Mention It All - The Thirst Book (RHOA, RHOP Reunion)

Episode Date: December 21, 2020

Dylan and Bari begin the episode by discussing Erika’s Friday night sneak attack. They share their thoughts on Mr. Girardi’s alleged affair, and what the texts actually mean. Then, they recap this week’s RHOA, which featured another new face, more marital drama for Drew, and a wedding planning meltdown from Cynthia. Finally, they get into part two of the RHOP reunion, and unpack why they still can’t get behind Candiace or Monique. Headspace: You deserve to feel happier, and Headspace is meditation made simple.. Go to HEADSPACE.COM/BETCHES for a free one-month trial. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And Barry Rosenfeld. I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to sleep, we. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. And I am Barry Rosenfeld. We are back for another week.

We, a lot happened in the Bravo world over the weekend. because Friday night, around 1130 Eastern Time, Miss Erica Jane posted these 2,000-something screenshots on her Instagram and said, these are texts from Justice Trisha A. Bigelow, who's fucking my husband, Tom Girardi, and paying for her sex bill and her plastic surgery. And she deleted the post after around 30 minutes. And it was not before the entire internet had time to screenshot them. She dropped a bomb and then she tried to like undrop the bomb and the bomb had already gone off.

Right. I woke up that more the next morning and I was like what the hell? You know when you're like younger and you like wake up and you thought you missed something? I was like, what time did this happen? I saw your post and it was like eight hours ago. And I was like, wait. So I was sleeping at like a normal time. So I actually, I had been.

I was like about to go to sleep like getting in bed whatever it was like 11 45 or something and one of my group chats went off and somebody just said like ohmg Erica and I was like what like I literally I like jolted and it was one of those moments where like your your like hands are moving faster than your brains from like I have to screenshot this I have to make it a post I have to post it I have to you know like actually read what it says like there was so much going on and then so I was automatically awake for like another hour just automatically because it was like an adrenaline rush like I know it's so crazy to think about people are like reaching out they're asking like what what is happening this is like a movie plot and to be honest like I feel like there's a lot of ways this this is

going and we don't know if it's to cover up something else if more or worse coming out to like change the plot of the original movie line like I don't know I'm going to assume if you're listening to you probably have seen the screenshots and know like a little bit at least about what's going on with Tom and Erica. I have some videos explaining some stuff saved in a highlight on the Bravo Bay Betches Instagram account if you want a little more context. But my personal opinion is that I think it is incredibly unlikely that Erica would just now be finding out in the last couple months that Tom had an affair. 100%. That's been something that has been pretty publicly talked about online for years. People have seen Tom out with other women. Like people for years have assumed that they had some kind of arrangement. So the idea that Erica would have like found out and immediately filed for divorce because she's like so horrified.

It seems I would say that is like hard for me to believe. Yeah. Which then obviously when you have all the legal shit that. they're going through, it makes it seem, it doesn't seem unlikely that this could be kind of a deflection, distraction, you know, take the attention away from what's going on in court. Because let's face it, things are not going well for them. Their assets were frozen last week. There's some bankruptcy shit going on. It's not looking good for Tom. And by extension, and it's not looking good for Erica. And I don't think the divorce really has that much to do with whether he was paying for some woman's sex bill.

Right. Well, I'm pretty upset that this happens every time I go on a rant about my favorite housewife. Like, this is a lot. And now I still feel the way I feel about Erica from the past. But this is getting kind of ugly. And we shall see what the new season looks like because.

This is harder for you than it is for me. I'm like, whatever. Yes. Yeah. I mean, it's just like, don't let me down. This is crazy. And like for her to go to that level. And also I saw one of the comments I was dying on our on our bravos post is that someone was like, what are those phone? Is that from the Nelly music video from Dilemma? And I was like, no, because that was an Excel spreadsheet in that video. Kelly is texting on a Nokia phone. And it is the screen is literally an Excel spreadsheet. I, Yeah, I mean, it's just the fact that we're posting receipts and screenshots of texts from likely 2011 is just wild. It's a deflection. Every way you look at it. It's crazy. We, I'm sure we will get more updates on what's going on with Tom and Erica.

