Mention It All - The Name On Everybody’s Lips Is Gonna Be Barlow (RHOSLC, RHOC, RHOM)

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

Bravo is back to a three-Housewives weekly schedule, and Dylan is back to break it all down, from a perfectly pitched RHOSLC premiere, to the ongoing sagas over in Miami and Orange County. First, he shares Andy Cohen’s intriguing update about Jen Shah’s potential Bravo future, and whether we should believe him. He also unpacks the Summer House spinoff news, and our first look at Bravo’s Wife Swap experiment. From there, it’s all Housewives recaps, and with Lisa Barlow skipping the SLC RV trip, her legal drama becomes the main topic of conversation. Plus, Whitney and Britani strike up a new (hilarious) feud, and Mary Cosby is participating more than ever. Go to the BravoByBetches YouTube page to watch full length episodes every Tuesday: Youtube.com/@BravoByBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're going to check me both Hey everyone Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast And another Friday And the first Friday In a long time Where we can say that we have Three currently airing

Housewives shows Wow We did it you guys It's a it's a great day. It's a great time. This week has just been so chill and and nothing going on except for three Housewives shows to talk about. We also have some fun news this week in the new show department. We got an update and a trailer and a premiere date for Wife Swap Real House Wives Edition, which is coming out next month. And we also got a very intriguing little teaser of a new Summerhouse spinoff. So we're going to get into that. But first of all, I want to start off. Before we talk about any of the shows that have aired this week with this little clip that's making its way online from Watch What Happens Live. But actually, it's from before a Watch What Happens Live taping. And if you've never been to watch What Happens Live, let me set the scene. So you get

brought into the studio, you get placed in your seats. It's very small. It's very intimate. You're in there. Andy comes out. And what they do before the taping is they usually have Andy do a brief Q&A with the studio audience. Just a few minutes, a few questions. A lot of the time people will ask, you know, I've been there a bunch. People will ask the same kind of questions. Who's, who's your most, who's your favorite housewife? Who's your least favorite housewife? Who's the last housewife that texted you? Stuff like that. Andy, you know, it's very casual. It's fun. Obviously, Andy's not going to answer anything that will, like, get him in trouble or whatever. But also, you're really not supposed to have your phone out during that. They tell you very clearly

when you go to watch what happens live. When it's okay to have your phone out, usually during commercial breaks, they don't mind. But like when Andy comes out, when the show is taping, it's like phones away, no pictures, you're going to see it on TV. So normally we don't really see footage of Andy's little Q&A. But somebody took a video this week.

And the question that someone asked in this Q&A of Andy was, will Monica or Jen Shaw ever come back to Salt Lake City? Now, Monica, I mean, God bless Monica. I don't know what she's up to. I don't think anybody's really checking for her right now. But Jen Shaw, there has actually been a lot of conversation recently. I mean, just a couple weeks ago, we had our friend Gibson Johns on the podcast, and both of our titular, that's my opinions, we're about Jen Shaw either returning or not returning to Salt Lake City. She's getting out of prison in just about a year. And so this has become sort of a topic of conversation because as soon as next year, she could potentially be back in front of a camera. And Andy's response to this question was just this was all he said in the video, I never want to see Jen Shaw again. And so this feels like, you know, a bit of news, a bit of an update because now this is a question that people have been asking. And, you know, I would take anything that Andy says in like an off-the-cuff, you know, casual Q&A format with a grain of Salt. You know, I don't think that Andy saying this means for a fact that Jen Shaw won't be back

on Salt Lake City. I would, it seems like her lawyers are already coming out of the woodwork to be like, oh, well, actually, you know, there are talks. Talks are being had. Okay, Mr. Cohen. You know, we'll see you in court. I don't know. But I mean, it seems to me unlikely, if this is Andy's real sentiment, it seems unlikely that they would welcome Jen back with open arms and a snowflake. But I also don't think it means that we would automatically never see Jen again, or that there wouldn't be any kind of potential for her to appear on the network. But I don't know. It was interesting.

