Mention It All - The RHONY Origin Story Ft. Ally Shapiro

Episode Date: June 26, 2020

Bari and Dylan are joined by Ally Shapiro, daughter of RHONY OG Jill Zarin. She opens up about quarantining with her mom, and their projects dedicated to helping frontline workers fighting COVID-19. Then, she spills some tea about the current season of RHONY, and whether Jill could come back full-time in the future. She also talks about the beginning of RHONY, and how the iconic show came together. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Dylan Hafer. Who are going to check me, boo? And Barry Rosenfeld. I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to sleep, we. Hey, guys. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer.

And I'm Barry Rosenfeld. And today... We are joined by a very special guest right now. Joining us from Florida is Ali Shapiro. Welcome, Allie. Hi, guys. Thanks for having me. And Ali Shapiro is a former real housewife of New York, Jill Zarin's daughter, her lovely daughter.

Yes, current entrepreneur. That is true. Philanthropist. Yeah, you have been putting in the hard work down in Florida with your mom this whole time in quarantine. Tell us about what you guys have been doing and you guys have a pretty crazy set. up going on, I know. Yeah, we've been really busy. I always wonder, like, how it comes across in social media. Like, if it looks like we're overdoing it or if not really, you know, you will never know the answer to that. I know. Because everyone has a different opinion, but

it's going great. I know. I think when I told you, or you heard about the mask initially, Barry, I phacetimeed you immediately. And you were like, that was a horrible experience. I was like, No. We were like texting. Like we were like friends. And then you're like, you know what? It's so much easier for FaceTime. Which I agree. I love FaceTiming. But I screenshotted what I looked like that day and sent it to like my friends. Because I was like, you guys are kidding? And I was actually with my family and my sister-in-law. I remember was like, are you seriously talking to someone looking like that right now? It was the middle of quarantine. You know, we're only wearing tie-dye and sweats now. It's all good. So you guys have nauseous for nurses. Tell us about what that is and how you came up with the idea. Yeah, so it's been a whirlwind past few months for many reasons. You know, I think before this, pre-March, we were all living our normal lives.

I had a normal job in the Lower East Side, walking to work every day. Mind of my own business. My mom was in Boca with her boyfriend playing tennis every day, kind of half retired, still doing her rugs. and Gary had his own business in the men's manufacturing business. And, you know, COVID hit. And my mom said, you're either coming down tonight or you're not coming at all. It was like March 10th or something. And I literally didn't pack anything.

I packed my pocketbook through my contacts in it and came down. And I have not been back since. That's so funny. Yeah, I think that was, it's not funny. You don't pack anything. You go down to Florida. Yes. My company goes bankrupt.

I worked for Padelate. It was an online auction house, and I was working with our nonprofit benefit clients. And so I came down Thursday. It was late off Friday. I kind of had an idea. It was coming, but it was official Friday. And then Saturday, my mom saw that Bill and Hillary Clinton donated, like, a few dozen pizza pies to a local hospital in Connecticut.

And mom was like, why don't we do that? like, call up the pizza place. It's like 18 bucks a pie and just send it to Boca Regional Hospital. They called at Boko Hospital. Who's the charge nurse on staff? Can we send you some pizza? They're like, sure. And without me even asking, they text me a picture of them holding the pizzas.

And it was like they were so grateful. It was like 20 pies. They were just, it was unbelievable. Like five minutes of our time and $100 made their day. And Boca had like 10 patients at the time. It was nothing. It was March 12th. Right.

So yeah, that's where Nosh just started. We came up with the name a few days later. We called, we're at a country club. We called them because they, obviously, the country club is pretty much closed. So we asked them, can you guys cater the hospital? You know, we my mom raised some money locally. They Venmoed us, her local tennis team. We raised that, I think, $300.

We had the club catered it. They matched donations. Did it again to Boca. and then we're like, this could be something, you know? And I kind of thought, no, everyone's doing food. It's not a big deal. Like, what else are we going to add to this? Like, we can't really do anything.

It's just us, you know? And my mom was like, no, no, no. Like, we can do something. You know, people listen to us. They, it's not just food, you know? And there's so many hospitals, so many nurses. Like, we can make a difference. I'm like, all right, fine.

So Gary came up with a few names. I think it was like, fuel the front lines. Noshes for nurses Um other like kitchy names and I think Nosh is stuck because it was more of like Jewish and yeah I'm so I love that it was more unique and specific

and even though we've obviously expanded beyond nurses it just it feels right not just nurses and yeah we started the GoFundee and then pretty quickly it just blew up to 60,000 donations and I haven't really posted in a while or really addressed it because we haven't gotten any more funds in the past three weeks.

