Mention It All - The Problem With Mary Cosby (RHOSLC, RHOC Reunion)

Episode Date: October 12, 2023

Dylan hits the mic solo for a double Housewives recap, but first, he’s got some strong words for Mary Cosby after her WWHL appearance. With his rant in the rearview, he breaks down the journey of the Angie K rumor, and Monica’s fascinating relationship with her mother. Later, he shares his final thoughts on the RHOC reunion. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey everyone Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast I'm Dylan Hafer It's Thursday If you're listening to this It's Wednesday as I'm recording this

I'm taking a little trip for the rest of this week So I'm recording a little bit early Which means that on At the end of the work day on Tuesday, I watched back to back this week's episode of Real House Stories of Salt Lake City and then part two of the Orange County reunion. A chaotic couple of hours.

And, you know, I considered recording this episode on Tuesday after I had watched those. I was a little tired, you know, takes it out of you. But boy am I glad that I waited until today, Wednesday, to record this. because last night, Tuesday night, watch what happens live. Mary M. Cosby with the hilarious Zeeway. I was really anticipating this watch What Happens Live. And there were some great moments. Zeeway bringing Mary a smushed fillet of fish in her clutch that was designed to look like the cover of her new book,

which, by the way, I've read Zeeway's new book. It's very good. I would recommend it. if you're if you like lisa barlow are an avid reader um i recommend black friend from seaway but one moment of this watch what happens live was really um frustrating to me and this was when they're playing the the time honored tradition playing versacha or habachi on watch what happens live rating rating people's fashions mary of course through every single person's fashion on the hibachi that's not super surprising but they brought up heather's confessional look where she is wearing

this Gucci corset top with the Gucci monogram canvas. There's some red trim. She's wearing a chain necklace. Heather looks hot. This is a good look to me. She looks put together. We know Mary loves a designer label. And Mary's response upon seeing this look is that she doesn't think it's real. Gucci corset because she's never seen a corset in a size 14. And then of course she does the Mary thing where she's like, oh, I'm sorry, that's my opinion. I don't know. Was it wrong? I don't know. Sorry. Shut the fuck up. I'm sorry. I don't think it's real because I don't think Gucci makes it. I've never seen a corset in a size 14. How ignorant do you have to be? First of all, corsets can come. in any size.

And a size 14 is like average? Like truly a normal ass clothing size for an American woman. I'm sorry, like what do you want? But also it's just, even if that wasn't the case, even if you thought it was fake or you didn't, the size, whatever, why would you say something like that? it's so distasteful to me. And so I think Mary gets a free pass on a lot of the things she says.

And I've probably done this too. I've probably given her that free pass because, oh, she has no filter. She says whatever she's thinking. She's so, you know, she says crazy stuff. And it's, it's so entertaining and, you know, it's so watchable and whatever. there's a big difference between making some comment about how you don't really want to be friends with Monica or how you don't want to sit closer to Angie or whatever. And going on live TV and body shaming one of your fellow cast members,

it just is, there's no excuse for it to me. I think it's super disrespectful. And I think, you know, I've seen some some comments. and stuff on social media this morning where, oh, I don't think it's that bad or, oh, you know, it's not that serious or it's not that deep or I thought it was funny. I'm sorry, especially. I'm not looking at everybody's pictures, whatever. If you're a thin person having an opinion on this that it's not that big of a deal,

take a fucking step back and check yourself because it's not about you. you know, if Heather can, if Heather can roll with the punches and she certainly has over the last few seasons, good for her. But it's, it's harmful. It's distasteful. It's disrespectful. It's, it's hurtful. And I think Mary, the more time we have with her, especially this season where it really seems like she has come back with no kind of inkling of even pretending to. play along.

On this week's episode of Salt Lake City at Lisa's Opry Ski party, she's complaining about the food and asking where's the food and can they get a flatbread and can they make it fresh for her? First of all, Monica's like, oh yeah, we need pizza right now. And she's like, get your own. Okay, that's rude, but whatever. And then she goes up to the guy who's giving the pizza to her. She's like, oh, you couldn't even put it in a box for me. He's like, sorry, I didn't want to touch it with my hands, which you know if he had touched it with his hands, Mary would have had an issue with that too.

