Mention It All - The Real Nightmares of Beverly Hills Ft. Caroline Blair

Episode Date: July 6, 2022

The ladies of RHOBH have been self-destructing as of late, and Page Six’s Caroline Blair joins Dylan to recap why Kyle is the latest Housewife in the hot seat. They also discuss the new season of Southern Charm, and the women finally being as messy as the men. Later, they chat about how to know when it’s time for a casting shakeup, and which franchises struggle with real friendships. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer, and today I am excited to be joined by a new guest. She is a reality TV reporter at page six. She's always got the scoop. She's got the tea. Please welcome Caroline Blair. Hi.

Hi, thank you so much for having me. I'm literally so excited to be here. I am excited to have you. I'm a big fan of the whole page 6 team. I feel like every, you guys really run deep. Thank you. Oh my gosh,

we try. I mean, I feel like our literal core, at the core where all, we just, we all die for housewives all the time. Exactly. The first time I met you

was actually at the Winterhouse premiere party, I believe. Oh my God. That was the like most, I think that was like the most fun night I've literally ever had because it was,

it came off. right after like COVID and everything. So it was like the first kind of like premiere party that they had and I was living for it. It was amazing. Love every second of it. It feels like that was so long ago yet it still is within this like one year cycle that we've had of winter house, then summer house and now Southern Charm is finally back. Thank God. I, I'm really pleasantly surprised by Southern Charm so far this season. Like I, Southern Charm is one of those shows. It was like an early pandemic binge for me. I was always like, oh yeah, like there's some good moments, but I don't care that much. And this season, I'm like, oh, this is spicy. Yeah. I'm into this. It's so funny you say that because

like I have been a Southern Charm Summer House like, oh, gee, like those are my Bravo shows going into it before Housewives even. And obviously now it's like, oh my gosh, like they're all amazing. But it's like such different drama on Southern Charm and Summer House versus like housewives. So whatever I like tell my friends like to watch bravo to like ease them into it you know a little summer house little southern charm um before you're like half times of jersey um but yeah southern charm is really doing it for me this year i mean we're only like two episodes in and the drama is like already so interesting especially because you have craig who's literally on three shows at this point and so we're just like following him in page's journey him and iommi love that cheese back and i just think

they're like really doing well this season. I'm just proud of them and happy to be here. It feels, because their last season was the one that was, you know, peak quarantine really got interrupted. They were filming scenes like through the window talking on AirPods. But this year it feels just like everything is like settled down a little bit more. Like we can actually enjoy their company. And I feel like they've done a good job of sort of like fleshing out the cast with new people. like obviously Leva was on last season. Vanita was introduced last season. But, you know, now that Taylor is on the show for real, Naomi is back.

It feels like the new people are kind of, they make sense. No more John Pringle. Yeah. Yeah. And it's so funny because I actually had a few friends that like love Vanita from just her influencing and stuff. So now I have two like good girlfriends that are like watching it just to see Vanita and like her influence, like her as an influencer and her reality show.

And I'm like, I didn't even think about that. that, but it's like that aspect is so cool. You're right. And we also have the whole Taylor Shep, like, where are they going? And it's just like kind of nice to see, especially after last season. And, you know, I talked to Craig and Shep a few weeks ago, and they, like, both said, it's kind of going back to the Southern Charm, OG, season one, season two roots, where it's, like, a lot of events, a lot of chaos, a lot of, you know, like friendships, relationships involved. And I love to see that because I definitely felt bad for them last season. They were doing the best they could, but, you know, there was only so much that you could do in such a COVID time, you know.

Naomi's housewarming party, I guess, I guess, like, welcome back party. I don't know. Last week was really the, like, dynamic of the women at that party was really a lot going on. And we saw Olivia kind of stepping up to be like Catherine's, like, in place of Catherine, like, defending her. It was really strange to all of a sudden be like, oh, like, you're not just like Austin's maybe kind of girlfriend. you're like really going to get in the drama. Yeah, and I mean, I am feeling the women this year. I feel like in the past few years it's kind of been boy drama, which I love, obviously,

like give me a Craig and Austin fight any day of the week. But it's nice kind of to see, you know, like, oh, Madison's kind of not on Naomi's side. Or, oh, like, yeah, Olivia's standing up for Catherine, which is always a risk. But I do appreciate when they take it sometimes. but I don't know, that argument was a little strange to me. Like, I don't really understand where it just seems like there's a lot of deep down, buried feelings that seem just to be surfacing all of a sudden. I don't know.

