Mention It All - The Valley's S3 Slump, Bravo vs. Netflix, & Why We Love Older Housewives Ft. Ben Mandelker

Episode Date: June 9, 2026

On this Tuesday episode, Dylan is joined by Watch What Crappens co-host Ben Mandelker for a wide-ranging Bravo deep dive. They break down why Summer House continues to thrive while The Valley feels stuck, what’s working so well about In The City, and why Real Housewives of Rhode Island has become Bravo’s biggest breakout success story. Plus, Ben shares his thoughts on RHORI’s Slam Pig drama, Liz’s villain reputation, and who may or may not survive a second season. They also discuss RHOA’s resurgence, Angela Oakley and K. Michelle’s impact on the cast, why Bravo succeeds where Netflix reality TV falls short, and whether Housewives are simply more entertaining when they’re a little older. Finally, Ben talks about bringing Watch What Crappens to the cabaret stage with his new live show, "Forbidden Housewives". Go to the BravoByBetches YouTube page to watch full length episodes every Tuesday & Friday: Youtube.com/@BravoByBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. I am so thrilled to have a returning guest here today. He is a fellow Bravo podcaster and a newly minted cabaret star, Ben Mandelker of Watch What Crapins. Hello, Ben. Hi, Dylan. So great to see you.

Welcome back. Thanks for having me. It's summer in New York. Oh, it's so, it's beautiful. It's wonderful. It's wonderful. It's hot and, you know, it's, is it exciting for you guys here in New York? Do you think, like, when it's like sunny, you're saying to yourself, wow, in just a few

short weeks, the summer house cast will be reconvening in the Hamptons. Well, who's going to be there? That's the question. You know, I've been thinking about this because, you know, at this time in human history, like the most pressing question is, who. was actually going to be in the summer house. On 4th of July weekend, who will show up in their rented vehicle? Yeah, I mean, I have a hard time after watching the first two parts of the reunion imagining that they would want West or Amanda there, right? Why not? Bravo wants. What,

did something happen? But like, Bravo's like, we want to have a ponytail influencer at the house. Yeah, it's like half bun, half tail. It's like that weird. I describe it as like a teacup handle. Yeah. It's kind of like you could like hang around a pig. But then it's like there's the other question of have the people who graduated in the city actually graduated or do we get one more run with Kyle or Lindsay? I think we do. I think we get. Well, first of all, I think Kyle will be on Summer House for as long until someone finds that like portrait of him in the attic that has like aged, you know, many years. Like he will be on Summer House for a long time.

I think Lindsay will make her appearances. you'll have Jesse. I feel like, I mean, Sierra is supposed to be coming back to it. Yeah, so she's going to be in Fiji for however long. And then at some point she'll have to go start learning to dance. But there might be a brief window in like late July. That's right, because while dancing with the stars will start, she'll probably start learning to dance in August, right?

Yes, but I think you could learn to dance in New York. Absolutely. I hear there's dancers here. There's dance studios. in New York and then she could sort of like gradually, you know, make her way west. Right. I think, oh, triggering. I, but the question is, because I think Love Island will probably be done around July 12th or something.

Yeah. Like that second week or so. And then, which is funny because it always feels like it's all summer long, but it's actually only just for like June. We were, because we're doing like a weekly podcast for it this year. And so I was like putting out the schedule and I'm like, it's. Only six weeks. Like, it feels like an eternity. Yeah, it goes a very long time.

So, I mean, it's, no, like a long time in our lives, but it's a short time. Yes. It's like humans themselves. We're just like a small sliver of time. But then the question is also now, KJ and Dara seem to have split. Are they still split? I don't know. I mean, I feel like KJ will be back.

I think everyone loves KJ. Everyone loves KJ. I hope he's doing doing. doing well. I'll be doing well and I hope like the rigors of being in reality TV and on Bravo will be okay for him. Yeah. And then I have not

particularly enjoyed Ben this season. No, I can't stand him. But I do feel like Is that a good thing? I feel like if he is down to come back it probably makes sense to have him back just to sort of like preserve. Yeah, some

like normalcy. Some groupness. Well I think that like if Bravo is down to give Ben more of a villain at it, I think that would be good. I think it's always good to have villains. Because at the beginning of this season, it felt like we were like, oh, he's like the hottest guy ever.

He's Australian. He was the bachelor. He was hot. He was humble. He was shy. He seems like kind of a dick. He seems like a total dick. And like everyone picked up on it.

When he reprimanded Bailey, it was just, it was such a cold, mean way to do it. It was so above and beyond. have just been like, hey, I really didn't appreciate that. Like, it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. I would never steal someone's misses. You know, they could have, like, he could have done it in, like, a nice way. Yeah.

But he was just actually, like, really cold and punishing about it in a way that was so unappetized. And that moment, I think it was part one of the reunion when Bailey really, like, went in on him for, for, like, a beautiful 30 seconds about how he speaks to women. And so good. And all of this and that he doesn't hold, you know, men accountable to say, whatever. Like he didn't really seem interested in like actually unpacking what she was saying. He was just like, well yeah, Kyle and I are boys.

So of course I'm not going to be the same with it. It's like. Yeah, it's like why are you boys? If you're not, if somebody's pointing out a behavior that they have noticed, whether you agree with it or not, if you're not willing to like dig into that. Yeah, that's going to be. It's kind of like,

that's why we're at the reunion. I know. I think that like Ben really, like I have a whole idea of who I think Ben is, which is I do see him. as someone who has like built an image of himself and he's like trying to really really hard to construct one with Sabrina Bale and I don't think like I just I feel like I see through it. Sabrina Bell.

You know like all of a sudden they're like they're separated for all this time and then he decides oh actually we're back together and I love her so much and don't you dare say a single bad thing against her because like she's been the love of my life all this time and you're like where is this coming from? I'm really curious like I would like to know from people in Australia what his is like persona is because if if he was the bachelor in Australia like is he like a Nick Viall Ben Hake like what's the kind of like he clear like some people know him there they've got to right like what is his what was his like bachelor I don't know I don't know but you know I also

have a theory that like his previous experience on reality TV was as as bachelor you're like head honcho and one thing that we've seen on the traders is that these people from the bachelor universe these bachelors come in and they've they've just their only experience has been that they are in the center of a TV show where everyone fawns all over them and so they are very like take charge and it's like my way or the highway and they drive us all nuts have you noticed that like has there been anyone from the bachelor who has come over into the bravo peacock verse that we've been like what a lovely addition i think the only one is gabby windy because by the time she came on traders she was not the bachelor she was like the lesbian i know

With the podcast. But like also like But in terms of like the men The men have come over They've all sucked The pilot Pete's the yeah No it's not good What's his face

Whoever we There was someone on Ari Ari Lyndeike And who is this here That we all hated From The Bachelor God we couldn't stand Yeah you're right

There was someone that we hated Oh Colton Colton thank you I knew there was someone That we hated Who's that gay guy I was like I had already pushed him out Happy pride.