And I was surprised, I guess, that Andy answered that question in such a definitive way, even if I don't think that necessarily means that that's exactly what's going to happen in the future. But, you know, Jen Shaw, she's still working out. She's doing her, you know, prison fitness program. I feel like every other day I see a new photo of her, like, looking absolutely ripped or, you know, sitting on Sharif's lap. Like, I, it seems like she's having a great time, to be honest. And I, I, you know, I'm not, I'm not so sure what's going to happen when she gets out next year. But speaking of next year, we have a new show coming down the pipeline, and they teased this earlier this week with a little, a quick little, you know, real video in the city.

It's the working title in the city of this summer house spinoff where they are going to be, can you guess? Everybody say it together, in the city. I feel like Dorothe Explorer. For a long time, this has been a hot topic, a big question on everybody's lips. What is the potential future for the Summer House OG classic cast on Bravo as they age and grow and develop into different life stages? You know, as Adriana would say on Miami, I don't want to be agist and say that anyone is too old to be partying in the summer house. There's no age limit on summers being fun. Just ask Carol Radzwell.

But I do feel like we have been circling this question for a few years now where it's like, okay, Kyle and Amanda are married. Carl is sober and, you know, leaning into that lifestyle. Lindsay now has a baby. you know, it's felt like we are nearing a, you know, really not nearing. We're at a natural sort of off-ramp point. And the question, you know, my sort of theory for a while was, why don't we just transition summer house into not summer house? Like, these people have lives all the time. They don't just have lives Friday to Sunday, six weeks out of the year in the Hamptons. And it seems like they're doing exactly that. Now, the press release that I got about this show was very specific

that this show is entering production now. So what it seems like, and they have not announced the full cast, we don't know exactly what the makeup of this show is going to be compared to Summerhouse. I think it's pretty clear that it's going to be the Summerhouse kind of staples. We're thinking Kyle, Amanda, Carl, Lindsey, I've heard that maybe Andrea and his wife might be in the cast. It's sort of like a, you know, what Vanderpump was to the valley. It's like Summerhouse is going to be to in the city. It seems like that it's like the Summerhouse core cast and their friends, which makes a lot of sense. And it seems like they finished filming Summerhouse this year, probably just in the last couple of weeks. And they're kind of transitioning right into this

in the city show, which is kind of the perfect way to do it. They'll probably sort of do the summer house season finale as like that backdoor pilot kind of thing, I would guess, where it'll probably feel like a pretty seamless transition. And I, you know, I'm curious like, obviously with the summer house, oh, geez, we pretty much know what we're going to get. There might be new drama. There might be new feuds, fights, relationships, whatever. But like, if Lindsay and Carl and Kyle and Amanda are on a show together. Like, I know what that looks like. But there is a big question mark here of like what these additional potential new people or other people are going to bring to the picture. Because when you think about the Valley, when that show was announced, it was like, okay,

so it's Jackson, Brittany, and Kristen. Cool. And then it's like nine randos whose names I have to learn, who all have babies. And that didn't seem very fun. But look at where we are now. The Valley is appointment television, must see TV, I have endless thoughts about it. And so I am, I'm very intrigued by this kind of opportunity to expand the Summerhouse extended universe just a little bit further. I mean, remember, Summerhouse is technically a part of the Vanderpump extended universe. So we are really, we're going Galaxy Brain here. This is, you know, this is our MCU, and they are, you know, they're announcing spinoffs left and right. And, um, we, um, we're, we're, we're going, probably won't see this show, I guess, until, I don't know, next spring, summer, because

the last couple of years, I think Summer House has wrapped up around May to June. So we might not be looking at this show until summer of next year, but I'm excited to see it. I'm glad they announced it now because if we see people out and about filming, we'll know what it's for. And I think that's, you know, better than like months of speculation. But in the city, we're working title, maybe coming next year. And I'm excited to see it. And I am also so excited you guys to see Wife Swap. Now, I think I talked about this back earlier this year when they announced this kind of batch of new shows. Ladies of London, which we got a tiny little teaser for also coming soon. Real Housewives of Rhode Island. I, you know, I know that's been in production. I don't know when

that's coming yet. But Real Housewives Wife swap was just so interesting. intriguing to me from the moment they said it. And when we heard who the cast was going to be, you know, four for four really strong across the board. Angie Kay, my beloved Angie Kay, she's going to be on the first episode. And by the way, Angie K, Angie Katzenavis, she's just Angie now. We don't need the K, I guess. Angie was here earlier this week in the studio. We talked to all things, Salt Lake, a little bit of wife swap as well. That episode is going to be out next Tuesday. You'll be able to watch the full video. It'll be here and, you know, on Spotify, on our YouTube. dot com slash at Bravo by Betches.

