Mention It All - The Real Girlbosses of Bravo Ft. Sarah Galli

Episode Date: June 26, 2023

Dylan is joined by Sarah Galli, host of Andy’s Girls, and they start by debriefing on Jenna Lyons’ recent profile in the New York Times. They unpack the rollout for the new RHONY, and how Jenna stacks up against Bravo’s wannabe moguls, namely Bethenny and Shereé. They stick with Atlanta, getting into Kandi and Shereé’s issues, and what actually makes the difference between a good season and a shrug. Later, they talk about the return of OGs, and how they’ve been processing Kim Zolciak’s divorce. Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. It's a new week, but I'm here with, you know, an old friend. You hear the laugh already. Please welcome back to the podcast in studio, Sarah Galley. Hey, there. Oh, my goodness. Hello. How are we?

How was our weekend? Happy Pride? Thank you. Weekend was great. I was mad at myself for missing Queen Whitney Rose's appearance at the spot, New York Gay Bar that I, you know. She did an event there during BravoCon and then is like now doing a little mini pride tour. I'm so into. It makes complete tons. Congratulations, Whitney Rose.

There's the Erez tour. There's the Renaissance tour. And there's the Whitney Rose pride tour. All at the exact same level. It's a busy summer. It is a busy summer. And I saw Leah McSweeney is now doing live shows of her podcast and just did one with Heather Gay in Brooklyn. I did see that.

Awkward pause. Our invites got lost in the mail. I think they did. I was going to ask Leah, but then she posted a story like saying how dare people ask her for comps. Like they can afford to buy a ticket. And I was like, oh, okay. Got it. Which makes sense.

I mean, we've all been there. I, yeah, I very much am on the page where it's like, I don't, I don't need to like beg for anything. Right. But also. If you don't want to go, you don't want to go. I might not go. Right. 100%.

No, same. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, there are, there have been a lot of events happening lately. There's a lot of new shows coming. You, we were just talking before we started recording. You read, I have not read yet, Jenna Lyons' piece in the New York Times about her journey to join Housewives. I read, I skimmed a little bit of it.

You read it. I think, you know, it's interesting to see kind of how they're handling this reboot now that it's getting closer because it feels like it's getting kind of the white glove treatment a little bit. 100% and you know it's honestly personally just helpful for me because I was trying to explain to my mom first what the real housewives of New York is and then second who Jenna Lyons is and I was like she's the person we have to thank for putting a chambre shirt into a pencil because that's the best way to describe her like people aren't necessarily going to care about j crew they're going to care about the way that she changed the culture of fashion for a lot of people um so I was like okay but then the fact that she was on the cover of of the, I don't know if it was the art section, it had to have been, of the Times this weekend is very helpful to bridge the gap for relatives who don't necessarily know what that is going on. But read the times. Well, Jenna Lyons is, and I'm sure I've talked about this when the casting was announced and stuff, but Jenna Lyons is an interesting figure because she is, her influence is much larger than her personal fame is. And so, you know, in a certain circle, she is very famous. but, you know, her impact is even more, you know. Well, that was one of the interesting points that she talked about in the interview and she's saying, you know, like she went from, you know, Michelle Obama wearing her looks and being at the front row of or like Beyonce attending like, I think it was Jay Cruz's first New York fashion week presentation, which took me a second to unpack. But that she was really, she had such a position of power.

And now while there's still name recognition, she hasn't been in the conversation. I don't think in many ways, aside from her one season reality competition show on Max, which I haven't seen. Oh, right. May it's memory be a blessing. Is it still streaming? Who knows? Who could tell you? But I'm sure it was better than Bethany's.

I mean, and what a high bar. It feels like such a fever dream thinking back to the spring of 2021 when I was convincing myself that I liked the big shot with Beth. Bethany. Why were you doing that? How did you even do that? Because I told myself that it was entertaining. Did you? I watched the whole thing. I mean, I watched the whole thing, but I had to start doing Instagram lives because it was the only way I could watch it was to talk to other people during it about how bad it was. It was terrible. Yeah, that feels like, I mean, it truly is such a blip of time that it's like Bethany now is in such a strange place where I guess she still is very successful.

