Mention It All - The Saint-Tropez of Upstate New York (RHONJ, RHOD)

Episode Date: March 11, 2021

After a brief discussion of Dolores Catania’s latest ~cosmetic procedure~ Dylan and Bari recap this week’s episodes of RHONJ and RHOD. The New Jersey ladies finish up their Lake George trip, and while everyone handles the Michelle issue maturely, there’s less progress with Jackie and Teresa’s cold war. Over in Dallas, the Austin trip ends poorly, as Tiffany Moon is once again put on defense for something that wasn’t her fault. Hopefully D’Andra’s shaman-turned-hairdresser can fix this group once and for all. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Dylan Hafer. Who don't check me, boo? And Barry Rosenfeld. I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to sleep week. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer.

And I'm Barry Rosenfeld. How are you doing? Doing great. You know, we're making it through. I feel like this week has been. been very busy, but you know, it's, it is what it is. Yeah, I just have to start off. I actually couldn't wait to get on to record today after Watch Dropins Live last night because, well, and because I wanted to talk to you. But Dolores got a new Vigene on Thursday, like, announced it.

Wait, what? I didn't watch. She got a new vagina. Well, yeah, I know what a Vigene is. Yeah, she got it this Thursday. She said she's still all bandaged up and everything. Wow. She's still going because like she she looks fucking amazing by the way. But like she is still going. I was like what else is there to do? I wonder if she gave David a heads up about the Vigene.

She did. But she gave it like a little further before. But she that's where the conversation started. But I was about to just say it on Bravo Instagram last night. And I was like, no, I'm better not. I'm just going to. You know, that reminds me of one of my favorite Bachelor quotes when Corinne said, I have a heart of gold, but my Vigene is platinum. Yeah, and then I got annoyed because it's like, I always use the word Vigene.

So I was like, great. Now everyone's going to use the word Vigene because the Kardashians always say Vigene. Remember Corinne? What's she up to these days? Probably, you know, she's not on TV, so we don't care. Let's be, okay, let's just dive into Real House House in New Jersey. By the way, Dolores looks phenomenal. I guess we probably won't see her latest procedure.

No. We won't see how it looks. But everything else looks great. It's interesting. So she starts off talking to David and she's saying that they're the kind of couple who, when they have an issue, rather than really talking about it, they walk away and defrost, which is an interesting strategy. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure that inspires confidence in their long-term relationship. But if it works for them. Yeah, it clearly is the type of relationship where, listen, it's working for them. She said Gabby has a stomach geek. Can you call her right now? Like he's always just there. And then Frank Katania thinks of himself as her gay best friend. Her husband.

Yeah. And I'm like, oh, God, this family dynamic is so funny. Like, but again, it's working. Like, okay, bye, David. It is funny. Like, Dolores is like, well, you know, we're not married. We don't live together. We can take our time apart.

It's like, yeah, like you've been together for like two years. So I feel like whether or not you're married or live together, it's like it doesn't feel like it's that serious, which is fine. It just is interesting because I think like last season she was kind of like, why aren't we living together? Like, why aren't we engaged? And now it's like, okay, you don't seem like you actually want that. But I also think that she definitely has the best of both worlds.

And now she looks good. Like, you know what? We all want to be Dolores right now. Live in the life. And they're living the life. life at the lake. Everyone's enjoying. Teresa's in her, you know, hot little paper towel roll swimsuit. She goes, I'm like, I'm in Santrope. I was a girlfriend. That is not. Would you wear the Santrope? That's like Cancun spring break, not Santrope. I and Melissa's in her full Fendi

swimsuit. Like, they are dressed ridiculously for a day at Lake George. It's so funny. And last night, I was like made a joke. And everyone was like, what's wrong with? I was like, guys, I've been to Lake George a few times. Like, it's beautiful. I love it. It was making a joke because they are dressed to the nines and it's just them in their backyard, like on a floor. Right. I think that's the funny thing is like nobody's shitting on Lake George. It's just like it's not this. It's not this like bougie vacation spot. It's just like a lake. It's a nice lake. They really do seem to be having a good time and are very relaxed and it seems like it is exactly like what all of them need right now. They don't seem bored. They don't seem. It's like the

