Mention It All - The Traitors Is Taking Over Ft. Gibson Johns (RHOM, The Traitors)

Episode Date: January 19, 2023

On today’s episode, Dylan is joined by Gibson Johns, host of We Should Talk, and they get right into two Peacock masterpieces: RHOM and The Traitors. First, they talk about Gibson’s Miami hang with Kiki, and where they see the RHOM cast heading in the future. They also unpack Larsa and Nicole’s feud, and why Nicole’s new-school Housewives approach might threaten Alexia. Then, they recap The Traitors, the competition show that no one was expecting to love this much. Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and today I'm excited to be joined in the studio by a returning guest. He is the host of We Should Talk. Please welcome Gibson Johns. I'm so happy to be here in person. I'm happy to have you. I've done it virtually before, but...

Welcome to the studio. It's a gorgeous studio. I always feel like Lala Kent. like in the stew. No, it's beyond. It's gorgeous in here. I'm so happy to be here. Thank you so much. I built it with my own two hands. We have a lot to talk about. I'm excited that you here. I know that you have watched and completed the traders. Yep. On Peacock, which we will get to. I want to do that like in the second half of the episode just so like if anybody doesn't want to be spoiled. No, I'm done. Yeah, that's good. It's so, it's so rare with like Bravo stuff to care about spoilers.

I know. Because I posted, um, I know you're not watching below dead. but like somebody got fired on this week's episode and I posted about it like the next day and still I was getting comments that were like hey way to spoil the episode it wasn't on Peacock until this morning and I'm like you're following a Bravo fan page and I waited like 18 hours.

With regular Bravo shows I think it's let me we all live tweet that but like with the competition show and also with the traders I've been like I've been I think we've both been talking about it since it came out like trying to get people to watch and like people are finally I think the last two days has been finally listening to me.

You know what I mean? Yeah, but it's like me posting what Gertie said to Nicole. It's not a spoiler. Who won the traitors, right, exactly. But speaking of Miami, Miami. I know you're a Miami fan. Huge fan.

As am I. You were just in Miami. I was just in Miami. I saw you Kikied with Kiki. I Kikied with Kiki, you guys. No, yeah, you know how it is. Like, I feel like we have these, like, we interviewed them either, like, in person or virtually and you have these sort of like social media relationships with some of them.

Yeah. Check it. You may be DM here and there. And I think, I guess I was like probably tweeting about Kiki like early in season four. Because like for me it's like my eye goes to certain people. Like I gravitate towards certain people. She wasn't even getting confessional. I was like there's something about Kiki.

You know, like she like felt like she had like something going on. And I think she just, we started following each other. And so I reached out to her and I was going to Miami for a long weekend. And we got drinks. And it was so fun. We got margaritas. And then she's like, let's like a shot. So we took shots together.

and then she was like spilling information and it was just fun. Like she's exactly who you want her to be. I feel like Kiki last season, obviously she was around. Like it's not like she wasn't getting invited to things, but it was almost like the camera would kind of find her in these moments where she would be like, she's like, oh my God, like in the background almost. And this season I feel like they're actually like capitalizing on her personality, which I really appreciate.

Yeah, I think that she honestly, I mean, obviously I would, I've want to be like full time. But like if you like, we're in her position, it's kind of nice. Like you get to slowly kind of dip your toe in and now she's like both feed her in and I think who knows if like it will keep going. But like I hope it does. Like I think it's kind of a nice situation for her. It's interesting on Miami since they did the reboot having the six housewives, the three friends, because the other two friends are oh, exactly. So it's like with with Marisol and Adriana, there's no sense of like, oh like are we going to get to know them at all? And so with Kiki it's like this season it feels like she's actually. Yeah. And I. And I also.

kind of get the sense that with them it's like they're kind of firmly in the friend of situation like Marisol and Adriana you know like some fans think they should be full time I personally am fine with their situation like it seems like they're firmly in the friend of can't like the really like kind of you know there are friends of that are very prominent on the show right but I feel like Kiki like there's kind of the because she is so new and I mean I was hearing about her story when I got drinks with her it's like we know nothing about her life and

it's like pretty interesting so I could see her kind of continuing to kind of level up yeah because she's also in she's like best friends with Larsa and You know, she's in with, she's in with the in crowd. I think it was the first episode of this season when, um, when Lisa had said the thing about Lars, you know, like, yeah, about the apartment. Yeah. Kiki was the bone carrier. It's like, I was like, oh, like, Larsa and Kiki are like besties and they're like, they hang

out a lot on the show. And that's a real life thing, I think, too. So it's, it seems like she, she's in it. Yeah. Yeah. I, did you know before this week's episode that, um, Marisol and Steve weren't legally married? I did not know that.