There are, I can't look. I can't remember his name right now, but there's a guy on Twitter who's like a legal analyst or something and he's been like live tweeting every one of these court proceedings. I think his name is Ronald. So if you if you want to go find that, that is like a very thorough run down. But we will will update on like major points as they happen. Right. And so so today we're talking about real houses of Atlanta and real house of Potomac. But I also am so tired because the Giants also played the late game last night.

And I had I had a really long night. But anyway, and they lost. Again with the sports. You're like I like now. I feel like football and. the challenge are like getting in the way of your Bravo priorities. But I'm still here for you guys. I'm still here. Okay. So we had Atlanta and Potomac last night, like you said. We are in week three of Atlanta now and still things feel like a little unsettled

to me. We start off the episode with Portia getting arrested again in Louisville. Obviously great stuff that she's doing. It's super important. I'm glad they're still showing it on the show. But because of this, Portia has not really been around with the rest of the cast. And it's weird. This episode, we get our, we get our first group scene with Portia, but she's not with any of the other housewives. And this is just so strange to me. So she and Lauren go pick up Tanya and then they go go over to Fallon's house. Fallon is totally new to us. She's just kind of like plopped in. She's. He's hot, though.

He's very hot. And I'm a little confused. I hope everything comes together and this season is great. I'm a little confused at kind of like how they're laying things out for us. Because it's like, we've never met Fallon. We've never even heard of Fallon. And all of a sudden she's like hosting a group gathering and only one housewife is there. And it's like, why is like why are we here?

Yeah. It looked like a really fun day though, to be honest. They, they were having fun swimming, drinking, hookah. and her husband was just sitting like playing lifeguard like watching them as they like I know it was they like her like old man husband at the other end of the pool yeah I was like wait he's here that's so bizarre but and their house is beautiful and I was like are we going to see is this one of those scenes where we're going to see more of Fallon or this is like a one time fish from what I heard during filming we definitely will see more of her I think I'm not surprised she was she was kind of like a friend they brought in

halfway through filming. And as we know, they cut a lot of stuff from the early part of filming. So I think, yeah, I think she'll be around. I don't know specifics. But I just want to see Portia. I want to see like Porsche and Candy and Cynthia and Kenya together. I want to see like the group, you know. Imagine their only time of them being together is at Cynthia's wedding, which is not being shown. No, I refuse. I believe that it'll happen. I think truly with Portia, traveling to Louisville and getting arrested and like that kind of stuff. I imagine that she just was not around for a lot of the summer, but we'll see. Girl, winter is so last season.

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It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. So we have another scene of Kenya and Latoya together at Kenya's house. And their energy together is giving me a headache. Wait, so I have to say that that was the first scene of the episode, aka so my dad, I was sitting with my dad while I turned it on. turn it off. Dude, verbatim. He was like, turn this off because it felt very bizarre. I was even,

I was like, this is, okay, it's like one thing to watch housewise, but it, it was very weird. And I was like, didn't want him to think I was watching something like weird. I don't know. They literally, okay, they have this energy with each other where it's like you, when you and your best friend from camp who don't see each other normally, it's like when you meet up for like your winter reunion and you haven't seen each other in five months and you're like freaking out and screaming and doing all your inside jokes and all of that like it feels like that but they're older but they're older they're older and they met each other like two weeks ago and they aren't actually like they don't know each other that well they're it seemed like flirting which is fine it's absolutely

fine but it just came at us very quick it was it also obviously the we know the cameras were there, but it felt so, like, performative in a way that it's like, why are you being so, like, loud? They were, like, complimenting their outfits and taking shots. Oh, my God. We're taking a shot. Oh, my God. And I was like, like, Kenya's like, like, I feel like Kenya just hasn't, she hasn't had a friend

