And I do think like from the reunion and seeing her throughout the season, it's like there are some instances in which she, I think, would go back and change the way she described something or, you know, maybe think twice about the way that something was presented on camera. And so I do think like next season, there's a natural kind of learning curve when you join a show like this for the first time. And it affects, everybody handles it differently, but I think every newbie in one way or another kind of has to probably adjust a little bit, change the way they think about something, change the way

they want to portray something. And I do feel like going into next season, I agree 100%. She should be back and I think she will. But like, what are those little tweaks that she's going to make of how she approaches this? Because I think, you know, she's on a cast with women who are seasoned professionals. And they all handle it different ways too. I mean, Meredith and Lisa and Whitney and Heather and now Angie and Mary, like they all approach this show different. And I think that that's a good thing and that's part of the reason it works so well.

But really for Bronwyn, if she's settling into doing this for the long haul, what is her like, what is her like sustainable mode of doing this going to be? Because I don't know that this season for her was like sustainable exactly the way she did it. Yeah. And I think Bronwyn sometimes I just wish for her, but maybe not because it's more interesting TV. I don't know. I just wish sometimes that she could like take the L and be like, I said this thing. it wasn't, it wasn't real or, or I said, we can't get into the necklace. I've talked about it ad nauseum on Andy's girls.

I'm texting Emma right now. I really like, there's, Emma. The way Lisa Barlow says Emma. Poor Emma. I want to know Emma's response. Can someone get in touch with Emma, please? We should see Emma next season. Quite literally.

Emma to friend of. If Emma cameos, which she absolutely could, I will literally die. But I just kind of think with Bronwyn, sometimes she tries to make these things. work and make them seem understandable. And not to use the phrase that a lot of people incorrectly use it, I would incorrectly use if I applied it in this situation, which I'm not. I'm not saying she like gaslights people. Gaslighting it.

You weren't going to say that. I'm not saying it. No, no, no. But there's something to be said for like, Bronwyn sometimes makes decisions. They don't necessarily line up with the truth of the matter or the reality of what happened. But she felt very strongly about it. So she says things. And then we're focused on.

Yeah. You didn't empathize with me enough when I said this thing, but oh, p.S. I miscommunicated it, but also that didn't happen. But it did and it's okay because I got a ring. Like there's just like a little bit. I have like a little whiplash with her. Honestly, I think I mean, she and her other fellow new cast member this season, Brittany, they, they are very different, but they ran into similar issues with that. Like the whole situation with Angie bringing the bottle of wine to prayer night. and that it's like that could have been such an easy one and done thing of her being like just so you know for next time I know that I drink wine but in a situation like that it's not great to to whatever and you know I'm not inside of Angie's brain but I think she would have been able to handle that with a little more grace than when Brittany's like you know that that's not a thing where oh my God how dare you and don't you know how that could whatever and it's like it's a fucking hostess gift like you know it's a fucking hostess gift like you know it's if Angie should have brought, you know, a mixed nuts collection or whatever.

That's fine. But it just was, it was, it was treated like this thing that was so charged. And it's like, just say, hey, next time, please don't bring wine to my like, you know, Bishop's house or whatever. But then there are moments that are charged. Like it's the Bronwyn saying Todd had an affair and then freaking out because, understandably so at that point Lisa and Meredith were like seemingly defending Todd and then it's like wait a second but it didn't happen so actually what they were doing is what you are doing now right but then we have what happened but then you're like still mad at them for doing the thing that you now are yeah totally but then think about I can't even it's not funny it's like Britney Britney making the argument you need to explain this to me I'm dead serious I've only watched part three once instead of my normal 14 times

same. Brittany's saying that Bronwyn harmed her relationship with her daughters. It's not funny. I'm not laughing at her exchange with her daughters, but I am saying that's a nuts thing to argue. That was for Andy to have to be like, your literal interview to join this show. Your hair looked great, by the way.

Go back to that care stuff generation. Your audition tape for the show, you were talking about how your daughters didn't speak to you. With an awkward laugh because she's nuts. Like, icon. Yeah. That's another thing where I'm like, I also want Brittany to stay on the show. Oh my God.

