Mention It All - Tossing Salads & Tennis Bracelets (RHOP, RHOSLC)

Episode Date: October 4, 2021

Dylan and Bari kick things off by discussing Portia’s bat mitzvah, and how her celebration stacks up with their own experiences. Then, they dive into their RHOP recap, as the women head to the Eastern Shore for a Good Vibes Only weekend. Obviously, that doesn’t last long, and they break down the conflict between Candiace and Mia. Later, they recap RHOSLC, which features a rare Jen Shah apology and a lot of Lisa Barlow making herself look bad. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And Barry Rosenfeld. I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to sleep week. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. And I'm Barry Rosenfeld. And it is Monday.

It is raining. It's October. It's October. It's raining. It's raining. It's raining. It's so much happening. Yeah.

I don't think it's raining. here right now, but I also haven't been outside. So I don't have like the, the greatest grasp on the weather. It is that weather where it happens to be Monday and you're like, do I want to work? Like, it's like telling me to just not do anything. I got to say this is like, I don't mean to spill some hot tea here about my work habits. But this was one of those mornings where I kind of like worked from my phone in bed for like a little bit because I just... You're entitled to do that. I literally like my computer was within arm's reach, but it just felt it felt oppressive

to open it and to like to reach. Like I didn't have it in me to reach. So I was, you know, I was getting things done. I was like posting on Instagram. I was answering Slack messages, checking my email, all stuff. But I was like, I can't open the computer for a, another little bit. You know, I need a little, I need a little bit.

Like we're not ready to get back together yet. This recording was a great, you know, impetus for me to actually open my computer because I no longer had a choice. I thought you were going to be like, because I get to see Barry's face. And like. Well, not too. I mean, I get to, but also like it's on the calendar. So I don't have a choice. But you know what, everyone?

Let's have a kumbaya moment. It's a new week. It's a new. months. And you know what? That's all. That's it. Portia Umanski is a new woman. She's a woman in the Jewish community. She had her bat mitzvah over the weekend. It was gorgeous. It was beautiful. It was circus themed. I like that Kyle Richards has all these parties at her house. But you would never know it's at her house because there's like a ridiculous tent and like all these

decorations and it looks it looks like it could be any you know like event venue space and then you realize that it's like their home if we know anything about kyle it's that she can throw a party aka she has she has the best like party planning team we have seen this for a decade already and she's been talking about portions bat mitzvah i think for a decade as well so i was really excited to see i did not see paris was paris there i did not see any i did not see any of the Hilton's. That was the biggest surprise. I think that Kathy wasn't there. At least she wasn't in any of the photos or anything. So I think people were kind of wondering what happened with that. Also, Garcell wasn't there. She was, Kathy and Garcel were the only two, like, current

Beverly Hills cast members who weren't, you know, in photos or anything. Obviously, for Kathy, it's like, I'm a little more curious why she wasn't there. But I'm, I feel like there has to be, like, a reason. I don't think Kathy's like boycotting Porsche's bat mitzvah. Yes, Portia looked so freaking cute. They all did. And then they, and one of their stories, they went outside and there was like an actual real life Ferris wheel. And I was like, got it. I didn't see Kim, Kim Richards either, which makes me sad, you know, like, I know that family, you know, has their issues, but it's like, ah, like everybody just go to the bat mitzvah. Yes, like, what misfas are the best? Um, favorite.

Resnick was there. Faye. Faye and Doreet looked like they were partying up a storm based on Doreet's Instagram story. Like, Wait, so the other night when Kyle and Kathy. Oh,

Erica wasn't there either. Right, I forgot to mention that. Erica was not there. When Kyle and Kathy were both on Watch What Happens Live last night or last week and they were talking about the bat mitzvah and Kyle was like, uh, it's like at least 300 and I dead serious was like,

mom. And she like ran in and I was like, how many people were at my bat mitzvah? And she goes, and I, like, it was a very long time ago. And she was like, I mean, under 200, but like, it was a lot. Like, why? And I go, because I just wanted to know. She, like, think about how much more of a random question that could have been.

And, like, I needed to answer. How many people were my bat mitzvah? Yeah, do you have the RSVP list saved anywhere? I mean, knowing my mother, probably. I feel like I went to some, I feel like I went to some bat mitzvahs that were close to 300 people. Yeah, I mean, because I, yeah, I mean, it's just a big to do. But anyway, congratulations. I missed that.