And I interviewed Marisol last season. She was like, yeah, we got married. I did not say they weren't legally married. That's the kind of thing where I'm like, I feel like you're comfortable in your friend role if you've been back on this show for two seasons. And we don't even think to mention that you and your husband are not technically married. And it's also so funny that Alexia was the one to drop that info. I mean, I don't think Marisol had a problem with it.

But like, she, Alexia has spilled the beans on that. Like, I don't know if that was something that she necessarily wanted out there. Yeah. We had Lexia and Marisol here earlier in the season, and it was very much like, it's not like off limits to talk about Steve, but also is there really a reason to bring him up? And I feel like she's content with that. Yeah, I think so. I think with Marisol and Adriana, it's like, they're both incredible members of the friend group,

but they don't, I don't think that their personal lives have like that much going on to the point where they need to, we need to have like full scenes at their homes, like just solo, you know? And I'm okay with that. Well, and even on this week's episode, Adriana, it seemed like she kind of wanted to have a little bit of a moment. I know. I brought the paperwork, the official signed document that he's divorced because Alexia said he's married and that never even got brought up. I know. I'm like, I hope that she does bring that up, but I agree. It's like she's, I think she's still clamoring for it. Yeah. But I don't know if I don't know if we're going to get there. Yeah. It's kind of opposite

energies because I think Marisol, it doesn't feel like she's trying too hard. And the camera kind of just loves her, whereas Adriana, it's like, she still really wants it. Yes, I think Marisol is really content to play sort of like the partner in crime role. Yeah. You know? And it's, I mean, she's, oh, it's amazing. She's on girls trip this season. Like, it's worked.

Totally. Okay, that's such a good point that she's on girls trip as a friend up. That's kind of cool. I know. Obviously, she's been a housewife before. No, of course, but it's like she's not a housewife right now. So that's kind of nice that she still got included. I never thought about that.

Right. Like nobody, nobody's like checking her housewives passport on the way to Tyrant. They're like, yeah, you can get them. Good on the plane. this season has just been so so like I don't know it's just like giving everything I know I know I have it I just like think that

the vibe of Miami is that like I just think that the context of them coming back after 10 years is like so important to keep top of mind when you consider how good this show has been because like they all want to solidify themselves and like maintain their presence as housewise because they know what it's like to have to not have it for so long and I think it was kind of dangled above them for a while

because it was like, I think they were almost brought back a couple times. And like, they're all in it to make an amazing show. And that is like, that is why the show is so good. Like they all, there are a couple people, obviously Alexia and Lisa who have had like crazy things happening in their life for the past two seasons, which helps a lot. But ultimately, like, they're all in it to win it. Yeah. I think I think about that the most with Larsa actually.

Because obviously I think in the years that Miami was not happening, she was the one who was around the most kind of in the public consciousness. But when she came back to the show, I didn't know what to expect. And this season in particular, she really is driving storyline. She's getting messy. She's bringing it. And like, that's the kind of thing where whether or not that comes naturally to her, you can tell that she's putting in the work.

100%. Yeah. My theory about Larsa is that I think everyone was sort of like curious about what she was going to bring when she came back in season four after. 10 years away, the Kardashian of it all. And I think that she was so on guard about the Kardashian stuff, about like, she knew people were going to bring it up.

She was on guard. She didn't really want to talk about it. And I bet you she probably even couldn't talk about some of it because she probably signed some NDAs here and there. You know what I mean? So it's like I think that she was so guarded last year. And then, but going into this season, it's like, she answered for that several times. And she's freed from answering those questions anymore. And now I think it's kind of just like

freed her up, you know? And she's like, the divorce is settled too and it's like everything's like kind of it's finally in her path and now I think they just freed her up and I think she probably she was welcomed in a better way last year than I think she probably expected.