I didn't really understand what they were arguing about even or that whole, like, do you understand the dynamics of those girls at all? I'm like, so lost. Well, I think it's a little strange because the last sort of things that happened between Catherine and Naomi weren't on the show because Naomi had left. and then there was some social media tension between them. And now that Naomi is back, it feels like there's this kind of obligation

to work on their relationship. But I don't actually feel like Naomi wants to be friends with Catherine at all. So I think it's one of those things where it's like, I get that for the show we need you all to be like telling us about your, whether your friends or not. But like, I don't actually think Naomi's like trying to be in Catherine's good, graces. Yeah, that's what I was kind of getting to is it was interesting because when that whole like debauchery happened after last season, it was very obvious that Naomi kind of took

camera inside because those three like OG or like popular like women like Chelsea Cameron and Naomi all left after this season before the whole COVID season. So it was interesting to see like kind of it play off screen, but that was also so long ago. That's the whole crazy thing is when Catherine, you know, brought up those rumors that was before COVID even happened. So they're going back to this argument that spans like three years, I guess, which is just, I don't know, I love the off camera of breaking the fourth wall drama, but sometimes I'm like, and I just, I don't see it. Maybe it's just like one of those things.

We're like, Naomi and Catherine just don't mesh and maybe they never will mesh, you know. I think that's kind of it for me. And also I think Catherine is not really the queen bee of. the show the way she maybe was a few years ago, that it used to sort of feel like everything revolved around Catherine and, you know, her dynamic with T-Rav was like such a central part of the show for the first like five seasons maybe. And now it's kind of like, Catherine is her own thing, but she's not really involved that much in the like Shep, Craig, Austin, Madison, you know, that kind of main group. It feels like Catherine is sort of

off on her own, you know, like just like being mean to Caleb in their apartment. I know. That like makes me so sad because I was so happy when I like, when I saw that they were like moving in together, I was like, yes, like good for her. She like finally like she found someone that like seems like a really great guy, whatever. And then it's literally where two episodes in and they're like arguing and to think that they, I think they like broke up halfway through the season. And I'm like, oh, for once like just like a redeeming storyline for Catherine, you know, I just feel, I just feel bad. She really, Catherine has trouble hanging on to a redeeming storyline.

It's like she'll be doing so well and then she like rages on someone. And it's like, yeah, it's just, she's not the most like stable person when it comes to keeping good things going in her life. Yeah. And it is so interesting because I know like, like Patricia obviously plays such a huge part in their friend group or their dynamics. And I was really loving like two seasons ago when Patricia finally. I was like, you know what, like Catherine, like she's grown, she's changed.

She's not 21 anymore, like, whatever. And now this season, it seems like with after the whole Cameron thing and like Patricia so team, Naomi, it's like, nope, like we're done with that. Like she's just kind of like going back to that, which I suppose it's just like interesting how she kind of has the, has a, like a ring on that friend group. I also noticed in the in the Bravo by Betch's comments the other day, I had posted something about Madison, like a, it was like a screenshot of something she said last episode. And people were, obviously, some people are always just mean to Madison. And Patricia was like defending Madison in the

comment section. I'm like, Pat, like, you don't have to do this. Just go like, drink your mint julep and like get off Instagram. Oh my God. I will say my favorite thing about this show is the off camera like Instagram comments like between like the whole like Madison, Austin and Olivia were feuding last. week I just I'm I'm living for it all of that stuff like I don't know if you remember but like last season Madison made a comment about how she deserves like Bud Light and that you know Austin's like craft beer or whatever and she like literally she was like partnering with Bud Light all the sudden like yeah like add like SpawnCon and I was like pop off I'm I'm a Madison Stan I will say it like I love her I think she brings it and like for her to like still be like trying her best because I don't

really think her fiance is like into the show at all, which like could be a problem down the road. But, you know, for right now, like, for her to still like be going to these things and trying to get involved in the drama. I mean, she basically started the fight between Austin and Craig last episode. She's just like, hmm, yeah. Yeah, I think everybody on this show for the most part does a really good job at like clocking in and like participating both on and off camera and that is it just makes the show kind of more exciting of an experience so good so good everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince Sam Edelman frame and free people join the Nordie club to unlock

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where it's like now it just feels like Beverly Hills, there's more drama happening on social media and off the show than there is happening on camera. And it has made the last couple weeks of following Bravo News feel very hectic because it's like, okay, so Diana said something problematic and now she's posting a statement and then Rina's sort of defending her and then Rina's posting a statement and then now this like Kyle thing is happening. It just is like, wait, what? Can we can we just watch the show?