That was, I always, I always say my social life peaked in seventh grade. Because I, I'm not getting invited to as many fancy events these days, you know. I had my, I had to have my like three button down shirts and rotation, you know. Oh my God. And imagine. Cocktail attire was really stressful. Guys have it. Like,

me and my friends were talking about this recently, actually, because to a wedding, guys can wear, you know, a suit. But girls cannot wear the same dress to every wedding they go to. It's ridiculous. The standards are crazy. The standards are crazy. Okay, let's... Oh, also speaking...

Let women be outfit repeaters. Let us wear the same dress. Speaking of what, of Beverly Hills also, Kathy cleared it up when she was talking about the lady. she said she was not being rude. She was respecting her privacy. And I was like, uh-huh. Okay.

I see. I will say like when they showed her bringing it to the car or like the whatever, the bag to the car, like they didn't really show her on camera. So it's not like with some of these women's like household helpers where like obviously like Crystal is filming scenes with Lucy like that kind of thing. Like, you know, her, whoever her housekeeper was maybe didn't want to be on camera or have her name said. That could be true.

It just like, whatever. Okay, let's, we have to talk about Potomac and Salt Lake City today. So let's not waste any more time. Potomac, we are starting our trip to the eastern shore, which that as a geographical term means nothing to me. Chesapeake Bay. Yeah, my friend who is from Potomac, luckily showed me on a map where, they were because it was like helpful. Like I assumed they were going to Virginia.

Nope, they're still in Maryland. Like, I had no idea how far they drove because it felt like Ashley and Karen were in the car for like six hours on the way to this house while everybody else got there in like 30 minutes. I love on Potomac. Like, I just never know. I have no concept of like where they are at any point in time. This was really, like, I feel like they've already gone on like three or four trips already.

And it's, they're good for them. And that's why I like that they're going to like close places. But I don't know if this one felt somewhat necessary. But at the same time, what's not necessary in Potomac? Everything they do like gives me a little something. But the house I wasn't like that. I wasn't that into this one, I got to say. It was like, it was cute.

I didn't get any wow factor from it. Like when they went to Williamsburg, that main house was really like, really like grand. And this one, it's like, oh, okay, like, it looks cute. I was a little confused why, if there are seven bedrooms, why Wendy was like, some people will have to share. I'm like, well, if you don't think Jaselle and Robin are coming, then I don't think they will. I don't know. Like, there's not that many people.

Listen, it wouldn't be a housewives trip if the room situation wasn't a situation. They, like, have to, it's like in the script. They're like, you got to make it a game. You got to do something. you got to like keep them on their toes. But I thought that too because I guess in their, like Wendy still doesn't know. Like she just doesn't know if they're coming, which obviously we find out later on. They do.

Right. So this episode they have said that they're not going to come because of the manner in which they were invited, which I don't really blame them for feeling that way. Like the way that Wendy was like basically like yelling at. is that like you can come with your luggage like that was rude yeah doesn't feel welcoming right and so i think like i understand still why wendy has an issue with joselle and robin but at the same time it's like if you're the one planning the group trip and you actually want everyone to come then like maybe in the specific moment where you're extending the invite you can like lay down your grievances and just invite them right but then she

obviously lead like they showed more text messages and she did like a follow up and she was like we are bringing we are leading with love and light and it's good vibes only like that love always zen when yeah she's like i like that we're now like in the second half of the season and she's trying to like recapture the zen when energy which it's like questionable if she ever really had it in the first place. But, you know, she's, she's trying and she gives everyone a gift basket from black owned businesses, including her new candle. I like, I love just the like continuing undercurrent of Robin and, or of Wendy and Karen's candles that like Karen sees Wendy's candle in the basket. She's like, good girl. Come on. Maybe someday we'll be in Bloomingdale's together. It's

like, oh, my God, Karen. Like they're competing without competing, but. Right. Like Karen would never, Karen would never admit that she, that she like wants to do better than Wendy's candle. But like, obviously she's like, mine is better. Right. And okay, so earlier when, you know, for Potomac specific, we all have our little breakdowns,

like of everyone meeting before like the main trip. And Ashley goes to Robin's house. And did you notice when Robin was like, oh, you left your. your Karen Packager, a few of the ladies did. Like everyone left. Oh my God. I was dying because it's like a few of the ladies. There was like five people there.