Happy pride. We all hated Colton. But I think these guys, I think somehow maybe they, and by the way, you know what? I'll throw in Ashley's husband from Rhode Island. Why not? But although I guess he was more Bachelorette or Bachelorette or... He has drink orders to make. He has Audrey's...

Leave Jared alone. He has new Italian syrups to refill in the background. But, yeah, so I think that like, I think sometimes these guys who are cast as The Bachelor They just are dicks outside of their format. And also, I mean, like, Summerhouse, like, new guys have historically had a bumpy time on Summerhouse. It's either, like, you don't make enough of an impact and you just kind of fade away, or you are a little bit too kind of, like, strong-minded and people don't like. Like, it's a tricky thing to, like, be a straight guy on summer. I mean, well, there's no other kind of guy on Summerhouse, but it's.

I know. They're like, well, we experimented with Stephen. like a gay for two seasons and they're like, we'll never have a gay person. I do appreciate Stephen and Danielle are still really good friends. Yeah, Stephen's still always hanging around the cast, which is cool. He was at the in the city party and I'm like, that's, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. No, Stephen, um, in the, in the first two seasons, he, uh, we had a nice relationship with him and we, we, we hung out with him,

he came to crap and shows. I went to the summer house. Oh, yeah. And I hung out with him there. We went to parties. He was just a, he was a very lovely guy. You know.

It's crazy that it's been a decade of that show. I know. Because it still feels like they're like the new kids sometimes. Well, they do feel like they're still the new kids. And it also feels like they are just continuing like their assent. Like at this, a decade into Van der Prump rules, you know, the paint was peeling and the, the wood was warping, you know? Right. I do think that's like, obviously the, the like, West and Amanda stuff has been compared to Scandival like endlessly, which is like honestly kind of boring.

but Scandival was almost like the the last gasp of greatness. Right. For Vanderpump where it almost feels like Summerhouse has still been on this upward trajectory. And I think especially for like there's like a demographic of like people in their 20s. And also I feel like more more like men watching Summerhouse than like a lot of other Bravo shows. New York Times just published a whole article about that yesterday about how like Bravo has found the elusive demographic of men, you know, straight men. They're like, should we cast a man on Housewives?

And it's like, that's not the answer. Anytime Bravo has anything like exciting that like a like a single straight man watches something on Bravo, they like release 10 press releases like, we've got straight men watching. We're going to Jerry O'Connell another show now. Hey, Mick B. Dynasty going into its. Oh my God. McBee Dynasty going into a third season while ladies of London is still on the bubble is like

a real travesty. But this is not, this is an injustice in the world. I saw, I, I would never, you know, I would never scoff at an opportunity, but I, I saw they, they flew some people out to Kansas for like a McBee farm press trip. No. It was just like, oh. First of all. I'm so sad that invite didn't find me.

What, like, what am I supposed to do? Like a coal McBee's soybeans? They were like, like, grilling meat. Am I going to, like, ride the combine? I don't know. Actually, that would be fun. But, like, I'm taking a photo inside the, I'm going to take a photo. The octagon.

Thirst trapping on the tractor. Yeah, I know. I'm going to like, I'm going to like serve Christy an oversized latte that she always is drinking. I've obviously watched way too many details. Like, I hate that show. I know everything about it. I have never watched an episode of McBeed Dynasty. It's actually, so here's why it's terrible.

Every time I go off on it, people always think it's like, oh, Ben, you're a liberal. You're a liberal and you don't want to watch some people on the other side of the aisle. Some conservatives of Mereda. It's not that. I think like 75% of people on Bravo are conservative, red state, whatever. They're like, I'm okay. I can compartmentalize. What I don't like about McBee Dynasty is that it was what I think originally like a USA show.

Yes. And so it has the USA aesthetic and pacing and production. And I'm like, I'm watching Bravo and they didn't adapt it for Bravo. It still feels like I could be watching a show on A&E or U.S. It's like that low rent cable thing. Like when you're sitting in the lobby of a Hyatt place and there's like some random ass reality show on with guys who are building something

and I'm like, ugh, this is garbage, you know? Like make it a good show and then I'll like it. You know how I also feel that way about House of Villains being a peacock show now? And I'm like, it's still giving E in a way that it has that stink on it. Yeah, I don't, it's like Bravo is, does such great work. Yeah.

They're like, by far, to me, the best reality show producers. I think Bravo and, like, Peacock, like, original Peacock stuff, you know. But, like, the moment you go over to E, you know, it's like, it's like it falls into the gutter. And honestly, I even would say, believe it or not, controversially, I don't think Netflix is, I think Netflix is a high tier of reality TV in terms of production. Yeah. But I still think that their pacing is a little off. I always feel like they should have edited, like, I'm always watching a shot. on a Netflix reality show and thinking that should have ended three seconds ago, you know,

it's always like, you're getting, it's those granular details that, that most people wouldn't be able to be like pointing out what the issue is, but it just doesn't quite, like, the rhythm is always like a little off on a Netflix show. And also, Netflix reality TV has terrible music cues. They, like, like I was watching, they had a show, I actually really liked. What was the one? It was like a cooking show that came out six months. It was like next-gen cooking or something like that. Sure. I believe you.

Whatever it was. It took place at the CIA Culinary Institute of America. And it's like, you know, very top chefy. They're cooking stuff in the kitchen. And then at one point they're like, okay, well, we've got like an hour left. And they're like cooking. And then they start playing this like selling sunset music that's like, just trying to get it dawn during the day.

I'm like, what is this music? Like, who is paying attention? Hot nights. Bright lights. Lipstick. I'm a boss. I'm like, you're making a croissant. Yeah, I feel like Bravo.

Bravo uses that kind of music sometimes. But like in the proper place. Yes. And it'll be on like Vanderpump rules when they're like, you know. Transitioning from day to night. A drone set, a drone shot of like sunset. Sunset Boulevard, you know, some heels going by. But like Netflix was doing it literally while chefs were cooking pantries.