But like her public image is just like. Not great. It's a mixed bag. It's just like on TikTok going to Dollar General and like unboxing her makeup. But yeah, it's weird to think back to like two years ago we had like quote unquote mogul Bethany doing her apprentice shit on HBO Max. It's like, wow, it would be weird to see her like starring in a TV show right now. Well, it does also get into the idea of like girl boss as a profession and also persona because

Jenna Lyons in a way that I find incredibly admirable had a lot of great success. in business and fashion and pop culture in a way, as you said, regardless of whether or not you recognize her name. You certainly can understand her influence versus Bethany, who became a girl boss based on a quasi-girl boss, albeit not successful persona, that then became incredibly successful because of the way she was showing her personality. And what I found so interesting about the B shot, which I keep on wanting to call the B-List. The big shot. The big, whatever the fuck. whatever it is.

Vitamin B. The money shot with Bethany. Vitamin B. Money shot. Is the way that she dragged the winner of the competition whose name I'm so sorry I forget. But so it said at the end of the episode. I think it's Maloxi. Exactly.

That's what it was. Thank you so much. That is like, that piece of information is like deeper in my mind than the Titanic wreckage. It's like, because you truly do mention it all. You truly do. Just pull that one out of the crevices.

At the end of the episode. episodes it would say something along the lines of like, and also the winner might not work for, you know, the actual company, whatever, whatever. And then Bethany said after the fact, you know, like, people take advantage of, you know, winning competitions. And I wasn't going to essentially allow myself to be a victim of this person trying to take advantage of me. And I was like, what an interesting way to look at and penalize a woman who just won your competition by suggesting that her asking for a reasonable salary was her taking advantage of you. And the way that Bethany framed that conversation, I thought, was incredibly revealing about the way she looks at.

And you could talk about this about any number of celebrities. There's been a lot written about the experience of working for the Kardashians. The ways that certain women celebrities have reached great success through the ideals of girl bossing while doing their absolute darnness to ensure that other people don't succeed. Right. The public persona is very like, no, you're worth, Mama. But then behind closed doors, it's like, don't take anything from me. Money grubbing bitch. It was just also so interesting. The way that Bethany could have just said it didn't work out. But instead, she's like, I need to make sure that I shame this person who just won this competition.

Like the absolute lack of empathy or grace is very symbolic. and also symptomatic of Bethany now, which is why for some of us, I count myself as a recovering Bethany Stan, there are many moments where I look at her. I'm like, oh, God, I still love her. Like, there are moments where I just really like, I appreciate her, but also she's so toxic

and the ways that she has celebrated her toxicity in moments like that, I just find deeply unnerving. Question. But I still like her. It's terrible. I'm in recovery. I'm in recovery.

At this moment in time, who would you say has Girl Bossed more successfully, Bethany Frankel or Cheray Whitfield. Okay. We need to talk. Shiree is, she maybe isn't in profit yet, but maybe by the end of the year. And, you know, she would never just slap her name on some she enclosed, but everybody does that.

So she's doing it, but it's not bad because everybody does it. But that's not what she wanted to do. But also, everything that you see on a runway presentation doesn't make it on the website. you know, there's drops and there's collections and, you know, all the stuff. How do you... It's one of those moments... And the website did crash. Thank you very much.

And it was a holiday. It was a Sunday and then a Monday and there was a holiday weekend and nobody was around. It's one of those moments when I wish that existing OG housewives watched other franchises because I think if Shire had watched previous seasons of New York and had seen some of the learning the learning curve that Sonia went through and her sometimes not ideal business decisions. I think that might have helped Shiree in a way, unless she just looked at this is like, this is somebody else completely unrelated to me because it feels like she's making the same mistakes that Sonia did. And it's, it's incredibly unfortunate because when you talk about

name recognition and influence, she by Shiree has such enormous name recognition. and that at a certain point, it doesn't matter what the item is. What matters is if it's affordable to people buying it. And that's the mistake that she ran into. Both it wasn't original designs and also it was way, way, way, way too overpriced. Right. Unfortunately for her, I guess maybe this doesn't line up with her vision of what her brand, her fashion house or, you know, her atelier is going to be.

