Mention It All - Tom Girardi Speaks At Last (RHOBH)

Episode Date: September 23, 2021

Bari and Dylan start by breaking down the viral video of Tom Girardi being asked about Erika. Then, they recap the latest RHOBH episode, where Kathy’s Del Mar trip gets off to an uneven start. A wheelchair-bound Sutton debates whether to knock on the door with Erika, while Garcelle still just wants to be understood by the group. Plus, Erika gets an upsetting update about Tom. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Dylan Hafer. Who don't check me, though? And Barry Rosenfeld. I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to sleep week. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer.

And I'm Barry Rosenfeld. And it's podcast Friday. That's true. Wow. It doesn't feel like Thursday. I know in the beginning of the week, we're like, this is the longest week ever. And here we are. Now, you know, now it's just flying by.

I don't know if that's actually true. But we are here on Thursday, obviously talking about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. But the more pressing development besides the episode was this video that is on social media this morning of, you know, a paparazzi video person, you know, saw Tom Girardi in, it looks like a parking lot and was asking him, he was with, you know, some, I don't know who he's with, but he's asking him, like, did Erica know? And the guy doesn't want him to answer the question. And Tom said, I think she does. It's Tom does not look with it. Yeah, I'm sorry. That video was very mean and like should not, like, he doesn't look. well at all. Right. Like, oh God.

The words, the, if you just saw like a transcript, like a, if you just saw it like written down what he said, it would sound very, you know, like incriminating or like it was really like,

oh, he said, I think she does. No. But watching the video, it's like, it's like sad. This,

it's like very debatable whether he even really knows what is going on. Like, I don't, obviously I don't want to, you know, put words in his mouth or like, you know, guess too much on like his condition. But like, we haven't really seen him at all in the last like two years, basically now. And like he does not look. He doesn't look like he's in the same condition he was when we were seeing him on like last season of Beverly Hills.

Right. And like, obviously we'll get to the episode. but in the episode when Erica was saying how her grandmother went through this. Like everyone knows allegedly what goes on once you put someone into a facility like that. And it like breaks you almost. Like that, you're right. That is not the top like that. It was just like not.

It was unfortunate to say, you know, obviously think people are going through worse things. Yeah. I think you can, you can be 100. percent like the Tom did a lot probably maybe did a lot of bad stuff and these victims need their money and everything. But at the same time, that doesn't mean that it's like kind and considerate to like ambush a like dementia to old man in a parking lot and like try and ask him like a gotcha question on camera. And I do think like I don't know the circumstances of this video being made, but like it kind of sucks for Erica.

Because like people are like you know that people some people are going to take this and run with it and be like Tom said Erica new. And it's like, okay. I mean, I like trust me, I'm not I'm not like over here, you know, campaigning for for Erica. But like I don't really think this video like. Is this is a slam dunk? Indicates anything. Yeah. I don't I don't know if it would be admissible in court. Right. It's like, well, Tom said it. Well, Tom doesn't looks like it doesn't know what planet he's on. So he might say a lot of things. He's really old. I mean. How old is he, though? Is he like 82 or is he in the high 80s? No, he's in the low 80s. Oh.

Yeah, he, because he, I remember, yeah, no, he's like 81 or 82, something like that. He's 82. Wow, that's weird that I just threw out 82 and he is 82. 82 is really old, though. I mean, I mean, yes and no. Yes, to still be a lawyer. but like if like someone's grandparent is 82 I feel like it's like low 80s is like I don't know I don't know I guess compared to us it's old I don't I still think of 80s is really old like none

of my grandparents live I guess one of my grandparents live to be 90 but like I don't have any like 100 year old relatives like 82 is old it's all old I mean I'll be happy like if I just like die on a beach when I'm 65. I'll be content. Dylan, that's so sad. Well, I mean, at this point, like, I'm not going to have enough saved to be retired for 30 years. So, like, I might as well just like, I'll take one really nice vacation when I'm like in my 60s. Right. And, you know, okay. If that's it, that's it. Just like, like in 60s is pretty young. So I hope, I hope to everyone that you live longer than that. Also, yeah. Yeah. Yesterday, that's funny because I'm always talking about retiring.