But I don't want to close the GoFundMe because I know that it's not really going anywhere. Right. But I, so it's staying there. The GoFundMe still exists. You can still donate and support. And I'll still feed. You know, we still get requests all the time and I do what I can in smaller batches. But it's not as big as it was before.

I was doing three to four hospitals a day across the country. I did I think 4,000 meals in one day. Oh my God. That's incredible. Two entire hospitals, one in Illinois and one in Utah. Yeah, that's what I love about what you guys are doing, where it's not just like Florida or New York or the East Coast. You've kind of like expanded to all over the country

because that's the good thing about like social media and the internet in general. But I'm sure as the numbers begin to spike again, your quote unquote business will pick up again because these people are not wearing the masks that they're supposed to be, which you also have dabbled in. So what's going on with the masks? Well, to just, to backtrack to what you just said, it's just as easy for me to call a hospital and a restaurant in Idaho

as it is to call one in Long Island. Like, it makes no difference to me. So if someone reaches out from a town, a city I've never heard of, that their hospital is struggling, it's the same to me as it is to Sloan Kettering, who I probably fed them. most because that's where Bobby was and he died there and so there are family and we spent six months at Sloan Kettering that that means the most to us I mean they all are incredible and do the

most amazing work every single hospital every nurse deserves everything but us living in slon Kettering you know it's more significant in our hearts so that's why we kind of you know if there are our test subject in a lot of ways they were first with the mouse first with notches. Um, but in general, now with the mask, it's just easy for me to donate to someone and ship mask to someone in, um, New Orleans as it is to, you know, what's a random city? Literally. Some, some state. Uh, I have about, I know, I have about 15 donations that we're packing up right now to Cleveland Clinic because I think the Cleveland Clinic must have, like, circles it around their newsletter and the children's hospital, the children's ward, whatever at the Cleveland

clinic, they, I think every single nurse has reached out so far, which is amazing, so I'll donate to all of them. But yeah, it's crazy. So now we've transitioned to masks from food. That's awesome. And not only are you just doing an amazing thing, but the feedback is also so great. I've told you that before. People have reached out to me. They've reached out to our founders. So I've reached out to me and you that they love the masks. And the masks are super comfortable. They're cute. They go with everything. and they also protect you. Yes. In some way, in some way.

They don't do, you know, but they're everything, but they cover your face in a fashionable way. They get the job done. I feel like you, the pictures that you have been posting of you and your mom in the masks, it's like this is like, this is what content looks like now. We're taking pictures outside with the flowers and the masks are matching.

And, you know, we never saw this coming in 2020, but, you know, you got to do, what you got to do. There is so much we haven't seen coming in 2020. Yeah. If you are a Jill Zeran fan, these masks are literally hand-died, blood, sweat, and tears into these masks.

Like, I don't think that people really understand. She wakes up at 6 a.m., ties them, or hands are black. She goes to play tennis, comes back, washes them, dries it, we pack it, she does it again. Well, now I feel like it's become, almost a, it's a hot, like it's almost like an addiction.

Like, you wake up and it's on your mind and you're like, no, I have to tie the, I have to tie the masks. Like, and it's like, she's in that routine now, as are you where like you can't like stop. That's like what you're doing now. Also, like, what else are you going to do? I know. And we're super, super, super angry about it. Like, nothing will leave this house if it's not checked by me and her.

There are no strings, no holes. Like, I think one time I'm out a hole in it that you sent me and I like had a panic attack. Like, it never happened again. I told it there's so many things down the pipeline with when you like run a business or where it could happen with the carrier with the person opening the package with you you don't know where the whole ever comes from so it's no one's to blame but um you guys are doing a great thing and I'm excited for you but we're so naive and we say yes to everyone like we started this donation form I think 60 people filled it out yesterday and we just say like what hospital

you're at what shipping address and someone who's working here said how do you know if they're legit and like doesn't matter like if someone's asking you for a donation for a mask like I'm not going to background check them you know I trust you if you say you're working you know 12 hours a day the past six months like we well you know of course we're going to donate masks to you right and if they're lying about that there's bigger problems yes so if you're out there and you need mass donate you are a hospital worker a frontline worker please go to jillzerin.com and send us your information. We will donate masks to you.