But that it's like the people who have been. waiting for she by Shiree for a decade would buy the fuck out of a $40 sweatshirt. Or 50 even. You know, whatever. Merch costs money and people buy a lot of merch. We just saw Ariana and Katie say they sold $200,000 worth of merch for a sandwich shop that is not open yet. But like for Shiree to think that after all this time, people are waiting to spend $200 on a track suit is just wild. out of sync with the reality of what this brand means to people.

That it's like people aren't waiting for Shibai Shirei because they think it's going to be like God's gift to fashion. They're waiting for it because it's like, LOL, this is iconic because it's a housewives thing. Which is why I think that had, and Sonia ran into this too when it came to the idea of like affordable fashion. Right. Because there is an idea that they both have in their heads of like,

no, but I like a certain caliber of fashion. And so that's how I'm going to price these items. But if you look at your contemporaries, they're not, Sonias is different because she's selling dresses and different items. Right, right, right. Shire is more athleisure. But if you're looking at your contemporaries, which at this moment in their careers as fashionistas,

are not other people in the fashion industry. It's really other Bravo lives and specifically housewives. And if those people are selling hoodies and other comparable items, for a much smaller price, you're not going to spend not, you're not a consumer, which is a viewer, is not necessarily going to spend $200. They're also not going to be able to continue to support your brand. It's like a runoff. The Sonia thing is a good comparison, but it's like Sonia's in a way, it's like even more bleak

in a way because it's like, if I'm going to spend $200 on a cocktail dress, why would I, why would my instinct be like, you know who probably makes the best quality cocktail dress for $200, Sonia Morgan, New York, where I see her on the show going to some guy's house in New Jersey, where they're like flipping through binders of the finances. And it's at Century 21. You know, like, no, no, I love Sonia. And I think she meant well and maybe was led astray in some of her business dealings over the last decade or so.

But it is like, with Shiree, at least it's like, at least her name is on it. There's a logo. There's like a, if you're wearing the she buy Shire thing. And it's like, and if you know, you know, nobody's ever going to stop you on the street and be like, is that the Sonia Morgan, New York? Is that last season? Is that the dress? Like, I don't know. It's tough.

And I think, like, when Candy is, like, her whole back and forth with Candy where I understand why Choray is frustrated or angry at Candy for seemingly kind of making fun of it. But then also when Candy's like, girl, you've got to have a sense of humor about this. like everybody, you know, it's a, it's a funny thing. It's tough because it's like, you know, business is personal. And then when Sharray's like, well, we went to your restaurant and we waited three hours to get food and I was never talking bad about that. It's like, well, now you are. I did think she actually sort of had a point there, though, even though she was obviously pulling this out of her pocket to try to get candy to shut the fuck up. There was something to be said about the fact that she was like, I had a negative experience with one of your quote unquote brands.

and I didn't say anything publicly, which I honestly understood, but it's not like candies, restaurants have been in the media for like meal stuff. You know what I'm saying? It's not like, she's not getting Michelin stars. Right. Versus the Sharray thing where it's like, that was such a big deal. And the way that it had been timed with, it was either the, it was with the reunion or the finale when the launch would happen online. I mean, it was the thing that everyone was talking about.

And so when you say, like, let's have a little sense of humor, I think also this is a total joke to suggest this, but like maybe a little awareness because the way that Choray was like, Candy, shut the fuck up. Like you don't have style, so I'm not going to listen to you. And it's like, okay, yeah, you could say that. But also, Candy as a businesswoman is incredibly successful and knowledgeable. And you're just being like, I don't like what you wear. So you're dumb. I'm like Cheret. Chiray equating this to taking fashion advice from Candy.