But we talked a little bit about Wifewap because Angie for Wifswap got sent to a like fundamentalist Mormon house in Idaho with no electricity and no running water. And so in the trailer you see Angie like plunging a toilet is not an adequate description of what she's faced with in this clip. It's like she's like servicing a porta potty essentially. but it's in somebody's house. Like, I can't imagine.

And when I was talking to her about it, it sounds like it was a cool experience for her, but like also a little bit, a little bit much. But Melissa Gorga, Emily Simpson, and Wendy Assefo are the other three women that are swapping with, everybody swapping with normies. Well, not necessarily normies, but like non-housewives. And so I'm excited to see it. It's only going to be four episodes. It's one episode per wife per swap.

So it's going to be like, I think they're calling it an event series. I imagine if people like it, if the response is good, they'll probably do another batch. I think it's a fun concept. I think it's a clever way of applying a legacy, you know, iconic reality franchise to housewives. Because, you know, Traders is something new. Ultimate Girls Trip was something new. Like we haven't really seen the housewives sort of participating in these other formats for the most part.

So, you know, who knows? Maybe maybe next year we'll have like real Housewives nanny 911. And we'll have like somebody coming to Gina's house to help her with all those kids. But I'm excited to see Wife Swap. It comes out next month. We also have Potomac coming up in just a couple weeks. It's a good time this fall to be a housewives fan. I think we are going to have a lot to talk about.

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season to perfection, and these women just know how to get it done, and boy, is it a joy to have them back on our screens. And right off the bat, I mean, last season, And I loved the way that they dove right in with Lisa's Bezos party. The full episode, it was like a, it was very soap opera. You know, the full episode basically was at the party with then like flashbacks and things stitched in. And it was like a lot of, you know, a very complex tapestry being brought together with, you know, a tapestry with like, you know, bloods battered on it and like, you know, a lot of arguing.

but this year they have turned the season premiere on its head with a completely different direction that I think was just as exciting. And we are starting off right off the bat going on a trip. Now, this is not something we do a lot on Housewives where it's like episode one and it's like, get in the van! But I actually think this was so smart because, you know, we love these women. And I think the producers and the editors at this point of this show, they know. know what they have on their hands. They know how much gold they're working with. And they know

what types of scenarios and what sort of formats are going to just help them deliver their greatness. And so Angie Katzenavis driving an RV, picking up Mary Cosby, who, by the way, Mary Cosby, season one, her ass would have seen that RV and booked it the other direction. You would not have gotten Mary M. Cosby. I was going to say Mary Marie Cosby. I don't know her middle name. You would not have gotten her on the RV. She's not going camping.

She's not going fly fishing. She's not eating a bagel for dinner in the woods. But Mary Cosby, whatever somebody said to her a couple years ago, whatever contract with the devil she signed, I mean, she wouldn't. of course, she's a woman of God. But Mary Cosby is participating in a way that I never thought we would see her participate. And it is thrilling. It's wonderful. Somehow it has been framed that Angie and Mary are hosting this trip together, which is so funny

because Mary's like, I did not co-sign any of this. Do not put my name on the RV. Do not put my name on camping. Do not put my name on any of these outdoor bonfire activities. I am in the same bucket as the rest of you. I had no idea this was coming. Now, they do, Angie and Mary take the RV to the Beauty Lab parking lot. Where else?