Yeah. I mean, the more people wearing masks, the better. So if you make one or two donations to someone who's lying, at least they won't give someone coronavirus. Right. With anyone. It's shocking me. I mean, I'm sure you've seen on the news in Florida.

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And they shipped some stuff down to Florida. But you were supposed to come up right after July 4th for my cousin's bridal shower. And I don't think we're allowed to now. saw Leah was posting something about another house. I just came up and just missed the cutoff by like, what, three days? And I truly don't care about, you know, backlash. I mean, I just want to do what's right for... Well, no, you get fined now. You also get a nice chunk of penalty if you got caught.

And there's like a first, there's a first offense and like a second offense. It's like crazy. We're living in a handmade tale. Well, whatever works. Like just stay in your house. I can't take it. But yeah, Leah will, our dear friend, Leo, will definitely call you out if you're a specific housewife, too.

She's great. So speaking of Leah and Real Housewives, what Bravo shows do you keep up with these days? Do you have favorites? What do you love to watch still? So ironically, I just started watching Vanderpump Rules because of all the drama. I never watched it before. What a bad time to start watch. And I was like, what is the big deal?

what's happening? And it's like really kind of weird show. Like it was the episode when Jacks was, um, they, two people cheated on their significant others with each other, like Stossie's, or Jack's ex cheated with, or Jack's ex cheated with Stossie's act, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Or Jacks was Stasi, but like, so they're best friends and they all sleep with each other and they're all horrible to each other. It's like a love. It's like a love octagon. Yeah, it sounds more than a triangle. Can I curse? It sounds pretty fucked up.

Yeah. I mean, those old seasons were really pretty spectacularly messy. They didn't age well. It did not age well for 2020. And so I've seen a lot of people saying cancel, this person would cancel the show in general. It's like, I don't know, there's so many shows, so many ideas, so many people that deserve this platform and attention. Like, why give it to people that, I don't know, or not great people?

Well, I feel like the issue with these shows specifically. that one is that because they start when they're so young, they don't know how to grow with it and with society and with everything. So they're learning as they go and some people just don't know how to learn. And it really is a bad reflection. And it gives us one less show to watch, which is really upsetting. So me and Dylan discussed like a while ago that we hope they come up with something that they can use their platform with and like a new and improved show. But they have to because no offense, I can't wash cash cab from midnight to 5 a.m. I can't do it.

Why are you watching anything from midnight to 5 a.m.? Oh my gosh. Aren't you up in the middle of the night, turn on Bravo to expect something like Top Chef for like a housewife and then cash cab is on for hours, just straight up? It's because they don't put it on like normal hours, yeah. Yeah. As great as cash cab is, I will say I don't need to watch six hours straight of Dylan was on cash cab during quarantine.

No. They did an Instagram live cash cab and the technical difficulties were immense. Eventually I made it on the virtual cash cab and I won a little gift card. It was very fun. Did you have to go into your car to do it or you could be in home? No. Nobody was in a car. Oh my God.

That's so funny. Do you watch Housewives of New York? So I had never watched a full episode before quarantine. Like I'd watch clips and commercials and like a few minutes here and there. I mean, when we were on the show, we got a DVD, like a literal DVD, like two weeks in advance. What's that like? So I never watched it with commercials. It was maybe a different cut.

So I really never watched the full thing. But now in quarantine, like I had a lot of friends. that had, you know, viewing parties on Thursdays, and I just, like, put my mom on the Zoom and we made it like a party, and everyone loved it. Um, so it's been fun watching this season. Um, I think they had reruns of my mom's old seasons, like Morocco and stuff, and so I watched that for the first time,

and that was wild to watch. Did you not watch? See, those aged well. Like watching Morocco, that's just as relevant today as it was them. Like, I was hysterically dying, and I never seen it before, and I was like, this is amazing. amazing. That's what it should be like. Watching watching your mom yell at Ramona Singer will never go old.

My favorite line ever, like ever that your mom has ever said is when she showed up to surprise them and she literally said surprise. Like that's my favorite thing ever. Like it's my favorite thing. Well, so you just started watching, but is there anything that you or your mom ever get asked about or talked about or something iconic that still lives with you or her. Well, first of all, we just started a TikTok. So if you can send me that sound or anyone else that's made that. OK. That's sound.

Whatever it is. Because the only one we found was the Ramona one walking down the catwalk. So good. Yeah. What do people ask us? People always say we want Jill to come back. Everyone wants her to come back. The truth is, we did film a bunch this past season.

