Mention It All - The Summer House Season 8 Report Card

Episode Date: June 14, 2024

Dylan is back for one last Summer House recap this season, breaking down the biggest moments from part two of the reunion. He shares a theory about how the cast may have inspired Sabrina Carpenter’s latest hit, and thanks Andy for his informational contributions to the Carl/Lindsay in the drama. Speaking of Andy, Dylan also breaks down the new development in Leah McSweeney’s lawsuit, and whether her claims against him have gotten stronger or weaker. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All, a Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, both. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer coming to you on a Friday because I could not miss the chance to talk about

part two of the Summer House reunion. This has been a season, a season full of twists and turns and surprises. And I just knew I knew I was going to be mad at myself if I came back on Monday and was like, wow, summer house happened. No time to talk about it. So here we are. I'm recording this a wee bit early, but I have watched part two of the reunion. But we have some other stuff to talk about before we get into that. First of all, I talked a lot about Real Housewives of Dubai on Wednesday's episode this week. And specifically some of the question marks and kind of skepticism I have about some of the stuff that's happening so far on this season. And Caroline Brooks seems to agree with me. something that I was confused about was kind of the level of dislike between Caroline Brooks and Caroline

Stanbury. And somebody on Twitter felt the same way at Vesachia lover. I don't know how to say Twitter handles. But they said, did something happen between the Caroline's off camera that we don't know about? Because there's no way Caroline B is this mad about the Talline and Caroline S situation. I feel like that's essentially what I said the other day. I was like, why does Caroline Brooks care so much about this. So Caroline quote tweeted this and said, she said, you are absolutely right. A lot more happened off camera and a lot more happened on camera. It's a shame you guys don't have context, but I can show you all receipts and walk you through the chain of events so you can understand everything. Happy to. Look, I don't know if I actually need like all the receipts, but I do feel like

this additional context might be helpful. Maybe I'll, maybe I'll get. get to work on procuring some of that. But it just is one of those things where I'm like, I don't know what actually was filmed and what wasn't filmed, but it's like I do feel like we could get just like a scosh more detail there. But maybe it's coming in subsequent episodes and I will sit back and wait and keep watching. Okay. But one other thing to talk about before we get into Summerhouse is Leah McSweeney is still

unhappy with Andy Cohen. I know. Shock of the century. If you recall, she filed a lawsuit against him, among others in, I think, February of this year, basically, you know, calling out all of this stuff that happened while she was on Real Housewives of New York and she had this horrible experience. And there were specific claims in that lawsuit that I've talked about in past episodes about him, you know, offering cocaine to his favorite housewives and XYZ. Basically, that was its own thing. It still is like, I don't know, simmering in court. I feel like lawsuits always take forever. So if that happened in February, we'll probably have updates in like, you know, March of 2026.

But Leah is not done this week on Thursday as I'm recording this. It has come out that she has added additional claims to this lawsuit that she filed in February because she was unhappy with the way in which Andy Cohen responded to her initial lawsuit. So we're not going to go back through like every little minute detail. But essentially, Andy did deny the stuff that she claimed about him in her lawsuit. Bravo also said they did an independent investigation and cleared him of any wrongdoing. So he's, you know, I think fine from a Bravo perspective. But the interesting thing, in addition to denying the claims, his attorneys also wrote a letter in which they claimed that Leah leaked her suit to the press on purpose to come.

to try and get, I don't know, attention, sympathy, whatever. And then they also said that her claims against Andy were libelous and that if she didn't retract them, they would consider suing her. So something that, this is according to page six, I'm reading this article because as I've said, time and time again, over the years, I am not a lawyer. I'm not a legal expert. Page six says, the law explicitly allows anyone to claim anything they want in a court filing, whether it's true, false, malicious, or otherwise, without fear of

being sued for libel. Whether they can prove those claims in court, of course, is another question entirely. So essentially, if this, you know, assuming this is true, I think, you know, page six usually they're not like making things up when it comes to the law. Leah, Leah can say whatever she wants in the lawsuit. And because there's then a due process of law, and it's up to Andy to like, you know, it's up to her to prove those things. It's up to Andy to defend himself, whatever. But like, he can't just say she said that in a lawsuit, so I'm going to sue her. So a little bit weird response on his part initially, I guess. But now that is being used by Leah to add to this to her lawsuit, saying that his response was malicious and it was meant to intimidate her and discourage other people