That's not like, oh, Ashley forgot to to pick it up when she got it from her seat. It's like, no, like nobody actually cared enough to take it home. That wasn't nice. It was a dig. It's a three-wit candle. Like, that's generous. I would have taken them all home. Yeah, you need one for your bathroom.

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Robin basically thinks that Michael doesn't want to be around the Bassett's, which I can't argue with. I mean, it seems like that would be a recipe for toxicity. And I, you know, Michael seems more into being a good parent this time around. So I'm not going to criticize him for wanting to stay home with the babies. And also, I don't really have any desire to see Michael on my screen. Yeah, I'm good. But so then we have Mia and Gordon are going on the trip, and Mia's mom is going to be watching their kids for multiple nights for the first time,

which it made me happy that they're clearly, you know, making some progress. Right, like that is not something that you would trust your, anyone with if you didn't actually trust them to be making good decisions and all of that. So that seemed like a nice step forward. Meanwhile, we're dealing with like the aftermath of Candace's comment about Mia's mom being low budget. And Candice like still throughout the episode doesn't actually know the context of what has gone on with Mia's mom.

But the further we get into the episode as everyone arrives at the house. in Chesapeake, it becomes clear that Candace doesn't really care or wouldn't really, isn't really interested in learning more about Mia's experiences. Right. She's more focused on talking about her feet, frankly. I know, honestly. But, or again, earlier, Robin even told Ashley about it. Like, she kind of filled her in an Ashley was like, oh, I didn't know.

Like, so everyone's kind of finding out about this. But I agree. Even if you did tell Candice, like she, that she wasn't stopping. She was just something triggered her this episode. And she just kept going and going and going. It might be the way Mia was reacting. You know, Mia's a very like, oh, like, really? Like not getting loud, not getting any.

And that might have been getting more and more and more under Candace's skin. But it's crazy because throughout this season, I was like, you know, I'm starting to like enjoy Candace, you know, I actually have been enjoying her presence, which I've said, but this episode really brought me back. I was like, you know, like, I don't like this behavior. It was really like uncalled for, to be honest. Well, I think in the first half of the season, we were seeing her be more of a voice of reason than we've ever seen. And she was kind of taking a backseat in some of the conflicts and sort of not inserting herself. And then the last few episodes, we've really just seen her fall back into that pattern of, you know, constantly lashing out and taking the bait.

And, you know, so clearly, okay, like, I still don't think it was super cool the way that Mia was interacting with Dorothy at the video shoot. Partially that was on Dorothy too. I think that would benefit Candace to maybe unpack a little bit. But, you know, I think Candice is justified. in being annoyed with Mia. And I think especially this episode when Mia is continuing, you know, when Candace brings up the low budget comment and Mia's like, well, you know, as the CEO,

like I was just, you could take constructive criticism like from a business perspective. It's like, that's like bullshit. Like, I mean, that's just being like petty. Like obviously when you make, when you call someone's music video low budget, it, you're not giving them business advice. And also, Candice didn't ask for that.

But, like, I then think that Candice is not handling Mia's digs very well. Exactly. But at the same time, Candice, like you just said, continuing with, like, the big feet. And it's like, okay, like, what would you like Mia to do about her big feet? Like, it's annoying, honestly. I have to say, when she called her the Jolly Green Giant, I, like, like kind of choked on my water a little bit.

I was like, but like that's, she keeps like technically like body shaming. It's like, and she's still going. And it's like, it's actually like really not nice what she's saying to me. Like her like botched cosmetic.

You know, like her, her like leaky booty and like all of this stuff. Like it's just the kind of thing where it's like, there's no point in making those kind of digs. And so it's like if you want to be mad at her for what she said about your video or how she talked to your mom. Focus on that.