Um, and it's either, you know, they want drama, they want her to be sassy, or like, they need her to be drama to get on the show. But then she comes off mean and aggressive and who wants that? Like, um, I was saying to you, Barry, um, the girl on Beverly Hills this season. Sutton. Sudden. I don't think she- I literally just blanked out at just Beverly Hills this season. I was like, who? I don't know. Right? So it's either you're like super over the top to get, Get on the camera, get on screen time. Great, she got the screen time. But I found her a little bit mean sometimes. Right.

But she got the screen time. Or you're too quiet and you're too nice. And I know Barbara was on, was it Barbara that was on last year on Housewise? You don't come back. So it's like you have to be in this middle ground to get airtime but not be too mean. But you also have to have a storyline. So it's my mom is just. she wants to be herself.

And if that's like fighting for airtime to try to be a housewife again, it's not gonna be what everyone's thinking it's gonna be. I think you're better off watching her on TikTok, Instagram and doing cameos and FaceTiming me and getting the real Jill Zer and then fighting for airtime against Ramona and whoever else is on the cast

because it's not the same. You know, this chemistry is not the same. It's not as it was before. Like those old seasons, there's no makeup, no hair, No glam. Yeah. We were going to school every day. She was a real housewife.

And now there was no Instagram back then. There was no social media. Now it's like you don't really have to be a housewife on TV to still be able to access Jill's errand, you know? Right. Plan B is a backup birth control option that's there for you when things don't go according to plan. It specifically works after unprotected sex and before pregnancy occurs by temporary

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so like calculated that it's like, okay, you're going to talk to this person and introduce them and then hopefully they do a great job. So I think obviously people would love to see Jill back on the show in a larger capacity, but it's so fun just to see when, you know, she's going to be on the Halloween episode next week, maybe. I don't know when it is, but it's just so fun to have kind of those people that everyone knows and loves just in the mix still. Well, what's funny is my mom and Luan are best friends. My mom is best friends of LeWan. And we went to her house in the Hampton in September. It was the night after that whole pool, the crazy naked. pool scene. Oh my gosh.

And my mom came for lunch. We met Lee and I was there and they cut it. So it's like they are real friends, their best friends. They have lunch, they have dinner, they'll get a manicure whatever, but they're not going to air it because nothing juicy happens. Like, right. So yeah, you know, they would love to have more dinners and all that, but they're just going to cut it unless it's like a fabulous party. And the funny thing is the night before that, the night of the pool scene, my mom, we were at our friend's house for a party. And Ramona and all the girls were supposed to come and film.

And it was like, I think, 11 o'clock, the cameras never came. They told us they canceled it, but the cameras never came. Ramona shows up alone in the same outfit that she wore in that scene. So if you remember that episode, she left the girls that were crazy naked.

She left them because she went to our party. That's the party she was going to. She was out to like 2 a.m. with us. We had no idea that she really wasn't long. She really left a crazy house. I mean, they were wild. That's so funny that she left to come to your party. That's hilarious.

So I assume it was supposed to be a night, a pregame, drinks, and then coming to our party and then turned into a wild, crazy night. They forgot about our party, and Rona still came and left. Just didn't film it. That is so funny. On that episode, on that episode, the girls were kind of like, we don't know if we want to go out. We'll just drink at the house.

And that's so funny to have that context because honestly, it makes it- it- It was real. It was legit. It was a Jill's-Dair party. It makes Ramona seem better in that situation because it wasn't some random. She made it, they made it seem like it was a random party that was. And that she was going to meet guys, whatever. Like, that's what they really did.

But it's also funny that you talked about production going back to what you said, because Dylan and I also talked about that a few weeks ago to the earlier seasons of any show. But specifically New York, like the outfits and the glam and that. all that makes it almost so much better to watch because it's almost like, all these women are in their natural habitat. And now it's like, well, you can't come into my apartment if I don't have a glam on.

And it like changes everything and it makes you almost prepared for the cameras as opposed to like just filming like your day to day. But whatever we're in a different time now. The Beverly Hill storyline is like Denise. Glam. Denise Glam or not glam. And then the other one, Doree, who had too much.

glam to work out. It's like, but you're filming a reality show. Obviously, you have glam on. Like, you want to shoot content around, like, we get it. Right. So the whole thing's ridiculous. But yeah, I mean, should I say how they found us for the housewives?