It's like, is there no other place in the Salt Lake City area that like six women can congregate and wait for their ride to show up? It's like, it's like, Heather's like, oh, well, we can park for, free at Beauty Lab, so let's just do that. I love it. But they get on the RV, you know, and then there's this moment where Whitney has arranged for like feds, strippers dressed up as feds to show up at the parking lot, which was like, it was silly. I mean, personally, not to like, toot my own bullshit detector horn. I was like, I knew this wasn't real the second they showed up, right? Was anybody like fooled by this? But no, it's funny. They have the right

to remain, you know, horny or whatever. Um, But I just love right off the bat, everybody still has their kind of like lingering dislikes of each other from last season. And Brittany's like, oh, like, how far are we going? And Angie's like, oh, about an hour, you know, an hour south or whatever. And Britney's like, oh, we'll go past my house. And Mary's like, great, we can drop you off. It's just so perfect. But Heather gives us a little bit of a rundown of where people stand in the group.

So if we forgot from last season, Meredith hates Brittany. Remember that. Heather still doesn't fuck with Bronwyn. Classic. No one knows where anyone stands with Mary. That is par for the course, though it seems like Mary and Brittany, not great. Mary and Angie doing well. Mary and Meredith may be okay.

And, you know, I assume that Whitney and Mary are never getting along because why would they? But the big lynchpin here who is not in the episode, interestingly, is Lisa Barlow. And Lisa Barlow isn't currently getting along with Bronwyn, Angie, or Whitney. So this sets us up for a lot of conversation in the premiere about Lisa Barlow. And, you know, not with Lisa Barlow, not with Lisa Barlow in the room, certainly, but she is with us in spirit. And so I want to talk about this because word on. this street. This is not confirmed. I don't think Lisa has talked about this. I don't think the network would ever, you know, speak about this specifically. But word on the street is that when they

began filming for the season, when they were filming this episode, Lisa was still in contract negotiations to come back to the show. Allegedly, she was asking for more money and this was something that was, you know, still being worked through. So when the premiere happens, she isn't filming. She's not on this trip. This has happened before. I feel like maybe Nini had a situation like this at one point. Like, it's not unheard of on a show like this for somebody to sort of join a little bit

late because they were working on the paperwork, whatever. I don't want to, I don't want to, you know, make an assumption that it was like Lisa's fault or it was somebody else's fault, whatever. She's not there. And this opens the door to, I think, probably the most open conversation we've ever had on this show about anything unflattering going on in Lisa Barlow's life. Because it turns out there have been numerous lawsuits against Lisa and John and her business relating to business stuff, money, things, not paying people. what have you. I am not an expert on the legal situations with Lisa Barlow. So I don't want to, I don't want to like focus too much on that. But what is interesting from like a bird's eye view is

that clearly this has become a big enough story that everyone in the group, with one exception, feels like it is just out there in the world. Everyone feels like it is in the news. It's unavoidable. It's in the, you know, Salt Lake Tribune or whatever. And so this is a thing. They're like, it's an elephant in the room. talk about everything that's going on with Lisa's business. And, you know, Whitney brings it up. Whitney's shading Lisa's business. You know, Angie is like we've, you know, we've all seen it. And Heather, Heather is the one who's like, what are you guys talking about? Why are you all, why do you all know about all this stuff that's, how do you know about all this stuff that's, that's happening

with Lisa? This is so, it's so crazy that you all know about these. lawsuits. And everyone, everyone is like, be fucking for real. Heather, it's, it's everywhere. It's in the news. It's on social media. People, I'm sure, have been sending it to you. And it's, it's like, Heather has this, like, chip in her brain right now that whatever is being said at all negative or unflattering about Lisa. It's like the little, like, warning light, the check engine light in her brain is going off where it's like, oh, this could, this could make Lisa mad and this could be bad for me. And I don't want to, I'm doing good with Lisa right now. So I don't want to be construed as knowing or saying any, or hearing any or knowing about anything that could be like,

uh, she's like panicking and trying to like sweep stuff for Lisa under the rug. And Lisa's not even here. and it just feels like the way Heather is going about this, because I would understand, if you are friends with somebody and you're in a group where that person's not there and people are speaking ill of your friend, you know, trying to kind of play devil's advocate a bit or sticking up for her or saying, hey, we should talk about this, you know, with her. We should give her the, you know, the courtesy or whatever. But it doesn't really feel like Heather's doing that. It feels like Heather is acting from a place of being kind of scared that Lisa's going to be mad at her and trying to kind of like moonwalk her way back out of this conversation so Lisa can't get mad at her later.