But she's just like bringing it to this low place of like you're a night walker and like you're a get your pimp and like all of that stuff, which is just, I mean, the whole like, the whole like sex work connotation thing. Like that is icky. All the body shaming stuff is icky. It's like Candace has shown us in past seasons that that's kind of like. her natural place of conflict. And I feel like she seemed to be,

she seemed to be kind of reeling it in earlier this season. And now it's like, oh, yeah. All she had to do was be triggered by someone. And now we're like right back to the same place. And like, listen, Mia's not completely innocent, like for her walking through all the girls in the hallway and being like, not like talking to my rich friends, not these broke bitches.

But then Candace goes right back and she's like, your mom is a broke bitch, like uncalled for Candace. Like that phone called. Oh my God. Like as much as I'm like rolling my eyes at Candace, I'm also like, Mia, oh my God. Like, please, what are you doing? The argument itself was very child. Like it was.

It seemed very childish to me. All like the husbands were there. And like it just really didn't seem like the time or place. Like they were when they all came into the bedroom at first, I thought. oh, maybe they'll try to fix it, but like, it escalated from there. Like, it didn't, it actually, that did nothing. It actually made worse. I think, I think a scala is almost trying to have a more mature disagreement with Mia,

where she's like bringing up the broke bitches comment and like bringing up how Gordon was speaking to her. But then like, Mia doesn't react well. And then Candace takes it to the like lower place of like, get your parents. Yeah, like Gordon is clearly intoxicated, which we will talk about that because he was also being very like inappropriate and like bizarre. That was like, ew, like, ew. But when he made the phone call, like the car dealership phone call, like things like that was I was like, again, like not necessary to do in like front of a group of people. You getting like a customized Gwagon.

Like you're on a group trip in the kitchen. You just got there five minutes ago. Like, okay. I felt like Mia. and Gordon were giving very like show off for the cameras. 100% like not even like show off but also just like acting up for the cameras. Like you know, like taking all those shots and like, you know, Mia on the, you know, on the phone. Like we were saying talking about like broke bitches and the G-wagon and all of this stuff.

It's like they were just like on 10 from the second they got there. And it's like, can everybody just. Yeah. Can everybody just like take a breath, get a glass of wine, sit around the living room, go out on the deck, you know, like, can we just like take a breath? And I felt like it was from the moment Mia and Wendy got there and started drinking, it was like, oh, this is going to be a hectic day. And of course, it all leads up to this salad toss, which, you know, they cut off at the very end of the episode. Candice threw, she gently, like, flicked one piece of lettuce. And she was like, are you hungry? And then Mia took a fucking handful and threw it across. But then like, at that point before then, that's where I think I was like, okay, this behavior is a little much because all Ashley asked,

right when it was happening is when like Ashley was like, what's going on? And everyone was, Mia was talking about Candice in front of her. So then Candace was like, I'm right here. Like, if you're going to call me me, me and like, I'm right here. But then the husbands were like, we're going to, we're going to head out. We're going to go see what's going on out there. Like you want to, well, I think they're going to play like basketball, something.

I don't know. But like the salad toss is like, what, where are we going from there? Because we can't be throwing things, especially if we didn't even eat lunch yet. I would be fucking pissed all I'm saying. Yeah. No, I mean, everybody needs to eat something and, you know, have a piece of bread and maybe they'll calm down in this house. Your hands were just in it and I didn't even have any yet.

It was very upsetting. But like, yeah, I don't know. I've seen people, everyone posting like we're back to square one. Like Candace has like said she's growing and doing all this. And then it's like, listen, of course she's like allowed to like argue with people. Everyone is.

But it's just like the same old thing. Yeah. And we see next week she and Ashley are really going to get into it again, which that feud has kind of been on, you know, it's been like simmering on the back burner for most of this season. So I'm like, I'm just like nervous in my soul for that. Because I'm like,

we're going back to that place. I know. And also this episode, Candice tells Mia, like strongly advises that Mia goes to therapy. And I was like, that's like, you know,

I feel like you're not in the right place for you to suggest that to her. But okay. Yeah. I feel like that's weird to tell anyone, especially when it's somebody that you are not friends or, like, not getting along with. Also, like, that's not like an insult the way that Candace seems to think it is. It's like, okay, like maybe Mia should go to therapy, but like a lot of people should, including probably, perhaps you, like, I don't know. Like, and it's not like embarrassing that maybe she should go to therapy, like, whatever. I don't know.