Because it kind of is relevant to that. Yeah. So I was like, I think 13 or 14, you know, lived in the Upper East Side, went to high school, whatever. And my mom was like a socialite, you know? She wasn't a celebrity. She wasn't an actress. She was just a New York socialite.

Socialite went to the Hampton, we had a boat, whatever. And we get a phone call from this British guy, leaves a voicemail in the machine, and says they're casting for a potential new show, and they want to talk to us, because he saw us on Yorksocialdiary.com, which is kind of like guest of a guest. Oh, my God, I am waiting for a British guy

to leave me a voicemail. But at the time, it was like Project Run, Rund, my top chef, house size of Orange County. And maybe millionaire matchmaker, but I don't think so. This is 2007. So a very long time ago. Yeah, Bravo was a different world.

It was not the same, yeah. No, before Andy, when Andy Cohen was a producer, before he was, the Andy Cohen was in the end. And, I mean, long story short, we filmed the sizzle reel in the apartment with Brad, and they loved us. And my mom, my mom and Bobby met Bethany at a party, and Bobby told Bethany that we were doing

something potential. with a reality show, because she was already on the Martha Stewart Apprentice. Right, right, right. People forget about that. So she wanted to be a celebrity. She wanted to be a celebrity chef. That was her goal. And so Bobby asked Bethany, would she want to do something, whatever? Because she was so much younger, she wasn't a mom's, and it was called Manhattan moms. They were going to call Manhattan moms. Yes. And Bobby was just pushing it. And she was like, it would not be the franchise we know today.

Right. But it was always called Manhattan moms. The contract was Manhattan moms. And I think Ramona was in her friend group, but she didn't help cast Ramona. I don't remember about the rest of them. But ironically, Elise reminded my mom recently that Elise introduced my mom to Bethany. Elise Lane? Elise Lane. Oh, my gosh.

I had no idea that Elise and your mom went back that far. The same group of friends, Ramona. Same circle. Same circle, honey. Manhattan moms. From 20 years ago. because all the kids around the same age, like the same schools,

Mary Mouth Spence, whatever, Nightingale. And it was because Elise said to a reporter or in an article, whatever, that she introduced him on to Bethany. My mom was like, what the fuck? That's not true. Called Delis, Elise, Elise, explain the story.

She's like, oh, my God, I had no idea. I didn't remember. But it's true. She did introduce him and whatever. So it all goes back to Elise Lane. Wow. But yeah, we filmed, I think, for a few months. I came home every day after school.

The camera guys were there. My mom wore her normal outfits, no stylist, no hair, no makeup. You know, she went through her hairdresser once a week. I certainly had nothing. And actually, if you watch the first episode again, a lot of the really blurry clips were taken from the sizzle reel. Because my mom explains, like, how much of a socialite she is, quote, unquote, and explains all the mail she gets.

And that was literally, I think, like a hand-hounder. held camera for my mom or Bobby that we sent to them that they used for the first episode of the housewives. Wow, that's, I like that. Yeah, that's very real. Yeah. It's crazy when you go back that far and watch that footage. And I mean, it's not, I mean, it was more real than anything we see today, but it's funny

because it feels like, it's like an artifact, like a historical thing that it's like, Jill Zarin in 2008 talking about, you know, going to the parties. and it's like, oh, it just, it's the best. Like, I graduated high school in 2008. I think she had to explain what a step and repeat was, like all these things that were, we all know now, it's obvious. Like, can you imagine Beverly Hills explaining what a charity event is? My mom had to explain, like, gala's, you know, Chipriani.

Which now, I mean, I guess if you don't live in New York, maybe you still might not be as, you know, in tune with these things that I think is more common. But it was really like, you know, how to be a housewife in New York 101. Yeah. And I mean, there was that scene in one of those early seasons where there was an argument about whose name was going to be on the step and repeat.

And if they had given the appropriate donation to be on the step and repeat. And it's those things that seem they're so specific. And obviously it's not a problem that everyone in the world has. But that's what makes housewives so fun is watching those things that maybe it's not relatable to everyone, but it's like, okay. this is entertaining. This is what I want to watch. And one of the finalities where it was a charity event for me

was when Bethany first introduced Skinny Girl Asca Logo and had the banner up. And that was a whole talking point and controversial over her banner and what she looked like in the martini glass. And I remember, yeah, there's a lot with that we could go into. But yeah, I mean, it's part of storyline, but it's also part what ended up being her brand.