perfect time away, but I, as a viewer, I'm very happy that we're done. Like, we're back. Yeah. And well, and also because Jackie didn't go on the trip and they left, obviously, with so much shit going on between Teresa and Jackie and kind of rippling through the rest of the group until they're back and now they are. But we can't really like deal with it and move forward because Teresa's not going to call Jackie. She's not going to call Evan. They're not going to have a conversation while they're still at the lake. So I'm glad that the trip was kind of like a fun little break, but we need to actually like deal with something. Right. Move on. I literally wanted to take a shot every time Teresa brought up Jackie, but I would be

very hungover right now. And so I didn't. But I do have to say we props are still going to Jennifer Edom because this voice of reason, and I know we shouldn't talk too soon because I think next episode is when shit hits the fan. Yeah, the last five minutes of this episode, she kind of, she kind of lost it. But yeah, but she, you know, very nice. pulls Melissa to the side and I like couldn't get over the way she handled the situation. I was like, this is so adult like of what we're not used to seeing. She told Melissa exactly what happened. The conversation with Michelle, there were no lies.

There was no like beating around the bush. Like she told Melissa, Melissa was like, what? Okay, let me go back to Joe. That doesn't make sense. And I was like, oh my God. This is like, we haven't seen an adult conversation like this in years. it was she handled it the exact way that it should have been handled and don't shoot the messenger on I feel like on a lot of housewives shows you even when we see people handle things this way sometimes it's not met with the appreciation and I liked that Melissa received what Jennifer was saying and was appreciative of the information without kind of you know insinuating that Jen was being messy or anything also yeah Jennifer not only in that situation, but also, you know, she's saying in her confessional how Teresa has this problem that she will like realize after they're done talking about something why she's mad or she'll kind of come to the realization that she still cares and she keeps talking about it. And that's totally like every time they're in a group setting this episode, she's like, yeah, fuck Jackie. And it's like we're not talking about Jackie. Like Jackie's not here. Nobody brought her up. Nobody's even defending her. And that.

that moment. Like, it's so, it's so classic Teresa that she, her mind is just like humming along a few beats behind everyone else. And she's still like, yeah, I don't know about Jackie. And it's like, nobody else is saying it. Because I think she's doing this because in her head, she wants, she's like, doesn't want people to forget. And she wants them to continuously be on her side. I honestly think that's why she's doing it. Yeah. It does feel like she's kind of drumming up support for herself. because in the initial moment, everybody was very like, Teresa, why did you spread that rumor?

And then now that it's kind of marinated a little bit, we see kind of, you know, Jen is a little more in the middle. Maybe even Margaret is a little bit more like, okay, Jackie, like maybe you should oppose. Like I don't, so Teresa is more, she's getting more support than she did initially. And so maybe for her,

it is the kind of thing where she feels like if she keeps bringing it up, people are kind of going to be like, yeah, like, maybe Jackie should just apologize because Teresa's still really mad. But Jackie's still really mad too. Like, we just aren't seeing her on the trip. Right. But okay, so here's the thing that I want to talk about. Yes. When Michelle, who rolls up with a squad at Teresa's house to take up pictures, and I was like, oh my God, how bad. Did you not get this? Does this girl want to be on this show? Like, oh, my God. So, you know, I'm not, I'm not feeling. Michelle. No, not at all. I was very surprised at the way Teresa handled this situation because it was very

not Teresa like she asked Michelle to come like, do I just want to speak to her? And Teresa was like, listen, this is what happened. You're talking about my brother. Like, I will not sell my house with you unless you clear it up. And of course, Michelle was like, oh my God, oh my God. Like I need this house. But, but what she did there is exactly the type of conversation she should have had with Jackie. Yeah. This was a weird interaction because at the lake, when they were talking about it with the group, Teresa was very like, well, she's the best realtor. Like, I got to have the realtor. Like, I don't know. It's not my problem. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know what Joe's doing. And I feel like sometimes, I don't know if this is the next day or like the next week or something.