And she's like, oh, I get it. You're lazy. Just the most out-of-pocket shit to speak to somebody in the service industry like that so flippantly on camera is so telling. And I'm sure a lot of housewives you could find a story of them being, you know, rude to a waiter. you know, telling a driver to call them Mrs. Deliseps instead of Luann, for example. But the fact that it's 2023 and she's just out here with no regard for how her words come across or how her actions are conveyed, it really is, it really is wild. And when it's, when it's framed as fun shade, it's easy to just kind of laugh it off. But calling a waiter lazy to his face or body shaming your cast member on a platform like watch what happens live.

It's not fun. It's not funny. It's not, it's not, that's not what shade is supposed to. It just is, I don't know, it really is rubbing me the wrong way. And I'm, I'm curious to see sort of how much Mary is involved with the rest of the season because she, you know, for all that she complains about, she pretty much has been in attendance, for most of this season, except for staying on the sprinter van for a couple of group activities. And, you know,

I'm not going to be that sad if she doesn't go on the group trip to Bermuda or, you know, skips a couple of parties. I think these women are handling it on their own. And I'll leave it there because I don't want to spend this whole episode complaining about Mary. We've already done, what, eight minutes of that?

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It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. Mary aside, it's another good one. We pick up right where we left off, of course, with Angie confronting Meredith and, you know, over the rumor that Sean hooks up with guys on the side. So Meredith denies this. She denies talking about it. She says she doesn't know anything about it. Whitney says that she heard Meredith talk about it in the airport. Meredith is kind of like, oh, well, maybe I was like talking about that people were talking about it, but I wasn't the

one spreading it. We always, on these shows, do the thing of like, oh, well, I mean, I might have mentioned the rumor, but I wasn't spreading the rumor. It's the famous Teresa with Evan Goldschneider. She's just like, I didn't, I heard a rumor. I didn't spread a rumor. What is a rumor really? But anyway, Angie hits right back and she says that Meredith is the one spreading her legs outside of her marriage, so she has no room to talk. Meredith probably rightly walks away. She's like, I'm not going to stand here and just be disrespected by you. And Angie, chases right after her a couple times in a row. And this is thinking back just a couple episodes ago in Palm Springs when they were calling her a pit bull and saying she's like, you know, yapping at their heels.

Angie, my love, you're not beating the allegations. She is desperate to get a face-to-face confrontation with Meredith. And Meredith just has no desire. She's like, look me in my eyes. Look me in my eyes. Make eye contact with me. It's like, babe, she's not gonna. If you know anything about Meredith Marks, it should be that in a situation like this, she is not just going to sit down immediately and have a heart to heart with you or be berated by you. She's going to disengage. She's going to extricate herself for the situation. And she does. You know, Monica fills Lisa in on the Sean rumor. Lisa's appalled. She's never heard this before. It's interesting the dynamic where Monica and Heather aren't buying that people have not heard this rumor. Monica joined this group six seconds ago, and she's like, yeah, I know about that rumor.

Everybody knows about that rumor. Meanwhile, Heather is like, babe, we live in Utah, and this man is a hairdresser. You think there hasn't been a rumor about his sexuality? I've been to family reunions where a guy wore a cardigan, and suddenly he's gay. That really made me laugh, I got to say. As much as the gay husband rumors, which we've had more than one of now, are not great from a, from like an optics standpoint, if you will, they are very effective at getting everybody heated and getting everybody in the mix and everybody having an opinion and kind of, I don't know, giving the group a shot in the arm. because even if it's only about one person's husband, it sort of feels like it affects everyone.

It's like, okay, Lisa's kind of like, I got to get my ducks in a row. And Meredith's like, well, you're not going to flip it back on me. And, you know, Monica's like, okay, great, this is my moment. But yeah, so Lisa also says she's the real victim in the situation because it happened at her party. that I think is housewives math. It's like, was I the subject of the rumor? No.

Was I accused of starting the rumor? No. Was my party slightly ruined, but also made more iconic as an event for the TV show. Yes. Therefore, it's about me. And I love that for Lisa. Next, though, we get a scene of Angie at home where she's talking to Sean about what has happened. This is, it's a little tough.

I mean, first of all, their house is a little tough. There's a close-up on a giant photo of the two of them in Elektra with a miniature horse. That's a choice. Their bed is just so wide. I don't know if that's a California king or a, what's the bigger, there's a bigger one. I know the Rihanna side, the California king bed. there's a bigger one.