So it really, you know, she transitioned it really well. Right. Speaking of step and repeats, this is just something really funny I want to bring up. A new article just came out of you, the five fast facts that we were chatting about. And on the header of the article is an old picture of you in front of a betches step and repeat, which is just so ironic and so funny, along with the five facts that they chose. So were you aware of this article? And did you give them no?

So I'm clearly the number one betches fan. I texted Sammy about a few weeks ago because my friends were asking for like the old sub-betch's content. I guess they wanted, they were talking about sub-betches, like the old back when we were in college, some of those articles, and she said they archived most of them. But, you know, you guys are my number one. Thank you again for trusting me with the mask, my first.

But yeah, I think that was, it was a launch of your book. The one happy hour. It was the launch of the happy hour book party at Vandal, of course. We'll go to Vandal in 2021 the next time. 2021. Masks on. At this point, 2022. Like, I don't even know.

I know. But yeah, so they did not reach out to me for this article. Typically, people don't. I mean, it's an article. They write about someone. I don't get, it was an interview. They just wrote an article about me. super random

fast facts that aren't fun facts it was like Allie's arthritis and we got our mask it was like someone Googled LinkedIn but I will say the writers saw my post and it was I wasn't trying to throw a shade

I mean it was genuinely a little strange and I wasn't trying to throw a shade I mean she said I was unmarried it's a little weird so she emailed me that's like Carrie Bradshaw 40 and still single.

Unmarried. Unmarried. Allie is unmarried. Because I guess they didn't know if I wasn't dating someone, so they just thought saying unmarried was a safe bet. Such a strange way to say that someone's not married. Right. Not engaged.

Anyway, she reached out to me, super sweet. She said, I tried contacting you. But, like, I read all my DMs. I don't know. I think she got me email wrong. I tried contacting you. You know, I would love to rewrite the article and interview you. properly. And I was like, I would love to. I mean, I would love to promote nauseous to talk to

anyone. I'm super transparent and available and accessible. No problem with anyone reaching out to me. It was just really funny the way it was phrased. And I was surprised she even tried to read. I didn't know it was supposed to be an interview because a few people in the past have done fast facts about like a housewife's daughter or whatever. But you would expect it for Gigi Hedee. It's like fun facts about her. But, Ellie, you're on the same level as Gigi. Like, come on. Both housewives mom says that a lot. She's like, you know, Gigi and Bella were just Yolanda's kids? Like, they wouldn't be where they were. And I'm like, they have a little taller than me. And like, Kendall and Colley, same thing. They were just on a reality show, no problem. So I'm the next

Bella and Gigi is what she said. Cut from the same cloth, definitely. Yeah, for sure. Okay, I just want to ask, so everyone always talks about Jill coming back to Housewives potentially, would you ever do reality TV on your own? So ironically, I was asked to be on a reality show a few months ago before COVID. I would say that as a very little chance of happening, the actual show, I turned it down because at the time I had a 9 to 5 job.

I'm super serious about my career. And now I feel like having the 9 to 5 job isn't as important. I think having a career is, you know, having your own source of income, having goals is important. But I'm more flexible in how that's achieved. I feel like the straight path we knew is kind of not the same anymore. You know, I went to college and I'm a master's. I got a job.

I did all the things that I wanted to do. And now it's like, okay, well, the company went bankrupt. Don't have my apartment. My degree's not doing much for me. You know, it was a master's in contemporary art. No museums are open. So I'm more flexible and open If something did come across

This opportunity was to be on a boat In the Virgin Islands With 10 other reality star kids I mean I don't think that's happening Okay But But yeah Something else happened, why not

I've been on a bunch of other shows Since The Housewives Like Millionaire Matchmaker We did celebrations We did Celebrity Wife Swap a while ago Oh yeah So yeah I think I think we were open to doing things here and there now more so than ever, but who knows is coronavirus.

I mean, I think someone asked if I would do Summer House. They seem really nice. I've spoken to Hannah a few times. She seems really fun and great. Yeah. So I'd be open to it. Definitely now more than before. Well, good to know.

Maybe in 2021 or 2022 we'll get some more Ali Shapiro on our TV screens. Please. Maybe. be he. Well, Ali, this has been so fun. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. I had a really good time talking to you and hopefully we'll see you soon. Maybe not over a screen. I need to be invited to your office again. I love your office. Well, yeah, and it will be a new office. But anyway, thanks, guys. Don't forget to read, review and subscribe and have a great weekend.

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