Yeah and seeing the montage this week of all the things that she has brought to the table this season it's you know I saw online that you rent out the house for the mortgage someone told me that Julia was making out with a man

Adriana, what about you being bipolar? And then Nicole, and then with Nicole, like, again, some birdie is telling Larsa that she hooked up with every doctor in the hospital. And it's like, aside from whether it's like right or wrong to be telling these rumors about people, it's like, she's giving us lots of material. She's driving storyline. And yeah, the montage, I was thinking about how like with her, for some reason I'm okay with it. Like she's like, but I think if it was like 80% of the other house,

I'd be like, they're acting a fool, you know? And it's kind of like giving Giselle where like she just kind of drops some drops a bomb and like see how the groups react, like brings it to the group, you know. I'm loving it. Like I'm giving her a pass because she's locked in. Word on the street. Very. You know, the streets are saying that you. And it's like, is this is this real?

Like is there any? Because Alexia is like, well, you know, where's there smoke? There's fire. And it's like, is there smoke? Or is Larsa just like. Is it literally a producer who was like, what? if she, like, made out with every doctor in the hospital? She's like, oh, I heard.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm very much, like, team Nicole in that specific situation, but not in a way where I'm like, fuck, Larson. Totally. Yeah, I think I'm with you. Because Nicole, I think what's so great about Nicole is that she, like, she comes ready to bring it and fight and then whatever, but she's also so grounded in reality, which I think

is something that, like, obviously every franchise needs. And so it's hard to argue with her because she is. so like kind of level-headed about certain things. And so, but yeah, I agree with you. I'm, I'm on her side in that situation, but I still, I'm like so staunchly like a Larsa stand right now. It is hard. Like there are so few examples in the housewives world of people having a job as real as

literally going to the hospital like scrubbing in every day. So it is hard to compare just like when Nicole is like, no, like I literally could lose my job. That was a good impersonation. Larson, Larsonist. Larson is an arsonist. Like, there is no comparison in this cast of somebody having, like, a real ass job that they have to, like, attend a building to work in every day. And so I think there is a little bit of the rest of the women are like, yeah, we all have families. We all have things going on. And it's like, no, she's, she's a fucking doctor. It's also so interesting, like, like, she brought that up in the group. Larson's not obviously there to talk about it.

But like Alexia and Marisol, like, they were kind of, they were kind of running in circles the other direction to, like, defend Larsa. And it was like, that was, those were some stretches that were made right there. And it was like, okay, that tells me how much they either don't like Nicole or maybe are kind of like slightly threatened by like how great of a housewife she is. There's something there. Yeah. They really don't want her to be legitimized.

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It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. One thing that occurred to me watching this episode is that last season, I think Alexia got a ton of fan love. And a lot of it was well deserved. And then, of course, on top of just her as a personality, there were all of these tragic things happening swirling around her. And so it made sense that people kind of rallied around her. But this season, I think things have settled a little bit more.

So her kind of opinions on things are starting to take more precedent. And like, yeah, like she is a little dismissive of all the stuff that Nicole's father has done wrong. And she's a little dismissive of, she's very like old fashioned in the way she looks at things. And I, it, people compare her to Teresa all the time, both in a, in a good way, like, you know, iconic housewife, personal storyline. But then also this season, I think we're seeing a little bit. She is kind of like Teresa in that she has very specific ideas of how family should treat each other, how people should handle their conflicts, loyalty. And it's like, maybe it's not always the, the best way. to handle things.

Yeah, I think that she, and I love Lexi, and I completely agree on all fronts there. I think that she has to be slightly careful, just like tread a little lightly in terms of how she is asserting herself in those ways. Like, I think the most telling moment for me was when they were on that, on that sprint avan, and they had just had that huge argument with Julia about the Russian prostitute comment. And then she's like, well, I'm the star for something like that. She says something along those lines. And like, that is like, that broke through kind of, that's like almost like a fourth wall breaking

comment. Right, it's like Jacks Taylor being like, it's my show. Yeah. And like, I could love any housewife as much as possible, humanly possible. But if somebody says something like that, it's like a little, you have to take a step back and be like, okay. It's like you're getting a little too close to the edge. A hundred percent. And I don't, and I don't think she's crossed that line by any means, but like it's definitely sort of like towing it at certain points.