Right, right. Like, it's not like a bad thing that she was. making it seem, but also we, we need to talk. This is not talked about enough. Is there a group text called the flossy Posse. The flossy Posse. I want to be in it. I like that they obviously, for like show purposes,

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Okay, let's talk about Salt Lake City, because this episode also, some text messages, some important text messages in this episode. Okay, so we pick up at ice fishing where Meredith has stormed off. Jen is, you know, hysterical. And basically, Lisa is like stuck in the middle of like trying to salvage some kind of arrangement. You know, this is just a mess. And I feel like, I don't blame Meredith for like going there and trying to talk to Jen in the first place.

But like Jen is just not the kind of person who can handle like accountability for stuff like this. And in terms of these tweets and her like not running her own Twitter account, she really seems to be like in denial about the fact that these like if a tweet, has her name on it, even if it wasn't her, that that still is her responsibility. And it's just like frustrating to watch because it's like, girl, like, shut up. It doesn't matter if you,

if your assistant liked the tweet. Right. She even brought that up again, like last night. It just like doesn't make sense. But she also saying all that there's a double standard. She said last night. And I was like, whoa, I can't wait to hear what she thinks the double standard is.

And she was like, Brooks is he, like Brooks is allowed to be able to say whatever he wants. And like, I'm not. I was like, first way, you're comparing yourself to someone's kid. Like he's, yeah, he's an adult, but whatever. But also the things, what has Brooks set? Like, I don't recall him saying anything other than his response to your actions. But like, it wasn't a double standard.

And right there is like, just take responsibility. It's like, thank God, they were on a pond because if they were in a room or anywhere, she would be able to leave. And she was just, all of them were just chasing each other around the ice for like an hour. It was so hectic. the way that, like, Lisa put on Jen's backpack so she wouldn't be able to leave. And then, like, Meredith was like, okay, I'm going to go. And everybody's like, come back, sit down.

And, you know, Jen throws her diamond tennis bracelet in the snow. And Lisa's, like, crawling around looking for it. I was like, what is going on? But finally, we get to a point where Jen apologizes to Meredith. Yeah. First of all, the diamond tennis bracelet, like, in, In my opinion, that can't be a, like, no, first of all, a diamond tennis person just doesn't fall off. It fell off.

And she wouldn't just throw alleged $70,000 across the net. It just, that was bizarre to me. But also, she comes to her senses after, like, Stewart is giving her a pep talk. Oh, my God. It was weird. And, like, bizarre. I don't know, like, what his, he was kind of, like, getting to the, like, like, alluding to something. I don't know.

He, like, knows her. Yeah. He like knows something about like her the way she works that he's able to like talk to her the way nobody else is. And it's like these two have a fucking weird relationship. Well, yeah, we find that out. I mean, yeah, like they also have a criminal relationship. But it's like what is what is the deal with Stu and Jen? Right.

Jen, the way Jen apologized. She when she does that when she's supposed. do. I know, like, when you're apologizing someone, it obviously could take you longer than like other, you know, comes to your senses, whatever. But she, if she just thinks in her head, if she just did that from the beginning or thought about instead of just overreacting about everything she does, like this could have been so much easier. And then she even threw in, I'd like to also apologize to Brooks, which is, I was like blown away. I was like, whoa, Jen. I wasn't expecting that from you either. But, you know, that I, and then next episode, obviously, we see. And I was like,

holy shit. I actually truly wasn't expecting that, but I'm excited to see that conversation. A little nervous. The fact that Jen and Brooks have like a one-on-one sit-down is very funny to me. Yes, but also what's funny to me is when Heather and Whitney were sidelineing and watching this whole fight and commentating it was hilarious. And Heather is like gutted that she has to leave her daughter's like showcase. in your showcase. She's like, damn it. Like,

I want to see the action. This is why it came. She is, she is great. I feel like, I don't know. Salt Lake City, there's so much happening,

but at the same time, I even saw someone else post today that like at the same time, like nothing's happening, which kind of is how, like I feel about like all, like that's typically what it is. Well,

it was actually strange. So after, this gen apology and the fishing scene ends, we are kind of immediately introduced to Angie, who now is like a friend of

and Sarah Jane. Yeah, and Sarah Jane, of course. This woman seemingly sort of comes out of nowhere, and then she becomes like the source of the conflict for the rest of the episode. So it was a little weird, like,

