Mention It All - The Richards Sisters Are Back (& So Is VPR) Ft. Isabel Greenberg

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

On today’s episode, Isabel Greenberg of Comments by Celebs returns to the podcast, and she and Dylan break down a range of important topics. They discuss Vanderpump Rules’ return to filming, and who’s still on the fence about coming back. They also unpack the Richards sisters’ recent reunion, and whether Kathy will be missed on RHOBH. Later, Isabel shares her feelings on RHOC, and whether the current season is working. Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and I am so excited to be joined in the studio again by my friend, Isabel. You know her from comments by celebs, comments by Bravo, all of that good stuff. Isabel, welcome back to the podcast. Hi. So good to see you. Last time we were together, we were in real life watching the very.

Vanderpump Rules reunion finale. Wow. It's crazy that that was like three weeks ago. I have not stopped thinking about it since. It is like, Vanderpump was so present in my mind for like every second of the last three months of that season that the last three weeks, it's been weird to just like not have new Vanderpump information to process.

Like all of a sudden I'm just going about my day and I remember all of it and it's almost like it was a fever dream. Right, but I can't keep talking about it because I'm like, People are going to hate me. I'm like so sick of it, but also still so obsessed with it at the same time that I just, it's daily struggle, I guess. Yeah, which like speaking of Vanderpumperl's season 11, they're picking up the cameras. They are supposed to start filming like this week.

Lala sat on Amazon Live that she's, which I hate that I'm like quoting Lala's Amazon Live. She spills tea on Amazon Live. They all do because they're like, this is the only way I can actually afford my lifestyle. is to get people to watch this Amazon Live. But she said on Amazon Live that she starts filming Wednesday. She said they sent us like what our schedule may look like. It's subject to change. And I'm just like, oh, we're really in it again.

We usually have so much time to just kind of process. Things change a lot. But it's like, nope. What does this look like? Like, are they filming all together? Is it just going to be Ariana living her life? Is Sandoval going to film? Is Raquel going to film?

So according to TMZ reported this week, that everyone is coming back except Raquel is like up in the air still. According to TMZ, she's still at the mental health facility where she's been for more than two months, whatever, that's neither here nor there to me. But they're still working hard to get her on the show, but they don't know if it's going to happen. So I guess it'll be more like us watching them post all of this deal with it sort of separately. like they're not doing big group scenes.

They're not doing confrontations. Like maybe. But also, if they're filming in Tom and Arii on this house, they're what? They have two camera crews, one upstairs, one downstairs. And then they never interact. They just like show the text messages where they have a mediator saying like, I will be using the pool from 12 to 1230.

And then he has to stay out of the pool. I don't know how that looks. It's like in like any time travel movie when they're like, okay, you can go back, but you can't interact. You have to make sure that. that you don't see the other version of you. If Tom and Ariana come too close, the, like, force will be messed with.

It is weird because every, I feel like most seasons of Vanderpump rules, they stop filming at the end of the summer, and then other than the reunion, nothing else happens. And then we pick up eight months later. And it's like, it's summer again. Here's what's going on.

But this, like, we've followed in such real time what's been happening with them that I'm, I don't think it's not going to be good, but I'm a little unsure of just how they're going to actually, like, tell a story. Yeah, it's going to be about what happened. It's going to be about Ariana doing all of her brand deals and, like, rising to the top. Because, you know, technically, if you're not following along on social media on the show, the last we saw, she was, like, home crying in her pajamas.

So now we need to rise, like, watch this, you know, world takeover on the show. I just hope that there will be, like, something else for them to talk. about because I for Ariana's sake at the very least like I want them to have something like I don't want that to be the only point of discussion like how annoying is that for her like stupid ex who she doesn't even care about anymore she has a new guy she's all this life going on I want to watch them sell the house like I guess we'll see Katie and Schwartz stuff and maybe Schwartz and Sandy oh we'll see the sandwich shop something about her yeah I think yeah you're right and also because everyone who isn't you know Tom and Raquel and a little bit Schwartz has said, like, I'm never going to be friends with Raquel again.