And she has to be careful. Well, I think what we, what you were kind of talking about with this cast all wanting to make a good show is that the reason a big part of it that it's worked so. well in its, you know, reboot form is that it is truly an ensemble and it's a cast full of stars. So it's like, yeah, Alexia is a star and maybe she's one of the most popular or most well-liked people in the cast. But like every single person here is serving an important role. There's no kind of like extra fat to trim in this cast, I feel like.

Yeah, I feel like that's mostly true. And I think she treats Nicole and Gertie in a very similar way. who are the two new housewives who like are more most classic housewives because Julia's like a different category right Julia kind of is off like exactly I like Julia but like Alexia has had Tiffs with Gertie ongoing Tiffs with Gertie and Nicole and it's that's that's telling to me you know in terms of a there's kind of a territorial aspect to it and it also kind of in my mind it shows that she thinks that they are real kind of threats to yeah you know the show that she's help made, you know, make.

And I think Alexia is very captivating from a personality sense, but she, like, thinking about what Nicole did on this episode, the way in which she delivered that uninvitation to Larsa after cooking up her little, you know, see yourself uninvited, ha ha, and then writing it on a mirror, hand delivering it while Gertie was there. While Gertie is there. Gertie, who is the queen of reactionary facial experience. expressions and a what? Like, it was masterful in a, in such an over-the-top housewives kind of way.

And like, Alexia, that's not really her style. Like, Alexia is very, you know, she gets in there with her personality and stuff, but like she's not really doing like that kind of like camp gimmick kind of thing. And like in that, in that scenario, it could have been cringe, but I think it really. It kind of worked. Yeah, I think so. The gimmick of it all is kind of. kind of like a, I feel like a last like five, six years house life thing.

And like, because Alexia comes from that older school, older school group of house life, she's not going to do that. But I agree. I think this episode, Nicole, I mean, I think she's, I think she's already been a star. But like this is sort of like a she's taking it kind of episode, you know, and like it was, it was her episode, you know, it was her party. Yeah. She did the disinvitation.

She had the argument with Larsa. She asserted herself at her own party. and kind of shut down that conversation, stormed away and tears. And also, also, I'm actually kind of intrigued by the thing with her dad. Like, now that he's, like, actually there physically and we're not just talking about it sort of like with other family members. That was like honestly pretty compelling to me. And so she has a lot going for her. I really think so.

Seeing the rest of the group interact with her dad and kind of getting that, not just hearing from her, oh, my dad is this, my dad is that. Exactly. Kiki's interaction with her dad went very different, was received very differently than Marisol at Alexias. because Marisol and Alexia, they are, I mean, first of all, they're all Cuban. I think there is like some sort of cultural vibe. They're closer in age to him. They're older than Kiki or Nicole, obviously. And like, they just kind of are like, oh, he's fun. He's like, you know, he's funny.

Like, yeah, like, it's flirtatious. It reminds me a lot of Aviva's dad. So true. Absolutely. That's a really good person. How, like, there were some people who were like, oh, yeah, like, he's just like a, you know, like kind of a dirty old man, but like, isn't it funny? And then there are people in the cast who are like, oh, yikes.

Right. Yeah, exactly. And it's almost like Nicole has to sort of get to where Aviva had gotten to with her dad, just like accepting it. Yeah. But also that's way easier said than done when it's not your own dad. You know what I mean? Right. And when you have a four or five year old son at home who you have to decide whether that's

a person you want to be present in their life and then he has this girlfriend that we've heard lots about. And it's like there are, I think there are a lot more layers than maybe Alexia and Marisol kind of give it credit for. I agree. And I think that it's, again, it makes, it's another kind of check in Nicole's column of, like, reasons why we should keep her around and really explore her life. What do you think of her husband and, like, how he keeps talking about Larsa, like, in their date nights? Her, like, big, fat ass. Yeah, it's like a lie.

I don't know. It is. I don't, I think sometimes the husbands on these shows are in, like, a little bit of a tough. spot because obviously people are going to come for them if they're not supportive of their women when they have when they're in kind of conflict with people but then it's a fine line between being supportive and being like yeah like she should be nice to you and then like you make a comment like that and it's a little bit like that feels like maybe misogynistic or like maybe you're getting involved in the problem that's not yours and I don't know I mean I like Anthony I do

like him too I think there was like one too many comments you know what I mean it was like yeah funny that maybe kind of funny that the first two, there was like four or five of them. Right. I think, I think that's something where like most of the men on these shows just could say like one less thing. Yes, a hundred percent. It's a good note.