I feel like something weird happened when they were filming, like, if there, like there was some weird reason why like, Angie couldn't be in the first part of the season or like, you know, we're only a few episodes in. So it was just like, oh,

okay, like all of a sudden we're in this kind of like different realm where like Lisa's going over to Sarah Jane's house with her friend Angie and they're talking about, you know, this like casino. Like it just was kind of like, oh,

okay, like who are these people? Yeah. It was not a good segue into the new person. And then now Angie is kind of like a, she's like this like pawn in the middle of Lisa and Whitney's issues, which is like not a comfortable place to be. And it was like the way that Lisa is openly like, yeah,

I don't really care that your cousins with her like, you shouldn't claim her. Lisa, okay, so Lisa literally posted, she posted this text message screenshot as proof that they didn't know they were related until the show was airing last year. Who cares? So Angie texted her. I found out Whitney and I are related from watching the show. I died. And Lisa's response is just, what? Don't claim her. And it's like, it's funny because Lisa is posting this to prove that her timeline is correct. And it's like, okay, sure, but you still look like a, like a bitch. Like it's, what are you? This, like you're still telling this woman that she shouldn't speak to this woman that she just found out as her cousin. It's like, okay, that doesn't make you look like great. Yeah,

as much as I'm obviously not fond of Lisa Barlow, this episode did not make her look good. Like, at all, this was not a good episode for her in any way. So, so I want to know what your thoughts are on Oh, boy. Catergate. Because, so basically, Lisa goes over to Sarah Jane's house. And this is the first time she really finds out that Angie and Whitney are like closer now. Yes. And then she, Angie's having this casino night party the next day, I think soon, whatever. Yeah.

They said next weekend. So then apparently five hours. after Lisa is with Angie, Angie gets a call from the caterers for casino night and are like, hey, like, we usually do Lisa Barlow's events and like we can't do yours anymore. And so Whitney tells Angie, she's like, oh, yeah, Lisa's behind that 100% for sure. And I like...

One hundred and fifty thousand percent, Lisa Barlow. is attached to that. You believe it for sure. Like, yes. Like, first of all, first of all, they said it was from her assistant. Like, they mentioned her assistant. Second of all, did I start with second of all? Sometimes I do that.

First of all, that was, okay. Second of all, numbers are hard. Yeah, they are, two plus two is four and I'm not even good at math. And I'm not even good at math. So fast forward to Casino Night where we will, you know, Lisa's reaction. is is Jen Shaw 2.0

and Lisa reacts like that which is what people need to realize when Lisa is guilty or does anything she cries and throws a fit and leaves the room like that's just not

the way you respond to things and she even said like I'm feeling really weird right now like I'm feeling really weird and then just automatically

started crying if you didn't do I get it you feel bad because you're being accused of something but if you didn't do something

that's just not the way you would have reacted, but it just makes too much sense for her to be connected to that. What are your thoughts? Do you not agree? I mean, I definitely agree that it seems sketchy. And so I'm like, I would say I'm like less confident than you, but also I don't feel like, no, Lisa didn't do that. Like, I don't think she would do that. Like, I definitely think it's something that she's like capable of and I feel like if she was feeling petty, you know, she makes a phone call and then it happens. And I think like, I do think you're right. Like her reaction is just like kind of hard to watch because it's like this like she does this thing

where she's like not really crying, but she's like going through the motions of crying. She's like, no, like, the fact that you would say that about me. Like, I can't like, uh, uh, uh, like, it doesn't really feel like she is like, it feels like she's like squeezing out the emotions a little bit. Yeah. And like, I think partially that's because she's not a very like naturally emotional person, but also it just like feels kind of forced. And yeah, I agree.

And also if she did do this, like what a disgusting thing to do for a charity event. And someone even said like, oh, what's a party with no food? Like, which means you did that on purpose. Like you wanted to make someone look bad, but take your drama with someone who is completely irrelevant, by the way, because her feud with Whitney has nothing to do with her being friends. This woman has nothing to do with this charity event. So you could have done some other petty thing to, I don't know, make her look bad.