in the Bravo sphere from trying to file the same type of lawsuit. And then also claims that not only was he trying to intimidate her to, I don't know, revoke her lawsuit or whatever, but that he was trying to damage her reputation and essentially prevent her from being able to work in the entertainment industry. This is, it's interesting that this is like, you know, another layer being added on the cake of this lawsuit because I kind of feel like, at least from what we talked about when this lawsuit was filed and the kind of response around it, it's like, I don't actually, I don't know kind of what the end game is here for Leah. I mean, I suppose there's a world in which this progresses to a point where Andy decides to settle and pay her some amount of money. I really can't see this going to like a trial that just seems so dramatic. But I do wonder if maybe Andy and his legal team kind of fumbled the bag a little bit with this response to the initial lawsuit. because it does sound like what they said and kind of threatened to sue her for her claims

was a little bit outside the lines of how lawsuits actually work. And so maybe now she has a better case than she did before, where she can say, hey, maybe I wouldn't have won on these, you know, cocaine andy claims, but maybe I can get myself a little bit of change because I can prove that he tried to intimidate me or I can prove that he tried to sully my reputation. And again, I don't know how the court system works. I'm fortunate enough to never have been sued. So everything I say is always alleged, as you should know by now.

But I don't know. I mean, Andy seems to be pretty comfortable these days. I don't think that there's a whole lot of like controversy around him in his day-to-day life. I think that this Leah stuff and the brandy stuff is kind of outside of his orbit in a way. Like I just don't think it's really like penetrating into his everyday, uh, his everyday, you know, considerations. But it is, it's interesting to note that this is not going away, even if we're not hearing about it all the time. And I don't know. I don't think we have any sort of knowledge yet about when this is going to progress, when there are going to be hearings,

anything like that. So I don't know. We'll, we'll see where that goes. Obviously, I'll keep you posted if there are more updates. But in the meantime, best of luck to Leah. I hope you're doing well. and I hope you have something else to occupy your time than just being mad at Andy because that sounds exhausting. Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress.

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doing this shit for a long time. I've said a lot of shit. I don't remember what I said yesterday. I don't remember what I said five minutes ago. How long have I been recording? I had no idea. Summerhouse is not one of my favorite. Bravo shows. And I know, I know, I know people, people get so offended. People are like,

but it's, but they're, but, but all the, and it's like, I know, I don't think it's bad. I don't think it's unwatchable. Clearly, I've watched it all. Is that my job? Yes. But do I, do I dread watching Summerhouse every year when it comes back? No, I think it's fine. personally it has just never been a show that really like sparks joy for me in the way that like a crisp new 42 minute episode of let's say real houseways of Miami when that appears in my inbox or in my peacock continue watching cue i'm like yes we made it it's like it's like that when when someone in like a Coke commercial takes a sip and it's just like that like like that's to me a new episode of my favorite Bravo show and Summerhouse I think is just like it's a little more

up and down for me and by up and down I actually mean that it's a little bit more um it's like at a plateau but like a little bit lower of a plateau like not the not like a super high mountain that has like a flat top it's like a mid tier prairie but I think that this is that this is a little bit This season has actually been maybe the season that I have enjoyed watching the most. And I think part of that is to do with the overall lack of toxicity within the house, which, you know, then falls apart when you're like, but Amanda Kyle, but let's go Carl. But just like the overall vibe of the house, I think we can agree was like a little bit more calm and positive this season with some specific exceptions. But I also think knowing that the Lindsay and Carl breakup was hovering at the end of the season,

it really made every kind of interaction and argument and disagreement and moment that they had together over the course of the season. Everything felt like it mattered a little bit more. It felt like we were getting sort of like a clue that was going to unlock some future thing. and we were sort of waiting for the shoe to drop and what was wild about watching this season is that it felt like the shoe dropped in like episode two. But then it was like, oh, how many,