I said we are, it was like one o'clock and I was like, we are half a day closer to retiring. Wow. That's beautiful. Same thing with today. Almost not quite halfway there, but it's 11 AM people on the East Coast. You should start, you should like set a reminder and every day at like 1 p.m. Just put in our like company Slack channel like, hey everyone, half a day. closer to retirement.

Eventually, they'd be like, Barry. On the side, they'd be like cut it out. This is actually supposed to be for like work purposes. It is technically. You can just like tweet that. Hey, everyone, half a day closer to retirement. Hello, world. You scroll your Twitter feed and it's just that every single day.

Oh boy. All right. Let's talk about the real reason we're here. No, retiring is. Yeah, let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's. let's get to the episode. So we're headed to Del Mar. Kathy has planned a girls trip.

Like, thank you, Kathy for this season, by the way. Thank you, Kathy. And Garza. I was thinking about while I was watching this episode, I'm like, Kathy has absolutely fit every definition of a full-time housewife this season. And like, I think it's so funny that she clearly had no interest. Like, she did not want.

want to be a housewife, but like, she had no problem actually, like, doing the job of a housewife. And I think that's, like, a funny. Yeah, it's just, like, funny because normally when we have friends of, it's a lot more like, oh, like, they come to this thing, but not to this thing. Like, they might go on one of the trips, but, like, they, and like, this episode, it's like, we have cameras filming in Kathy's house when nobody else is even there. Like, like, she's really, I mean, she's. She basically, she might as well be a housewife this season.

Yeah. But so, of course, everyone's stressed out about packing to go on this trip because, you know, of course they are. The first 20 minutes of this episode, I was having like, Adjada. First of all, when Doreet called Kathy and Kathy just kept going, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, but she was literally just going through like her lipsticks. And Kathy's like trying on all her makeup while Doreet's like, Doreet's like, Doreet's like, Dore. in the phone like yeah so you know thing garcell is talking and and Kathy's like doing the lip line and like uh-huh uh-huh babe yeah right garret is one of those she can just said this but like derrick you could put the phone down for an hour and you pick it back up and derit would still

be talking 100% derrick kind of to me is like latching on to kathy in a good way but because and kathy knows exactly how to like hey i don't want to say hey i'm handle but handle her. Like even at all the dinners, Kathy is the one who is like, okay, like Doreet, please, Doree.

And she does it this episode too. But I don't know if Doreet is also calling Kathy because she knows Kathy will listen as opposed to like any of the other women who she knows will not listen to her speak. Yeah, I feel like Kathy. I feel like Kathy is very aspirational for Doreet.

Like Doreet likes to think of herself as like, you know, kind of like on the same level of as Kathy, like that's appealing to her. Yeah. And I think Kathy is a little bit like, oh, well, like I like the girl, but I mean. Right, right, right. I mean. Wait. So like they're all caravanning.

They're all meeting at Kyle's house and they're like all taking separate cars for what reason. I don't know because I feel like a few of them definitely could have carpooled. But like them being in Kyle's driveway, reminded me of being at like a wedding venue and like the valet guys are like figuring out what to do with all the cars and they are like running around of course kyle's dogs get out because what episode has that like not happened in where they're like meeting somewhere and like kathy there's like a car stuck in the gate like it was a lot happening kathy leaves her bag at home because like duh and i don't know about you but i was this scene was she couldn't call

because her phone was in her bag. So Kyle called. And it's like, Kathy has so many people working for her in her home that they don't, she doesn't even know her name. So they called the lady, like the lady. And she met them on the 405 in sunset. Like this whole scene was like, holy shit. Wouldn't that have been easier for Kathy to go home and get her bag or probably not

because she would have been there for like a long time? It was a little cringe to me that we kept referring. to this woman as the lady and never, you know, figured out her name or corrected that. Because it's like, to be, it's like a little bit like Ramona Singer and the help. It's like, figure out the woman's name. Like, it's one thing if it takes you a second to remember. But like, they were like labeling her the lady on the, on the screen.