like this on the show for a while. True. So it's like fun for her, I guess, to have someone to kind of like play with. Right. Then La Toyo was taking pictures for. updating app and she happened to have a professional camera, which I don't know that might have been Kenyos, but then it's like she was just taking them of her ass and like in her kitchen. I was like, this is all. So like they're not even drunk yet. So. Yeah. So Latoya has a background as

like a YouTuber and blogger. So I think the camera makes some sense. Um, but brought it with her. She, yeah, I guess. I don't know. What's weird to me is that they're sitting in the living room and they are just going in on Drew and they're talking they're like going on and on and on about her wig and they're calling it a pet and Drew Weisha and it's just like I think it would be funny if it was like one or two little comments but it's like they're coming across like they're obsessed with this woman and to be honest I can't believe production even did that where they went to another and they were and they like assured us they did an arrow and they were like pet cat to her wig and I was like that's like not funny also.

It's just rude. Yeah. That's, it's rude. And also, Drew hasn't done anything yet. It'd be one thing if she was like the villain. She's been on the show one week.

We haven't seen her do anything. I think in general, that's kind of something that I, I have enjoyed the three episodes, but I think I'm a little bit confused or like not on board with like how quickly it seems like they're kind of throwing us into the deep end with these like women that we don't really know. And it's like, I want to get to know Latoya, but I feel like all we're getting so far is like her like giggling with Kenya and like being mean. Right. So another thing I

want to talk about, which I don't want to talk about already is I'm really sick of Drew and Ralph fighting. It's actually annoying. And we didn't get a great first impression of him as it is. So for each scene for them to be arguing is, is a lot to handle. Yeah. So we have Pastor Jeanette who has written a sermon that I would say is a little bit pointed at Ralph. And to be honest, I think he deserves it. He doesn't take it well. But then the scene later in the episode, so there's a couple things.

So they're buying a house together. and it is, they are buying it together, but he is saying that so far it's still his house because they haven't, you know, done the rest of the paperwork together yet. And she's asked, all she's asking is like, hey, can you please just like involve me in this process? Don't keep saying my house, my house,

like we're doing this together. And he seems so, I don't know if he's resentful or if he feels threatened or if he's just an asshole. Like he seems so he seems just like so unsupportive and un just I don't know like he he just has a bad energy. And then in the car when they're going to they're going to see a counselor and he's like, oh, like have you already talked to her? And she's like, well, yeah, like I set up the appointment. And he's like, oh, so she's already biased. Like you're already telling her what's wrong with Ralph.

It's like he is doing everything he can to be. dick. Right. There's also a small detail I want to talk about because I was very confused at the pancakes Drew was making. I don't know if you noticed this, but they seemed very like not cooked. And I was just yeah, yes. I was like, maybe they're gluten free. Maybe there's something irrelevant. I just needed to point that out that like I, if anybody, it's. It should not be like off white. They were, yeah, they were, they had to be in a certain kind. But I just want to point that out if anyone else noticed that. But anyway, back to Ralph, he, he's always, he seems to always be like laughing as well, like everything that they're joking or fighting about is a joke. And he's not taking it

seriously. And it's like, I don't know, maybe he's new to this whole TV show thing. But like, yeah, the fact that we've only seen two episodes with them and already we've had conversations about real issues. Like the buying the house is such a major thing, going to counseling. last week the whole debate about when he disappeared for three days and didn't seem to think that was a problem at all. It's not like, oh, Drew is like mad that he left the food out on the counter. And he's like, it's not that big of a deal. It's like they're arguing, they're going through like real issues.

And he seems just totally uninterested in taking it seriously. And I. Because all Drew wanted to say, want was asking was, can I tell people yet? Like, can I tell people that we have a house? And he was like, no. No, you can't tell people that. I mean, he just has like such a bad vibe every time he's on screen. And judging from social media, they're still together.