One of my friends has the wider bed, and I can't remember what it's called. But Angie's bed is so fucking big, and I know Elektra loves to sleep with them in the bed. I'm sorry, even for three people. What is that? What are the dimensions of that room? Their house is so,

So weird to me. It just feels like, you know, Kim Kardashian's house that she had with Kanye, where it's like, oh, the architecture is so impressive, but then you see the photos and it's just like white marble walls and there's absolutely no soul anywhere and all the kids' toys are hidden behind a Marricade or whatever. Angie Kay's house is like that, but less visually appealing in an architectural sense. It's like soulless, but also just ugly. I don't know. Anyway, I did, to be honest, I kind of liked Sean's reaction to this rumor, which is that

he's more upset at the adultery part of it than the gay part of it, which, like, like, that's a, that's a green flag, I guess, beige flag at the very least. Because what you always are worried about is that everywhere like, this is going to be happening. It's like, well, I'm not gay. And it's like, right, but are you hooking up with anyone? So I do like that I feel like Sean is angry about the correct part of it. And then Angie's like, it's very damaging to make accusations of infidelity in the Greek community because we got married in the Greek church and infidelity goes against the Greek church. And it's like, Angie, respectfully, I think it's great that your culture is so important to you.

Infidelity goes against marriage in pretty much every church that I'm aware of, babe. Well, maybe not the Mormon one at a time in history. But it's so funny. I mean, what percentage of housewives marriages across the board have ended in infidelity for her to be like, well, to me, as a Greek person, I wouldn't want my husband to cheat. It's like, yes, thank you. As a Greek person, I hope he doesn't. I don't know. Angie, it's like she's, I don't like her, but also I'm, I can't not like her.

I have very complicated feelings about Angie Katz-Navis, and as this season goes on, we'll see. One thing, though, that I think is funny about this rumor is that it's presented by Angie as, oh, well, so some things Meredith was saying about you. when in reality Whitney said that Meredith said it and then Monica heard Whitney say it so Monica told Angie that Whitney said that Meredith said it and I think it's convenient that Angie's version of events

cuts out both of the middlemen and it's just like Meredith said that you're fucking dudes I understand her aim here to really paint Meredith as the big bad in the picture. But it is just kind of, it's like this game of telephone intentionally that then is not going to get revolved for the rest of the season or resolved. Because the next time that somebody talks to Meredith about it, they're going to be like, well, you were saying, and she's like, I never said it. Whitney said that I said it and who the fuck knows where Whitney came up with it. It's the same thing as the ketamine rumor from the reunion last season. It's the same thing as who heard from from where that Lisa did what for jazz tickets. This group has a problem with getting to the bottom of where

rumors and accusations are originating. And, you know, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, It's more entertaining in some cases than others, but overall, it does feel like we are kind of in this season after season loop of finger pointing and like the three different Spider-Man all pointing at each other meme, where it's like, okay, you've clearly all talked a lot of shit about each other. At a certain point, do you really trust Whitney? Or do you really trust Meredith? or do you really trust Lisa? To be honest, you probably shouldn't trust any of them. It's like, I mean, we'll talk about Orange County. That vault is not super airtight. Maybe just don't trust anyone. I don't know. I don't know. I can't tell these people how to live their lives.

Love to see Lisa and Jack getting pedicures together discussing the Book of Mormon, which Lisa has not read, but Jack is in the midst of reading. He says it's very action-packed and they can make it into a movie. Okay. Then Lisa and Whitney go to Angie's house. This is sort of the regroup after the blow-up at the Opry ski party. Again, we're in the cutting out the middleman phase of the rumor where Lisa says that Meredith is doing the exact same thing to Angie that she did to her last year. Again, TBD, all Lisa really knows is that Meredith made one comment about

husband in rumors and nastiness in Palm Springs when she was drunk. And then she's, you know, connecting a lot of dots to get to the fact that Meredith is behind this rumor. But I don't know. I mean, we don't, we don't really know. But then they get into the topic of Monica. You know, Monica feels bad for Angie because she really wasn't there for her in Palm Springs. So I think Monica is kind of smartly hedging her bets a little bit and not getting too far onto either side of the group.