It's really not about fashion. Nobody, I mean, of course, the, like, slapping a logo on a Sheean sweatshirt is a piece of it. But, like, that's not really what Candy's getting at overall. And that's not a question of fashion. That's a question of business practices. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now.

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Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you. cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear up on that envelope. It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. This is like kind of a tangent, but I, over the weekend, I was obsessed with these posts that I was

seeing of Sheehan sent influencers on a brand trip to China to visit some of their their Instagram warehouse. You guys, if you have not, if this hasn't crept its way across your timeline, do some little searches because it is absolutely wild watching these people dressed in like streetwear outfits going to these, showing up to these factories in China. Very quiet. that have so clearly like I don't know for a fact that this is like not a real facility but it is certainly done up in a way that suggests they knew the influencers were coming and prepared it in a

particular way and they're like wow I had lots of questions and I was so glad I got to see the truth for myself and get all the answers thank you so much she and for paying for my trip to China. It's spooky. But like, imagine if Shireh was at the Shian factory. She would be doing the exact same. I mean, like, it is, I could see that for her. She's like, wow, these things are pretty high quality. I was also very into, I watched a couple of those videos. I was very into one of the influencers whose bio said like investigative journalist, which I was like, okay, because you Google. Is that what your credentials are? She's like, you know me. Mama's a journalist, so I had to get all the T. It's like, it's like, yeah, I don't think you know how.

how like reporting works. I don't think I don't think you know how like business practices and factories work. I mean, it was incredibly awkward. But so much was there was a little awkwardness to that combo too. And the fact that they landed in a decent place I thought was interesting and sort of confusing and watching Shari's reaction because the way that Candy just kind of apologized, I felt like I could see a moment of Shari being like, wait a second, let's not end. Like she was, she wanted it to continue a little bit, which I get because it's, yeah, it gives her something. It was both, I thought, genuine frustration on Shrey's part, but also like, wait, wait, wait, I'm not, I'm not done yet with this tension.

Yeah, and I think, well, on last week's episode, Sherey organized that whole Gucci brunch where the whole idea of it was there's all of these different conflicts within the group. We're going to have one brunch where everybody comes together on, you know, at my time and place. and all of this is going to be fixed or, you know, soothed or something. And, I mean, ambitious for Shiree to be the one planning that. But I do think this season of Atlanta, I'm enjoying it on one level. But then I think like some of the actual conflicts that are happening just feel a little bit neither here nor there.

And I'm really feeling that with the candy. and Marlowe thing about Marlowe's nephew who was shot and killed a few years ago. And it just is, I'm really struggling with the way that this was just kind of randomly brought up a few weeks ago. And now it's their storyline for the season. Like, it really feels like it came out of nowhere. And in a way, I kind of understand Candy being like, what? Like, oh, that's what this is about? Like, what are we doing here?

Yeah, I don't know what to do about Marlowe. I really don't know what to do because I feel like she has deserved this 100%. She's been at many points a vital part of seasons past. And I just don't know if this is working out with her full time. And I want this to work out for her, but I just don't think she's a good fit. And I don't necessarily trust her instincts for what she thinks is going to, like, give a moment, not specific to what's going on this season, but also last season. It just, it feels like there's a certain amount of effort on the part of the audience to, like,

think this is good. And I just don't know that this is working out. And I don't know that you can go from being a friend of for over a decade to a full-timer for a couple seasons and then maybe back to a friend of. I don't know that that's possible, but I also don't know that this is working out. And I think your second season, we should have an idea of whether or not this is a good fit. There's something about it that I'm like, I just don't think this is working out. And it makes me sad because I wanted it to. Well, and on this week's episode, like, the whole last chunk of the episode is we're seeing her on this date. And I know it's been a criticism of Marlowe

over the course of her time on the show that we don't see her personal life, we don't, there's all these insinuations and accusations about her dating rich, older white men, billionaires, whatever. People love to like throw things out about her,

but it's never like, we're never like seeing any relationship dynamic from her. And so, in a way, I guess it makes sense to put a scene like this in there where it's like, okay, we're seeing Marlowe do personal life. But it's a little bit like, okay, I don't know if I, I still don't know if I, you know, we didn't have it before, but now that we have it, I don't know that I necessarily need it.