I'm never going to be friends with Sandoval again as long as I live, basically. So when you're thinking about putting together a season of TV that is still theoretically about a friend group, it's like, I don't want to watch 12 episodes of Sandoval like. Rehearsing for his karaoke shows. Right. Because if if people like Sheena and Lala and Katie and James are never, ever going to fuck with Tom again, then like I don't want to watch them pretend or like, I don't know. It's like how do you like pick up the pieces? It's not even that they won't fuck with them. It's that like I literally think that they will refuse to film with him.

So even if they're going to have like a theoretical sit down conversation like Arias and be like, no. Why are you giving him air time? Why are you even honoring that they would let him even speak to you? So it's like, I am curious. But I was like, when I heard that they were filming again, I was like, I am personally not even ready for that. So I don't even know how you guys can. Like, I'm still exhausted. Right.

Like thinking about the fact that the last time I saw you was at the part three of the reunion and they had basically been doing like continuous press and all of this stuff. Up until then, it's like, they must need a break. I need a break still. Like, I am still emotionally hung over from that night, but also just the whole season and recapping it. So imagine living it and then seeing it all play out and like everything they went through. I mean, it's really something. Yeah, I'm always a proponent.

Like, sometimes when these shows, like, we've really gotten out of hand with the term on pause. Yeah. Because they'll take like a normal amount of time or maybe like a couple extra weeks. between filming for the next season. And they're like, guys, New Jersey is being put on pause. No, it's like they have to just wait a normal, like either a normal or a little bit more to either figure it out or to wait until something else more interesting is happening.

Like, they can't just always say August 1st, we're picking up cameras. Like, what if all the interesting stuff starts in September? It's not. Right. And I would rather them not either spend a month creating fake drama. Yeah, forcing it. Or spend a month filming boring shit. Yeah.

Right. And then they end up cutting out anyway. Exactly. No, I know. Everyone gets so, so crazy with that. But like, sometimes there isn't really a deeper meaning. It's just like production, timing, whatever. And like if there are, I mean, I think with a lot of these shows, there are complicated casting decisions being made. That stuff takes time. You have to get all the contracts signed and ready to go. Like, it's not always just a matter of like everyone gets their schedule in the mail and then shows up to film. I do not envy whoever's making the New Jersey decisions. Oh my God. It's. It's tough. And like, I feel like everybody's sort of talked about it to death. But then at the same time, it's like, but so what do they do? No, we still have. Nobody's landed on like, quote, the right. There is no right answer, I guess. Yeah. I just worry because it's like you keep both of them. You get rid of both of them. But if you keep one, then the other one, one, you know, or lost. Yeah. So I just don't, I don't. I don't. I literally have no idea what they do. I think you, I think your account posted the thing where it was like, Teresa Emily. might be on spin-off shows and Melissa commented. She was like, I'm fine where I am.

Thanks. Yes, yes. It's like, yeah, I think Melissa has kind of made it clear that she feels like her position is still on the show. I think obviously Teresa feels that way too. But when you think of like the opportunity of a spinoff show, it's like maybe you would be better off just taking the check and like. My personal like where I've landed of the right decision or the way that everybody

could be happy, including the fans. is they keep Melissa on the show and they give Teresa like a peacock spin off of her own because I think Teresa would be so happy with that like headlining her own show like that seems super like elite Kardashian vibe and Melissa would feel happy like staying you know her friends are there whatever and I think the fans would feel like okay we still get a little bit of both but no decision will make everybody happy exactly I think well that's like with so much Bravo stuff it's like you're going back and forth, but then at the end of the day, people are going to complain no matter what. No matter what. By the way, we are people.

Right. And even like going back to Vanderpump, it's like this was one of the most like explosive wild seasons, whatever. And you still are seeing people online being like, that reunion could have gone harder. Kind of yawn. Like that reveal was underwhelming. It's like, okay. No. I like, you guys don't know. Like we literally have like our little Bravo crew at all these events. And watching that together specifically in like this bar setting, like as if we were watching the Super Bowl and like the screaming and the popcorn and like getting to look at each other and be like, holy shit. That was.

And like the ambient noise. If we were, we were in like an upstairs area, but then in the downstairs, Brock and Chino were there. And every like. And she was vlogging. She was vlogging. And Brock would just randomly start chants of like, Sheena. Yeah.