And like when she talked, they like did the caption, the lady. And it's like, it's one thing. Like it was a little funny the first second when she's like, the woman who works at my house, but it's like, I was just going to say that. It was funny at first, but then I was like, wait, how don't you know her name? Like, I almost feel like that's very rude

because she's like your employee. Like you, she works and does all this stuff for you. So they met them. And like when they, when Kyle, this part was cringing to me when Kyle kept going, no, Mrs. Hilton, Mrs. Hilton. I was like, are you guys serious? Like now I was like, what year are we in?

Yeah, I love Kathy's like quirkiness. And I think she's, hilarious, but this was one of those moments where I'm like, it's a little out of touch. Like, well, and then also when later on, again, fast forward when Garcel was like, have you ever walked into a room and felt like, you know, not. And Kathy was like, yes, I have. I was like, Kathy, no. Kathy, without missing a beat.

It's like, yes, I have. And like, I was, I was half expecting Garcel to be like, when. But she got, I mean, Garcel is like more. she's like more cool call and then collected than that. But yeah, we'll get to that. So we go to Del Marr. This hotel is like, it seems like a very like large, grand,

stately kind of hotel. And it seems also like there is no one else staying there. These empty long hallways just, I don't know. I don't love the vibe. It looked beautiful. like I would have no problem staying there. But yeah, first, like I would, when he was walking Garcel to her room and she was like, so, like, busy.

And he was like, well, like, not really. And they like stand to like the pool and everything. And like there is no one there. But she's so right. Like it was straight out of the shining. Like all those. And they kept, all of them kept talking about the long hallways. And they were like, am I going to know how to get out?

Which way do I go? And I was like, wait, this is supposed to be like romantic. and they're like giving me really creepy vibes. Now I'm scared. They did not give that place good publicity. That's for sure. I know. But the grounds do look beautiful.

And the first day we start with a pop-up picnic, which Kathy clearly like heard that somewhere and has gotten it in her head that this is like a fun thing to do. Because she says pop-up picnic about six times in a row. And it actually is lovely. I have to say this looks nicer than any beach picnic we've ever seen. on below deck. That's for sure. If Kathy Hilton is hosting and anything,

especially even a picnic, I would imagine it be nicer than anything we've seen before. But she also, like even during the, oh my God, what was the thing called with the drums? Why to just totally blank on what that? Oh,

the sound bath. She kind of, as much as I love Kathy, when she hosts things like that, it kind of like, scares me a little bit because she's like such a perfectionist that I feel almost like on like edge. If something goes wrong, she's very like quick to be like mad or something. So it really just like I get like nervous when she hosts things because I hope that everything goes

smoothly. That's what I thought was so funny too with the dinner on the first night how she says, oh, dinner's at eight and the place cards are already ready. And then she and Kyle are like over an hour late to dinner. I'm like, wait, you were like, you were like worried about the place cards, but you didn't like it was, I was shocked that they were that late to dinner at the hotel. I know. And again, continued Adjadha for me.

They were both running around back and forth. They needed hair spray. They needed lipstick. They needed the mask. I was like, guys, you're going to dinner with your castmates who you see every day. and you're not leaving the place. It's, it's a lot for me.

It's just like, get ready and go. Yeah, Kyle, Kyle was stressing me out. Yes. Yes. Like,

it was a lot. You need to take a chill pill. But I do feel for Sutton, whose ankle is badly sprained. She, after getting to the hotel in Delmar, she has to go to the ER. They do an x-ray.