She's there right now. She's there with a bottle of beer. What do you hold beer in, a mug of beer outside, ready to film? She's waiting outside with a coozy. It's one of those things where it's like, I need to know more about this, but also like, are you going to share this with us in a way that is like coherent and or believable? Because that's the thing this season. Like, I thought that early in the season, she and Heather played like pickleball or something.

Oh, right. And they just play tennis. This was when, this was when Heather was talking to her about how she has made the mistake of putting a man over her kids. And really, I think Heather and Brittany have some common ground that I think is really interesting to explore because Heather hasn't always had people in the cast that she can relate. that can relate to some of her experiences. I mean, Whitney, yes, but like, they, whatever. But, like, I thought that was so interesting, but then I feel like Brittany kind of didn't, like,

she couldn't really, like, absorb the lesson that Heather was trying to share with her. And so I'm really interested to see at the reunion, I was happy to see her say, kind of like, yeah, I clearly have a lot of work to do. Like, I have some stuff to unpack. I have some things I need to work on. She's going to TikTok through it all. I don't know.

exactly like how much she's going to really like grow if she stays on the show. But like I'm, I'm enjoying the journey. The thing with Brittany saying she's like in the middle of her journey and trying to. What about me? Literally title of up. The thing with Brittany though in that journey is it's hard to take her seriously ever, which isn't to say that she doesn't have like real things.

But like it's hard when she's fighting so. intensely to claim Jared as her partner, shall we say. We've like skipped over boyfriend. I'm just imagining in her head. When this is a man who taxed women, grown women. I mean, I would hope that the women he contacts are grown. But like, he's contacting Bronwyn to be like, guess what? My dick's really big. Aren't you jealous? And also you're a stupid bitch. Like, do we not, like, how is that not enough? How do you? And then she's like, oh, I didn't, I knew some of it. I didn't know that part. Like the thing that boggles my mind genuinely, but there is a type of person that does this, like, to just stay with that guy. Like, he's such a, he's an obvious piece of shit. He always has been. But for him to be so clear, like, he's trying to intimidate his fake girlfriends.

Because, you know, he doesn't take that title as seriously as she does even well before she had it. Like he doesn't really want to claim her, but he wants to claim the celebrity, but this is how he uses it. Like this is a dirty, gross, shitty man. You know what technique she should try? Ghosting. Do you remember when Jen Shaw would claim that somebody else was doing the retweets on her account? So if she retweeted something nasty about Brooks Marks, it wasn't actually her. It was her assistant.

It was the Shaw Squad. And that made it better. She should say that Jared Osmond has somebody else DM Braun. win for him. The problem with that is that Jared would be like, but they've seen my dick and it's very big. Like he wouldn't be able to go back from that. He would be like yeah, like her interns have seen it,

whatever, like, as big as a pickleball racket, so let's go play tennis. Like it just, it's so bad. It's he's so, he's so gross and I get he's tall. Like I understand that he's a tall person. So we have to forgive everything because of those inches. But like

the feet will never be enough. Yeah, she's Yeah, Brittany has some work to do in a lot of different areas. She's intoxicating. Keep her as a friend of maybe, but I am concerned with some of her social in that she's, well, I'm not really concerned. She thinks she's in on the joke. She's quite obviously, very apparently not in on the joke.

Just nobody, not that anyone is doing this, but I'm just putting out of publicly. Like, make sure she's just a friend of. Oh, friend of. We can't, we cannot give her too much power. We cannot. She was a great, strong friend of this season. Yes, but didn't she film as, isn't this the whole FACTA thing where she thought she was going to be full time? Then they saw the tapes and were like, oh, God, no.

Well, the moment of her, I have mixed feelings sometimes about how much they have broken the fourth wall at reunions, specifically. I think sometimes there are moments where it is crucial to the narrative of what's happening at the reunion. There are moments where I'm kind of like, I don't need to see everyone eating lunch and like Andy checking in on them. But the moment when they sent her away, like minutes before the end of the reunion. Can't. And then everybody went around and complimented each other. And her straight to camera being like, I should be out there. I want to hear everyone saying nice things about me.