is this like an octopus situation? How many shoes are there? Because it was just like episode after episode. It was like, Co-King-Carle, get a job, be more tender, conversation with Lou. Like, there were just so many things. And so I think this season felt like it had sort of like

a story engine in a way that I think, I think Summerhouse often lacks because even if there's, you know, there have been seasons where it's like, oh, Kyle and Amanda's wedding is at the end. Or Lindsay and Carl are going to get engaged. And it's like, okay, those are like fun life milestones, but I'm not, Lindsay and Carl getting engaged is not like an iconic Bravo scene. Like, it's a nice moment. And it makes sense that they film it. But having more of like something looming on the horizon this year, I think really benefited the show. And when I think about going into next season, I'm like, I don't know how you replicate that. Because, I mean, there isn't any way to replicate that unless Kyle and Amanda file for divorce at the end of this summer. And then we watch next season knowing that that's going to happen. Like, that's the only thing I can think of maybe like a page and Craig.

But like, I don't want to wish for these people to break up. If you do, that's okay. It's not my journey to wish people to break up. But yeah, so I just, I do feel like this season might kind of be a one-time deal for Summerhouse where there is kind of this larger watershed moment that we know about, but we don't know all the details of coming at the end. But I'm happy to soak it up while it's here.

I have really enjoyed this season. And I thought that this reunion was pretty damn strong. because even after part one, I was kind of like, okay, like I feel like we, we kind of talked about the West and Sierra thing. We got, we already got into Lindsay and Carl a little bit because they can't help themselves. So like how much more territory is there really to cover? And I felt like there was plenty to get into in part two of this reunion. I have a lot of notes. I, I actually, I got home last night.

on Wednesday night, and I was like, okay, I need to at least start this episode of Summerhouse because I didn't want to have to like, you know, cram it in the morning, whatever. So I was like, I was like, okay, I'm going to watch at least half of the episode. I'm going to make myself watch half of the episode. And then if I want to go to bed, that's fine. I can finish in the morning. I watched the whole episode. I don't think I looked at the time once. I was just click, clacking on my notes. I was, I was enjoying. I was rewinding when I missed something. It was. It was, it felt like a really solid hour, 42 minutes of television. And I think that this is another example of a show that did a two-part reunion that was

the exact right choice. Because so many times we see the three-part reunions where it's like they're, they maybe have like 1.75 parts worth of material. And they're like, okay, so now let's ask. let's do a segment about Gabby. What do you have going on? It's like, Gabby doesn't have a lot going on, and that's okay.

Do we need to do a whole segment about her on the reunion? Probably not this season. Maybe next season she'll have a big old storyline, and then she can have a whole segment at the reunion. I liked that when I saw this episode, it was like, oh, wow, we only have 10 minutes left. It feels like we have a lot to get to. Normalize that feeling in a reunion.

Normalize feeling like we are packed, in all of the topics and not like we are stretching for three hours of content. If I could just, you know, if anyone's listening. I don't know. I guess people could be listening. Do people listen? It's like, is Andy listening? Hi, Andy.

Andy doesn't listen to the shit. I'm like, Andy, like, throw us a like on Instagram every once in on. He's not listening. Whatever. If you know, I don't know, whatever. So we start off. We're still talking about West and Sierra. I mean, the vibes are in the toilet.

It's tough. I mean, Sierra has, like, freshly patted her tears away. Andy's like, West, what's your biggest regret in this whole situation? And he kind of doesn't say that he has one. He's like, well, you know, as much as Sierra might regret this whole relationship, I don't regret it. And it's like, I don't think that was the question. Andy didn't say like do you regret ever talking to Sierra he's like which actions of yours do you regret and he's like now I'm good he does he apologizes for hurting her he says he doesn't love hearing that she

feels like she got got um and that he expressed his feelings too late which is his fault and I'm like expressed which feelings like you expressed the feelings that you wanted to be single when the show came out too late? Or you, like, had more feelings for Sierra that you wish you would have said earlier, so then you could have, I don't know, like, locked it down before the fall. It was just a little, like, still, I mean, again, obviously, this was all filmed in one go. So it's not shocking that he didn't, like, get his shit together from part one to part two. But it just is like, man, it's just annoying. Sierra's like, it's fine. I'm good. She says she still has feelings, but it would take a world of change from him for her to give him another chance.