And we've got to shut up. We're trying to listen to the episode. Right. I went home and I had to rewatch. I'm like, oh my God, I had no idea. Any of this even happened. It's like they're playing it without commercials. We can't be loud right now. This is not the time. No, when they start, when the show started and we went from like what would be the first commercial break and there was no commercial. We were like, something shifted. I need a commercial. But we did get home early. We did get home early. And at my view, POV, I'm sitting there watching you and Gibson in your matching t-shirts, eating popcorn, watching this reunion.

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Okay, one other thing I want to ask. So Charlie did this interview with Rolling, Charlie Burnett. Yeah, Charlie Burnett doing Rolling Stone. Okay, iconic. Who would have thought in 2023 that a second tier Vanderpump Rules cast member would have... Second is generous, by the way. Would have like a profile in Rolling Stone.

But basically, she did this whole interview about being kind of like the caught in the crosshairs one in Scandibald. And she said in that interview that she was offered a full-time contract for season 11, but was on the fence about coming back, essentially because she knows. that due to her position in the group, she's going to have to be the one who's like filming with Raquel if she comes back. Yeah. They're going to make her like a mediator sort of Switzerland role, which like is probably annoying for her if she just doesn't want to do that.

Do you think she's going to come back? Yeah. Do you want her to come back? I actually do. I actually do. I don't feel like we got enough of her, especially this season she really got pushed to the side. But like I feel like she has so much potential and fits perfectly in with this cast, just

personality-wise, but I do understand her concern of like they're going to pigeonhole her into this role because she's probably the only one who would be even remotely willing to budge and had a relationship with Raquel like that, that she could, you know? Right. And it wouldn't be the other people that were closest in the cast to Raquel were Sheena and Ariana. Right, they're not touching out the tent. That's untenable.

Yeah. No, no. I know. Honestly, big props to Charlie, though, for being, for joining the show in that like, bizarre season eight where they added like 27 people to the cast who then all got fired for being racist and she just kind of rose from the ashes and is still here it's like who good for her honestly even if she does end up going back also good for her for like questioning if she like most people would just take that check take that fame like this is now the most popular reality

show you know so her even second guessing it because of her moral compass and like understanding how the show works and also now putting it out there. So we give her a little bit of grace if we watch this season. We're like, why is Charlie so with Raquel? But we also know that storytelling wise they need, it can't just be Raquel sitting, talking to herself and then everybody else at, sir, like breaking down what went down that day, which is actually how I'm picturing it now going on. Right, like Raquel's just like talking to her dog or whatever the whole time.

She's outside that nail salon. Remember that TMZ video talking? Like that's just what the whole season's going to be of her. I do feel like we've come a long way in our understanding of kind of the mechanics behind these shows. Yes. From a production standpoint, like, there's a big difference between people saying, like, oh, it's like scripted or like fake and the idea of like, we're crafting a television

package narrative. So we need people, we need the right combinations of people to film with each other so that you can follow the through line of what's happening here. Yeah. And that I, you know, like you said, you don't envy the producers, the casters of New Jersey. I don't envy the people on Vanderpump Rules who have to like act. actually sit down and be like what what is what are we doing this season right who have to like follow the storylines it's hard because i think it's like such a blessing and a curse that

the audience has become way more savvy to like what goes on you know just because of like social media and i guess just watching so much reality tv at this point we sort of know that there are producers prompting things that there are like storyline producers trying you know to keep the continuity and whatever and like i think that helps but it also can hurt because people always are going to question those decisions. Right. It makes things a lot. It feels like you have to cover a lot more bases than 10 years ago when we were just

watching eight episodes of a TV show and being like, yay. No, I find that even with Kardashians. It's gotten a lot trickier. Like, they just have to kind of figure it out like that. Do you, are you watching Kardashians this season? Of course. Okay. So I've never watched their Hulu show.