Why am I not out there? Gold. Just like catnip to me specifically. And why did they give her the beer? Like they're like pretending. They're like, you're so... I can't take it. I was dying.

And also can you imagine being a cast member on, can you imagine me like Bronwyn or Heather or anybody on stage? Obviously the cameras are in front of you. You look to your left and there's fucking Brittany there with a camera person and holding a mug of beer being like, I'm so close. Like it's, I'm dying. I'm literally dying. Comparing her reunion arrival moment, departure, whatever to Rebecca McGoff. Just like, anything else? Nope.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Do I get on mic? Do I... My favorite part of Rebecca Minkoff was, I guess, Andy catching up in real time with the problematic nature of Rebecca Minkoff being on Housewives. That was sort of a fascinating moment in time.

But great that she's coming out with a book. Oh, she is? I get exclusive to Nordstrom Rack, I would assume. Like, if she doesn't do a collab with Nortstrom Rack, she's a fucking idiot, which we already knew. But good for her. Does Nordstrom Rack do collabs besides just, like, putting your product in their stores? She would be the person, listen, I'm not going to.

A Nordrack exclusive. I'm not going to name names Stasi Schroeder, but there are some New York Times bestselling authors where you know on the list. There's that the dagger, which signifies that some of these purchases aren't real. In fact, a lot of them aren't. They're maybe intended to be purchased by publishing houses or authors to make sure they get on the list. and Stasi's a multiple dagger award-winning New York Times best-selling author, you know that the C-org is buying all of those eight-year-old children. That's how they're going to learn to read one day when mommy and daddy decide that, you know, they're allowed to in between doing manual labor for 18 hours a day. You know that they are all being forced to spend their monthly earnings on a copy of Rebecca Minkoff's best-selling tome.

Do you think Tom Cruise will blur a bit? You know Rebecca Minkoff is like which cast member can I maybe contact to see if they'll just say like I knew her kisses Uba like I don't know I'm sure Brynwood but I mean I don't know I don't know what's going to happen I also have I have Sheena Shay on dagger watch for for later this year oh but you know what if Sheena does it it's okay because it's like that's part of the Sheena experience I would expect Sheena's book title not being any kind of Vanderpump Rules reference. Is it not good as gold? It's called My Good Side. What are we doing here? Sheena fucking up.

The title of her book is so Sheena coded. Good as Golden. It all happened. Good as gold. Oh, it all happened as good. There's literally like. I was on a TV show and now I'm no longer there, but I would still like your time. Has anyone thought about Sheena?

Question mark. Dear God, it's me, Sheena Shea. Literally anything. How shake that. Mrs. Croptop wedding. I got married in a crop top. You know what? I'm going to say this right here right now.

I would buy that audiobook. Can you imagine Sheena narrating the story of her life? I would buy it immediately. Immediately. As long as there's a chapter about Rob hanging a TV in seven minutes. The lives of, so what do you think is going to happen with Sheena? I mean, obviously she's going to get a divorce. But like what do you think it's going to happen with Sheena?

and her future on Bravo? Like, do we think it's going to be, is she going to go with Lala to try to ruin the valley? Or what are we going to do with them? Or just with Sheena. Let's take Lala out of it. I think that Sheena, to me, the Dancing with the Stars thing is funny to me

because Dancing with the Stars, I guess, is like a slight level above some of the other kind of like group reality casting shows. But like, Sheena shouldn't have an issue. you getting on a special forces or traders or whatever, whatever like amalgamation show is being cast. Like the people on those shows are not like more well known than Sheena Shea. And so I am kind of wondering like, is she going out for like, is she sending in a tape for

these shows? Because it does seem like if she, if her number one goal is to stay on TV somehow, like, she should be able to get a gig. The only issue... She was on Vanderpump Rules for 11 seasons. Yeah, the only issue I would say with traitors potentially is that it's not just Bravo people. So I don't know how many people are gunning for the gig. Like you want to maybe have like a summer house Southern charm representative.