And I'm like, this does not make any sense. Like if Rhode Island, if Real Housewives of Rhode Island had like selling sunset music in every episode, I would be turning up my nose at it. I know who would love that. Rosie probably. She's like, finally. She's like, I got to shazam this. What is this?

You know that she listens to all that selling sunset in her special music just for fun? There was a time. I haven't watched Selling Sunset in a few years. Like, since like the Christine days, I kind of was like, I'm done. Yeah. But there was a time. I think it was like deep in pandemic times when I found like the selling sunset playlist on Spotify.

And I was like kind of fun. Yeah. Selling Sunset is probably my favorite Netflix reality show. I just never could get into Love is Blind or all the other ones. No, I don't really. They're fine. Dating shows are tough for me. Like, I have gotten into Love Island because I enjoy the communal experience and kind of

the like, almost like psychosis of, we're all going to do this for the next six weeks. A hundred percent. It feels like a cultural moment where we all come together and discuss it. disgusting. But when it's like love is blind or too hot to handle or any of those shows and it's like, oh, do you want to spend your whole weekend binging this on Netflix? I'm like, no, I don't. I don't.

And again, it's like the love is blind. Those episodes are just like a little too long. And I mean, you know, Love Island is also, like these episodes are a little too long. Yes. They need to, like, I know it's a hit show. We need to ran it in a little bit. But I just always find like the tempo on these Netflix shows are somehow just like not quite right. Like I could not get into Bling Empire

because I felt like, I don't know, the vibes are off and that's I think just like the Netflix aesthetic. I think they actually want those weird transitions and tempos. I think also something that I find and I've, this has bothered me also with Secret Lives of Mormon Wives

is I think with Bravo the weekly cadence of these shows really is important. I actually agree 100%. And that for a show like, you know, for a housewives show that is going to have a season and reunion that's like

18, 20 episodes, you're spending five months with that group. You really build up. And you're developing and you're reacting and your opinions are shifting and changing and people on social media, podcasts, or whatever. Like it's, there's this whole kind of like ecosystem that is like a, a long-term relationship. Whereas like with something like Bling Empire,

I remember I watched and enjoyed it for a couple seasons. It's like, oh, that was a, that was a fun weekend. When did I watch that? I don't remember. Like, what was that? And like the, it doesn't really build the community. Yeah. The way that like these, these weekly shows do because you have a whole week of, you listen to podcast, you talk with your friends, you just see it last night. I'm going to watch this weekend. It's like, like, there's like discussion that sort of like flows over the course of the week that also contributes to sort of the intrigue. And, you know, when you, when you just sit and you binge a show, all at once. Maybe like, oh my God, did you see that show this weekend? It was so good. You

should watch. You should watch it. But by the next weekend, it's a new thing. You've already forgotten about it. And honestly, for me as a podcaster, and I'm sure as you feel the same way, too, like, Ronnie and I on Crappins, some of these shows, we would love to recap them. Like, Selling Sunset, we recapped actually one or two seasons, but we don't, we would do a selling sunset episode like once every week. Right. And so by the time we get to the end of the selling sunset season, it's been eight weeks since it aired and no, cares anymore. So it's actually really aggressive against podcasters who want to do like a weekly recap. Yeah. Podcasting matters. Podcasting matters, but it really actually does matter for them.

Yes. Because it does keep the conversation going. It does drive interest. So I think like, um, I did watch the first episode of, um, what was the Palm Beach one with the old bitties from Palm Beach. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I actually loved it. See there. See, McPee people. I love it. Members only Palm Beach. Was it a members only? Invite only. Invite only cabbo. It was a great show on Bravo. I think it was member. Can you look that up?

It was a members only? Members only maybe. Probably members only. But whatever it was, I thought that one was good because you know what? I think they were trying really hard to capture the Rony vibes, old school Rony vibes. So they were, I felt like the rhythm was better on that show. But that one, they just, they drop it all on December 29th. I would have loved to have covered that. There's just, but it's just, that's not realistic for us.

Right. And if, and if people miss the first week that it's out, then they're kind of like, they just don't go back. They forget about it or it feels like there's no point. There's something else. Yeah. And with Bravo, it's like, even if you're not watching every single show that's on Bravo, if there's even just two or three franchises that you like, you could have the full year

where there's always a show on. Yeah. That is on Bravo that you're watching. And you're a permanent viewer. Yeah, exactly. retention just seems stronger. And quite frankly, I actually hate binging TV shows. I hate it.

I hate having to, like, sit down and be like, okay, I'm going to now spend eight hours watching this show or a whole weekend. I, like, I get restless. I want to watch one or two episodes max at a time, unless the first season of the traders, when they put it all at all at once. Oh, yeah. I did just sit there and watch it all in one day. And, like, I get the value of binging and maybe being like a, maybe being like a TV podcaster.

I'm just like not as interested as when the weekend. comes just sitting down and just like watching but like I know a lot of people do but for me I actually like the piecemeal experience because then I can kind of like watch different things I can like watch a little bit this watch a little bit that but then if I miss if there's something that's like oh my god I have to dedicate eight hours my time I'm like oh I didn't get to see it well okay I'll get around to it yeah the barrier to entry is I don't know when I'm going to carve out those eight hours you know yeah that was the best decision they ever made to put traders as like a weekly that was yeah that was and cut out the normal people

Yeah, and like, Caspager Parks. You know, I think it's good. Yeah, he needs the normies. I think it's good that they do like, you know, three episodes, like a nice little, you can have like a mini bin. Yes. That's fine.

I'm down with that. But like, you know, like, I think, I think Netflix needs to start spreading their stuff out weekly for sure. I mean, I don't know why no one's like following just Bravo's way of doing it. I know. You know? They don't want to. They don't.

They don't. They're stupid. I don't know. Well, okay, getting back, I want to talk. I want to steer back to summer house a little bit. So we're, we're in reunion land. And In The City has also been on for a few weeks now. How have you felt about the like combo of reunion happening while we're also supposed to be meeting Yvonne and Georgina and Kenny and Gavin?

A hundred percent on board. I am the only thing I'm maybe not quite as I'm on board with is on the flashback subway transition on in the city where every time they flashback, it's like you're looking at. the window of a subway car. I'm like, I don't know what post-production person like spent their weekend building that. But I mean, I'm gonna grow to love it. When they take it away, I'll be like, what happened to the subway thing?