And I love that she says this. And it's like, I feel like the only reason that she says it in a way that sort of leaves the door open is because it would feel like, it would feel, I don't know, it just, I think it would feel really intense to be like, no, fuck him forever. Because she still has feelings for him. But meanwhile, Jesse over on the couch, like, hey, hey, so you're saying there's a And it's like, sir, we just asked you to sit down. Like, come on.

Do less. But I was thinking this situation. I don't know if I'm sure I'm not alone in this. The last week, there has been nothing stuck in my head more than this Sabrina Carpenter song. Please, please, please. And I really feel I was looking at the lyrics. I'm like, I really feel like Sabrina wrote this song from the perspective of Sierra. about West.

If you're not aware, like, just set the scene. Sabrina Carpenter, cute and blonde, co-written by Jack Antonoff. Please, please, please, please don't prove I'm right. And please, please, please, don't bring me to tears when I just did my makeup so nice. Heartbreak is one thing, my ego's another. I beg you.

Don't embarrass me, motherfucker. Is that not like the ballot of Sierra at this reunion? Don't bring her to tears when she just did her makeup so nice. She's sitting over there looking flawless. And West is in his like big flowy suit. And Sierra's crying. And it's like, you did this. Don't embarrass her motherfucker.

her. Wow. Sabrina Carpenter is so powerful. What can't she do? I mean, it's tough. The West thing is tough because it's like, I don't think he's like the world's worst person. I don't hate him. I don't hope he's not on the show again. Like, I hope they bring him back. It just is, it really is frustrating the way he like fully whiffed on this situation. It's like, God damn it. Whatever. I hope that West and Jesse do some sort of like reality TV sensitivity training for next season because I do think they have a lot of potential. It's just like we got to figure this shit out.

West is on like Nick Fihal's podcast this week. I'm like, give it a breast. West should be like getting off of social media for the next month. If they're going to start filming for Fourth of July, I don't want to hear from you. I don't want to see your little grabbing a bagel at the deli story. Go away. Think about what you did. Sit in the corner. Take a little time out. Come back for next season. Figure your shit out. That's what I have to say to West.

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okay, so what do you guys like about each other? Or I guess he says love. It's like nice than that. Their answers to me are so funny and so telling in a way that's just like, God, there's really no other couple like them because Amanda says that the shit, the same thing she loves about Kyle is the thing that she hates, which is how social and outgoing he is. And it's like, right, okay, so you like that he's like a fun loving guy, but then when that manifests itself as him blacking out and not answering his phone and staying out till 3 a.m., it's not so fun. And I do just kind of feel like at this point, we've been together how many years? You're how old?

In your 40s. Like, maybe being social and outgoing should then evolve at a certain point to being like the fun-loving dad who wants to grill a bunch of burgers, but like maybe not go on a bender every second weekend. I don't know. But then he said the thing that he loves about Amanda is that so when they first met, she's nine years younger than him. And when they first met, he couldn't believe how mature she was and how she makes him a better person.

And she gives him so much and so whatever. And it's like, I just feel, and I'm not even, I'm not like a Kaimanda truther. Like, I'm not on the train of like, get divorced now, never should have been together. I just feel like inherently, it gives red flag to me when it's, It's like, okay, what does she love about him? She loves that he's so fun. What does he love about her? She makes me a better woman every day.

A better man. Sorry. Like, I just love her so much and she's so mature. And I'm such a dummy baby. And she just, she gets me in line. It's like, that doesn't sound like a sustainable dynamic because it's like, okay, so what is she getting out of that? She's like making you a better person every day and you're like getting drunk.