And that's just like not, it's not a fun vibe to bring to a new season of housewives, especially when Lisa has not been that great to Heather in the past. And so I don't know, I guess they're doing well right now. Also, I guess Britney suddenly feels like Lisa's a sister to her. I'm like, where did that come from? I'm certain that Lisa does not feel the same way about Brittany, like no shade. But yeah, it's just like, Heather, like, grow a little bit of a backbone. Where's your spine?

It's just, it's frustrating. It's frustrating. And I hope that Heather, you know, Heather is somebody who, like, I, I think Heather seems like a fun, nice person. but like the way that she moves through her friendships and stuff in the group, it's just like, she makes puzzling choices. And we saw this, you know, years ago now with Jen Shaw, where Heather was like her ride or die until like after the 11th hour, when all the writing was on the wall and she still was like,

I will be there for her. I have to support her. I believe her. And I'm not saying, you know, I don't want to pull in Angie and suggest that what Lisa has going on is similar to what Jen is. had going on, certainly not. But like, it feels like Heather is maybe offering her loyalty in a similar way. And I would love for her to not go down that path again.

That's what I would say there. Meanwhile, you know, Bronwyn, Bronwyn has, I feel like, a lot to, a lot to get into in the new season because she had a little bit of a rough go of it with the group last year. So she's, you know, very strong against Lisa, you know, talking about the five lawsuits. all of that. But then Bronwyn also needs to clean up a little mess. And that is that she admits that she was lying last season about buying that necklace, that like million dollar necklace in Palm Springs.

And then even at the reunion, she was being kind of cagey about it. And Lisa was saying she talked to the jeweler and she knows she didn't buy anything. And Bronwyn's defense was like, well, that's weird that she would talk to you about me. Like she didn't buy the necklace. She did lie about it. And she was like, you know, she had a little bit of an explanation about how she like said it to be funny and then it became a thing. And then she felt like she could it not say it. Like I get it.

I don't think that it's like Bronwyn's like, you know, evil upon the earth because she lied about this necklace. But it's like it does make you look a little bit dumb. You know, it makes you look a little bit unsurious. And I think that that's kind of the opposite of what Bronwyn wants to be portraying. So that's, it's interesting. I mean, I'm glad she, I'm glad she admitted it now. But then our, um, our other new girlie from last season, Brittany, she still also is, um, in an interesting place with the group.

You know, people still have a little distrust of her, um, from last season when she was filming. Um, you know, Angie's like, Angela's like, now we know her as like filming girl. It's like, that's not great. Video girl. Um, but Brittany has an announcement, of course, ting, ting, ting, ting. She and Jared are engaged. Oh, wait, never mind.

They got engaged and then they got unengaged two weeks later. She says they're still seeing each other all the time. And she doesn't think he's dating other people, which already, if you have to like caveat it, that it's like, well, I don't think so. That's not a good sign. And Whitney immediately says, well, I see him at the gym and he appears single. It's so good because Brittany's like, what do you mean he appears single? That's not a phrase. What is that?

She's like, well, when I see him at the gym, he's actually at the Lifetime Cafe on dates. And he's introduced me to those dates. And I just love that the Lifetime Cafe is now like going to be a character on Real House House House of Salt Lake City. I just, it's like, whenever our shows have these like specific locations that become important to the plot, it just brings me so much joy. It's like on Real House of New York back in the day when it was like, the Regency was such a thing that it's like, oh, he was at the Regency in front of everyone. On Real House of Dallas, when Leanne said that, you know, someone's husband sucked dicks at the Roundup. It's like suddenly the Roundup is like a place I know. and now the Lifetime Cafe in Salt Lake City, Utah, I feel like add it to the list.