But I think it's great. I love how, I love moving into the world in the city. I think in the city is fantastic. I'm already just like totally sold on this cast. I love the energy. I love the vibe. I love the world that they're showing us.

It's sort of like, bougie, you know, you know, late 30s. Like, it's like, it's like the more sophisticated version of the Valley. And I actually really like this dual thing. I thought this past week when, I don't know when this is going to air, but the latest episode I saw

was that we had the scene where Amanda West and Sierra, when he got pizza. And we see Amanda talking about it like, my best friends. And then it like, there's glitches and stuff. And then it's like, Amanda from May. And she's like now commenting on her like commentary. bizarre, but at that point, West was just a friend.

Just a friend. But yeah, I'm totally down with it. I do think, yeah, I feel like the last couple weeks, I'm like, I'm not, my attention is too divided where I'm like, the reunion feels so much more important than like episode two of In the City. It does. But I'm almost excited for Summer House to wrap up this week and, and feel like, okay, now we have however many more episodes of In The City.

to really like sink our teeth into. Yeah. Because so far I will say like the new people on in the city, I don't dislike them, but I'm just like not now. Right. Mommy's busy. I get that.

I totally get that. And I think that like most, the crux of the drama has really been with like people we've already met and this guy Kenny. But I think like I think it's going to be good. I think we, I love the how this is. I think it's the first time we've had like a well-positioned spin-off that's also going,

we're going to like track a scandal across two different franchises. Yeah. It's really cool. Yeah, I was when the summer house shit was first hitting the fan a couple months ago, I was a little bit nervous for how in the city would exist in this new world where I'm like, is all the stuff that was filmed in the fall going to feel kind of irrelevant now that we know things have changed. But watching it, I am like, okay, no, there's,

first of all, there's more going on on the show than just Kyle and Amanda or just, you know, a few scenes that West filmed. But also, it's like, as that, you know, dedicated viewer and that, like, you know, analyst or whatever, it's like, it's really juicy

to watch all the different interactions. And, you know, Amanda and Kyle fighting on the sidewalk outside of couples therapy. It's like, okay, this feels important still. Yeah and like I mean we're in a time of dramatic irony which is when you know what's going to happen but the characters don't and like look we are a society that like lives and breathes the white lotus we know someone gets murdered we don't know who but someone's going to get murdered and now we have like scandals where we see where the scandal's happening but it's unfolding in

real time before like anyone knows and it's like really fun it's really fun to actually have like a little bit of a spoiler like I don't know do you watch Survivor I do like honestly I was not mad when Jeff Proops messed up the firemaking challenge, mainly because I can't stand Rizzo. And I was like, I was like, I hate the firemaking challenge every single year. I agree. Because it's like, first of all, I don't like watching people make fire. Second of all, I find to be very stressful because it's just like, it's too unpredictable.

And if I have someone who I either really hate or I really love, I don't like the fire being the, the desire. I want like, I don't know. It's like too unpredictable for me. And it like, it's so stressful. So knowing going into that challenge that Rizzo was going to lose. and I could just watch it from a place of like, oh, I can't wait to see this unfold,

was really, like, satisfying to me in much the same way as it's satisfying to watch in the city knowing that this scandal is quietly brewing in the background. True, yeah, I think that's, and that was kind of what the last, you know, several episodes of Summer House this season were like, too, where it's like, oh, now I'm watching this with a new, you know, prescription in my glasses

and all of those interactions that would have been just kind of throw away things. I'm like, hmm. Yeah, now it's like, oh, like, what does that mean? Yeah. By the way, you know who I think is the real victim in this Summer House situation is the valley. I think it's like, yeah, I think airing the valley at the same time as Summerhouse is, first of all, I don't think it's the smartest thing because I think the shows are totally, it's like East Coast, West Coast. And I think airing them at the same time, I think, like Summer House will make the valley look,

almost irrelevant because it feels like summer house these are like it feels like there's just like more stuff going on and the people have more stuff going on in their lives they come to the city they're like moving and shaking they got careers and then you go to the valley and they're just all languishing there in you know van nyes or valley village just like with their babies Santa Clarita it feels like when you turn on the valley everyone was like oh my god the season so bad the second episode people were like the season sucks I actually don't think the season sucks I think it's a perfectly fine season. But I think that like going from the world of Summerhouse to the valley just make the valley feel like, you know.

It's, yeah, it's hard because it's a lot of like we're sitting in our big empty houses. Yeah. Crying about our bad marriages. Bad marriages. We don't have jobs. And I, yeah, it does feel like even if every episode of Summerhouse or in the city or whatever isn't like an all-timer, there's just a little bit more energy. there and it's tough because I gotta say right now I'm a

few weeks behind on the Valley like I just and every week I'm like oh I should catch up on that and it feels like the least important thing happening right now where are you on the Valley do you know do you remember? Have they gone to San Diego? I think I'm like mid San Diego trip okay that's I think that's actually really where this season starts to pick up

because Danny has now emerged as like the big villain and like the show just was like a little rudderless without its villain and now that there is a villain, I'm finding that, like, the chatter has picked up, people's interest in it has picked up. So, like, and I think they actually had, like, good ratings, right? I think they had, like, a, I may be remembering that incorrectly, but I think they had, like, a, well, I think it's, it's, it's one of those shows where it's like, it's a, it's a pretty sturdy show for Bravo, I think, at this point. And so even if they don't have the world's most splashy, you know,

headline grabbing season, that's okay. Not every season of every season. every show is going to be like that. But it is just, I think the summer house contrast. And also, I got to say, I loved the Valley Persian style. Yeah, that was great. And it was so, it felt like it had so much more like just juice than the Valley right now. The Valley Persian style was interesting because it felt like those were all adult. This Valley feels like they are like the same age.

But for some reason, they still feel like they are like 23 just now cosplaying as adult. It's weird. It's a totally thing. And I think actually if we really drill down, because I mean, that's what we're here to do is really get to the heart of it. I think summer house and in the city is aspirational. And I don't think the valley is aspirational.