The date to me was not even sort of what I was thinking in terms of like not being a good fit. Like I do think it's important that we see other aspects of her personal life. I just think in the group dynamics. It's just, and not all of that obviously is Marlowe's fault, but it just doesn't feel like a good fit. And I say, that noting that last week was the first episode this season where I was like, oh, okay, we're, we're onto something. Like, it felt like it was a, um, there was a energy that I have found missing. And this week, I thought it was like a solid episode. I just don't know. I mean, like, how would you diagnose Atlanta this season? I think it's, it's like a little bit of a shrug in a way that I think is not like inherently bad, just kind of like nothing for me is quite popping off. Like no part of it is really like capturing my attention in a way that I there, I think last

season people had kind of mixed responses, but I was really enjoying myself for a lot of the season. And I think, you know, for me, like the, the hallmark of a great housewife season is not just like, how explosive is the drama? Like there's, there are a lot of different things that can be good. And I think this season, there are pieces that I like and there are pieces I think. are working well, but overall it just, it doesn't feel like it's like adding up to more of the more than the sum of its parts maybe. And I think the, I am interested in Drew's personal

storyline. I obviously knowing what is ahead for her and Ralph, I think it's, it's, you know, tough to watch, but also really interesting. Like her, I've always enjoyed Drew's kind of like sense of delusion and when she's talking about when she, her sister. Her sister, coming into the picture, this episode is really interesting. But Drew's description, I wrote it down because I thought when they're talking about how her sister Allison was managing her for a long time, but then stopped managing her a few years ago because she was having some mental health issues. Drew just saying she was in no stable condition to handle the workload of my career.

And it's like respectfully, what was the workload of Drew's career a few years ago? And was her sister playing more of an assistant role? Is that what? Yeah. Because I could see that involving a lot of work and possible confusion. I mean, we've seen how that works with the Sonia dynamic, how working with family can be potentially a good opportunity, but also incredibly stressful. Yeah, seeing the Drew and Sonia parallel there with having sisters or a brother-in-law working for you as manager, assistant, hairstylist, whatever you need from them that day. it's an interesting thing to consider.

I don't know if I feel like it's ever really the best route to go. But it did make me laugh when they were at the roller skating rink for Drew's video shoot. And Drew's like, oh, yeah, she managed me since I was eight. And Allison goes, since you're, how old are you supposed to be? I know, she's like, wait, just get it. And Drew's like, don't worry about that right now. Yeah, I mean, what did you think about the Allison Ralph dynamic? They came together at the end.

They did come together at the end. That was sweet. Yeah. So basically she had accused, Allison had accused Ralph in the past of being controlling and manipulative, which I will just say she was correct. Ralph's response to that was to ban Allison from their home. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

For a period of years. Seemingly at the point in which she was struggling with her mental health. And so she has never. visited them since they moved to Atlanta. It's the first time it seems like that they're really spending time together in a few years. And I thought that was super interesting. I like meeting, I like meeting the people in these women's lives. I think it gives you some really good context. And also, I mean, since day one of Drew being on this show, we've been pretty well conditioned to think Ralph as like a scumbag. And so seeing this woman who has obviously gone through

some struggles personally, but it seems like has the correct opinion of Drew's marriage situation. I'm like, okay, I'd like to hear from her. I'm interested where this is going. It seems like she means a lot to Drew. And so I'm glad that they're spending time together. But I don't know. I'm interested to see where it goes. I mean, I'm sure this will be a part of the reunion. I'm like extremely, I'm fairly confident it will. But I would be curious to hear the conversation between Andy. and Drew about Allison and like what specifically did she say to you however many years ago, did she also say it to Ralph? Did you tell Ralph?