But that's just, I don't know. It's just not. Right. If you want to be petty and mess with Angie. in some other way, fine. But like, just let her have her. Yeah, not cool. The casino night looked really nice, though.

A gorgeous. And also when Lisa arrives, and we have seen this before, it's like deja vu, walks right past Whitney, continues to ignore her while Whitney, like, starts to talk to her. Like, this woman's really fucking rude. I don't know. It just really gets to me. me like holy shit. I think like with housewives, I feel like sometimes I really appreciate that Lisa shows exactly

who she is and like doesn't try to kind of like sugarcoat her personality for TV because I think we've seen we've seen people on these shows where it's like I actually think you're kind of like a rude person but you're like stressed about coming across that way. so it seems like you're being fake. And I think Lisa, I will say, like, I appreciate that she is, she seems very authentic on camera, even when it's not flattering. But at the same time, it's like, oh, my God, like, really? Like, that's, you can't, like, you can't still, like, acknowledge Whitney in a way that feels, like, at all warm or genuine.

Like, you got, you just told Angie when you were at that other, like, little meeting. Like when anybody asks her about Whitney, she's like, no, like, I don't have an issue with Whitney. Like, she was the one that was talking about me, but like, I don't have an issue with her. And it's like, then say hi to her at the party like a normal person. And correct. And I was also confused a little bit because we left off where they acknowledged each other. And they weren't best of friends.

But at the ice fishing, like, they gave Lisa gave Whitney a hug. And like they moved, you know, they didn't have a talk, but they were cordial. So it was just, it was almost like what Angie told her set her off, set Lisa off. And she took that and ran with it. I definitely think it did. And then, you know, like, Whitney kind of wanders into the room as they're like yelling her name. And Lisa's like, Whitney, why are you here?

Why are you in here? Like, what are you doing in here? And it's like, I mean, you're literally like, you're literally like shouting about her. So like, it's not crazy that she would like wonder what's going on. Dylan, that literally is like. If we, if like everyone like at work was like just hanging out in a room. And I was like, Dylan, why are you in here? They just, you don't do that.

Like, it's just weird to me. Do you need to be in here? Yeah. Like who, it's. And you did that. You called her out because you don't want her hearing what you're saying, your side of whatever you're talking about. That's how I look at it.

Right. And it's like, okay. So then whether or not you did the catering thing, Whitney's going to see that you sent the test. telling Angie not to claim her. And it's like, that's not going to make her feel good. Like, I don't know. Also, they're related because they have the great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather.

Great, great, great, great, great grandfather. Shadrack. Shadrack. Oh, my God. I did, I did really laugh when Lisa said, like, weird polygamy cousins. I'm like, ugh. Okay, one. Okay.

I think Lisa's a beautiful woman. I think all the women are beautiful. There's just one thing I have to call out. And this is not shaming because it's something she voluntarily put on. I'm scared. No, don't be. It's fine.

The frosted lipstick she had on in her confessional. I was like, babe. Oh my God. No. I actually did. I thought everybody looked really good at the casino night. Meredith especially looked fucking hot.

So fucking hot. I thought Mary looked really good. That green sequin dress, I was like, oh, you look like chicer than usual. This party reminded me of how to lose a guy in 10 days. Ladies, frost to yourselves. And because they were all wearing diamonds. Yeah, that was weird. It was like, okay, like, everybody come pick a necklace.

And they were all just kind of these like random strings of. Yeah. Do you get to keep it? Do you have to pay it? Is that the chart? Like, what's going on here? Because they, some of them were beautiful. Yeah, whatever, whatever.

Fun time. I can't wait next week for the, like, like sit down between Jen and Brooks. Like that to me is something that we have needed for a while because we need to just get everything on the table. Yes, but I just can't picture having a one-on-one sit down with Jen Shaw because it almost talking to someone like her is like everything is goes in one ear and out the other.

Like she's just going to react regardless of what you say. So you have to get her on. That's actually, that's going to be next week's episode of the podcast. It's just you and Jen one-on-one. I'm not going to be here. I can make that work, though. I could talk to a wall. And you have to record for a full hour.

No, no edits. I would be like, I don't know, actually what I would start with. I would say. So, have you traveled anywhere recently? How is it going? How do you feel? Oh, my God. What's going on?

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