Because if Jared Osman is taking women on dates to the cafe at the gym is hysterical. Apparently the chicken salad is really good. It's so dumb in the best way. And this opens us up to a new kind of, you know, tit for tat feud diner. between Brittany and Whitney, the feud of the itneys. And I feel like this is going to be a fun one, because I don't, I don't say this to be rude. But Brittany and Whitney, both the itneys, they, they aren't like the world's foremost thinkers. They give a little, they give a little airhead energy sometimes, just a little. And so the idea that we have a feud happening on this show

that is kind of like dumb on dumb crime, it just makes me happy. It like tickles me a little bit because, you know, Whitney is opening up about how her business has failed in this premiere. And, you know, she suggests that Britney makes her money by sucking dick, which is just like, okay, sure, whatever. And then later in the episode, when Brittany's talking about it, she's like, she said that I do Jared for money. And it's like, do Jared? What are you 12? I mean, I guess you're Mormon, but like, what are you 12? Do Jared for money. And she's like, no, I said you suck dick. And she's like, I can't even say that. It's like, just so silly. But I think, I think.

think that um i think that brittany and whitney have potential to be a fun little feud dynamic to follow you know because even like when whitney later at night is like really being vulnerable about like her business failing and losing everything and she had to she had to fire 30 employees and like everybody is on the same page that like that really sucks it's good of you to be open about that And Britney's, Britney comes over it and she like gives her like a hug from behind. And Whitney's like, I'm not, I'm not ready for a hug, Brittany. Okay, thanks. Thank you.

And Britney's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I still want an apology for the dick sucking comment. It's like, oh my God. It's going to be a bumpy ride for these two. I can already sense it. But, you know, it's a fun premiere. We get to see Mary Cosby fly fishing. Watching her in the water when the guy's name is Dusty,

and she's like, what's your name again? He goes, Dusty, Dusty, Gusty. She thinks she's going to give CPR to a fish. That's cute. No, but then we end with this fun little, you know, stylistic touch where Heather has cooked up some tale, or maybe it's real, I don't know, about this, like, polygamist girly Molly Sorensen, who is like in the woods.

and whenever people, sinners, go out to the woods, Molly Sorensen just like, I don't know, messes with them, grabs them, kills them? She kills people? I don't know. And so the end of the episode is like the fucking Blair Witch Project on camcorders. The camcorders that Brittany has brought for everyone so they can all be camera girls. I'm like, Brittany, I don't think you should look up what a cam girl is because it's going to be really shocking for you. Maybe that's how you make money. I don't know.

But no, so they're lost in the woods. I don't know. Are they all going to die? Are they all going to? What a cliffhanger. Are they all going to die? No, it's a great way to start the season. It's just a fun episode.

And I, you know, I am really curious to see how it goes when Lisa Barlow rejoins the group because something tells me she is going to get, she's going to get a whiff of the fact that everyone's been speaking about her. her businesses and her lawsuits, and she's not going to love it. And I, for one, can't wait to see that unfold. Salt Lake City, welcome back. Thank you for your service. I'm just so happy. This episode is brought to you by Redfin. You're listening to a podcast, which means you're probably multitasking, maybe even scrolling home listings on Redfin, saving homes without expecting to get them. But Redfin isn't just built for endless browsing. It's built to help you find

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I'm going to let it roll in the background. The one thing that was tough this week is, so they're still on their like split trips. Half the group is in Temecula. And Shannon and Tamara are really like still on the bumpiest of roller coasters. Like the roller coaster that they're on is like one of those wooden ones that was built like a hundred years ago and they're still like, come. It's the oldest operating roller coaster. And it's like, yeah, I can feel every year of that in my ass.