She's, she's kind of changed her tune a little bit, which I think is for the best because we don't want her and Joe to get to this like shitty place again. I don't think anybody really wants that. No. So it's it's good to see that kind of loyalty from Teresa because obviously she does want her house sold, but like there are other realtors in New Jersey. But yeah, Michelle, Michelle feels very thirsty to me. I liked when, when Melissa and Teresa were talking and Melissa's like, you always bring these cooks around our group. Like, who are? are these people. She's like, I don't know Michelle. Like, I literally, I only know her because she worked with my husband one time. But also the other thing is that when they did that,

like, rollback to Evans party number one where Michelle was like, Michelle was like, she asked me like straight up. And then they showed it. And Jim was like, how do you know, like, she didn't ask her that specific. She just like asked how she knows what's on she. Michelle brought this upon herself. Right. When somebody, when somebody asks you, oh, like, how do you, like, how, like, what has your experience been like with Melissa? Like, how's it going? Like, it was not a question that felt like it was asked in a leading kind of way to like stir shit up. No. Insert Michelle's, um, like Apple. That's, wait, no, that's not what they, they don't hold anything in New Jersey. They don't. I was like, I, isn't that crazy? I was like,

wait, what are they, they don't hold anything. I've always, I've always said they should hold, um, a meatball, but... Ew, that wouldn't, like, execute well. Or just, like, a handful of spaghetti. Spaghetti, yeah. But, yeah, so we, of course, have Evans' birthday redo, which I liked to the Jockey put this together. It looked more fun and less stressful than the first one.

They're playing a little cornhole. Love to see that. They're drinking some drinks. And this is the first time that we see Jackie back with the whole group. Obviously, Teresa's not there, but everybody else shows up. And Jackie, I wish she would have kind of just, like, enjoyed it a little more. And she seemed a little bit, I understand, but she seemed a little bit stressed to be around the women again and was kind of too focused on, like, shoring up her support. She's doing exactly.

Right. She's doing exactly what Teresa is doing, though, which is what I said earlier. Like, she wants to make sure the girls are still. but it's funny they each on their Instagram yesterday posted a picture of the group without the other one. Like so Jackie like Jackie posted out to her. Like she's like the group's back together and like vice versa. I was like, girls, come on. But it'll be interesting to see how long they managed to make it without Teresa and Jackie being in the same place.

I'm not sure that's sustainable. But Joe Gorga, Joe Gorga doing what a good brother should do. And he's laughing about it. He was like, I think that she said that, I think she was trying to, like, look out for you guys. And he couldn't even, like, get through the sentence that he's like, listen, I'm just doing my due diligence. Like, I don't really think that was the case. But it was difficult.

It's tough for me because it's like, I understand, like, Joey wants to be, you know, a good brother. They've been down this road before. But it's like in this situation, like, I really think it would be best for everyone to just stay neutral. And it's clearly some people are having a hard time with that, which I get. But it's like just people make it awkward. Like it doesn't have to be awkward. Like you're there to enjoy and have drinks. In this situation, I personally feel that there wasn't an elephant in the room.

Like I get it. It's awkward because Jackie's friends with her brother and with Teresa's brother and Teresa's sister-in-law. But like you're there for Evan's birthday. Like who can't, you know what I mean? Like just. Totally. For these two hours, just don't.

talk about it. But, you know, we'll see. I feel like Jennifer is starting to veer back into being Teresa's like little soldier. I hope she doesn't go down that path too far because I like her kind of as a little bit of a neutral grounded presence. Well, she's very shady in her interviews. Yes. Very.

I love that's the thing. I'm really enjoying her this season because I feel like she actually has a good read on things and can make these really like shady, funny comments without feeling like she's, you know, just like trying too hard to be like, Terrice's little helper. Like, you know. Yeah, definitely shady funny, not shady in a bad way. This episode is brought to you by Prime. Obsession is in session.

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Let's talk about Dallas. Oh, God. So we have the conclusion of the Austin trip. Finally, it feels like we've been on Carrie's birthday trip for a year and a half. I know. I was like, who's had more birthdays, Carrie? you're at Evan. Okay, so we pick up where we left off at the dinner where Tiffany is talking to Brandy and basically saying, you know, I think you're a great mom, a great person, funny, whatever, what do you think about me?