They put her on crutches. And she also has a wheelchair. I feel like... She cannot be on it for a week. Right. She can't put any weight on it for a week. It's just like rough to be on a group trip and like have to be dealing with this. And like it just makes her...

It's kind of sad because I just feel like she's... It's like every event she like shows up to. And you're like, oh, Sutton in the crutches. Like that's rough. And then like, I don't know. It just... I like, I'm like pity. her. Oh, no pity over here. No, I mean, I do. I get like it's again with the long hallways.

Like she couldn't walk and like Garcells being a really good friend like beyond making sure that she's like wheeling her everywhere and taking care of her. But it's also uncomfortable, Sutton's uncomfortable being there like in general. So now I feel like it's even more. And we did see Erica be like, is that Sutton in a wheelchair? But yet she didn't ask like if she's okay or anything while they were walking up to dinner. But maybe they cut that out. Who knows? At the picnic, this is while Sutton is at the hospital, so she's not there. They're talking sort of, so Tom is having this competency hearing and they kind of get back on the subject of Sutton supposedly calling Erica a liar, which rolling the footage back,

we sort of see that she said that Erica lied about something. I think if you want to nitpick, she never really called Erica a liar, whatever semantics. But Dereet is kind of trying to get some more clarity about the car accident story. And she brings up Tom being unconscious for 12 hours. And Erica says, yeah, allegedly. And it's like the women are kind of like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Like, how is it alleged? Like, this is the story that you told us.

Right. Like, you can't say allegedly. from the news that you, it came from you. And you can't say allegedly the second time because you already said. Right. Because before she was portraying it as this was the story all along. And the reason I said something else was because I was protecting him. So like for her to now be acting like it's just like a possible explanation.

It's like that's not what it's not actually really what you made it sound like before. And then, of course, Erica then says that Sutton should be threatened. Yeah, that was a bit much. That was the kind of thing where I felt like everybody was kind of just like, can we not? That was petty that lot. Like when she said that that was petty. It was like, you know, like they're all, the women are all.

Kathy brings up the tension, which she's good at doing. And they like, Erica really is like doors closed. But at the same time, you see her being like asking questions or she talked to her a few weeks ago. And like next episode, we see her going to like converse with Sutton. So it's like be a little, you don't have to be friends with her. No one is telling you you have to be friends with her. But you're at this point not even being cordial. She was like, why are you been speaking to me right now?

And it's like Erica, because you're at a table with women like having dinner. You know, like she's not asking you what you're doing next weekend. She's just like simply having a conversation. But even to read again, as. her, as Erica's friend said in like her confession, she was like, Erica is just making it, like she's like, I want to believe Erica, but she's like, she's making it so difficult to do with what she's choosing to say. And at the dinner later, when Sutton and Erica are talking to each other, I feel like

Sutton still is coming from a place of wanting, you know, she doesn't want to be Erica's enemy. She doesn't want to be seen as the villain. She doesn't, you know, she just wants to be, to get some things clear. And, you know, I think she, I don't think she's wrong about Erica, maybe whether you want to say lying or whether you want to say, you know, there were some, some things that didn't add up. But yeah, Erica is taking it to a very sort of like personal place of like, yeah, the why are you talking to me? Like, I don't. what you think. Like, I think, I think Erica is, is wanting Sutton's intentions to be worse than they are.

And so I think for Sutton, it's kind of like, all I was trying, you know, she's just kind of like, all I was trying to do was like this. And Erica's just not really receptive to that, which is, I mean, it is what it is. I think at this point, it's almost like, yeah, like, why bother? Like, I think Sutton should probably just let the door be closed. She says she doesn't want to knock, but then she kind of does. Yeah, she was like, should I knock ourselves? I was like, I wouldn't knock on that door.