Like, meaning, like, wouldn't it be nice to have a sharehouse in the Hamptons for the summer? Where you go to the Hamptons every weekend and hang out by the pool and party and then get drunk and you have, you fight, but whatever. And then you have in the city, you come back in the city, I have all these people in this, like, fabulous fall layers.

and they're going to these chic bars and like, oh, here's this, it's a doctor, like a dermatologist and someone who worked in PR, like they're all kind of doing, like, S1BC, they're all kind of like, you know, it's like, yes, this has not represent New York. This is a very specific section, but there is like a little bit of an aspirational,

unspoken aspirational thing, whereas on the Valley, there's nothing else, there's truly nothing aspirational there. Right, like even if you don't have a house as big as the people on the Valley, you're not really being presented as like, this is luxurious or this person has a booming career. Like honestly, I'm like, okay, so like, Jesse and Michelle are real estate.

Janet. Danny is a Disney channel, but he does voiceovers. He does voiceovers. Jason is, Jason's a lawyer. Lawyer. I don't know what he does. He's so hot. I feel like no one, I feel like for like two and a half years.

I've been like, guys, Jason is like the hottest guy on Bravo. Yeah. Especially last year people were like, ooh, no, Jason's the worst. I'm like, say what you. Say what you will about him. He is the hottest guy in Bravo. Like, the Valley is not about hustling at all.

It's not, you know, it's like, the careers are, like, are so secondary. The only time it ever really comes into play is if, um, sometimes Michelle Lolly will mention, like, I sold a house and yes, he didn't. You're like, okay, but like,

because even if, if, I think that's kind of core to the show because on Summerhouse and now on in the city, they've always put in the, the Kairons, like people's jobs. And so for Sierra, for years it was like nurse slash model yeah you know for Lindsay it would be like PR whatever and now it just says influencer right and like

even on in the city I think they're still doing that like Danielle CEO and founder yeah found her like it's like that is how people are like identified it's like oh like and what's her thing whereas like on the valley it's just like Brittany Janet yeah and like mama there's nothing wrong with any of the lives that they lead in terms of career wide yeah And we know they have jobs or whatever. But like the show is really kind of just like, oh, how does a group of people who are in their 20s, like friends in their 20s and party all the time, now they have kids, how do they deal with it? Right.

And it's like, okay, like seeing how they deal with it and like the darkness of what's supposed to be like they're happily ever after and how it's like increasingly dark for so many of them. But like in the city, whatever, everyone still is just sort of, it's more like just how do I deal with this chapter of my life living in a city like in an urban, in an urban healthcape, you know, where there's like. I have a baby. How do I have a baby in a place like New York? It's not about like we used to be young and fun and now we have babies. It's like... How do I leave my husband in a place like this?

Yeah. So I think it's just like it's really hard when you have something like Summer House on and then like Bravo asks you within a day to pivot over to the valley. And especially when I don't know if Ladies of London was also airing at the same... I think the end of the Ladies of London and the Valley

Yeah, it overlapped. And ladies in London was massively aspirational. That one was like aspirational letter A. So you have like, you have a show that was on for like 10 weeks that was like as posh as it could be. You have Beverly Hills on. You have all these shows.

And then the valley, like right in the middle of the schedule is like, welcome to the sadness of Santa Clarita. It's like coming to our depression haze. And it's like also like Wednesday, it's like the valley and then Southern Hospital. It's like a two for one. Unaspirational. But Southern hospitality is like unaspirational in a fun way.

Yeah, it is. It's like, oh, but we're all drunk. It's okay. We're young and hot. There is actually something aspirational because it's like, oh, God, I do wish I could have those silly times again. I wish I could be DJ Maddie Reese. I know. I wish I could open up a rooftop experience of some sort with Joe Bradley.

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to make memes of, to react to. Like it has really been like a best case scenario for a first season show, I think. Yeah, I, when it first came on, I was like not as hyped on it as everyone else was. I liked it. but at this point I'm like totally down I think it's actually really really really good and I think it has the same trajectory and vibe as Salt Lake City the first season first season of Salt Lake City I also liked quite a bit but I didn't like as much as everyone else people like oh my god amazing but I still thought it was like a little slow but by the end of that season also really good so I think Rhode Island is having like a really fantastic debut season and I think I mean maybe maybe with the exception of Rula just because she has not been um in class a lot. Yeah, Rula,

this is like, she'll show up once every few weeks. A lot of unexcused absences. I mean, I heard that she was originally supposed to be a friend of and then because of Brian,

she got bumped up to me. Right, but it does feel like everybody on that cast is, they feel, they feel like they fit together, but they also are all such different flavors.

That it's like, wow, it's a very rich experience of, I'm sure, I mean, I'm sure you and, Ronnie have had a lot of fun inhabiting

Oh my god With the accent And honestly all those accents Like Alicia talking about a cracker I just want a cracker I just I'm really saying I got to go pizza mama and get a cracker

In fact I'm gonna try to go to pizza mama Next week So I'm still gonna be here on the East Coast I'm gonna drive up to Rhode Island I think and try to go to pizza mama And that's aspirational That's chandeliers Chandeliers

That's what you want to have Chandeliers There's never been a girly pizza restaurant Never in the history of pizza. But I think, yeah, it's, I feel like it's really, it's really good. I was a little concerned when I saw the cast because, like, Kelsey's 30. I kind of feel like 30 is really young to be a real housewife. Like, that's younger than like several people on Summer House.

Right. And I was like, Kelsey's young, Rosie's young, Ashley. I was like, is this going to be good? Because I need my housewives to be a little older. I need them to be campy. And, you know, young girls are just not campy. same way that an old woman is. Well, I think it's also...

Older woman, I should say, not an old woman, but older woman. We need hags. Honestly, I would be down for hags. Like, I would love, like, a 67-year-old real housewife. Right. Like, Alicia's aunt could be a real housewife, and you would be like, perfect.