I literally saw this meme. It was like, like RH or like RHOBH fans last three four hours and it was like of like, like, like, um, like Brettia Rueiner is like in the hallway like holding her like arms like this like after she like threw out all like the mean girls papers everywhere or whatever. And I was like, um, or Regina George. And I was like literally that's that's it. That's the meme. Like, everyone is just been, it's just a free film. It's been going insane. Like, I don't even know where to start with it.

I mean, I think the most shocking thing is, like, for, like, tonight's episode. Like, the fact that they released two clips and both of them, like, because normally when they kind of release clips, they're, like, little tidbits or, like, a little bit of an argument, like, nothing, like, insane. But the clips that they released of, like, Garcell's son and Erica, and then the one of Dorete, P.K., Maricio, and Kyle. like both of those, I would jaw on the floor, like they, like everyone in those has received so, like social media is blowing up like Garcel Sutton and Erica. I think we're all trending on Twitter yesterday. Like it's just, it's another level. I also saw trending on Twitter hashtag R-H-O-B-H-O-B-H mean girls. Which is like what you were talking about. But I think, yeah. And then there was also a clip. It was like from Garcell's party when Diana and Sutton were having their thing. And then. Sutton had brought up her own miscarriage experience, and then Kyle was like physically

like grabbing her and being like, it's not, you know, like, it's not about you or whatever. And I think it's weird for us to see so much stuff that paints Kyle in a bad light. Like I feel like usually she's a little bit, a little bit untouchable. And it's like, oh, yeah. This is, I think we saw it. So Kyle posted this like four story Instagram. slide thing of like addressing the clips and she says like I normally wouldn't do this or like address stuff like this but it's like partially because there haven't been that many situations where

there's footage from the show that really just makes her look bad yeah whereas like renna I feel like addresses 10 different things every single day but like with kail it was true like i've never really seen her get that much hate or criticism you know maybe for mind or stuff with her sisters or something, but like this, like all like both of those scenes, the one with the miscarriage and the one with the, um, with the husbands was just like, oh my gosh, I've never seen so much, so much Twitter hate for her. All the comments on Instagram for the most part were like not good. So like when she did release a statement, it was kind of off brand for her, honestly. Like I feel like a lot of the time she's just like, she'll do like one quick Instagram comment.

Like you guys like know me by now, which she did. Leave that one call. comment being like, you've seen me on TV for 12 years, you know I would never do whatever, which I'm like, well, you never say never. You never know on the show. But those slides, it was really interesting because she kind of, you know, she definitely had a few drinks in her, which she did acknowledge. But yeah, I just, I don't really know. I mean, I think she also did kind of get some criticism because she kind of, I think she

in an interview because she's in London, right? now or abroad. And she was telling someone like, oh, because of the time difference or like, I don't have cell service. Like I can't contact our cell. But then it was like, well, you posted a four story apology. So I did see some criticism on that, which like, I don't know, maybe she did call Garcel in the meantime and talk things out or whatever. But that was interesting to see too. I agree with what you're saying that I think Kyle is someone where there are lots of people who don't love Kyle or think she's annoying or, you know, maybe is like sort of shady. But they're like, for the most part, it's kind of just like, oh, I don't love Kyle.

It's not like, I think Kyle is like toxic and problematic and is like so rude and like all of this stuff. And so this, the clip about with, you know, Doree and P.K. and Maricio, it was like, it just felt a little bit like, oh, this is not the side of you guys that we would normally see. It's like that scene from last season when they were kind of laughing about Erica and like some of the stuff that was going on, it was like that came off totally differently because it was a situation that the audience felt like needed to be talked about. And Erica was doing something wrong and like all of, you know, that kind of dynamic. Whereas this is totally different because it's like, no, like the way Erica spoke to Garcel's son was like extremely. weird and like off-putting and you know obviously garcel was not happy about it and so it just felt like

so kind of hypocritical to be laughing that off because you know if it was the opposite way and you know I mean even Erica has been so like vicious when people have mentioned her son in a totally like non-confrontational way so it was like it's like I get I get that it's like fun to see Erica you know be drunk and let loose and I was laughing my ass off when they were on the boat and in Mexico, but like, it's a little, this is a little different. Yeah, I mean, so, so much like going on there. I mean, like, first of all, like, we did have, you know, Kyle kind of say, like, she didn't know the clip, she didn't see it, but then I saw, like, someone kind of zoomed in on when Jacks was coming back to talk to Garcel, and Kyle was right there with him when he said, like,