I think I watched like two episodes of the first season. Do you, how would you compare it to Housewives? in terms, or I guess Vanter Pump too, like, do you find that the storytelling is like engaging in a similar way? Or is it more just that you are invested in the people so you keep watching? I mean, I would watch them do anything. So I'm like, I guess a hard person to ask this question. I think it's different because especially with this Hulu show and they've made this clear, they really made it more focus on their individual storylines. And then when they do come together and do their stuff as sisters, they followed that versus I think the old show would maybe

be more comparable to Housewise where they really were like forcing this together time. So like in the way that they're like, oh, we're going on a girls trip. And we obviously know that that's just like a way to keep the group together and have them like stuff. That was sort of what the old Kardashian was like. And now this new one is almost, I honestly actually think this could be what Vanderpump ends up being like because it's following their individual storylines like. Yeah, like parallel lives.

Obviously, like, we'll see Lala and Katie and Ariana go to lunch. But then we see Ariana and Katie building the business. We see Lala doing her thing. Like, they sort of stand on their own. And I think that's great for Vanderpup, which means they're interesting enough on their own and we care enough on their own that that could be possible. That's interesting because going back to the roots, I've been rewatching season one of Vanderpump and recapping it with Sammy.

And it's like such an odyssey. But like one thing I was struck by. watching the season is like, oh, we're at the restaurant a lot. And like, there are like major storylines on the show that are about like getting shifts covered. And obviously, you know, when I think about overall van der Pum, it's like, oh, they used to be waiters and now they're not. But like, that was what the show was about.

And it has already evolved so far. And I think the fact that it's been so successful with a couple, you know, dips in quality here and there, like, there is something really engaging about this group of people and like the fact that they've been able to sort of. of cross that bridge into being like their own adult people with their own storylines. It's the same with Kardashians. You feel the shift from when it's just following a family that's like funny. They have money. They're like in Beverly Hills, whatever. Doing pranks together. Doing pranks. Yeah. Like just being a family. And then all of the sudden it's now about a famous family.

And like famous sisters. So it's almost the same thing with Vanderpom now. We're going to be watching these like famous reality stars on their own show. Yeah, that's true that it's like there isn't that layer of like just eight normal girls who live in L.A. Exactly. It's like no, they're like making their own merch. No, I loved when they like, exactly, like making 200 grand off of their sandwich merch. I liked when they all like lived in the same apartment building.

Like they would walk in the hallways and it was like it was just that those were the good old days. Yeah. It's interesting. I started watching the Luann and the. Sonia spin-off. Oh, yeah. Which obviously, you know, we'll get into at a later date, but it's funny, like, the way they treated that it's like their, like, celebrities coming to town.

And it's like, yeah. Yeah. Kind of. It's full simple life. Yeah. It's a lot of fun. I'm excited for people to watch it. Oh, I'm so excited.

But, yeah, no, Kardashians, I think I watched the last season of keeping up or at least part of it. And it was like during COVID and they were, maybe it wasn't, I don't know what season it was. But they had, like, rented a house in Malibu for. for them to film at. Yeah. And it was so, they were like, yeah, it's COVID. So it's nice to be able to get away to this house in Malibu.

That was rough. This is so contrived that it's like you have to drive 45 minutes from your homes in Calabasas to this random rental house in Malibu. To film. At like clearly decided times that you're all going to be there. And they're like arguing over who gets what bedroom. And I'm like, you don't live here. Yeah, no, I know.

That was probably the best that they could do during COVID. I think you should watch the Hulu one. I'm interested to hear what you think. No promises. What? Because you don't watch a lot of TV. I see your recaps. I don't, okay, I don't watch a lot of reality TV outside of Bravo.

I understand that. But I dabble here and there. Kardashians is my... I never finished the last season of selling sunset either. I don't know. I lose steam on stuff. That's my problem. Yeah.

Kardashians, I never lose steam. That's like my reward on like a Wednesday, Thursday. Okay. So happy to watch it. Okay. I'll report back. Maybe I'll give it a chance. I hear Kim and Courtney.

are heating up. Yeah. You should watch the first two seasons just to catch up. I mean, even though you know what's going on in real time, but yeah,

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I do want to talk about, you know, Kardashian tangential, the Richards sisters. I'm so, when you told me you wanted to talk about this, I literally was so happy. So over the weekend, Kim's daughter, Whitney, got married in Colorado, and Kyle and Kathy were both there. Okay.