I'm really liking Monica. I'll talk about her scene with her mom. But she still has only been on this show for five or six episodes. It doesn't benefit you to that quickly really, really go to one side of the group. So I think if Monica can kind of, you know, tend her, tend her. tend her houseplants and her outside garden at the same time, she absolutely should. But then interestingly, we find out that Heather invited Angie over, and they kind of had a heart-to-heart, of course, while they were painting birdhouses on the deck, as you do.

And Heather told Angie that she felt bad for not sticking up for her in Palm Springs. That she could have been a little more supportive, that it was tough. and Lisa's reaction to this. Lisa, of course, is super supportive of Angie, you know, she wants that rumor to get cleared up, yada, yada, yada, but really, has anyone thought about Lisa?

Lisa went through three years of this, and she just had a couple bad days in Palm Springs. And Lisa never got a birdhouse painting invite from Heather. Where was her invite? Where was her olive branch? I don't know. The thing is, I don't necessarily think Lisa really wanted Heather's friendship in that way. So that's a bit of a question mark for me, because it's like, okay, Angie at this point,

sort of, you know, not dissimilar to Monica, is in a position where she needs friends wherever she can get him. Meredith fucking hates her. Mary's not giving her the time of day Monica seems to be wavering a little bit she really just has Whitney and Lisa why would she not try to get on good terms with Heather I don't think Lisa ever really

wanted to get to a good place with Heather I you know I get that if it is frustrating to feel like somebody else is getting more support than you but like be for real Lisa I don't think you were going over to Heather's house last

even if she, you know, sent you a handwritten note as an invitation. We get this weird story about Meredith's car accident that's edited in a super strange way. Like, the editors clearly don't believe her or think that she's really exaggerating what happened. It's, like, edited like this, you know, B-thriller movie. and she's, you know, saying she thought her, quote, last actions, last, last interactions of significance or at least this party and now she wants to spend time with the people who matter most. So she's with Broxie. But it's a little weird.

They put the word accident in quotation marks. Meredith has already been critical of this on social media, basically saying, like, this was scary, this did happen. Why are you suggesting that it didn't? weird vibes, but I want to get to Monica and her mom. They have this scene where they take Monica's grandmother to the senior center. This is super cute. I mean, the fact that they're in the McDonald's drive-thru and, you know, it's a big filet-fish

week on Salt Lake City, but they're at the senior center. And it's funny because they leave Nana or whatever her name is. to go play her game. And then Monica and her mom sit down at a different table and are having like a full argument in the middle of the senior center cafeteria. And it's like I feel like we could be doing this literally anywhere else. But their relationship is very complicated. They left the church as a family.

But now Monica's mom has some really, sort of confusing ideas about morality and what she should be doing. And she's still celibate. She doesn't believe in sex before marriage. And Monica has questions about this. But then, you know, she's asking Monica if her kids are, you know, she considers herself Mormon. It's very complicated.

And I think one thing that Salt Lake City has done well kind of over the course of the seasons is, They're really the only show sort of grappling with these questions about faith and religion, which I think are relatable to a lot of people. I think a lot of people, whether, you know, not everybody has the same situation of being in Utah and, you know, the Mormon church and XYZ, but the general question of if you're raised in a religion, making your own decision whether or not that that's how you want to live your life as an adult or finding religion or changing religions or leaving religion. It's a tricky thing.

And clearly it's not super cut and try for Monica or for her mom. And then on top of that, there's this whole other sort of trust and boundaries issue that they're having. Monica's like, the first boundary would be that you could not show up to my house. unannounced and just walk in the front door because, you know, I could be having, I could be 69ing someone on the couch, which, you know, it's a pretty graphic example, but sure. And, you know, Monica's mom is telling her to, you know, have some respect and she has to, you know, she needs to speak to her a certain way. But then Monica says they were talking on the phone last week

and her mom thought the call dropped, and she heard her calling her a piece of shit and a fucking bitch and all this stuff. And it's like, this is really, this is really tough. Monica's mom definitely seems like somebody who makes it difficult to have kind of a smooth relationship with them. Like, perhaps she means really well, or perhaps she has really great moments, but it seems like maybe she's unreliable in the sense of knowing what to expect, knowing what you're going to get,

and really being able to depend on. And for Monica in her own life, that's one thing. But, you know, she has all these kids and she's a single mom and she's, you know, trying to figure that out and also have a life of her own. it's a lot to it's a lot to grapple with it I'm really I'm really curious to see how much we'll get

of this relationship moving forward because I do think it's fascinating and we've had some really interesting parental dynamics on Salt Lake City but not for a while I mean we at one point like season two I think Whitney's dad was really in the picture I don't think that relationship has been

really productive since then. But we don't get a ton of parents on Salt Lake City and I think this is an interesting thing to explore. Study and play. Come together on a Windows 11 PC. And for a limited time, college students get the best of both worlds.