And I mean, Brandy says that she thinks Tiffany is a great person, whatever, she wants to be friends with her. She's kind of saying the right things in response to that. But it's just like after everything that's already gone down, it's a little bit like I don't really want to hear from Brandy right now. Like I feel like the damage is done and they need to just like come back later. Here's the thing like with Brandy. It's always with her. It's like now it's seeming to be too little too late each time. So like the next day like she realizes she was mean.

Like it's like why do you continue acting this way though? I don't, if you have a problem, you need to finally have your sit down and talk with Tiffany. Like, stop lashing. It's not lashing out. I shouldn't say that. Stop acting out and stop talking about all the other girls and like let your feelings out. Have like the actual conversation that needs to be had. But honestly, Tiffany made a great point when she was like, if I'm Asian and that bothers you,

like that's your problem. There's nothing I can do about that. Honestly, I think that's all that needs to be said. Yeah. because, okay, the thing is like, if Brandy doesn't think Tiffany is fun, that's fine. If Brandy thinks Tiffany is boring, that's fine. That's like those are valid ways to feel about a person. But if she, for her to say that she feels uncomfortable around Tiffany or that she feels

like she can't be herself around Tiffany, if she, if that is rooted in some kind of feelings about Tiffany being Asian or about Brandy's, you know, mistakes in the past, the racist video that she made, that has, I mean, that has nothing to do with Tiffany because Brandy and Tiffany have talked about it. And Tiffany, I think, has been, she's been beyond gracious in how she's talked to Brandy about that, saying she doesn't think she's racist. She doesn't think she's a bad person. So I, I like that Tiffany is kind of standing up for herself and saying, like, obviously I want to be, I want to be friends with the group. I want to, you know, have fun with them, whatever. But I'm not going to

pretend that there's that I'm doing something wrong if I'm not. Right. Okay. So they, they jump in the lake. This is something that we know Tiffany doesn't really want to do, but she does it. She's trying to be a good sport. And after that, it's just kind of too much for her. She gets out of the water and kind of like runs away back into the house.

She's really upset. I thought in this situation, everybody going after her and going into her room was like not what she needed in that moment. it's like I understand that you want to that you want her to be okay but it's like she doesn't need Carrie and brandy and Stephanie and Cameron like all coming into her room she's obviously very upset she needs to kind of you know deal with some emotions and being confronted by the whole group even if it comes from you know a place of love I guess isn't yeah the last thing anyone needs is like five women being like are you are you okay are you okay and it like that just makes it worse every single

time. But she did make it clear that like at first when they were actually running into the lake, I was like, oh my God, this looks so fun. Why aren't they taking their clothes off? I'm so confused why they're all jumping in their nice clothes. But anyway, maxi dresses. It's very bizarre. I was like, take your clothes off. What are you doing? So then she even said like the second she hit the water, that's when like, she had a, she's like, I didn't want to jump in the lake. But then she was like, but if I didn't, that would have been another issue, you know? And what I was saying before is it, it's unfortunate that I to get to this point because Brandy made that video that's like resonating inside of her. But other than that happening, it didn't have it.

It's seeming to be a racist issue, which is horrible. But it could also just be that they're just not getting along with the new girl, which we hope that that's what it is. You know what I mean? Like that someone comes in, you haven't met before. But Brandy just keeps bringing up the fact that she's, not comfortable and we don't know why. And like, I think she's not comfortable because of her own actions. Nothing to do with Tiffany, but all to do with what she did. Right. And I think I think

you, you're right that it's like, there are a million and one reasons why Tiffany might not get along with the group. But the one that, you know, the one that seems to be the case with Brandy, why they're not, why Brandy has an issue with her is like the one that's not really acceptable. Right. It sucks that. It sucks that. It sucks. of the Tiffany's dealing with that. I actually liked seeing the scene a little later with Brian talking to Brandy and basically telling her like, you know, you got to get right with yourself and you, you know, all these feelings that you're still feeling about, you know, this video and the backlash and how bad you were feeling like. Put yourself in her shoes. Put your, right. Like it's not, it's not her problem. It's on you to kind of deal with those feelings yourself. Obviously, they're, there's a level of, you know, work and atoning that needs to be done. But in terms of the actual, like, feelings behind it, it's not anybody else's responsibility to make her feel good.