I do like them as a couple and I like him too. Yeah. And I do the whole thing of like, oh, your first husband is a teacher. Like that, that's such an interesting dynamic. And when Nicole's like, well, how would you feel, Gertie, if she said, Russell the firefighter. I'm like, okay. You have such a good Nicole impression. I love the way she speaks.

Oh my God. No, but I feel like that hasn't really been explained even, like why that's even relevant. I mean, when you think about the fact that it's like Larsa was married for all these years to NBA superstar, not even just like an athlete or a basketball player, but like a famous, famous, successful world champion NBA star. And, you know, like, I think there, even if you're not, like, doing it intentionally, there's sort of a vibe there that it's like, okay, yeah, like, your life is cute too.

And it's like, Nicole's the one who's, like, flying everyone around in her plane. Except for Larsa. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like maybe Larsa's mad she wasn't on the plane. There we go. Yeah. No, I'm, Nicole is really it for me in terms of the new ones. Also, a good little pearl that we got.

this week was that Martina and Julia don't have a pre-up. Really interesting. I actually, it got me thinking about how convinced I am by Julia's sort of like, you know, put on naivete that she has a little bit. Like there's, she kind of puts on this, this, you know, character that she's a little bit naive and kind of just kind of little floating in the air. I'm milking my goats. I can't read this five page document, but it's like,

I don't know. Like, I think there's, I think there's a little bit more thought there that maybe were expected to think. Yeah. I don't know. She's, it's interesting. It's an interesting.

There's more calculation there than we might give a, give her credit for. Yeah. And even, even just, like, Martina, and I know you're a tennis fan also, we, we have that in common. Like, Martina is such a, such an interesting figure in and of herself. And it's never felt like there's some, like, trophy wife vibe with Julia and Martina. So, like, I, it's interesting to kind of peel back the layers with them a little bit more and kind of get a look at like, okay, I see why they were drawn to each other and like how this kind of works for them.

Yes. And it's, and what complicates that is like, you know, this whole thing that Julia keeps talking about of like being home alone with just them too and like her not being happy with that and wanting this baby that I guess they're adopting. And I don't know. They have a very, a really intriguing relationship dynamic. And I think, I mean, again, as a tennis fan, it's like, Martina on this show, this is, the show has been really good for Martina's image, in my opinion. Like, it's really, like, softened her in my, because, as, you know, just as, like, a tennis fan, she seemed, like, really kind of hard-lined and really pretty intense. Yeah. The way she would talk about, like, you know, up-and-coming players, like, it was pretty intense.

So to see her on this show. And I don't know, it's definitely, like, she's more casual than I expected her to be. Yeah. I agree. I'm curious whether this is, whether this adoption storyline is going to be like a Melissa Gorga kind of direction. I know. I know. Like, not that I think it is, but then I'm like, she said yes pretty quickly. Are we going to talk about this for like three more episodes?

Why did we not see the conversation of her saying yes? You know, that's like a pretty big moment. I told her I want to be in you. She's good with it. Right. That's okay. It's as if we're like buying like another dog. You know?

I don't know. Well, I'm very excited. We still have like six episodes left this season before we even get to reunion. I'm so happy. I'm really relieved last week and this week especially. I was a little worried that the back half of this season would really just devolve into like, let's rally around Lisa. Right.

And maybe not much else is going to happen. And I am so relieved. Obviously, I want to see that. I'm interested in it. But like, we have plenty of other stuff to talk about it. It would have bogged down if it was the entire second half of the season. I will say like there was literally none of that in this past episode. I would have like to maybe like one scene about it.

it. But like, I agree. I agree that it's not, it's good that we're focused on other dramas because even last season, I don't think there was a, they could have focused way too much on Alexia. They didn't, but they're doing a good job about balancing it. The clip from Lenny and Lisa's lingerie party finally got to rest this week. Finally. After being in, I think, like, every episode for the last month. Every episode. Oh, my God. Show me the scene where Joanna like, who punched you? I forget. Oh, my God. I can't. Anyway. Anyway. Wow. Joanna. Gone and mostly forgotten.