You want to have housewives representatives. Like I actually think that's probably pretty competitive. And the Bravo universe, they do kind of clamor, understandably so for additional TV as I think most people would. So I actually wouldn't be surprised if that's a tough gig to get. Yeah. I just think in terms of, in terms of following, in terms of notoriety, somebody like Sierra or MJ are not like more famous than Sheena. Sure, but MJ was a part of a different, NJ was a part of the breakout season. That was the, so we didn't know exactly where we're going. It's done. Chanel Ayan is not, is a two-season housewife on a canceled franchise. Yeah, I agree with that. But I also think,

Traders has done an incredible job. Dylan Ephron is a brother. Who is Ivor? I've watched the show and I still don't know. I love that they had like one British guy who works. So they're like, we got to do that again. It's just,

it's incredible. Nobody has had less impact. Gabby doesn't even know he's at the breakfast table. Gabby, I've been watching her YouTube videos. I don't know if she has a podcast or what, but she does. Okay, she just talks to camera about whatever. I need to,

that's a YouTube. I need to, but honestly, I could just listen to that too, but like, she is, I'm obsessed with her. She is. Does she live in New York? I don't know. Okay, because we need to be best friends.

I die for her. She is really like doing it right in terms of her. Like, her thing that she does right now is so specific. And obviously, it's not going to be for everyone specifically. It's not going to be for straight men who are like, why do you talk like that? But we don't care about them anyway. But we don't care. And she doesn't care about them anyway.

And I love that coming from, uh, the most heteronormative, like, milk toast franchise ever, The Bachelor, that she is, like, leaning so far into, like, her identity and her specific thing. And people are loving it. And I think Traders is a great platform for her because it is kind of silly and ridiculous. And her whole vibe is, like, is any of this serious? Who knows? I don't know.

We're here. We're talking. We're listening. I think that she is probably out of this whole season, I feel like maybe last season, Fadre was like the biggest winner. Yeah. And I think that like this season it could be Gabby.

In terms of winner of like people meeting them, loving them, following them. And potentially after this I feel like I could see her like getting more ops. Carolyn. Carolyn too. Carolyn too. I do have to say I'm not a member of Bachelor Nation,

but I have, you know, used a visa before to go to the YouTube and watch various clips, like lengthy clips of like, worst thing that's happened on The Bachelor. I like, oh, okay, I'll tune in for that breakup on camera when one person didn't know and they thought that they were engaged. Gabby's performance on her season of, I haven't seen The Bachelorette stuff, but her season of The Bachelor when she was with this fucking dumb fuck who treated her and the other ladies like shit. Her ability with another person on the cast who that and I think she like did the Bachelorette with together maybe to talk to him during the finale pre finale, then finale, then the

reunion, then after like reunion before he's there, then with him there. And he's just saying the shit that they all say of like, I loved you. I cared about you. I didn't know. And she's so succinctly would be like, yeah, but that's not what caring is. Like if you say you love you, someone that should come with respect. You do not respect people. So let's reevaluate your version of love. And she said it in such a clear way, but in the kind of tenor that like straight men will like grapple with because you can't just say, oh, she's a bitch. Like he's like, oh, she's saying it in a way where it feels like she's trying to help me. But do I need help? But also maybe I do. She did a masterclass. She's phenomenal. She's very emotionally intelligent.

extraordinarily. And also, again, the sound of her voice. I'm obsessed with it. Like, calm, do an app. Well, where was her Super Bowl commercial? Like, I just, I just think she's terrific. And I need to Google her podcast because that's a better way of supporting her than looking at like bachelor clips from however many years ago. But like, I'm just, if there is, if she has, you know, one fan in the world and she has millions, I am one of them. Gabby, I don't even know her last name, but I'm obsessed with her. Well, if you have one fan in the world, Sarah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna do a tour de bravo, and I feel like we did. We, we did, we did, hit a lot of the stops.

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