I would be totally happy. I love it. I feel like the older, the real housewives are, the funnier they are, the more interesting they are. When they've already, like, their kids have gone off to school, the divorces have been had, and they can just, like, focus on themselves.

that is the best version of the real housewife. When they're like 31 and they're talking about having babies and they have the babies and then they think they're so fascinating because they had a revelation that like, oh my God, I didn't want a babies, but now I love having a baby. It's like to me it's so uninteresting

because it's the same, it's the same thing every single time. Yeah, well, I think... Also, it's like the age is one thing, but there's also kind of the vibe of people who are like millennials, you know, millennials on down that they approach something like a reality TV opportunity

in a different way than somebody who's 55 and it's like I guess that could be fun and so like I think that was kind of with the with the Roney reboot a few years ago there was sort of that question of like what is like influencer housewives

really look like and of course Roney is a whole other my favorite thing is the way on every podcast or sometimes every article, it's almost like, we will all go out of our way. The moment we have a chance to to point out how much of a failure the Rony reboot was, it's like my favorite thing. It's kind of like the, it's like the shining example, but like not shining. Yeah, it's like, because like, you know, like ladies of London comes along and everyone's like, this is what the Roney reboot should have

been. And like in the city, you know, it's like, oh my God, this is, this is already 10 times better than anything that Roney tried to do, like Rhode Island. It's like, you watch like a commercial for something. Like, this is better than the Rooney reboot. But like it's, the truth is, it's like, somehow that Rooney reboot just missed on so many different levels. It's shocking. Somebody like, somebody like a Rosie could be in that sort of danger zone of,

oh, she's, she's young. She's, she's just kind of establishing her life as like, you know, married, building the house. Do we have babies, whatever. Yeah. And she's like former newscaster now kind of doing her own video, whatever. Like, that all could. add up to somebody who is like really just like obnoxious and not very additive to like a show.

But the specific way that she handles her business, let's say, has turned out to be like, I think quite entertaining on TV. First episode, I thought Rosie was going to be like one of the problems. I was like, she's going to be a problem for this show because she was bouncing around on those sneakers. She was all pink. And then they had that fight at the beach where it was like, oh, it's Kelsey. Swinger.

Oh, this is someone who's like trying so hard to be a reality star. But she's actually proven to be really strong. I think that Rosie is one of the strongest because she, she sort of has this vibe of like, like really? I have to talk to you. Like, and I think it's great. And then her whole fight, but the slam big fight was, what was good about that fight was it felt like a, it felt like a real fight.

Yes. You know, it wasn't like a, I'm going to have a scene. It was like, she was like genuinely really pissed off. She was really pissed off. And then I think, you know, I would say she, I would say she won that, that fight. She did. But then you could, when Kelsey had been sort of pushed out the door and had to go back in and say, by the way, I won the pageant, fair and square.

Like the emotion that compelled Kelsey to go back in that house was so raw. Because she has so few wins in her life. She's like, wait, I only have three wins. You can't take away 30% of them. And I liked that in that moment, it was like, You could tell nobody was like, and seen. Like they were really stewing. And then for, you know, a couple episodes after that, it's like, and we're still kind

of like in that same spiral. And, you know, her showing up to Audrey's with the slam pig pageant sash. She's joie. She's grace. She's Miss Slamp Pig United States. And then we have, you know, the painting. Yeah. Yeah, the painting.

Do we think that Ashley is going to be a one and done housewife? I was thinking about this. And to me, I would have said maybe yes, but I actually think because this season has been so strong, and I think it seems like the network is very pleased with how it's doing. They gave it the like early renewal. You know, we're getting a reunion. I feel like they are going to try to just preserve as all the pieces and just run it back.

So I feel like if they, They were more like, okay, season two, we'll think about it and come back in a few months and maybe Ashley. Unless Ashley says, this isn't for me, I'm done. Which you would never do. I don't think so. I don't think Bravo is going to be like incentivized to mess with it. But at the same time, you know, it's a very, very large cast and they're able to get away with it because honestly Rula is working remotely. I got another headache.

I had to go to the hospital. It was very hard. I'm still on the mend, thank you. I'm still on the end. It's very hard for me. But like, you know, if Rula, if the rumors are true that Rula was part-time and then they promoted her because of scandal and if she comes back as a full-time, like a true full-time housewife next season, it's a lot of people full-time.

It is. I don't know if they'll be able to have all those people. And Ashley is, I mean, Ashley seems nice, but I feel like she's on a different show. That's the problem I get. Like, she's just sort of there. she's got her kids, she's got Audrey's. I mean, Audrey's has become like a funny, to me, punchline of this like,

this sad, stupid coffee shop slash bar. I think it's, to me, it's like, obviously the way that she, you know, handles conflict and stuff is not the same as the other women. You know, you have like dark Liz. I know. And Ashley's like, what's going on?

But I, the stuff with Audrey's, it's like compared to everything that everybody else has going on, it does feel like you're sort of being like pulled out of the rhythm. And then it's like, so the coffee shop, we're, we're breaking even, we're making, we are making money, but it's not a lot. There's like no stakes in any of your stuff. Oh, it's like, okay. So like do it or don't. Like, are you going to resign the lease? I don't know. Like, and I think like compared to every scene with Alicia, whether it's dramatic or funny or upsetting, every scene with Joe Ellen, everything else feels like it has a real

verve to it. Whereas the stuff with Ashley Jordan, it's kind of like, okay. Yeah. I mean, Kelsey is also like a little bit of a bubble one for me. I think Kelsey's sort of come alive a little bit more here, but, you know, she's like, I think Kelsey is fine. She's like a little generic.

But she's, you know, like the slam pig stuff, you know, she's been a little feisty now, which is good. But, yeah, I think Ashley, she seems very nice. I think it's very funny when she cries. But like, yeah, I agree. there's no I don't know

she just sort of feels like a little generic yeah and I'm I'm curious like obviously we're watching stuff that was filmed summer fall of last year and there's been a lot of time since then and I'm

I would hope that maybe Ashley has like kept up these relationships and gotten a little bit more ingrained in the like fabric of the community or whatever but like I don't I don't know if that's been happening.

And I think what could be tough is like, let's say they go back to filming for season two in like August or something. If Ashley hasn't really spent time with anyone but Rosie in the last eight months, I think it's going to feel a little bit like, okay, again, like she's still the new girl. Yeah. And, you know, there is like a pretty big age gap between, like Liz is 56, or at least when they shot this 56. Yeah. And Kelsey's 30.

That's like, I mean, 26 years, that's a very big gap. And then, like, you know, when you're, like, I'm not really friends with anyone who's 26 years younger than me right now. I'm 47, so I'm not like really, that'd be like my nephew. And, like, I mean, I love my nephew and I can chat with them and everything. But, like, you know, I think there's, like, a joy in watching people of the same peer group relate to each other in a way that they just, they talk each other's language. And so when you have these like these big spans of ages, it could be tricky, which by the way, is like shocking that Rhode Island works so well, given that like you have like older women and younger women all sort of mashed up and having to pretend to be friends.