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We closed out this season. I think this two-part reunion was really phenomenal. And Andy clearly feels the same way. At the end, he's applauding them for how productive it was, how much they actually talked through. I get the sense that if everybody on this cast wants to come back, I think everybody on this cast will come back. because I think

I think Jen had a great first reunion. I think Taylor was a fun addition to the cast. I think that the way everybody was able to really duke it out. I mean, there was a lot of, a lot of yelling, a lot of back and forth, a lot of really heated moments at this reunion,

but at the same time, sort of just at the right moment, they were able to reel it back in and acknowledge that they care about each other and acknowledge that they want to get to a better place. You know, seeing Tamara and Heather agree that they care about each other and that they love each other and that kind of thing. After essentially spending half the season, two-thirds of the season, really at odds,

I think that is, I think that's important. And I think that that is the kind of thing that leads me to believe that this franchise is going to be in a healthy place for the next, you know, couple seasons moving forward is because there just has to be that, that friendship momentum. And, you know, seeing Emily and Heather agree that they want to have a relationship and seeing, you know, Jen and Tamara feeling positive about how they're going to move forward. And I, really, it seems like the only, the only source of kind of unresolved conflict in the group is shame. Shannon. Because with kind of both Gina and Heather, it doesn't really feel like Shannon was able to

make the necessary concessions to really turn over a new leaf with those relationships. And it was tough to watch. I mean, they're talking about Shannon's relationship problems with John and how John would ghost her after they would have these arguments and she's never been more in love with anyone. And then he would say all these things and treat her poorly. And then when they were on camera, he would say kind of exactly what she wanted to hear. It sounds so manipulative. And I still don't think she really is at the place where she can fully acknowledge that because

she's hanging out with him all the time and saying that, you know, sometimes they're friends with benefits and, you know, it's tough. And everybody, including Andy, is telling her that it's not good for her and that she needs to move on. And, you know, her kids have left the house. And so she's lonely. And it's tough to watch, but it does still feel like she, to a certain level, is kind of angry at Heather and angry at Gina for problems that probably need to be worked on internally. And, you know, the drunk phone calls are a whole other thing. Shannon is so fucking defensive about these things that we saw on the show and everybody talked about on the show. The fact that she still is claiming that Heather is the only person who knew these things about her and John when Emily is like,

babe, you literally called me. Oh my God. And talking about putting a breathalyzer on her phone, it's like, unfortunately, that wasn't where she really needed a breathalyzer. because watching this whole thing knowing that just days after this was when she got that DUI and now reportedly she's in treatment of some sort, it's a tough look. And I think that really everyone but Shannon came out of this reunion in a pretty positive place. Not necessarily unscathed, not necessarily, you know, super great with everyone. but like on a good trajectory. And it feels like Shannon is really just kind of scrambling a little bit.

And obviously there's a lot going on in her personal life. And so I, you know, I can't imagine they're not going to want her back next season to show all of that. But just in the sense of this as a group of friends, you know, friends in quotation marks or co-workers, whatever. it does kind of feel like Shannon is suddenly the odd one out. And I'll be really curious to see kind of how that goes moving forward. Because at the end of the day, I mean, all the stuff between Emily and Heather and Heather and Tamara and, you know, it kind of feels like water under the bridge. It's like, okay, yeah, we can disagree about who called who a loser or whether, Somebody said they wanted somebody else to get fired or not to come back to the show or, you know, why did Heather say she wanted Alexis to come back and not Tamara?

It's like, give it a rest. But also like, okay, that's their job to argue about stuff, but it doesn't feel that deep. But Shannon, it's going to be tough. It's going to be tough. But, you know, this reunion, it delivered yes to the two-part reunion. I think that is a, I think that's a good takeaway. from this season of Orange County. The two-part reunion, a lot of the time,

it gives exactly what it needs to give. And, you know, that's all we need. That is all for this week. Thank you so much for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show. Wherever you listen, you can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool.

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