Is that what you're bringing? to the table? I don't know. I just don't know about that. It's like when men will be like, oh yeah, like I, as a husband to a woman, of course I respect women. It's like, maybe just like respect women. I don't know. The real meat of this episode, though, of course, is all of the Lindsay and Carl stuff because we get more directly into it than we did in part one. And there's, there's a lot to unpack here. Some of it's a little more interesting than others. I feel like some of the like granular details. I don't actually like, I don't need to know about like every argument they had over the summer. But I do think it's interesting. So they're talking about what happened on

the first night of the summer. And this is, Lindsay says that she felt like Carl was dismissive of her feelings because they were out at this club. And then. And when they left to come back to the house, Lindsay sort of happened to end up in the lift with the boys and not the lift with the girls. And she was stressed about this already existing idea that she's like not a girl's girl. And she says that Carl was dismissive of her feelings. And interestingly, Carl kind of takes the backseat responding to a lot of this stuff because Kyle is like a, a. fighting dog trying to get loose from its leash. He's like, Lindsay, let me just stop you right there. It's because you were delusional. It was all in your head. If all your fights were like

this, then I get why they spiral. And it's because of your delusion. And there's a history of you drinking and spiraling and making it worse and getting irate. And I mean, like, Carl and Kyle obviously go back a long way. They have a valuable friendship. But I really wasn't anticipating that Kyle was going to come into this conversation. So I think amped to use his word and like really kind of going after Lindsay in a way that Carl clearly has no real interest in doing. And I don't know if this was, I mean, maybe this was something that Carl and Kyle talked about before the reunion.

I could see a world in which Carl is like anything I say negative to her is going to make people mad at me and Kyle's like, dude, I got it. You can just sit back, answer the questions quickly, and then if Lindsay starts talking crazy, I'll just, but I don't know. I just like, the energy from Kyle just caught me off guard. And I don't, I don't know if everybody else feels that way, but I was like, interesting. I don't hate it, but also I'm like, it's a lot. The Co-King-Carl thing is tough. I'm glad we talked about that. He did not know that she called him Co King Carl until the show aired, which obviously I'm sure was hurtful to him. Lindsay does apologize for questioning his sobriety, but says that it wasn't wrong for her

to question his behavior because he was being, again, aggressive and dismissive. Kyle's going hard on her, again, telling her it was delusional. I do feel like Lindsay, I wish she would have kind of gone with like the full stop apology there because I think there are, you're looking at the course of the season, the course of the relationship, whatever, there are plenty of situations that Lindsay can like take a W. I'm like, you can just take the L on accusing him of not being sober. Like, we don't have to, we don't have to get back into the reasons there. Like, that was just like not Lindsay's finest hour.

And I think, I think we should all be able to agree on that. And it kind of feels like Lindsay's the only one who like has deeper feelings about that. And it's like, no, no, no. just that one wasn't good. I also thought it was really interesting for Carl to talk about kind of the baggage that he feels like he brings when he meets people and kind of feeling like insecurity about his sobriety and kind of like that there is all of this like that when you meet someone and they tell you you're sober, it's like then there's all this stuff that comes along with it. And I thought it was really nice to see a lot of the cast to be like, you put yourself down like that. And I don't think that that's good. I don't think that that's accurate even.

And like, just live in your truth. You're on your own journey. You're doing, he's done such a great job with that part of his life and that part of his growth. That it's like, if anything, you've got other stuff to work on. But like, don't worry about, you know, people feeling insecure about your sobriety. Then we get into the business idea stuff and all of the job, the job things. This is interesting. Lindsay, Lindsay says that she doesn't feel like she has.

actually was shooting down all of his business ideas. I think maybe that's a little bit of a role footage moment because we did watch the whole season. But Andy then says, just to break the fourth wall here, you both make the same amount on the show. And they're like, uh-huh. And Amanda's, Amanda, under her breath, I love Amanda's like, she's like the voice of the viewer in a way. She's like, and it's a lot of money. I was like, yeah, like, there are what, eight, nine seasons into this show. They make a lot of money. And then what's so interesting is that she, Lindsay kind of like won't accept that both of their career might just be influencer. Because she keeps pushing back on the idea that he is an influencer, that he does brand deals.