Yeah. And it's especially with Kelsey because she's, she's so much younger than some of the other women in the cast, but also she's telling us that she has basically spent the last 10 years in this state of arrested development because she hasn't had to do anything for herself. And she's just now like, oh, maybe I maybe I can. can make money. And it's like most people spend their 20s figuring out how to make money. Yeah. By the way, I'm still so haunted by like this really brief shot from like two weeks ago at the top of the episode. We know when they show like this is what's happening around the state.

And they showed Kelsey like putting like she put her foot, her bare foot into the garbage to smash it down. I don't know if that's a thing that people do. And I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm like, you're putting your bare foot into the garbage like a like a garbage compressor. I was like, tell me you've never done a single chore in your life without telling me. I was like, this is not how it's done. You tie it up and you throw it out and you start a new bag. Right. Maybe she can have Bill come over and show her how to do the garbage.

I know. I was like, what do you do with your foot? And then you're going to walk around with your garbage foot. Your garbage foot is walking all around your house now. Maybe Bill likes that. Maybe. I don't know. Like that was like, I lost so much respect for her.

Yeah. They've had such a, such a buzzy first season that I, am interested to see kind of like how the, how the tone changes in season two, also knowing that they're going to have, you know, they're going to know that people like them and they're going to have attention. And Alicia's going to be the fan favorite. And Liz is going to be, you know, whatever's happening with that. It seems like she's now a villain.

Can't really tell. It cracks me up that like Liz does not understand why people always think that she's scary. I'm like, you're scary. You were screaming at Joellen or you were angry at Joellen with a giant. smile on your face. That is scary. He's like, oh, really? That's how you think. Oh, yeah, real piece of shit. Stop smiling. That's scary.

I kicked your chair. I kicked your chair. I kicked your chair. I was being physical. It's not what you say. I'm like, stop. I know. And I am, that's always interesting. Because like a first season, like they haven't done this before. It'll be interesting to see at the reunion and into next season. Like, is there a little bit of a learning curve of like, oh, I should handle a situation like this in a different way?

so that I come across, and I don't want them to do too much of that, like, self-editing, but also, like, sometimes you just kind of, like, realize, like, oh, I seem like an asshole. Yeah, you know, sophomore seasons are really, that's really where the shows are made or broken. Because if a cast comes back with their sophomore season and they're, like, really aware of, like, how they came off and they're trying to course correct, they fall into trouble there. It's all about, like, just continue being yourself, whether you like it or not, because, like, that's what the audience responded to. Look at how many people have flamed out on their second seasons. Megan King Edmonds, season two, season one, it's not that she was great, but she definitely was like a valuable contributor to the show.

She provided a service. Yeah, season two, it just became about her, you know, shooting, like, hormones into her stomach. I can't think of any other flame ads. I don't know why Megan King Edmins became my, like, flameout queen. Camille Grammer, famous two-season housewife. Was she only two seasons? Only full-time two seasons, yeah. Yeah.

Although, what the, I mean, to be fair, people, loved her second season. But she, she, like, pivoted a lot. She did a big pivot. She did a big pivot. But, like,

happens a lot. A lot of times people were like, great, their first season. And then they're just so mediocre, their next season. Yeah. Because they're so concerned

about how they're coming up. And then you're like, okay, never mind. It's, it's tricky. We have a lot of second season house highs on Atlanta, too. And I think I've been really

enjoying Atlanta this season. Atlanta's been great. I think this is their strongest season in years. Right. I think Atlanta has been in, like, the longest slump. And I think like Shamiya's wearing me out, you know, and I liked her last season.

I feel like I'm on her side because I can imagine that it's like really hard to be friends with someone like Porsche probably does take like. Shemia probably like Porsche probably takes a lot. Yeah. Right. A lot of energy from her friends. And Shumia is probably like exhausted by it and she just wants people to see her for her. And with that being said, I'm like, and she wants people to see that ass. I know.

But like I'm like she's so annoyed. Yeah. Like she's such like the theater kid and she's just like... Well, and I think it's been, it's been funny to see like in the last, you know, handful of weeks where people are going up against Angela. And I think a lot of these women don't take Angela seriously in like real life. Yeah. As a business woman, whatever.

And so they don't also realize that she is very good at being a housewife. Yeah. And it's like, okay, I get why you might think she's like a flop. at her career, real estate, selling homes, whatever. But it's like, oh, she's going to destroy you in this argument. Yeah, no, Angela has, like, some amazing ability. She just sort of has, like, a slow burn. She just sort of, like, so low-key, but is, like, so great.

And she brushes a lot of things off of her in a way that is impressive. And she's savvy. I mean, she just came into the season, like, oh, I should not be beefing with Phaedra. We need to be buddies. And they just, she's like, oh, yeah, so by the way, yeah, sorry about that. Okay, we're friends now. And then you just have, like,

Kelly and you have Shemia where I feel like they're trying hard to have issues or whatever. I really enjoy Kay and Michelle just because she's so paranoid. I'm enjoying watching her get so mad at people over stuff that she's hatched in her own head. It's a really interesting thing to watch because like that one episode, the last, the last episode of the Dallas trip was just very like, it felt like we were watching like a, you know, some sort of like psychological, you know, thriller. like, is this all in her head? Is there, is the killer real? And the oysters, she was all, she was all caught up on those oysters. And so now, like, watching the group come back and sort

of like figure out what the second half of this season is going to look like, it's like, oh, like, where is this going to net out? Because obviously she and Portia are like, all over each other, you know, at each other's throats on social media and stuff. So we know that they don't, like, become besties later in the season. But it's like, it is, I think Kayeischel is a really interesting presence because, she she's so different than just like a new person that got cast on housewives right yeah i well i think that like it's interesting because when she came onto the show she was talking a lot about how you know i've been in these girl groups before aka tv shows and she's like and i bring a lot she

basically like i have a lot of trauma from these girl groups and like this is the funniest trauma like you know normally real housewives trauma is like my dad wasn't there for me we moved around a lot hers is like oh i've been on a bunch of these reality shows and people treat me like shit, I don't like it. And I thought, oh, God, that's, that's, like, really grasping at straws. But actually, she really does have trauma for it because she is, like, I think she's trying to get ahead of, you know, storylines of people coming against her. And she's, like, she's, like, trying to be ready for it. Like, you're not going to fool me.

You're not going to catch me off guard. I know what you're trying to do. And you're not going to, like, you're not going to ambush me at the dinner party because I already know what you're up. She's like, and all those people, you know who you are. And they're like, no, we have no idea. I'm like, I think that like half the stuff she's getting is from like a messy, like a glam squad person. She, she needs Drew's team. They're not messy at all.