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In my mind, nobody knew what was happening. There had been no kind of like rumors about this. And we have like four Bravo Labrities, but like kind of a random bunch. And then like some survivors, some big brother. Like a bachelor. Ten more randos. I was like, I feel like I have to watch like an episode of this just because like it has a Bravo connection. I watched all 10 episodes in three days.

No, it's add. There is like content to be had. It is so entertaining. I am just like the peacock, I think, smashed this. Like they did such a good job. Yeah. Well, and I think what was interesting is that they were, they were also advertising at the same time,

the Fox show, Special Forces, that's like another kind of like. The one that Kenya's on. Yeah. Kenya and Hannah Brown and, you know, Gus Kenner, they're like a bunch of random celebrities. So it was sort of confusing that those two shows. were kind of launching around the same time.

But this one is just like, oh my God. Like, again, I watched it in three days like you. And it's the format is good. It's, it's funny. It actually by the end, you're like really, like, it's kind of gripping by the end. Like, you're kind of, I don't know. It really checks all the boxes. I was, I had plans last night.

I had to go meet someone. And I had like 20 minutes left in the final episode when I had to leave. And I, like, like, I like, up. updated the peacock app on my phone. So watch it like on the bus on the way to get drinks in the bread. I'm like, I need to know how it ends. I love it.

Commitment, baby. So I'm curious your thoughts on the dynamic between half of the cast being these reality veterans. Some competition, some not, but like they know how this works. Yeah. And then half of the cast being plucked out of obscurity.

Yeah. I personally felt like in future seasons, I feel like they should go. all or nothing. I agree. Preferably all. I don't think it like didn't work necessarily, but it's,

you know, are we, can we do spoilers? Yeah, we can spoil. If you're not this far and you have not watched it, pause this and watch all this and watch all the episode and come back. Some of them get to the five, two out of the final three are

civilians. And like, I don't, I think that's because they're floaters and like didn't really, they didn't seem like threats to be voted out. They didn't seem like threats to be murdered. Mm-hmm. And so I agree.

And like they just aren't, they just got out maneuver. You know what you mean? Right. And like, Ceree was so smart to bring her the numbers in in that way because they're less threatening to her and they're more likely to be convinced by her. I also think that the people who didn't have prior reality TV experience got a lot more

wrapped up in the emotions of, but I trusted you. Yes. And it's like, I understand that. I mean, that's part of the game is getting wrapped up in it. And, you know,

you're supposed to trick people and lie to people. And that's part of it. but like it almost was a little bit like oh you didn't understand like you're playing the game did not understand the assignment yeah and and towards the end this weird thing came in of like this person needs the money and like this person doesn't need the money and sort of like well first of all like just because you're like you've been on survivor twice doesn't mean that you have a bunch of money you know what I mean like seri was saying how she wants the money to start college funds for her grandchildren like that's like she doesn't have like millions millions of dollars just because she's like a well-known

person from a reality show. Yeah. I actually, one of the things I liked about the casting of the reality stars is that, I guess Rachel and Cody both won seasons of Big Brother, but the rest of the people that were on the reality side of things are, to my knowledge, like, not particularly rich. Right. I think that makes that kind of, it's an even more of an even plain field. Right.

That it's like somebody like. You can't do a guilt trip. Right. Having like Kate Chastain and Reza and Brandy Glanville, like Brandy Glanville, like Brandy Glenville has been on a lot of reality TV shows. I'm sure she, like, is okay. Yes, I'm sure. But, like, she's not Kyle Richards.

Exactly. Yeah, I think that to have that not be a factor would be preferential for next, for next season, hopefully we got a season two, because it's just sort of like, because it made the ending a little too sad for me almost. Like, even though like, I love Surrey. I've seen her all of her seasons of Survivor. Like, I think she's an amazing reality star. But, like, her, so her winning, I should have been like over the moon.

was, but there was this like sort of tinge of like heartbreak because Andy had been like so blindsided by her and she like needed money to like for their. Yeah. They needed money for their baby that was coming and it was like that made me sad, you know. Yeah. To be honest though, the, the two like civilians that made it to the end just did bad map. Yeah. Because they had only, this is in the weeds.