But, no, it's not going well for Shannon and Tamara. Shannon tells Tamara that what she really needs is time. She just needs time. And Tamara, I think these last couple episodes, it's like she is trying so hard to be on this like accelerated history. killing journey track where she's like, no, no, no, I'm going to therapy. I'm changing. I'm working on it. I'm different. I'm Tamara. I'm different Tamara. And it's like, right, that's great that you're focused on that, but that doesn't equal immediate progress and forgiveness with the relationships that you have caused harm to tangibly in the past. And Shannon, I

think is, I fully am on Shannon's side in that if she's asking for time, then Tamara actually should take a step back, not take a step forward and be breathing down her neck, waiting for forgiveness. That's not going to happen. But they're having this, they're having this chat. And Shannon, you know, in Temecula with the group, is, you know, talking a little bit about some of her, you know, family situation growing up and things being challenging. And, you know, she's talking about some specifics, but also, you know, not getting into too much

detail. And Tamara, Tammy Sue can't help herself. She goes, yeah. And then, well, your dad had a had a drinking problem too. So that was tough when you were growing up. And it is, it becomes clear pretty much immediately that this is something that Tamara has, that Tamara knows because Shannon has divulged to her in the past, but that Shannon in that moment was not intending or wanting for this information to be brought up on camera. and Tamara just like can't get it through her head that this is a betrayal in that sense. And she's like, no, well, like, I was just saying it because it was like, and it's like, but nothing. That is a pure man I fucked up.

I shouldn't have said that. I'm sorry. And, you know, I think that Shannon, you know, she has her own things that she's working through. She's not perfect either. but it's just like frustrating when Tamara is so adamant that she is healing and doing better and working on it and changing and all of this stuff. But then like something she is, if anyone is a consummate professional and expert at knowing what to say on camera and when and being strategic and knowing exactly how things can be

used and shown and pulled apart and repeated, it's Tamara judge. And so when she says something like that on camera, she should be the first one to say, oh my God, I, fuck, I shouldn't have done that. At the very least, just apologize. But she's like hell bent on acting like she is still doing something in Shannon's best interest. And it's like, but if Shannon doesn't want that, I mean, Shannon's like, my dad's like 96 years old. You're talking about something from 40, 50 years ago that I told you in confidence. I don't want to talk about that right now.

And, you know, I felt for Shannon in that moment because it's just like, man, it's, it's tough. But that's kind of, I mean, the only other thing from OC this week is that it sounds like Gretchen pays for everything and Slade doesn't pay for anything. She's like, oh, well, we've never had a joint account. So it's like, I pay the mortgage. And they're like, okay, so does he contribute? And she's like, well, you know, we have our separate money. But like, I pay the mortgage. It's like, okay, what about other stuff?

It's like, well, but out. glad that's going well for her. I hope she's happy. Miami, like, I would say like a medium episode. Next week is the finale. Maybe then we'll kind of like dive in a little bit more about this season overall. But there's a couple interesting things this week. Alexia, of course, her like divorce extension, whatever with Todd is about to run out. And she's, you know, convinced that it's just going to be fine. I wish her all the best with that. Whatever. for Julia. Julia's still trying to work on things with her daughters who, of course, are not thrilled about this adoption situation. You know, when she has Luca and Jackson and then Vika and them are not happy. So they're not coming home for Christmas and she's sad about it, but there are like going

to visit soon. It seems like progress is being made. But then Martina comes in the room with her like surly ass attitude. And I'm sorry, Martina like seems like she actively dislikes Julia's daughters. Is anyone else getting this? She's like, because Julia's saying, oh, I think, you know, Vika and Emma are saying, if we had adopted the kids when they were still in the house,

it would have been easier. And she's like, well, they could say that all they want, but it wouldn't have been easier because then blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they could say, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, Julia is like, at the very least, trying to work on things with her children. And she is, I think, trying to maybe be the bigger person, in that scenario and like listen to them and try to work with them to give them what they need.

And, you know, I'm not Julia's biggest defender this season, but I think she's, it seems like she at least is like trying to fix things with her daughters. And Martina just seems to be like kind of pissy about it. And I don't understand. It's like, first of all, you just adopted these kids together, which like, that's a whole other thing. But like, you don't want your wife to be like, like, like, listening and hearing out her daughters that she's like partially estranged from right now.