How did that lead to like the pause in your relationship and how do you feel about what she said then now? Like do you think that she was wrong and do you think that you were potentially wrong in your response to her? And how much of your response to her and this whole like banning from the house, how much of that was Ralph's rule or regulation that you agreed with or did to pacify him or whatever else? Totally. I think Ralph and Drew clearly have a fraught dynamic in the way they handle things as a couple and individually.

And I'm excited to see Drew kind of emerge from that whatever mess and maybe thrive. I don't know. I think she's, Drew's having like a little bit of a weird. season. I know she was, she like wasn't in the first episode or two and then COVID, I think, right? Yeah. And then she had the flu, so she didn't go on the trip to Alabama. And there was a family crisis. Yeah. So I, we're like seven or eight episodes into the season and it feels like Drew hasn't been quite as involved. But I do really enjoy her vibe just because she makes me laugh, like the way she, the way she handles things. Good sleep is everything. That's why Ali's science back

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Like, why would he say yes to that? I mean, I think he might say yes to it if he feels like he needs to share his perspective of what's happening. Not to say that that's a good idea, but I could see in his head thinking that like I have the right to have my voice be heard. I mean, the fact that they were like racing each other to the courthouse or whatever. to see who would file first does not and to indicate that this is going to be a great separation, divorce experience. But we'll see. I could see him attending because he wants to speak out.

And who knows how she would respond to that because they haven't been, they obviously have been united enough to say that our marriage is working or whatever. I would be curious to see both of them acknowledge that this maybe hasn't been. been working for a minute. Yeah, I think that's watching this season, knowing that their separation or divorce happened either after filming or towards the end of filming, I was curious to see during the season if we would get more storyline of like, we're really struggling. And it seems like Drew is kind of going the opposite direction a little bit where it's like, we have 99 problems, but chemistry is not one of them. Like, I promise we fuck all the time. Like, he's the backup to be in the

video, but I'm so happy he's here. Like, there are like, I mean, there have always been little kernels of yikes for the two of them as a couple. But this season, knowing that it is going to come to an end, you know, in a matter of weeks or months after these scenes are being filmed, it just is a little bit like, girl. Yeah. And I know that there were some number of people, maybe a lot of people who are really interested

to see how this dynamic would play out in. light of the news of their impending divorce. And I wish I was one of those people, I guess, because maybe it would make watching the show more interesting. But because he's always been toxic and there has been an understanding many of us have had that this dynamic has not been healthy or great, like the fact that they're getting divorce is like, yeah, I am not surprised by this. So what are we going to watch this season that's going to be more surprising or out of pocket than his behavior was seasons prior. Like, what's the big reveal here?

The reveal that we've always seen this. Many of us have, maybe not all of us, but it's not surprising that they split. To me, it's not terribly surprising that they broke up. So the idea of like, stay tuned so you can see what happened to their split. I've already seen it. It's not, none of this is inconsistent. Right. It's like, does he go to Tampa again?

Like. And then blame her. I mean, yikes, not ideal. I, it's, God, I feel weird about Atlanta. I really do because I, I, it feels odd to be like, I'm not quite sure. And I'm, I'm thankful for the most recent episode and the episode prior. Hopefully that's just like, this is the upswing. It was not a great start or maybe a slower start than what we're used to for Atlanta.

But maybe now we're building. So I'm curious to get your thoughts. In the preview for next week's episode or actually, I think they're taking a week off. So, whatever. In the preview for the next episode, we see. this meeting happening of the OG's minus Nini, of course, who is, you know, not on speaking terms with Bravo. So it's Shiree, Kim, Lisa Wu, and Dishon.