Together again. I was watching all, because all of, like, the cousins, like Paris, Nikki, Kyle's daughters, Kim's daughters. Everyone was posting and I think that they were all at Kyle and Maricio's house doing karaoke the night before. And it made me so happy because especially recently, I think we've been hearing like Kim and Kathy were somewhere or like they were at the premiere of something and Kyle wasn't

invited and just, you know, every month there's something about them. So to see them all together with the kids in Aspen celebrating those like beautiful wedding, it was so, so, like, I actually could cry and I was watching everything so closely. Like, Kim and Kyle are dancing at the wedding. It really, it warmed my heart. And did you see Kyle and Kathy behind the bar at Kimosabe? Yeah. That was good.

They were holding the Kathy and the Kendall tequila. And there's like, apparently now at Kimosabi, there's a cut out of Kathy Hilton that just lives behind the bar. As there should be. As they're fucking should be. It is funny, though, because Kathy just confirmed a couple of weeks. weeks ago that she's not going to be on the next season of Beverly Hills at all. She's saying that she chose to do Paris's peacock show instead, which is like, I feel like

you could have shown up a little bit for both. But yeah, I feel like obviously Kyle and Kathy had a tough time last season on Beverly Hills. And then there was kind of this narrative that Kyle was kind of like the odd one out in the family. Which I think has happened more than it hasn't. Yeah. And it's it's nice that at the very. least when there is an event like this because, I mean, we remember in the past, Kyle has not always been an automatic, you know, invite. Nikki Hilton's wedding member? I actually am, maybe I'm swayed because I'm like rewatching old Beverly Hills and it was kind of the seasons where Kathy was just this like offline figure

that was sort of just there and talked about it and was. Right. Kyle's not invited to Nikki's wedding, but her daughters are. And Maricio is not. And then Kyle was going, but Maricio is not allowed there. Like there's always just something and look selfishly will I miss Kathy of course I Again she is someone who I'm just so fascinated by and I also think watching the contrast of her on housewives and on Paris was like just a wild experience because it's really two different people yeah But as like a sister and as like a human who just loves Kyle

I I think it's so much safer and better in the long run like you same thing with kids everyone's like bring back Kim whatever you know what they're about like yeah everyone it's just it's it almost got too dark well and I think it's it's interesting you made a comment earlier we were talking before we started recording about the new york reboot and kind of how people are going to um enjoy it or not enjoy it and you were saying how people are loving OC this season because it's lighter and doesn't seem that you know doesn't have a lot of darkness to it and I think with Kyle and her sisters, it's like we've, obviously there is like TV enjoyment to be had out of watching people struggle through these issues. But then also it gets to a point where it's like, I just want to watch people like have fun. I don't know.

Right. Like you needed to be a little fluffy. And at a certain point I felt so bad. And I felt like almost guilty that like the show is doing to this to the sisters to then like it trickles down to the kids. It just was like it's a lot. By the way, same thing with Teresa and Melissa and Joe, you know. Obviously, I could watch that forever. Also, when, like, the Manzo's Luritas, I think there's something about family. I'm so in on it. And when it's good and when it's fluffy, it's good. But when it got to, like, a place where now the sisters aren't talking for six months and, like, you know, their mother's not alive anymore. And then the kids, it just, it gets, it gets so sad.

Right. Like, watching Kyle on the reunion, like, sobbing over the state of her relationship. with her sister who's sitting, you know, five feet away, but they haven't spoken directly to each other. Like, that's not like, it doesn't make me happy. Like, I think it's compelling. But, like, there is a certain point where it's like, okay, that, that gave us a lot of certain things. Maybe it is time to, like, refresh, go a little lighter. And I think with, with Beverly Hills, I see a lot of people being worried that this upcoming season is going to be boring. And, like, it's, It honestly might be.

Yeah. I'm definitely not. I'm definitely not in a position to be like, shut up, guys. It's going to be so good. Like, I'm not, I haven't seen anything. I don't know. But like, I'm not upset that we're not going to get like Kyle being like berated

by her sisters. No. And it's healthier for sisters. So. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, who's is? Beverly Hills could just be maybe what we're getting from OC.