I just, like, got violated for, like, trying to grab flowers for you. So, like, that was kind of interesting because like maybe she didn't hear everything but she you know in theory was right next to him so should have heard that so i saw that that was going on and i also did see a lot of comments kind of like theorizing that the whole pk maricio um jaree kyle scene was kind of almost like kind of wanted to make up for the whole erika laughing off scene last year because i mean that really affected there and erika's friendship like erika was actually like very upset about that the reunion which, you know, I wasn't, like, shocked about, but it definitely was interesting because I feel like you have, like, the, what, the Fox Force Five or whatever. They're, like, never going to break up,

but that was interesting to see. And, I mean, like, it literally was deja vu of the dinner scene from last season where it was, like, no, like, we're going to, like, not, like, necessarily defend Erica, but it was also, like, yeah, like, she's just, like, living her best life, drinking, which I agree. Like, it was fun to see it on the yacht. It was, you know, like, it's, it is, good to see like a lighter side of her it is like just a little more like carefree like I don't blame you like if I went through what Erica did over the last like year and a half like I couldn't even imagine what I would be feeling with the Luxapro. I would be having some cocktails.

Yeah, the Luxpro cocktail combo. I'm like she's on to something. But it is yeah. So like I did enjoy that part but it was a bummer especially like also like Derreet was also sitting there and like she heard everything and it was kind of like I totally understood what was happening when she was with Erica because she didn't want to like make it worse by being like like Erica like you can't say that that's inappropriate whatever like I think she was just kind of trying to fuse a situation but it was interesting to see like her like later in her confessional's be like I was

shaking like I was like as a mother I was like unspeakable whatever because it was she wasn't necessarily giving that impression right away and especially when she was also talking to Maricio and P.K. and Kyle. And like, don't get me wrong, like, I love the four of them. Like, P.K. and Maricio's friendship, I think, is literally one of the most wholesome, purest things on this planet because you just wouldn't think that it would be possible, but they're busties, which I love. But it is interesting to see kind of how the last season is still kind of bleeding into this season, because I hate to say it, but I just, I also still think like a lot that those girls are kind of afraid of Erica, which I don't play them for.

Yeah. Well, I think, and the, the Fox Force Five thing, it's, I feel like there's such a disconnect between how most of the audience feels about that kind of click and how the women clearly have, are so invested in kind of maintaining it that it's like, Rina and Kyle and Dorete and Erica are like, we have this on lock. This is like the perfect little group. and like you said, like Kyle and Derreet are still trying to kind of maintain this friendship after there was that rough patch with that scene last year.

And like they clearly don't want to be in a position of pissing off Erica at all, whether they're afraid of her or whether they just like, you know, want to be her friend. And it's like, it's like this is now the second year of watching the show and being like, why do you care so much? Why are you so invested in that? Rina doesn't seem like a particularly good friend. Erica obviously comes along with a lot of baggage. Like,

why wouldn't Doreet want to be like better friends with Garcel? You know, like that kind of thing where it's like that they're still choosing to like lean so hard into this, this team when it's like, I mean, I think Garcel is probably objectively the biggest fan favorite at this point on the show. So it's interesting that they wouldn't kind of try and like cozy up to her a little Yeah, and I mean, I think it was like, honestly, one of the first few episodes when the Garcell just, like, called them out and was like, I feel like you guys like have a group chat without like half of us in it.

You know, like basically saying that. And they were all like, no, like, what are you talking about? Blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, okay, but you do. Like, it's fine, but just admit that you're kind of closing yourself off from these other friendships because, you know, you have the Fox Force Five, like, group chat, which whatever is fine. Like, you can still, like, go and hang out with Teddy and I'll be besties. but like I just exactly what you're saying about Garcel like I just don't get it I feel like everybody loves her most people still like sat in a lot you know I just like if I was big the smart one in there I would be like of course I'm going to be team then you know and like you know like we love the OGs we love the people that have been on there for like a few seasons now but you know you never know I mean that's one thing you've learned we've learned with like Bravo shows is like they're not afraid to like get rid of an OG every now and then which yeah there's so few of them left but like you know you know, for all these like women, like Kyle, Rana, Erica, Dorete, who think that they've had