And at that moment, I actually felt for a sudden in that moment because she was like, she really is taking the high road. And she's like, I want to just let her know that I didn't mean it. She just want to tech kind of went about it the wrong way originally. And she's willing to not apologize, but like fix it. And it's just good for her for continuing. to try, but I don't know where it's going to get her. I really don't know where so far.

And then also at this dinner, we have Garcell's sort of being put into this hot seat again because, you know, Rinna still has this. She now is saying that if Garcel doesn't feel supported in the group, maybe Garcel needs to be a better friend. And that felt really sort of out of left field to me because I think Garcel is not necessarily super close with a lot of the women in the group, but I've never gotten the sense that she's like unfriendly or anything like that. And the only real example that Rina uses is that Garcel didn't know when Kyle's birthday was,

which to me is like, I don't know when anyone's birthday is. Like we're adults. Like you're not like getting invited to. their birthday party and bringing cupcakes, like, who gives the shit? Like, I don't, that's like a weird thing to like put emphasis on to me. Yeah. And yeah, Rino said that Garcel should be honest because she's a little shady. And I was like, that's not a word I would use to describe Garcel.

I do not think she's shady. However, if Rinna feels that way about their friendship, because they've, you know, been at it for a little while, I still don't think Garcel has been shady to Rina, I think they're just budding heads a little bit and working through it. But I don't think Garcel has been shady in the slightest to any of the other women. But I really loved that conversation because Garcel even said the fact that she was vulnerable and able to open up, like maybe she's making able to make strides with these women and they're able to see. Of course, then we had like her asked that question and Kathy chimed in, but that wasn't

the point. I would say, I would say if anything Garcel has been shady to Derreet maybe, just because some of the comments and stuff that she made, like, she's acknowledged, like, yeah, I made digs at her, like, whatever. But, yeah, like, the whole Rina's whole attitude this season

of, you know, Garc- like, telling people they need to be honest and whatever, but only when it suits her kind of trajectory within the cast. It's like, it really feels tired at this point. Like I feel like three or four seasons ago when Rina was always telling people to own it and stuff.

Like it was fun and that was like her thing. But now it just feels so like she picks and chooses when to be this like crusader for truth. And it's like that doesn't, it's not a good look. And like the way that she has been so like riding hard for Erica and like it just looks like she. I don't know. It's like, it's just hard to understand like why she seems so one-sided this season when it's like

you have different friendships with all of these women. Sutton came on the show as your friend and you've like said that you've been friends with Garcel for all of these years and yet for whatever reason it feels like the only person in the cast

that Rina actually feels like a sense of responsibility to be loyal to is Eric. And I don't, I don't really understand that. Like, I would understand if she wanted to be impartial or if she wanted to, you know, like, support Erica. But the way she seems so dead set on not, you know, supporting anyone else just feels like kind of, that feels shady to me. Right. And we've also seen this as a repeat action with Renna in past seasons too, like Denise.

And like with Eileen, I'm not sure if she really like. fought with, but she was always like, needs someone to be her like sidekick, I guess. Yeah. It's like she kind of has a habit of either bringing someone on the show or being friends with somebody when they come on the show and then sort of leaving them out to dry after a season or two. And that definitely happened with Denise. Yeah, like you were saying with Eileen, it's like, I don't know if anything that

extreme happened, but like, I think. like Eileen probably didn't feel like Renna was like super buddy buddy with her by the end. Yeah, like I don't know. I just think she seems like so she like goes wherever the wind blows

and this season clearly she has decided that she's going to be like Erica's die hard and it's just like a weird look to me. I don't know. This episode is brought to you by Prime. Obsession is in session. And this summer, Prime Originals have everything you want. Steamy romances, irresistible love stories, and the book to screen

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Like, I mean, even like last season, I remember until, like, there was so much of, like, Delilah or, like, Amelia's looking for an apartment. And, you know, like, she's had, she's, like, made her daughters such big parts of her storyline in the past. And it's, like, her storyline or, like, her role has always been. sort of like this, you know, potster, truth teller, whatever. And this season, I think, with so much going on, it's like, Rina isn't actually the one helping to move the story forward at all this season.