Yeah. I also just, we'll come back because Tiffany has some other meetings this week. But she was, I also want to talk about the scene with Olivia and Stephanie because I thought that was very touching. Like, we all know Stephanie. has been open about her past and, you know, she's had suicidal thoughts and like her mental health issues. And so she talks to Carrie's daughter, Olivia. And I thought that was so nice. And again, with the kids, they're teaching us all these lessons. But for Olivia to hear someone else's

perspective and like what they went through and that it, Stephanie is someone she could talk to if she needs to. Like, feel like that made even Carrie feel good and feel better. That was a really nice moment for sure. And I liked, I liked hearing. I mean, I'm not Carrie's biggest fan by any means, but it was nice. It was great to hear Olivia say that she felt like she could reach out to her mom and that she was supported and her mom found her a therapist. And, you know, she expressed that if she got to that place again in the future, she felt like she could talk to her mom about it or, you know, get help. And so that was great to hear. I mean, it kind of especially resonated after the Megan Markle stuff that happened this week because we know how important it is when you're in that

kind of dark place to feel like you have resources and you have support and, you know, what can happen when you don't feel that way. So it's great to know that Olivia kind of has that. And that was a nice, yeah, like it's weird. It's weird. Like I like Carrie's kids more than I like her. Plan B is a backup birth control option that's there for you when things don't go according to plan. It specifically works after unprotected sex and before pregnancy occurs by temporarily delaying ovulation. Plan B is available nationwide at all major retailers and through delivery apps like DoorDash. No ID, prescription, or age requirement. It's the number one OBGYN recommended brand of emergency contraception,

and it won't impact your future fertility. That's Freedom to Be. Use us directed. We also this week, we see the return of Mama Dee. It's been, it's been a while since we've seen her. And Deandra is talking to her about this situation with Tiffany at the lake. And D basically boils everything down in life to people being jealous. So she's saying, I guess, is she saying that the women are jealous of Tiffany or that Tiffany is jealous of them?

No, because I was clear to me. I think, okay, so it was, but then someone may. made a meme. Like honestly, Instagram like saves lives because I like under like broke it down. Someone was like, she was saying how Tiffany works and like saves lives and

half the other women don't even don't even work. So it was something along those lines were like, right. You have to see what Tiffany, like Tiffany is doing. Right. And everything she needs to do. When you say you're busy and stressed, it's different. Correct. It's interesting. Thinking

about the concept of jealousy, I think I don't know if anyone is really like jealous here. Yeah, I don't think. I do think that the feelings of, you know, it kind of goes both ways. Because a couple episodes ago when we saw on that hike when Stephanie and Cameron were talking to Tiffany, that it's like they're craving something more in their life other than just being, you know, a stay at home mom and housewife. And we see Tiffany or Stephanie with the foundation, Cameron wanting to be involved in her house situation. Which we haven't seen anything of those too. Since that episode.

And then on the flip side, we have Tiffany who is, you know, kind of psyching herself up for this meeting that she wants to work less and she wants to have more time to be with her kids and present for her family. So I think it's interesting. I don't know if Mama Dee is like the most articulate person with this concept, but that everyone kind of is craving something that they don't have in their life currently. And that it's not just like, oh, Tiffany's stuff is more important than there's maybe in a life content. text it is when she's like, you know, helping people get healthy. But in terms of their like day-to-day fulfillment, it's not automatically like, well, Tiffany's job is important. So she feels great. Right. And guys also, Dylan and I interviewed Toya for Married to Medicine yesterday. And we all came to the conclusion that Tiffany should jump ship and move shows. I love. Yeah, we asked her which Bravo

Lab she'd want to join Married to Medicine. And she was like, that doctor in Dallas, like, I don't know what doing with those girls. Well, and then she also said married to medicine Dallas. So I think she also made up her own show, which I'm fine. I think that's fine. Which they did married to medicine Houston at one point. But I don't think I never watched it. But I don't think it really, I don't think it, you know, clicked. Yeah. So, okay, but going back to Tiffany, like I was saying. So she met with Carrie, which I think was great. Carrie's heart was in the right place. And then it stopped for a little because I was like, oh my God, is it like, I'm sorry. Is she like a attack? backing Tiffany, I don't understand. But she was like, you did this. You left early. It was a little much. I thought, okay, was it maybe the best decision for the group for Tiffany to leave without saying goodbye?