their, like, spots on lock. Like, there's one thing the Brabafers has showed you, like, that can change any second. And you could be going on a, on a legacy show before you know it. Yeah. And I think last season, Kathy, when she came on, had such a strong first season. And that kind of helped Kyle in a way, I think, because of course, Kyle is sort of Kathy's route onto the show. And now, I mean, it certainly doesn't seem like Kathy is going to be in the picture after this season, really, based on everything, everything we know and we've heard. So it's like, I feel like Kyle should actually be making more of an effort to kind of work

within the group, whereas it seems like this season she's almost like in her own little bubble a little bit. I am like, I am, I'm so nervous about Kathy because I was such a Kathy Hilton stand. And like there was this one episode of Watch What Happens Live where she was on with Paris. And I think I watch it on a weekly basis. It was like the best episode of my life. And I just like, I love her.

She's just like, you know, she's very like carefree, which sometimes I just feel like this Beverly Hills ladies meet. Especially last season when everything was so dark and so serious. It was nice to have a little like comic relief. And like also like just like love seeing the wealth. We'll never get sick of that ever. But I'm nervous to say the least. Like especially that one.

the scene in the trailer when when Erica and Doreet were like no don't let her run. I'm like if Doreet has a problem with Kathy like that I feel like is is a problem. Right. Like normally you would think Doreet would like saw her arm off to be friends with Kathy. She's like no, no, no. Like I love that. I love that lady. Yeah.

Yeah. It is interesting to see like how people like change with their friendships. Like as like women go down or as women are starting like on the up and up, you know. And I feel like that happens so often on these like real housewives series where like it'll be like one. Like even I feel like after season one of Roney when Leah was on, I feel like a lot of people kind of tried like a lot of the housewives really wanted to attach on to her because they saw that she was younger and that a lot of fans really loved how like fun and crazy she was, whatever. And then, you know, obviously that was a whole other season and, you know, don't want to get into that. but it is interesting to see how like these season two kind of favorites like how well it'll be interested in with kathy you know like do people want to gravitate towards her because they know that

the fans love her or is this you know whatever allegedly does or doesn't happen how is that going to play out how are fans going to react i mean all i could say is that bravo like fans have been non-stop the last two weeks with beverly hills alone and like this reunion is literally going to be seven parts. Like, I don't know if I can do it. Oh, my God. I was like thinking through, I was like making a list earlier of like all the things just from the like social media in the last few weeks that have to be reunion topics. And it's like there's going to be so much to get through. And I feel like I'm sure some of it is going to get left by the wayside. But like even just all all the stuff with Diana in the last few weeks, I feel like she was kind of a few weeks ago.

I hadn't really like made up my mind about how I felt about her. I was like, oh, like, it seems like she has potential. We'll see. And then it feels like so quickly she just has kind of like fallen into this black hole of like, okay, so we didn't love the way you talked to some people on the cast. And then there was like the problematic social media moment. And then this last like argument that she got in with Sutton, I think it's just like all of a sudden,

she is leaving like a very bad taste in everyone's mouth and it's like how is that going to be handled at the reunion i can't for the most part i think people really aren't expecting her to get a second season but it's like where do we what do we even talk about yeah and i mean i've also seen a lot of comments about like because you know all these housewashed for the most part they're rich honey right but like she's so rich but it's not in like a charming funny way you know whereas i feel like sometimes like Kathy had that wealth and it was kind of like humorous like like lost the phone need to use my iPad like stuff like that um but I've seen a lot of people were like okay like she's so blatantly just like isn't saying like she knows it an outlet mall haze and like she you know a lot like I respect

her like story a lot you know coming from Bosnia working her way and like being so philanthropic and all that stuff but I don't know it's just this this whole like side to her this season whether it be you know, her confessional is just talking about like how much money she has and like how like how she spends and how she uses and how she doesn't know what this is and how she doesn't go to stores. It's making her, first of all, that makes her unrelated to 99% of the people. And then you're right. Like she just like kind of came in out of nowhere. And I was also kind of surprised when she was right away feuding with Sutton because, you know, at that point in time like Sutton and Crystal, we're still like really good friends. Um, I think they're,

at this point in the season, they are still, like, decently close. So I was really confused when all of a sudden, you know, she's kind of putting Crystal in this, like, weird situation, weird place where you have Diana in Sutton arguing at this point, like, where it left

off on, you know, the episode after Garza's party, like, that argument was just, like, cruel at that point. And they were just going as low as they could to the jugular. I mean, the fact that they're talking about their health issues or Ms. carriages. They're soulless, you know? And then Kyle's just like, drunkenly getting involved.