I assume if you're still listening, you've watched it. But they had only eliminated two traders for the whole game. There were four of them left. I, they all knew at the beginning that there were three traitors. Okay, but I, so I interviewed Kate Chastien this morning. She said that they were told three to five, but they still had only limited to two. Two. So I don't know.

Maybe they were told two to five, but so they actually weren't told a specific number, apparently. Okay. But that was not conveyed to us. If they were, assuming they knew there were at least three at the beginning of the game, you should, you can do subtraction and know that there has to be at least one left. So voting to end the game is just like fundamentally. I agree. A bad decision.

I agree. I agree. But I think that's the thing. If you had had like a cast full of Survivor, Big Brother, you know, whatever, alums, like there would have been a little bit more like scheming, which those were the fun parts. And, you know, you talked to Kate. Kate came out of this show just like a newly coronated like reality queen. Yeah, I totally.

And everyone always knew she was a star, but I think what helped was that the beginning of the show because the format was so specific and new. I think it took time for the viewers and the other people on the show to settle into the game and figure out what they were actually doing. But in the meantime, Brandy and Kate provided such good humor for us to be entertained while they were figuring it out. And that helped them just break out. I mean, Brandy figured out who the traitors were like the second episode.

She got voted out early, but her and Kate were such necessary sources of humor in those early episodes. And then Kate carried it through. Right. Kate, by halfway through the season, her absolute disdain for participating in this was... Walking down that hill as they were pushing the barrel saying they were demeaning themselves. I mean, beyond. She was like, does everyone have to go in the water? Can someone carry me? Throwing the money away? Throwing the money away. Her and then kind of... So it's like her friendship with Brandy, her disdain for the game, and then her beautiful feud with Rachel Riley of Big Brother. Chef's Kiss.

Fame. Just like... They just like could not be more opposite in terms of personality. And it just worked out so well. They just hated each other. Yeah. And they kept going at each other. For a show that I expected to at most like passively enjoy, I ended up being so invested in it.

And like just letting those episodes auto play from one to the next. I was like, damn. I am really... They did a great job with the cliffhangers too. Totally agree. I was always going to the beginning of the next episode, at least watching that. And it's another experiment that worked for Peacock.

Like I think we all, when Real House House House Ultimate Girl should premiere, it was like, how this is actually going to work, you know? And it ended up working amazingly well. And then what happens is you do the first season. And then everyone who watch is like daydreaming about who's going to be on the next season. And so it creates this,

it has like a built-in anticipation for what the next season is going to be because it's casting some of our favorite reality stars. I think the whole Bravo angle of Peacock has been really interesting to watch because we, girls trip was pretty early on that we found out that was going to be a real thing. It's turned out to be,

you know, a continuing franchise of its own. They brought back Miami. That was their first kind of like proper housewives show. And then beyond that, I mean, they did like below deck,

Australia, whatever. But like kind of thinking of, okay, like how do they expand this kind of like Bravo adjacent universe on Peacock? Is that going to be

more Housewives franchises? is, is it going to be Housewives spin-offs? Like, those things feel like they kind of have limited real estate. Like, we can only keep up with so many Housewives franchises. But then doing this competition thing where it's like some Bravo people, some other reality people, some normal people. It's like that it was, I think, like a brilliant next step in that kind of like reality peacock world that they're building.

100%. I think that the CBS reality show world, the Big Brothers and the survivors of it all, those have such built-in loyal fan bases as well, totally separate from Bravo. And those people are going to tap in for the show. Oh, yeah. And maybe that draws them into the Bravo shows because they love Kate Chastain so much.

Do you know what I mean? That's really smart too because there's, and same with Bachelor. Like people, like, I didn't even watch Ari Seasons of The Bachelor, but I remember him being like kind of detested by the end of his season or something. And he was great on this show. Like I thought he was great on the traders.