Maybe not. But I understood, I understood the reasoning behind it. And for Carrie, I wish that Carrie had been a little more empathetic because when she's saying it was rude, it was disrespectful to leave without saying goodbye. It's like, yeah, but in that moment, like she made a decision that she was. felt she felt like she was backed into a corner and I think it's understandable. Maybe it's not the decision you would have made and maybe even maybe she regrets it, but it's not like, I think it's a little like uncool to be like that was rude and disrespectful when there was clearly a lot of

pain happening. I definitely think the words rude and disrespectful were uncalled for, but I do think that Tiffany, like you should never go anywhere or leave anywhere without telling anybody. So just like go into someone's room and be like, hey, I'm leaving. I'll talk to you later. You know what I mean? Like just some things for safety reasons, you know, but I get it. Or like send a text to the girls just be like, hey, got to go. Totally. But at that point, Tiffany was like, I don't owe these women anything. But I get it. We've all been there where you're like, I need to get the fuck out of here. And like, so she told her husband, she took a bus home. I was like, I would have paid. I'm picturing Tiffany Moon on like a Greyhound

bus. With her heels and her bag. A mega bus. Yes. I was like, what bus? But it seems like her. Carrie were it was a good conversation like it was yeah it ended fine it wasn't like you know I wasn't loving Carrie's energy but it seemed like Tiffany kind of got what she needed from that conversation totally but exactly what was happening at that conversation was why Tiffany let like tip you can tell she felt uncomfortable in that situation she was like sitting there she was in her scrubs she like was like didn't want to be there but you know what we're filming people we're yeah I did like Carrie said she's working on being a little softer and Tiffany's working on being more open

so maybe they can meet in the middle. We'll see how that goes. And the episode finishes off at DeAndra's Medusine Monday. With Darren the Shaman, who's also a hairdresser, who used to do Stephanie's extensions. That was, that reveal was everything.

Because we've seen this guy a few times already this season. He definitely is kind of a, you know, a free speech. an interesting character and to know that he is also like a glam gay of Dallas is very funny to me and he does music yeah he it was who was it that said it was it Tiffany was like I wish I had a shaman do my extensions at the same time like hello first of all also side note Tiffany was serving looks in her confessions this week yeah whoa but yeah this event is it was very weird I don't know if you got this vibe, but Deandra

looking into his eyes, like it's just, it's very she like smile. It's just a fun. We'll see more of it next week. Clearly, they get really into it. Like I see where they're jumping up and down singing. I don't really know. I think Deandra wanted to do this to get them all.

I don't know why. I actually am not even going to make up a reason. Yeah, like we can't explain it. Don't try. I do. I'm still loving Deendra's energy this season. I think she's like very kind of like in a fun quirky place. Yeah. And I'm curious to see how this event goes because it, the episode ends with Brandy asking Tiffany if they can speak one on one. And it seems like maybe that doesn't go great based

on the preview. But you know, we'll see. I do the one thing I will say for Brandy because I think she's really stepped in it this season and how she's kind of dealt with the aftermath of her whole situation. I think I like that she is still kind of like trying. It seems like she isn't just being like whatever. I don't like Tiffany. We're not going to be friends. But I think she's made a lot of missteps in how she's gone about it. And it's, I don't know, she said she's leaving the show. Maybe this is lie. Who knows? This is a lot. I mean, yeah, we'll see. But anyway, this was fun. I can't wait for tomorrow because we're talking about summer. and below deck sailing yacht.

And it's Friday, everything is going to be. And also, like you mentioned, our interview with Toya from Married to Medicine is going to be on tomorrow's episode. So definitely check that out. And if you missed the Married to Medicine season to premiere, highly recommend. We talked about it on Monday's episode. It's going to be a fun season. But in the meantime, don't forget to rate, review, subscribe, follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches and just be cool. Don't be all like uncool.

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