I'm like, okay, well, you need to take a step back. But I'm like, that's an intense argument to have for literally episode seven or something like that where you just met each other three weeks ago. Right. And I think maybe like Kathy Hilton is unrelated, but she had kind of that like cookey, rich aunt type of vibe. Whereas Diana's just like, oh, this like cold bitchy lady that I think would probably hate me is not as, it's not as fun. And yeah, her thing with Sutton is, it's weird because like she kept going on and on about her being clumsy with her words and the bacon eating vegetarian. And I just think it was like it felt like she had sort of decided early on, like by the time

they were in Mexico, that she was like, I don't, I hate Sutton. I don't fuck with this girl. And like, it's going to be a problem. when it's like, I mean, Sutton maybe isn't the easiest person to get along with all the time, but I also don't think she's like done anything so horrible to Diana that it's like, you're just like not feeling, like you're not, you're clearly not a fan of her, but also like you don't need to just like lay into her every time you're together. Exactly.

And I so agree with that with Diane. I feel like, you know, she probably did her research before. Saw the Fox Force Five was like, I want to get into there. That's my goal. And it was like to get in there. It's kind of right of passage to be mean to Garcel, Crystal, or sudden, maybe all three. Like, you know, it was her, it was her, um, oh, like, I can't even. But, and then, like, the whole what also confused me was when she was having that argument

with Garcel over the book that she did. And she kind of came out on social media and talked about a little bit. But just watching the show solely about the book, I was like, I don't, I don't get it. like you're being really sussed and shady for seemingly no reason. And then when she gave, first of all, she showed up. Like, the whole text thing was just bizarre. Like, she sent this text, you know, saying she couldn't come. And then she showed up.

And it's like, it's fine if you don't want to show up and you don't feel well. Like, yeah, maybe that'll hurt you as a housewife in the long run. But she showed up. And then, first of all, her husband also was burying, like, that, like, coat or whatever. Like, I need to learn more about him. Like, give me more of him. Like he just seems like hilarious and like an icon. Um, but anyway, so then she like, she shows up and I'm like, okay, great, whatever.

And she like gives her this book as a gift. And she's like, it's very rare, very hard to get. And I'm just like really confused where that whole storyline is going. Like I just, it just seems like it came out of nowhere. Right. It's like either we're, either we need to really get into what this book is and what the controversy was surrounding it or I don't want to hear about it. it.

You know, like, I don't want to, now the book has been bought up three different times, but it still doesn't feel like we're actually, like, getting into the story around it. And it's like, it's not as iconic as you want it to be because you're not actually willing to, you know, sort of go there. And I think as a, as a first season housewife, obviously it's, it takes time to sort of, like, let the audience get to know you and stuff. But it feels like she's not even really telling us about the parts that would be the most interesting. Like her saying that she can't go to a store and that she like is allergic to dust and all

of that. It's like, okay, that's like a funny one-off comment, but that can't be your whole personality as a housewife. Like I think she has the potential to like have a really interesting story. I mean, she has this like younger husband. She has this like very attractive son. She has like a newborn. Like she gave birth like last year. She's, you know, grew up in like Bosnia, like changed her life, was married to a very wealthy, like, man, they got a divorce. Like, I think there's so much potential there. But I don't know if it's just that she did, like, she's scared to go there, or she doesn't want to, or she just kind of wants to sort the drama. But sometimes I just, I feel like you really need to get to know the person before they start to dig into all the

drama and the fighting because then you're just like, well, like, how am I supposed to side with you? Unless it's like blatantly obvious, you're right, you're wrong. But with this, I just, it's hard to take Diana's side. And I was excited. to like see her as a housewife when you know I found out about her um but I don't know at this point I'm just kind of confused by her and I think we're just going to like have to like keep watching I guess see what else pops up on social media like that's the other thing is just these women on social media is just non-stop something literally every day every day all new drinks are now at McDonald's with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refreshers like the strawberry watermelon