So it's not like we're getting a divorce storyline right away. But I don't know. Well, I don't see good things in the future for them. But we'll see. I don't know. We have to talk about Cynthia. What a fucking mess. She, so Cynthia this whole time has been saying, you know,

She wants to have her 10, 10, 20. That's her date, her perfect date. She wants the wedding. Obviously, of course, great. But then we know that there's a pandemic. So she's saying that she wants the date, but she also wants all the people and the big perfect wedding. But then she's saying, oh, well, if we can't have the big perfect wedding,

then I don't, then I just want the date. But also I don't care about the date. I just want. She cannot get her story. straight about what she actually cares about. And the issue is that she wants everything and she doesn't actually care that much about the pandemic. Right. So she won't say it. You need a flow chart to have followed this conversation between her and Mike. And that is you hit the nail. Like that's it. It was it's, it's also awkward because it's not her they're her first wedding. So we have seen this in housewives before

where they do like to go all out because they know this is it. This is their true love, whatever. But it is kind of crazy that even when they were at the venue, Mike is the one who is like, okay, and what are your COVID restrictions? You know, like he, she, and we love Cynthia, but she really is like thinking of the wrong things right now. And even in the car, like that conversation they had, I told Dylan, I was like, this is so juvenile. It's like not something that adults, grown adults who have been married before should be

arguing about. It's really a lot. Yeah. And the thing is, it's not just like, I don't think anybody, you know, we've all, you know, made sacrifices this year, had to rethink things. Nobody is like, nobody is begrudging her that it's tough to have to plan a wedding during this time. But the thing is, the vast majority of people have made sacrifices and have whatever. And it's clear that Cynthia, like, as much as she says, I don't need the perfect wedding or I don't need the date, she clearly isn't actually really. willing to compromise on anything. She's willing, you know, for people to wear face shields or have

sanitizer stations or whatever, but she's not, she had her 250 person wedding in the middle of the pandemic. Like, it's not, it's not like there's going to be some, you know, come to Jesus moment where she realizes that it can't actually happen because we know that it did. Right. Exactly. But I want to know what happens with their, with, with the two of them. Like, how did that happen? Like, who, who gave up what for this actual wedding to happen because we see them arguing about it, but it occurred. So who won? Cynthia? Yeah, I would love to know the actual timeline because this is clearly happening sometime over the summer. And she's still saying, you know, when he asks her point blank, are we getting married on 10, 10, 10, 20? She says, I don't know. Clearly they did. So I'm curious. Yeah, I will be

interested to see like how it ultimately goes down in terms of like, yep, this is what's happening. And I did appreciate when she was at Candy's compound, I didn't even realize they had that whole like backyard basketball court space. That's beautiful. When she was there with Candy and Cynthia or in Candy and Kenya, both of them were kind of like, I mean, 250 people in a pandemic. I love when friends call out friends. Yeah, I mean, Kenya is not always the voice of reason. But in that moment, I was. like, go ahead, girl, like, let her know. Yeah, it's, it's tough, but I mean, whatever, it is what it is. But Cynthia really is not, I would say not super likable at the moment. But I, you know, I want her to be happy and everything. But it's like, it is a pandemic. Right, right.

So moving on to Potomac, we have part two of the reunion, which I can honestly say this is like an actual movie to me and I'm just like this was the sequel and then next week which is 90 minutes is the finale but we start off with jazelle and I'm sorry like she is still shaking it's awkward I wanted to move on from that as fast as I could because I really I can't it's I don't it's not good not good well I think it would be it would be crazy to think that she is not affected by everything that Monique has thrown at her but clearly she made a decision that she wasn't going to kind of let herself crack in that moment. She wasn't going to be crying.