Light, fluffy, inconsequant. drama. I don't know. I think the thing with Beverly Hills is that in the last, the last couple seasons, I think, sort of broke out of this, but more like season like seven through 10 maybe, there was a lot of the idea that Beverly Hills was like a little too buttoned up and that they were all very conscious of their images. Yeah, like actresses. They know the deal. And that it was like boring. It was like, you know, low stakes in a boring way versus I think OC right now. It kind of feels like classic housewives drama.

Like the storyline that's brewing with Taylor and Heather of Heather not thinking she was serious about a role in a movie that's filming in Oklahoma that you know we're never ever going to see this movie. And you also know is like the biggest deal to Taylor. Right. Like that is to me like a delicious housewife storyline. I agree. And even the stuff with Shannon and Tamara, I'm like, I don't really know what the roots

of it are or if it's leading us. up to anything particularly exciting. But like I like watching them figure their shit out. Tamara's great at fighting. Yeah, I agree. It's like I'm happy to be along for the ride because you know it's not like a do or die, life or death kind of situation. Like it will and can pass.

I just think I also think we're just so grateful to have such a good season of OC to have Tamer back to like have Taylor all these like OG energy. we actually care about it more. I think they do a good job casting that show, whereas a lot of others are difficult. Like, I think all the people in Beverly Hills that in theory that they would want don't want to do the show. Yeah, I think Beverly Hills, because they have the like air of famousness about them, which some of the women are legit famous and some of them aren't.

Like, it's not like they only cast celebrities. Yeah. But whenever it's with OC, the only people that people are ever like saying should be cast on OC are people who have already been on the show. They're like, Alexis Bellino, bring her back. Gretchen. They should bring back Alexis. Oh, I love Alexis.

I'm on the record. Bring her back. Her and Heather Dubrow are like friends. I know. It's crazy because I had Heather on the show last season and I was like, Alexis Blino, she's like, I love Alexis. I'm like, that was not what I expected. But with Beverly Hills, the casting requests are always like a list celebrities or like.

It's like Chrissy Teagan. Former A-List celebrity. Like people want like Nicolette Sheridan or Camorra Lee Simmons. And like it's not that those ideas don't excite me at all. But it's like I don't actually know if that is the most like fruitful way of going about casting. Yeah. Like they could both have their own shows, I think. So it's like are they going to be down to get into like the housewives wheel?

Right. And when you think about people like Doreet and Sutton, they were not on our radars before they were on Housewives. and like, you know, opinions may differ over how great or iconic they are on the show. But, like, I certainly think they're entertaining and really just, like, fascinating people. Absolutely. Totally. Derreet is a star. Derreet is, it's like so, sometimes I, like, forget about Derrit. And then I'm like, damn, what a woman.

I'm watching, like I said, like those mid seasons of Beverly Hills. her first season or two, what a different person. So different. That like when she, her coming on the show as like Lisa's friend and she kind of, I don't know, like her personality just seems very like subdued in a way. She was just like trying really hard.

She couldn't really figure it out. It was a lot with P.K. Like we did not like him and now I do like him. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like you forget these journey you've been on. with these people of like this was my first impression and now what I think of Doread as a person is like completely different.

So yeah. I think she's an example of somebody who has been on the show and has really like transformed herself in a way that I find really kind of like fun to watch. Yes. Versus there are people who come on the show and it's like, can we go back to the season one version? Totally because it's still her. But I think she's eating up like the fame and the glam and the friendships. And I don't know.

I guess because her and Kyle became like actual real friends that also makes it feel less sad when you see such a transformation. I also was thinking like this season Doreed who is so like just follows LVP because it was like PK's old friend and you know, she owes Lisa. She's bringing her into the group and Lisa was friends with PK's old wife but now he likes, she likes to read better. if that Deereid or that LVP now knew that Kyle and Maricio and P.K. and Derreed are like this best friend group that do everything together and like LVP is so out of the picture. Holy shit. We would have been freaking out about that and that like they don't speak to her. Yeah. I mean, I think I've really come to the understanding with myself that I don't think it will ever make sense for Lisa to go back to Beverly Hills. I agree. I just think she doesn't need it. Why would she want it? They don't need her. No.