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And, like, I mean, I think Elizabeth was a flop for more reasons than just that. But like, but like with both her and Diana, it's kind of like, we can't just get like a little hint here and there that there's like crazy stuff happening beneath the surface. It's like you have to at least bring that onto the show in some kind of meaningful way or else the season's going to end. And we're going to be like, I don't know. Yeah. I don't really need to see more. Yeah, exactly. that's why it's just like I think right now with Beverly Hills the tough thing about this season is that like it started

off so like another level insanely crazy right because of the the break in and still coming off of the whole Erica drama and now it's just tough because it's not necessarily like leveling out a little bit but it's just kind of like going back to the you know maybe like older seasons of Beverly Hills where it's just like arguing over like miscommunications or like you know stuff like that And it is interesting to see, like, because, you know, we have had this cast now for a while. I mean, most of these, I mean, besides, like, Crystal and Sutton, and I mean, even then, I feel like they've been on the show forever. Like, we really have had the same cast for years, and it's a huge cast. So it'll be interesting to see going forward.

I know that a lot of fans, like, want to see more of, like, Crystal Sutton Garcell's friends. That's why I'm glad that, like, Cherie will be on. like I'm ready to see her more of her. I mean like just like her first like her first scene was just so iconic. Like I'm excited to see, you know, all that drums play out. But, you know, I just, I don't know if they're going to continue with this like what, like nine, 10 person cast with like four friends of which like I mean, I love. There's always something going on each week.

But it's kind of hard to maintain especially like sometimes. I mean, I remember last season it got so, it was like the five versus the three of them just got so. like tiring after a while, you know, like at that one, like, brunch for Rina's lip launch. And it was just like, oh, my gosh. Like, it's just so very clearly obvious that these, like, especially Garcel and Sutton, like, need more friends in this group because it's just them going after the five of them. And I think, like, Garcel and Sutton are both such, like, strong women and can really hold their own. And I think that's why they've been, like, so successful in defending themselves against those five.

But, like, it would just be nice to see, like, some more. of like their kind of girlfriends too, rather than just like continuing to add on to the Erica supporters. Well, and it makes, it does make you wonder with such a big cast. It's like there's no, there's no room to add anyone without getting rid of, honestly, probably like two or three people. You can't just, you can't have a cast of 11 or 12. And honestly, you probably shouldn't have a cast of 10 if you can, you know, like it's, it's just a lot of cooks in the kitchen. And so I think it does make it interesting to think moving past this season. Okay, so maybe we assume Diana won't

stay. We assume Kathy Hilton's not going to come back again. But like, is there kind of more of a shakeup on the horizon? And like, I could see it going either way. But if it, if it does happen, I would certainly be excited about it. Yeah. Even if I'm, like, I don't necessarily think they're like, I don't think it's like crucial that they fire half the cast or anything. It's like not that bad, but I would be interested to see that version of Beverly Hills with like more of a new blood. Yeah, for sure. And I mean, it is interesting too because, um, Kyle, like, I think like almost like two months ago, like maybe right after the show premiered or like right before was kind of like, honestly, like, I say it every year. Like, I don't know if I'll come back. It's just like a lot of

drama. And I feel like, okay, we're only seven episodes in. We haven't even gotten to the like Kathy Hilton drama yet. And she's already facing so much backlash. The episode, you know, is, it's still on the horizon. And it is interesting to see, you know, like, how she'll handle it. If she is, you know, like, I've done my 12 seasons. Like, I'm good, you know, which would, which would, like, it would, like, be a bummer because I feel like she is such a constant in that, like, Friding Group at this point,

where she kind of does, I think they even said it last year, like, she definitely, like, does unite them or whatever. whether it gets to her head sometimes maybe, but I don't know. It's just, it's interesting. Well, and I think if Kyle were to leave, then assuming everything else kind of stays the same, it's like, okay, then we're left with Lisa Rina as like the OG type of figure. And like, I don't think very many people would be excited about that at this point. Like I don't mind Rina in the context of the group, but I don't want the show to be kind of like her.