Like every time Martina is on screen this season, I just like like her less and less. And it's so weird. I'm like, just go be rich and happy and with your kids. I don't know. I don't know. Lisa's, you know, pushing Jody again about getting engaged. Well, she's not pushing him, but she's bringing it. up so she that's her thing um but jody i again respect for jody he basically tells her that he wants to be engaged to her he wants to be with her but that if it's going to be drama and chaos all

the time he doesn't know if he can do that so he basically says you got to go do a little work on yourself go to therapy buy a book i don't know adult coloring fucking anything it's just been too much. And I think that that is, I mean, Jody also has his, you know, quirks. But that seems like good advice. I mean, like, Lisa has, she's been in this tornado the last few years. And I do think she needs to just kind of like bring it down a little bit. We find out that it was Kiki, who put Adriana's age math equation on the cake for her birthday. Kiki's like, oh, I thought it was funny because she likes math or whatever. It's not great after the. fight that they had in Spain where Adriana was like feeling very, you know, age shamed or,

you know, self-conscious about her age. But the Kiki and Adriana stuff is just tough because then we're at this art Basel party that Adriana's throwing and, you know, she finds out that it was Kiki who put the age on the cake and she's very upset. And then we're back just in the loop of arguing about the same thing that they were arguing about in Sivia, which is, you know, Adriana is adamant that, you know, she meant to say wretched instead of ratchet. And she says that Kiki's calling her racist and that that's not what she said and yada, yada, yada. And like, this is a situation where Adriana, I think, is her own worst enemy because nobody else really was still talking about what happened in Spain. Like this is not something where we've spent the last three weeks still talking about Ratchet or Retched or is Adriana racist.

I don't think anybody ever really said, at least not in the cat. I mean, I'm sure somebody on social media has called Adriana racist. But like in the cast, I feel like it was more about like, oh, that's not the word you meant to use. That wasn't the right word to use. But Adriana is like so fixated in her mind on you called me racist. You said I'm a racist. I'm being called a racist. I'm not a racist.

I'm not a racist. I'm not a racist. And like, that's just not a great... It's not a productive way to have a conversation. Whether or not Kiki had said it in the first place, which I don't think she did. She says she didn't. Adriana just, like, is not able to simmer a little bit and have a real conversation. If she feels hurt by the age equation being put on the cake, that's something that they should be able to talk about.

But it feels like Adriana, you know, she has the gut reaction of feeling hurt. And she immediately goes back to this thing from Spain where she felt like she, she felt like she was called a racist, whether or not she was. And she just like can't think about anything else. And so, you know, Kiki storms out of this art Basel party. Julia goes to comfort her. Adriana, of course, is upset that Julia is not taking her side, which is a whole other thing. I mean, at this point, it's hard for me to be too invested in Julia and Adriana's friendship because I'm kind of like, it seems like you guys don't like each other that much. And I'm not sure that I'm like rooting for either of them. So I kind of don't care. I don't know. It's nice to see Lisa and Larsa able to have fun together again. You know, it feels like Stephanie's kind of trying to come in the middle of Alexia and Marisol. I don't think that's going to work.

I don't know. Steph, Steph claiming to Marisol that she doesn't talk about money. it's like, okay, okay, this is semantics because it's like, it's not, maybe you don't say dollar amounts, but you're talking about Birkins, you're talking about Jets, you're talking about how your, if, if money smells good, your husband smells delicious. It's like, yeah, that's, that's, that's talking about money, babe, like we're, what's not clicking here? Stephanie just kind of like every episode, it's, every episode, it's something, and I don't love any of it, uh, but she has her big, Christmas party next year, so next week, so maybe she will turn it around and be a fan favorite just in time for the end of the season. You never know, stranger things have happened. But I'm

excited to see the finale next week. Those reunion looks. Stephanie's reunion look certainly isn't a fan favorite, I have to say. But that's where we can finish this week. Salt Lake is back. Feels good. We got lots to talk about, and we will for the foreseeable future. So make sure that you subscribe. Subscribe to our YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash at Bravo by Betches, like I said, Angie Kay on the show next Tuesday. I'm excited for you guys to hear that one. And in the meantime, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by me, Dylan Hafer, and Joe Diomor, edited by Julia Stanton and Grace Hernandez-Johnson. Socials by Dylan Hafer. Our senior director of studios is Brian Russell Smith, Associate Director of Studio post-production Shannon Jimenez-Sis-Sisone,

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