She wasn't going to be like, how could you say all these terrible things? Like she clearly decided that she was going to, you know, keep it strong. Keep it stoic, I would say. And to be honest, I think, I mean, whatever, getting the receipts and everything is very interesting. But because Giselle was so, I think, unresponsive. it kind of, it made it fall a little flat to me. It was like, okay, like if we're not going to get some big explosion moment, I'm ready to

move on. I don't need to see more of this. Right. But not only did she not explode, which is fine because she didn't have a like to stand on with that. The way she dismissed it wasn't good enough for me. I'm sorry. She kind of just brushed it off as opposed to like if it were me in that position, I would have

given like attitude. I don't know. There was no attitude. Yeah. There was nothing. I agree with you. I think it's hard because if she knows that all of that stuff is true, but she's not really willing to unpack that,

then it's like, what do you say? Because you're not going to, she's not going to call her a liar if she knows it's true. She's not going to, she's not going to like say that she and Jamal are so in love if they're actually not. So I feel like all she can really say is like,

I'm good with my relationship. Thanks. Next question, Andy. And at the end of the day, I think like, I wish we would have gotten a little more out of her, but it was, it was time to move on. And we move. We take our lunch break so early.

I'm like, how is it the beginning of part two? And we have a 90 minute part three. And we're already halfway through the day. You know the end of the day must be fucking dramatic. Well, she said to Robin, she was like, oh, and she has a binder. Like she didn't have a good comeback like behind the scenes. At that point, I was like, we have to be done with this conversation. Like it's she had nothing to say.

I have to say I, I really enjoyed Candice calling the binder the thirst book. Okay. I thought that was so good. I did think that was good. However, I kind of just want to get to the argument already. I do have to say she needs to stop with the comments in between every, in between every sentence and every time someone said something like,

Candice, enough. Stop. Stop with your comments. Actually, I think a. lot of them are doing it like I think we're getting that a lot from candace obviously kind of a lot from Wendy a lot from Monique like everybody has their little like thoughts that they're sharing and I don't know I don't know if it's just a way that they edited the audio kind of I don't know if this is normal for a reunion or and they're just including it more in the kind of edit um but yeah it does feel like

we're getting a lot of little asides from people yeah I I we have to talk about Ashley and Michael though for a second because that's she even said to Andy I don't find it that I'm defending my husband well then what are you doing Ashley because that seems like a defense mechanism to me it's yeah the thing is like there she might not feel like she's getting up there and like presenting her case and defending her relationship with her husband but the simple fact that all of this shit has gone down and she still is with him that is, she is defending it. Like she, she clearly, nothing that Michael has done has been bad enough for her to say, I am done. So just by definition, she is standing by her man. She's defending her man, even if that's not how she thinks about it. And to be honest, when they bring up that season one clip that we all saw of him grabbing the producer's ass or whatever, for her to say that it was consensual and this person thinks it was funny, I think that is so gross because it's like, even if that's what happened privately,

this person has publicly said something different. And so it feels really, to me, it's like problematic to keep defending that because it's like if there's any question of whether it was consensual, it's not okay. So to mention he did it a few times after that to other people. Right. And the fact of the matter is that regardless of what it was in that specific situation, Michael said that it had never happened and that was a lie. And so regardless of, you know, how someone felt in the moment versus two years later, whatever, Michael point blank denied that he ever did that and he was telling a lie. And I don't feel like we, I don't feel like we really got to that. And to be honest, I'm fine with the fact that he was not at the reunion.

I feel that we've seen enough of him. But I do think if he was there, I wish there would have been a little more pressure on him to really like apologize. or own up to it. Right. Well, she also did end on a note saying that if he did cheat on her, she would leave Michael Darby. Yeah. I, you know, she doubled down on that, which, you know,

we'll see. I still have my, I have my doubts about how serious she is. Another thing that I wish we would have gone a little deeper on this part of the reunion is the rumor that we have all kind of been circling around this season about Monique having an affair with her trainer. and kind of the extra layer of this rumor, which we never heard on the show, but has been around online,

is that the trainer got her pregnant and is the father of her youngest child. And that was kind of like, so we had always known that there was this rumor, and that's why she didn't fuck with Jerez, and allegedly that's why she was so mad at Jazeel, and that's, so her exposing Jizel's receipts was like revenge for that.