empire. You know, like, I don't want to see, like, the, like, center diamond where everybody's kind of revolving around her. I think she's kind of past that point where it's like, she's always going to be too polarizing to be, like, the central figure. So it is, it's tough to know. But, like, but then with a show like New Jersey, we've seen them have such a strong last few seasons. And now we know they're filming and they've, you know, added a few new people into the mix. And I think it's one of those things where even if a show isn't like so bad that you need a whole like reboot, it can still be important to kind of throw some new ingredients into the mix. Yeah, for sure. Because I mean, that's the last thing. Because that's where I think like Roney kind of struggled is, you know,

they, they had this solid formula down with Ramona, Sonia, Luanne, love them. But then it was kind of tough because then when they wanted to add in new people, well, it's like Leah and Ramona has like a 25 year age gap. So like that alone is tough. for them to become best friends. And then it's just like by not slowly adding people in as you go, you know, you just, you kind of have this where it's like,

wait, like, we're not friends. Like three of us are friends. Three of us are not friends. And like, it's just, course. And that's why I think,

you know, Beverly Hills is doing so well right now is because whether or not they were friends before filming, they, a lot of them have been friends for so long now. Whereas I think, like, I think that's what makes a Real Housewives show,

like, really great and real and genuine is when they are friends. And it's not just like, Like that's where I think kind of Salt Lake City even struggled a little bit last season. It was like, are they like really good friends now? Is it like a little bit just awkward? Are they just fighting for no reason? So like when they're actually like good friends and like these are actually like real issues,

like that's when I think I'm like, okay, this is gold. Yeah. Salt Lake City is such a like interesting scenario because there have been so many like friendships, wops in just a few seasons. Like seeing now that Meredith and Jen are like besties, I guess. guess. And it's like so wild because Meredith was like so down on Jen last season and didn't want anything to do with her and was like, I can't be getting a free, you know, I can't be like having something that's paid for with stolen funds. And then who knows what happened during

filming this year. But all of a sudden it's like the script is completely flipped. And it's obviously that keeps us on our toes as viewers. And it's always like exciting when there's like a new friendship or somebody has a falling out. Like that makes good TV. But also. So it's like, wait, like, are any of you got, like, some of these relationships need to go deeper than just like, who's my alliance for the season. Like, we know that Whitney and Heather obviously have that, like, longer relationship, but it's like, it kind of feels like everybody else is just like looking for something to latch on to for whatever season it is. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm so bummed because they filmed the season three, like, kind of anticipating Jen's original trial date in March. and so they really kind of just went like back and forth.

You know, there was, they didn't really have a break at all because they like wanted get it in and it obviously got delayed until next week, which, oh my gosh, whole, whole another drama. I can't even think about it. She's arrived in New York. Oh my gosh. I'm like, this, like that whole situation is just going to be wild. But you're so right.

It's just like they kind of like sometimes you almost need the off season to kind of create more behind the scenes drama because. you're watching it you know you you see the reunion you see like the you know the the the interviews and the press that they've done behind your back and it's like wait what and so I'm like I love Salt Lake City like I've always liked it I think yeah their storylines are what make the show like how unique and individualize all those housewives are like I love it and obviously we have Jen Chow's trial coming up which I am an eager beaver on that one and we'll be gladly awaiting outside the courthouse to see it get a sighting. Yeah, it's, I feel like we are in a good spot because

Salt Lake is done filming their third season. Potomac and Miami both wrapped shooting over the weekend. Thank God. I miss Potomac so much. There's a lot of housewives in the can right now. So even if the world ends tomorrow, we still have like three full seasons. Literally. Like done and dust. And it's so funny because I'm like, wow, like, Bravo's like, there's like not really much on Bravo because we just have like Dubai, Beverly Hills and like Southern Charm and I'm like and like, I'd below deck too, but I'm like, what do I do all day? Like, it's just Monday, it's just like Wednesdays and Sundays and Atlanta, but normally like Atlanta took a week off last week and then like Dubai was off last week and I'm like, damn like, I'm bored. I'm sorry. Southern Charm again. Yeah, no, literally

twist my arm. I know. It's like, it's like, well, Beverly Hills, ladies, and that whole like Beverly Hills, Dubai feud, that was so strange and out of literally nowhere to me. Like, what are you, we're not like, what are you doing? Like, she got so much hate for that. And then, and then she, like, posted about the grief thing. And I'm like, I don't. I just, she's having a tough season to say the least. Well, I always appreciate, uh, you breaking it all down on page six and everywhere else.

Before we go, let everyone know where they can follow you and read your writing and all that stuff. Oh, yes. Well, I'm on page six, obviously. and you can find me on Instagram, Caroline Blair with two E's. So Caroline E. Blair. And on Twitter, I am Caroline with two E's underscore Blair. And honestly, as long as you go to page six, they'll probably be a story up on the housewives on the homepage.

So not too hard to find. Exactly. Well, thank you so much for stopping by it. It was so fun to chat with you about all this stuff. I know. Thank you so much. I had so much fun. I love dissecting Bravo with anyone.

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