How do you feel about this? I know that I'm sure there will be discourse about the Nini erasure kind of, which already has happened this season as they did that throwback graphic with her edited. out and then re-edited it to not do the throwback graphic because people were like, hello. Is the Atlanta OG something that you are like interested in? I don't know. I'm probably most interested in Deshawn, to be honest, because I just, Deshaun, there are some breakups that have happened that have really caught me off guard.

I would say Deshawn's and probably Lisa Wu's among them where I really thought like, oh, this was, it felt to me like you were watching. people who had their partner. So there have been divorces that I genuinely, and it just, it happened so long ago that I would be curious to see them, but are they background singers? Like, what's the vibe here? Are we going to get updates on their lives? Or are they just there because we know them? I think it, to me, the fact that it's all four of them kind of makes it seem like this is probably a, you know, we have, we, we have an opportunity to do this thing. It'll be something like a little cute, a little fun, a little bit, like we can tease the OGs returning

to the show. I don't think this is going to be some big storyline. I have a feeling it's just kind of like a one-off. I'm meeting up with my girls. You know the girls. It's the girls. I'm not against it. I love a throwback. I do think it's, I love a cameo. It's interesting though because obviously Kim has been in the news lately. Oh my God. And I'm curious to see. if this feels at all like it's going to be planting a possible seed. Because I think anytime Kim Zulziak is in the news, people are always like, what if she came back? And like, I have never been somebody who's like dying to see more cam on my TVs. I've famously never watched an episode of Don't Be Tarty.

Oh my God. You were not missing out. There's like eight seasons of Kim. I haven't seen that I could if I wanted to. But like I think that's interesting. And I'll be curious to see obviously. this was filmed before their divorce news and, you know, foreclosure question mark or whatever else. But like, is Kim going to give us anything or is it just going to be kind of like a, wasn't it fun that we knew each other back in the day?

I can't. Speaking of divorces, I cannot believe that Kim and Croy, that that split is as acrimonious as it is. It feels, it honestly, genuinely feels so shocking to me. And it's one of those things where they isolated themselves and became estranged with their families. And the whole thing was like we only have each other. And we're enough. We don't need anybody else in our lives. And the ways that this has combusted.

And I don't know what the support system is like for either of them aside from their kids, which include young children, which makes me slightly oi. Our modern day, Bonnie and Clyde. I mean, Bonnie and Clyde. Sure. I don't know about that. I just can't believe it. It's shocking to me. Yeah.

I don't. The thing, like, it's, their divorce is not surprising to me in any, like, literal sense. It's more surprising just because I kind of thought they were, like, going down together, like, on this, you know. They're, like, the couple, like, hugging on the bed on the Titanic. Oh, my God. And then their great-grandson is on this. I don't know. Dylan, no.

My brain keeps going there. But like, I don't know. It is just kind of, you're right that it is very messy and there's stuff about Kim's drinking and cheating and gambling. Crypto. This came up. I went to watch What Happens Live taping last week that is actually airing tonight with one Jennifer Lawrence. Oh my. No big deal.

She was filling in for somebody at last minute cancellation. But somebody asked Andy a question about whether he saw it coming. No, I think it was specifically about whether he believes that Kim cheated and he said no. So, I mean, I don't know if he knows anything or if he's just like, you know. Was that ever, apologies. I don't, I don't remember adultery or however you want to call whatever you, how you want to call it. Well, I think I think being a part of us. I thought it was more like deep.

Yeah. Financial. I feel like they're kind of at the point where like everything is on the table. That's true. That's a good point. That's a good point. And also, I mean, like you said, there's young children involved in clearly there is disagreement about what the best custody situation is going to be.

So, like, it really is, it's tough to see when you feel like all of this information is being deployed strategically, that it's like two people can split up and have any number of things wrong in their relationship. And, like, we don't need to know that. Like, you can just go your separate ways, but that when there's a custody situation, like those things really do make a tangible difference. in terms of like if you're arguing that somebody isn't financially responsible enough to take care of the kids, like that can really impact the situation.