It's not a mutually beneficial. She's different. It's just different. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's sad to come to terms with, but it is true. But then again, it's like you see her on Instagram and like paling around with Garcel and it's like, but maybe.

I know. I know. That's the thing. Emma and I always say this on our show. Like I will have an opinion on something or think something. And then like a minute later I contradict myself or I feel differently because these things like are always changing. Well, and I think with casting, especially. with people that we know.

I mean, I think Faye Resnick is somebody who this happens for me where I'm like, oh, Faye would be such an iconic housewife. And then it's like, but like why? We don't need that. I know. That would be like a backslide into like. I know. Because then she would have to like try even harder and it would be too much pressure

when she's so freaking good at it without it. Like and she just says the right things and puts way more drama than any other friend of I think has ever planted just simply by existing and being who she is. Yeah. Like, she doesn't need the diamond to like, you know, we don't need her to make a tagline. Right. And like some people, I think just their energy and their contribution makes more sense as somebody who can just kind of like float in and out than somebody who has to like be there every week.

Yeah. No, Fay is the best example because her presence causes drama. Like she walks in, doesn't say a word and they're like, Fay Resonix here. Oh, Fay this, this, and she doesn't have to say anything. So why make her talk? Yeah. Study and play. Come together on a Windows 11 PC.

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Learn more at Windows.com slash student offer. While supplies last, June 30th terms at aka.m.m.m.m. What do you think about Camille Grammer? Super random, but she's going to be on the girls trip that we're getting later this year. I love Camille. She's such good TV. Yeah. I've really, I think we all have really flip-flop back and forth on her for all these years. Like, she was the villain the first couple seasons. Then we, like, loved her. And then we kind of didn't love her. I'm excited to see how she is in a girls' trip setting, actually. Yeah, she's one of those.

So the girls' trip that's coming up later this year, obviously the Brandy and Caroline stuff is like a whole, a whole can of worms that we don't know how it's going to go. I don't know how they're going to handle it. But that cast aside from those two, Gretchen Rossi is coming back. Vicki's going to be there. It's like. Wait, I'm so excited. It's weird to think about, I mean, talking about OC casting too. Like, we haven't seen, like, Gretchen was such a staple of the show while she was on.

but she's one of those people who really like disappeared. Right. But she's still her. So like hopefully still still stirred up. And I think Taylor Armstrong was kind of like, she was a good like proof of concept for that type of thing where it's somebody who like made their contribution on the show and then really never was in our like consciousness as probably from the ground. Yeah.

And like I mean, Gretchen is all over Instagram. more than Taylor. With a lot of face tune. And her daughter is adorable. She's still with Slade. But like, so it's not like you can't find out like what she's up to. But in terms of like the Bravo world, she hasn't stuck around like. She wasn't doing BravoCon panels.

She wasn't like revisiting going to the clubhouse. She's not like Kim Zolciak had a spinoff for. Yeah, exactly. A decade. You know, like Gretchen is somebody who it's like, I don't know how Gretchen is on TV. Exactly. And I'm like, that'll be fun. Let's go.

Like, it's also an Alex McCord situation. I don't know how Alex McCord is on TV. Yeah. And also, like, I think with last season or I guess two seasons ago of Girlstrap, obviously for people like Tamara and Taylor and Dorinda, it ended up being kind of like a pre-getting back on Bravo. Audition. Exercise.

Whereas, like, for somebody like Alex McCord, I'm like, I don't know if there's an ulterior motive, but it seems like you're really happy in Australia. So like, who knows? It's a week long, low lift. It's a good check. The people want it. And maybe they're curious about it. Instead of like committing to a full season of something, this is so much better.

But do you wish that Alex McCord was on the New York trip? You know. Or she has no place either way. That's interesting. I haven't really thought about that at all because I think the, we've all kind of like memory hold the Morocco season because it feels like it filmed forever ago. And that was the Alex trip. Right.

But, like, I don't know. I'm really curious to see how the, how the legacy girls trip goes. Because I think, of course, I'm sure it'll be like entertaining baseline. But I'm like, is there going to be like real storyline? And I think that obviously the bigger question after that is like, is there going to be some, is the like legacy, legacy show ever going to happen? I think no. I think probably not.