And on the show, what Carl said was that up till that point in the year, she had made like, I think, $150,000 doing influencer stuff. And he had made like 70. And the thing is, 70 is not 150, but it's also really not zero. And if you add that to what they make on the show, maybe Lindsay wasn't satisfied with the amount of money he was making, but that's a different question than like, are you making any money? Are you doing anything?

Do you have any type of job? And so I do feel like this is a situation where I don't think Lindsay and Carl communicated well about this, really at all this season, but I do think that there was like a little bit of a disconnect where I think Lindsay maybe couldn't quite be honest with how she felt about just like not wanting her boyfriend to just be an influencer. Which like that's okay. You're allowed to, you're allowed to know what you want and you're allowed to say that. But I think that it kind of felt like she was putting up a little bit of a double standard when it was like, no, my job is being an influencer.

But that's not a job for you. Whatever. I mean, she's crushing it with like the cheese of it all. So I'm not, I'm not here to shit on being an influencer. It's just, it's a little interesting. Then we get into the breakup convo. I mean, it's tough. There's no real way to win this conversation because it's like, Lindsay,

whatever the word blindsided means to her, that's the word she's going with. She's not going to ever admit that she was not blindsided. And in a way, sure, if you have a certain definition of blindsided, she was blindsided. But then Carl also is never going to be like, Yeah, you're right. It was so disrespectful of me to go into this conversation with whatever. Really, the biggest piece of information that we get here is from Andy. And I love that Andy was kind of like in the mood to break the fourth wall a little bit because I think we needed it. So Andy straight up dispels the notion that Carl called the cameras for this scene because he wanted to break up with Lindsay on camera. Andy says, he's like, I know how these shows work. I have enough, you know, I asked because I was

curious, because Andy, remember, is not a producer on Summer House. He's only a producer on the Housewives shows. But he specifically said that production decides what they want to film. And because the last weekend in the house, Carl and Lindsay left off in such a question mark kind of place that production wanted to film a follow-up scene. They wanted, they filmed the scene with Carl and Kyle. They filmed the scene with Carl and Lindsay, and that maybe Carl was communicating with production in those scenes kind of being set up, but it was not Carl calling production out of the blue and being like, hey, get here at two. I'm going to dump Lindsay. And I think that Lindsay's feelings, like I've said, are valid. And I obviously now they seem both to be in a better

place. But like, having that kind of factual timeline of the way that this transpired, I think is so helpful because there was a lot of narrative being spun out in the press after this happened in real time. There was a lot going on. And that's part of what Kyle says made him so amped, again, his word, is that he didn't like the way things were handled in the press because he felt like basically Lindsay was, I don't know, slandering Carl and that she was kind of getting her narrative out that wasn't accurate. Again, we're never going to have 100% agreement, clarity, whatever, on everything that ever happened here.

But I do think that that was a really helpful thing to get out of the end of this reunion. And I think it kind of lets us feel like we're leaving with a little bit more of an understanding of how things happened. Lindsay admits that Carl made the best decision for her. She still doesn't agree with the way he did it. But, you know, that's where we leave off. It's not going to be clean. But they do ask about, Andy asks about whether this group can kind of exist in the

summer house again together. And it's like, I feel like we get a very kind of like, yeah, why not? And it's like, well, I can think of like a few reasons. But I don't know. Hopefully we'll have more clarity soon on how they're going to move forward. I know Bravo has been in an interesting. a trend lately of announcing casts for shows as they start filming. We got that for, we got that for Atlanta that's filming right now. We got that for Beverly Hills.

They've been kind of like giving us the details because obviously everybody is on social media. Everybody sees them out filming in public. So we'll know more soon. But I, overall, 10 out of 10 reunion, maybe 9 out of 10 season. Like I said, Summerhouse. It's just not, it's not my comfort show. But a great season. Congrats to them all. Congrats and congrats to you guys for making it through. Everybody, have a great weekend. We'll be back next week with more great brand-load content. In the meantime, you can rate review and follow the show wherever you listen. Follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mentioned at all is produced by Dylan Hafer, Sean Kilby, Jorge Morales Pico, and Rebecca Sous McCatt.

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