They're not messy at all. Do you think that Drew's going to get a spin off from her? That felt like it was a back to a pilot. A little bit. A little bit and it should have, I should have hated it and I loved it. Because the thing is this, Drew, to me, like, Drew is so fraudulent. Like she's like does nothing but lie and like massage the truth. You never know what she's saying if it's real or not.

And so then she has, you have, you have Drew who is pretending to be like she is Miranda Priestley, you know. She's a mogul. Yeah, like, she's a mogul. And you're like, you know, you're Drew Sodorah. And I don't believe anything you say in the first place. And then you got this messy, unnecessary large team of people that just like a photographer that's just on staff for Drew Sodorah. I met her stylist at an event once. And I was like, she always looks amazing.

She does look great. She's beautiful. But she's, I was like, wow, she really is. I think there's nothing about her being with her whole team. I was like, wow, she really is gorgeous. She really is like the star here. But like, yeah, I think it would be hilarious watching. It just feels like it would be a bunch of people just like running into each other.

Gay guys yelling at each other about lace lifting on a wig. Yeah, like people don't really necessarily know what they're doing. Somebody gets fired at the end of every episode, but then they're back the next week. Yeah, if it's like, it'd be like Keystone cops, except instead of cops, they'll be like Keystone. The Apprentice, but with Drew Sedora. Oh my God, the dumb Prentice. I wouldn't need it. The Drew Prentice.

I would, I would, I do like, Drew Sadorra, there was a period of time where I was like, why are they giving her another season? She was sort of in the Gina camp for me, Jenny Kirshiniter game. Yeah. Where I was like, why is she getting another season, Drew? But now I think that she really has earned her spot. She's just messy. She's diluted. She's beautiful.

And I don't know. And I think she also, she can, she can argue with anybody. She can. It's usually not too deep. Yeah. And now she has this whole situation with Ralph that's unfolded in a bad way for her. Never getting out of the basement. The fact that she has Ralph in the basement is three years in a row.

So funny. But then it turns out he has like a Lux basement down there. Yeah. It's funny. Right. He has like a, there's like the basement and then if you go down one more level, there's like gold plate in something. I know.

Ralph, talk about it. He's like mining dial. Diamond's in the basement. She has no idea. He's looking for a shirt. Well, I feel like we're at a good time on Bravo. Yeah, I think everything on Bravo right now is really good. Like, there's nothing I don't like on Bravo right now. And we have O.C. is coming so soon.

I'm excited for O.C. I liked the last season way more than other people did. I enjoyed it. I thought it was really good. Yeah, I'm excited. Vicki's in you back. You know, Orange County's had like a little bit of a revolving door of like bringing back like old cast members, we had Gretchen, we had Gretchen, and Alexis, I think there was someone, Taylor Armstrong. Yeah. I kind of feel like, don't, don't tease me with it.

Like, if you're going to bring back someone, like, let them stay a little bit. Yeah, it's been a lot of like, oh, exciting. This person's back. And it's like, but why? Yeah, but it's like, like, if you're going to make, if you're going to force this hype train down my throat, like, keep them around. Yeah.

You know? It worked. Or develop new talent. It worked with, with Heather and with Tamara, a few, you know, you know, further back and we'll see about Vicky. Yeah. I still don't know. Gina and Emily.

I just don't understand that. I don't understand that. So you're doing, you're doing cabaret. Yes, I actually am doing, so it's called Forbidden Housewives. Yes. And we are, Ronnie and I are basically singing Broadway songs in the style of various Bravo Leopardes and Housewives. In fact, I do sing a song as Gina Christian Hider, her son.

incredible um so we had our first show on wednesday at the green room 42 and it was so fun i was so nervous because like you know i'm a podcaster not necessarily a cabaret person and we just had so much fun up there on stage well you guys you've you've dipped your toe you've done the musical numbers at the the golden crappies yes yeah yeah we you know we definitely ronnie comes from like a musical theater background okay so this is like definitely his wheelhouse for me i mean i had the Joseph, an amazing technical dream coat soundtrack as a kid. But like, and I played a variety of trees and stationary objects in school plays. But I, but like this is great because the truth is that Ronnie and I are both hams.

Yeah. We both love just to make people laugh and be silly or whatever. And so Ben Rimmelauer famously of Countess the Wands cabaret. He reached out to us because he runs the room at 3 room 42 and he was like, do you guys want to do a cabaret? And we're like, sure. It's a good, it's a good venue too. It's like intimate, very like warm. Yeah.

Yeah. It was great. So like the audience was, audience was wonderful. I mean, we definitely like mess up some things here or there. And the audience like was just like, it's exciting.

They had us. You guys have done so many of your live shows and people love, love them so much. It's fun to, to experiment with something new. It is. And it's like cool to do like a small venue, an intimate venue.

And it's also cool because, like, we're streaming it, which is nice so people can all see it. Yeah. Go to watchwrappins.com. But we're also, but we're not recording it, like, in the sense of, like, it's not going on our podcast feed.

It's just like a, it's kind of like, we're doing three shows total, and once they're done, they're done. And it's kind of, like, fun to do something that's sort of like in the moment and then it goes. I mean, we're going to, we might release the video on Patreon, but it's not going to be part of like a... Never say never. I know, never say never. Guys, it can be a 10-part series.

But, like, it's just, it's not a podcast. So we didn't have to say, oh, my God, did we get the audio with the audio? Yeah, yeah. We go, we perform. It's about an hour and five minutes or hour and ten minutes. And then it's done. And, oh, the best part about our show on Wednesday, the curtain was at seven. I think we had to hold curtain because people still weren't.

Yeah. The room wasn't totally full. Started like 7, 10 or whatever. By the time the show was over, it was like 8.20 p.m. There was still sun in the sky. I was like, oh my God, this is amazing. It's not 10.30 p.m. I can, like, get like, a good dinner.

It was great. I love that. Congrats on the new show. Thank you very much. And, you know, I always love to see what you guys are doing. And congrats to the New York Knicks on winning game one. And hopefully. Hell yeah.

By the time people are listening to this, I think it'll be like three games in. So hopefully it's not depressing. I hope I can curse it because I'm a lifelong Knicks fan. Okay. So you're wearing this hat. That's why I'm saying it. To anyone who might be listening on audio. We have to.

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