Because unless this show is like such a huge success. I don't think it's going to air until next year. So then it's going to be like... And this is just to satisfy us with that. My worry is that they go to this house and it's just like Luann quoting herself the whole time. And like they're trying to like make it like what it was. Like oh, the pirate.

Like, oh, we're going back to the same club. Like I get nervous about that. But I also saw like things on Instagram from Dorinda and Ramona. And like you could just sit them all in an empty room. are entertaining. So I'm not like worried. I just think sometimes trying to recreate the magic is always a disappointment. Yeah.

I originally I had heard that they were trying to go back to like the same villa in St. John. Oh, are they not? No, so that scary island was in St. John and they're in St. Bart's this time. Oh, they're at the one with the pirate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, I don't know, we'll see. But not everybody was even there the first time.

Like Derinda wasn't on that trip. Exactly. Heather to Heather and Carol carried that trip, by the way. And a Viva dresser. So bring back, by the way, fucking bring back Aviva Drescher. Talk about a good housewife. She got loony towards the end and the leg throw. I think they really felt like she was playing her own producer.

But she was good to me. A Viva was somebody that I was kind of hoping might pop up on the legacy cast list. I think more than Kristen, which like we'll see what Kristen brings. No, Chris will be good. Ramona will be mean to her. It'll be great. Wait, did you see how they named Robbethy Frankel and did just like that? Yeah.

It's so weird. I need to know the behind the scenes of Sarah Jessica Parker and Andy with that. Like is she texting him? That's true. We name drop Bethany in this like kind of silly way, like snarky way. What do you think? Is it okay? And he's probably like, yeah, she can handle anything.

She'll love it. Bethany, any name drop is a good name drop for her. Yeah. But it was just like that was my first thought. And then Bethany made like a funny response like, ooh, they can't keep their, My name out of their mouths, you know, like, what? Okay. Okay, relax.

I don't know. I mean, I don't watch it and just like that. Like, I'm not like a sex in the city person. Lucky. But, yeah, no, it's super weird to hear Carrie Bradshaw reference. Bethany Frankl. I know. I was, like, reading all these tweets like, in a universe that Carrie Bradshaw would

wouldn't know who Bethany Frankl is. Like, there's just no way. But it was her friend who said it, who would seem like she knows who she is. It just, it was like kind of a weird joke. too. It was like Carrie saying I always wanted to rent in the Hamptons, but there was always a reason that I didn't. And the friend says, was the reason Bethany Frankel? Yeah, like, if we've made it till 2023 without like a housewives reference on sex in the city, like I feel like it just doesn't exist in that universe. Right. I don't know. I know. I feel like

Charlotte would be a big housewives guilty pleasure watcher. But like I feel like Samantha would be on the housewives. Oh, yeah. I mean, Sonia is our. own Samantha. Well, I feel like Carol is like low-key Carrie Bradshaw. Like, yeah. I don't know how it's like getting a little too close to the sun. Yeah. The one, the one issue with and just like that is that they- Bethany-Frankle named after the bethens. The Bethany-Frankle like multiverse is colliding. No, trust me, that is not the only issue, but I will be tuning in every week regardless. Okay. Well, well, torture myself. Okay. So maybe I'll be watching Kardashians. I don't think And just like that is going to be on my watch list. Don't worry about it. But, you know, I'm glad that you've given me something to, to, to, to,

work on. I'm so glad I can give you a homework assignment, which is to watch Kardashians on Hulu. I'll keep you posted on how that goes. Isabel, it's such a pleasure to have you. Oh my God, thanks for having me. Tell everyone where they can follow and listen to you. You can follow us, comments by celebs, comments by Bravo, comments by athletes, comments by bachelor. The whole thing. I have a Bachelorette. Back. It's back. Oh my God. Good luck with that. And you can listen to our podcast. Everywhere you listen to podcasts, comments by celebs, we do a Kardashian show, a pop culture show, and our weekly Bravo show too. Amazing. Check it out. Thank you so much, Isabel.

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