Yeah. And the number of times apparently the police has been called while the kids are there because of whatever argument taking place. And he then filed something to the court about having someone be, I don't know, for the kids, some sort of advocate for the kids. Like it's just, I hope that this ends in a place where, because they have so many children together, Yeah. And obviously they're in a position where it's not like someone can move out. It's not, it's not like the Bethany Jason dynamic or any number of divorces where you stay because if you leave, then it's like, do you have the right for residency and it all becomes financial? It's like neither of them can't afford to leave that place. They actually also can't afford to stay there. So it's closing time. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. Oh, no. I really, it's so shocking to me. So we'll see. We'll get to watch Kim talk about how great Croix is doing and how great they're doing together. But you know what? That's the kind of thing where

memories talking about all of those factors. It's like, I don't really want to see that on the show. Like, that's what you're going to get if she comes back. Exactly. And that's what I think there are people who are like, wow, this is messy. Get Andy in a camera. Whereas like, I don't actually, it doesn't sound fun to me to watch Kim go through an acrimonious divorce as a friend of on the housewives. I don't think we would see any of it because my guess is that he would not allow those kids to film. So it would just be like her in a room with Choray like packing up bathing suits that they didn't sell. Like blinking at each other.

Oh my God, wait. Piaz, did you see that Jareit is having a sale in her bathing suits and everything is like $50? Everything is like $17, originally like a million, except for Lisa Vanderpumps, which are on sale, but not for as big of a discount. Oh, wow. If you're last minute worth of July plan, go get your Beverly Beach by Derreet. I still thought she should have gone with novice swimwear.

I liked that name better. I don't remember. Real quick. This week, I believe, Mark's another OG's return to Bravo. I think Vicky is making her first reappearance on Orange County. Doing a beer thing. Yeah, we didn't really talk Orange County. But I'm curious just like a quick vibe of like how do you feel about Vicky's

return in whatever form it's going to take. I am completely agnostic. Agnostic. I don't have one feeling when we're here, the other. I'm into the Trace Amiga's possibility. I really don't have any feeling of any kind. I love that for you. I kind of feel the same.

I just want good TV. Just give me good TV. I feel the same. And so far, OC, this season, it's working for me. It's good enough. Um. Maybe you can come back later in the season. and we'll debrief a little more

I'll just want to say as someone who has a close personal, not literal, but close personal spiritual bond and connection to Shannon Bador, hashtag I stand for Shan. I just think some of this stuff with Tamara feels so,

it's just another day. It's just another thing where Tamara doesn't communicate or understands who Shannon is but won't respect that or understand that that will mean she's going to behave in a certain way, doesn't communicate what she needs as a friend and then explodes at her rather. It's just like, oh, we've seen us like 30 times. What did you, you know who

this person is. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited just to see them kind of get past the initial situation. Because we know that they're fine now. Right. That's the thing. It's like it's so awkward. I'm interested to see, I feel like we probably have a couple more episodes of like tiptoeing around each other. And then Heather. We'll get fine. So. Yeah, I want to see how the Heather shift happens. because to be honest, when the season started, I was very confused about the tension between, the tension with Tamara talking about how upset she was at Shannon and making literally no mention of the Heather of it all,

which would to me be a bigger deal since allegedly Heather is one of the reasons that Tamara wasn't back because of the whole like podcast thing or whatever else. So I would think that that would be a bigger deal to Tamara, but maybe Shannon was her a moose-bush, you know what I'm saying? And she was just like. I think Heather's a little bit of an entree. I mean, I think. And then she, and then Heather's like, rest in peace, right?

Like, we're done with Heather. Like, Heather's, like, gone now? Are we just all? I don't think so. You don't think she quit? I think she's, like, quit. I think she keeps quitting. I saw her last week.

Cool. So I know she's out. She's talking housewives. She's doing press. I don't think she's, like, quit. I don't think there's a chance in hell she's going to be back next season. We'll see. Dot, dot, dot.

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