It's been all Erica, Sutton, Doreet Garc. I mean, honestly, pretty much everyone I think, but Rina. And maybe, like, Crystal hasn't been, like, that active in the plot. but like everybody else basically has really been like churning out these like crazy scenes and stuff and I feel like Rina has kind of been the most stagnant because she's just been like yeah team Erica the whole time to be honest crystal like wasn't even in this episode and I was sad about that yeah Chris I feel like Crystal's been like taking a little bit of a backseat recently, which isn't, I don't think is necessarily a problem.

I'm interested to see, like, how she is at the reunion. I'm so excited for this reunion. I know. I can't wait, but also I don't want the season to be over, so. I know. I know. Okay, but so then the episode ends with Erica calling a meeting with Rina and Kyle the next day after she skipped the sound bath.

Okay, wait, but after the sound bath. when Kyle, like, calls, when it's again, Kyle, Rina and Doreet, that part, like, annoyed me. Because I was like, you just got a text from Erica. The article is out in the public. Like, why again? I was never like, oh, it's always the three of them. But and then now it's becoming more clear. Like, so the Kathy, Garcell and Sutton like went into the hotel, whatever.

And they were just like, yeah, like, and whispering about the conservatorship. But it's like, you could have said that like in front of everyone. they're all wondering where Erica is. I don't know. That annoyed me. It was like you don't have to like be sketchy in the corner reading the text message. Right. It's funny that Erica will like skip the group event because of this thing.

But then immediately have Rina and Kyle come to her room and film this conversation. It's like, okay, whatever. And she went to dinner the night before. She'd let us know that she knew last night. So why couldn't you go to the sound bath? Right, like all you have to do is lay there. Like, I would have liked to do that. So, yeah, so there's been like this recommendation for Tom to go to like a mental care facility.

And Erica really doesn't want that because she saw that happen with her grandma and she knows how people get treated in places like that. And this was a, I thought this was like a really. interesting scene because it was different kind of than the way we've seen Erica talk about Tom like for the last little while that she still feels like she has sort of a responsibility or like an emotional connection to like caring what happens to him and she also points out that his other kids his kids and like you know everybody else in his life it's like where are they like now that he can't you know, do anything for them.

They've sort of like left him in the lurch. And like this was one of those moments where I did feel like it was like, okay, this is like human emotion of Erica caring about someone and like wanting them to get the help they need. And it was nice to see more of that side because especially now seeing this video of Tom, I'm like, I really do believe that he is like struggling. Right. And she said regardless of like, what's happening legally, I was still married to this person for 22 years. And it's like human decency to not like let someone, you know, have no one. And that was really sad like the what she was saying about like his kids. Because she's like, well, he's he's, they don't need him. And I was like, that's so sad. Like it's still like their father. So like you only needed them for his money. But she said like, you want to know who you real friends. are like go broke.

I was like, I feel like I've heard that before from like many people. And in the preview for next week's episode, she tells Kyle that she has zero dollars. And I'm like, also like, what is Kyle supposed to react to that?

Because Kyle has like a lot of dollars. Right. Kyle's sitting there like, oh, like, do you want one of my Chanel bags? Oh my God. It's just, like it's crazy because she said like it's a lot like you see her showing up with her like Tiago and like she it's weird because in general when you look at someone's life like that you're like oh shit okay like 360 180 whatever 180 and because people are like if you say 360 it's just a full

circle so 180 but then if you look at like obviously the grand scheme of things you're like okay I don't feel that bad but now again next week you're like okay she has no money like That is like terrible. Like zero. Like zero. Like negative. Am I richer than Erica? Am I richer than Erica?

Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Next up, Kathy Hilton. I'm coming for you. Oh my God. For Kathy's sake, I hope not.

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