And to be honest, I didn't think we really got enough information for it to seem so damning about Giselle. Yeah, not at all. And I always wonder this about Housewives like that with a rumor like that. How do some people choose what's exposed and what's not? Like how did Monique dead that so quick that that wasn't on the show? And she, and even they went back to her interview in production and she said,

I don't really want to talk about this. That's wild because Andy's even half the time is like, no, but like we have to. It did happen with Candace later on. She was like, I don't want to talk about this. He goes, no, we have to. Like, so for a rumor to be that big and could have been a massive storyline, like, how did she get away with not talking about it? Well, and her whole thing is that she's mad at just, like, Gigi, I don't care about it.

Gigi's not in the show. She's irrelevant to me. They can have their issues. I don't need to know. But with Giselle, she's saying she said this stuff about my family on camera. And Andy says, well, she didn't say the thing about your child. She didn't say that on camera. And Monique seems to really, she's saying and she seems to really believe that

Giselle did say that and they just cut it from the show. But if Andy says they didn't, like, to me, that's a non-issue because it's like, we didn't see it. They're not showing us the footage. Andy says it didn't happen. At a certain point, like, I can't, I can't concern myself with something that I don't, I'm never going to see any evidence of. I know, but you know it is funny that they showed every single time.

was a plot, they went back to Giselle talking about it and explaining it. And that is great for us to see that she really is like, I don't know if you'd call her a potster in that situation, but she's always talking. For sure. I mean, I know. I know. I know. I was messy. I think she's talking about every single person's business on the show. There is no doubt that Giselle is a shitster and she gets in other people's business. And, you know, I think that is undeniable. And I actually do think like, It's about time that somebody kind of come for Giselle in a meaningful way. But I also think that it's like in this specific situation with the rumor about the trainer and her child,

if you really want to, you know, come after her, you have to, you have to tell the truth about what happened on camera. Right, right. I do love when they're talking about Cherise. And Robin says, why are you so, why do you have to mentally prepare for Sherey? You're giving her too much credit. That would have been a great add on if she came out. But like that would never happen. But like we love we love, we love, but I, we have to talk about this fight because they

really broke it down for us. And they, of course, they re-showed it. Of course, they gave details. And I know got some new footage. We got we did get new footage. But I am not defending Monique in this situation. But I do have to say the two scenes that Giselle, of course, were the two things that happened where

Giselle was the main person and everyone was like, that didn't happen, that didn't happen and they rolled it back. Both things Monique said did actually happen. And that was Candice putting her hand in her face and also the wine glass. So you can't tell us that Moni, that didn't happen. It did. But she was like kind of burying herself more and more and more and more. Right.

Okay. So my take on this is that the new footage they showed, It did mostly line up with what Monique was saying in terms of, like you said, the hand in the face and there was some broken glass. I still think it's a little bit of a stretch to say that Candice was throwing glass at her. Like nobody was really throwing anything. There was just there was broken glass. But to me, I just can't get past how cold and kind of unemotional Monique is. is this whole time, she is still refusing to apologize or take any accountability. And even further than that is this is when she says the thing about, you know, if I was fired, I wanted to finish her off and blah, blah, blah. And I think Monique has miscalculated because she, I feel like she views this as if she apologizes, it makes her look bad because she's like weak or something.

but if she just said, you know what, that whole thing was so fucked up and I'm sorry it went there and we should have just had our fight with words, that would immediately make it so much more of like a level playing field for me. And I wouldn't be so, I wouldn't have to be fixated on this question of, you know, Monique just looking like kind of like a shitty person. Like she just looks like it's like you would save yourself so much trouble. if you just fucking said, I'm sorry that was so wrong. During the break when the episode ended when Candace got up and and walked off the stage, she, Monique did say to Andy. She was like, well, I do feel, you know, she felt Ben and Andy goes, well, you didn't say that. Like she just couldn't physically like say it. But at the same time, him saying Monique's not emotion or not showing any emotion. Again, I'm going to preface is what I'm not defending her.