Ari was great. He, like, his vibe throughout the season shifted a little. little bit. He really got involved. I liked him. At the beginning, I was like, okay, he and Ryan Locti dead weight. Totally. Ryan Lockty was dead weight. He went home at some point. But Ari, I was like, oh, okay. Yeah. No, he was a pleasant surprise. And honestly, the other Brava person who was on it, Kyle, like, I think you're reminded that Kyle is a very well-educated person who thinks very strategically. Like, I think this, I mean, he gets shit for how, like, how much he talks about business and stuff. But, like, in this scenario, that actually, he was pretty good

on it. I knew Kyle. I knew Kyle would be good on this kind of show. Yeah. No, it felt like it was the right fit for him and he's a very competitive person to begin with. So I, it is just so ripe for dream casting this show. I know you've posted some. I've posted some. But like truly there are just like dozens of people I would like to see. I know. Who from the Bravo universe did you think would be good? I think Candace would be. She's a competitive person. She's savage. I agree. I think Candice would be great. I think a lot of people have said Megan King. Megan King could be fun. Yeah, because she's the detective of it all. Yeah. I think, you know, like so many, truly so many people and the way that the show works, it's like they were there for like 10 days. It's a very like, it's a very like bubble

of an experience, you know, it's very contained. It's kind of like girls trip in a way, where it's like you're there for a little over a week. It's a sprint. You're getting your check. I'm sure all of reality people were paid like an appearance fee. It's not just like the prize post. Exactly. But like, yeah, no, I feel like there are just like so many people. You tweeted Heidi Montag. Yeah, I know.

I tweeted people from Big Brother and Survivor. I tweeted. Oh, somebody posted Heidi Monta. Chanel and Davon from Big Brother who were like, yes. He always memed. Yes, Davon, for sure. They both come on multiple seasons. Daveon is pretends to be shocked.

It's that meme. And the one who busts out the door. And then these two iconic Survivor players, Parvety and Sandra. Like, it's just there's so much to, but I think it's interesting also comparing the competition reality star people versus like the Bravo star people who like, yeah. I think that the competition people are at an advantage just from the get go. But there's some bravo people in there that could definitely hold their own. Ashley Darby. Oh my God.

Yeah, you have to think like who's that. Who's kind of like, you know, athletic or like thinks. I don't know. like I think I think it has to like skew a little younger too. Yeah. Yeah. Like right. Like I don't want to see like, I don't want to see Ramona.

Luan. Right. Exactly. On the traitors. Yeah. It needs to be somebody who is like down enough to care and like Kate maybe didn't care the whole time. But like at the end of the day she showed up and participated.

I think, I think Lindsay Hubbard could work on it too. Definitely. Yeah. I think yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. No. I mean, the whole like competition side of thing. things like, I don't know, maybe somebody from like Top Chef? Is that, I don't know.

I can see it. I'm trying to think pump rules vibes. Like, who's from Pump Rules? Oh, yeah, who from Pump Rules? La La, Lao could be savage. James Kennedy. I'm not a fucking triton. No, he would actually be hilarious.

Oh, my God. I think I would just like start crying. Like, I would be so stressed in that house because if I was a faithful, I would just be like, like, guys, oh, I know. Oh, my God. No, it's heaven. I loved the show. And I just, it seems like more people are finally starting to watch it and talk about it. I think so.

I mean, with streaming, it's so hard to tell. I know. I mean, it's hard to tell with anything. But I do feel like it's one of those shows where if you can get enough people to even just like start it and get the conversation going. And because it has that built in Bravo audience, there is such a like social media apparatus to talk about it. Whereas like if it was a random Netflix show or whatever, it's like, yeah. And I also tweeted this, but like, I do think they missed the mark and not having a reunion for this show because it's, it's the perfect show to be like,

how do we all react to find out who the traders were and like who really still feels betrayed? You know, it's, I think that would have been a great, it would have been great reunion catnip. I want to see Alan Cummings reunion look. 100%. He was serving. Kate Chastain was serving. Kate was serving. Rachel Riley, perhaps not serving, according to Kate.

That's a funny outfit. It's because of God She's like, I don't particularly like that outfit So I don't know if I trust you That's, I mean, listen It tells you a lot about people what they wear, so So you won the money, I think Kate won the The fans

The most new fans in the last week I think so too, I think so too Yeah Well, I'm so glad you also loved this show Because I needed someone to talk about it Yeah, and I hope that I want to talk about With a million more people, so we need second season So listen, okay

If you avoided spoilers, watch it Yeah, welcome back Gifson, this was so great. So fun. Tell everyone where they can find you and listen to you. We should talk. I do an interview a week anywhere you get your podcasts. And then Gibsonoma on Twitter and Instagram.

Amazing. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you. You'll have to come back to the stew. Any day. We're here all this. Constantly, 24-7 in the stew. Thank you so much.

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