Some people can be. Some people can be like that, though, and that's kind of not fair to say because she might not react the way Candace is reacting where she's crying and whatever. We know she's not fully remorseful, but for her saying she doesn't have to be showing emotion. I think that's the thing is I think there's a difference, though, between how you personally deal with something. And I think that is totally valid. Like, Monique doesn't need to be crying to her therapist or whatever. Like I don't need her to show me like with tears that she's sorry or whatever, but I do think when there's another person in the equation that you have hurt in this situation, that's different. Like there's a difference between being emotional yourself about it and being able to appreciate what someone else is going through and kind of be sympathetic or caring about that.

And the thing with Monique for me is that this whole time, it's a year later still, she seems. like she couldn't give less of a shit about what she did to Candice. And I think with when she's saying, you know, thank God no one was hurt. It's like, what are you talking about? Like all and every like everybody on the couch was like, what do you mean no one was hurt? Like did you see Candice's hair in your hands? Not to mention she was also hurt. So what do you mean she'd know.

was hurt? Like they were both hurt. I agree with Monique. I agree with what you're saying about Monique, not. necessarily processing it in the same way herself. But I think you have to, when there are other people involved in a situation, you have to, you have to think about what they need. And if they need an apology, that has nothing to do with your emotions. Totally. And the fact is watching them on the couch, you do, we've said this in the past where you think there's that little hope

where they could be friends again. I know Ashley been asked last week. And then it's like, oh my God, that is when Candace started making those comments. And I'm just like, girl, just like stop. And you could tell, even when they were playing back the two of them being friends, like something just went wrong. Seriously. Right. As much as, as much as I sometimes feel like I find myself defending Candice,

they both have made so many missteps in this situation. And I think I do agree that there's really no chance of them being friends again. But it's, it is disappointing because it's like, there are so many like little points on the road where it's like if candace had taken accountability for that thing or if she had just said sorry or if she had just not not said the first thing that popped into her head both of them i feel like have really just like gone down as porcia would say the wrong road and yeah it's i mean it sucks i think it's like it's too late at this point to really be like you know like oh like they should just make up because it is so deep but it's

Like, it's disappointing. I was talking to someone about how this season has been really great, but also just so heavy and so intense. And there's been so much, so much kind of like dark stuff going on. And I really hope that next season we can get back to a point where it's more like fun shade and kind of just like messy drama, but not in a way that feels so, so like, intense and just real. Like I, I've enjoyed it, but I'm also very mentally tired

from this season of Potomac. Yeah. With that being said, it was still a great season. It's just that the altercation happened very quickly at the beginning. So it was kind of what we had to talk about all week every week.

I think, I think this has been an outstanding season of Housewives, but every season can't be this intense, you know? Correct. But I always say this. Like one thing, happened, that was everyone's storyline.

If you think about it, of course, there are other storylines, but the fight was everyone's storyline for the whole season. But I'm very excited to see the men come out next episode because they feel like that's going to be intense. Very nervous. Yeah, I'm very, very nervous for that. But I'm scared, to be honest. But Dylan,

who is your bravo love of the week? By week, I mean just Sunday night. Who is your bravo of Sunday night? We are so spoiled. I will first of all I would like to give a shout out to Erica Jane for providing us with so much content I was like I was like honestly I could post six things today um I though I will say my bravo lab of the week is gonna be um I'm gonna give it to Wendy I think she has been she had a great first season I was always loving her I think on the reunion she has done a really great job of throwing in her two cents.

And I think she is just a really entertaining presence. And even when the drama doesn't center on her, I think she knows how to kind of get in there and be kind of like a little voice to the side bringing some some fun times. Yeah. I don't really know for this week to be honest. I know. I don't really want to give it to any of the Potomac Housewives.

So I think I'm going to give it to Portia. because she's just doing work. She's always a good option. I know, but like she got arrested again. Her pool party outfit was perfection. And she just always has like fun no matter what she's doing. So yeah, I'm giving mine to Poisha. Well, thank you so much for listening.

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