Mention It All - We Listened To Sandoval’s Podcast So You Don’t Have To Ft. Ryan Bailey (RHOC Finale)

Episode Date: September 28, 2023

Dylan is back in the studio with Ryan Bailey, host of So Bad It’s Good, and they kick things off with initial reactions to Tom Sandoval’s podcasting debut. Will he commit to the podcaster life, or is this just one more desperate attempt to cling to fame? (It’s probably the latter.) Then, they recap the RHOC finale and ponder how far Tamra will push Heather before Fancy Pants decides to pack her Bravo bags for good. Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer, and I am so glad to be back for another week with the great Ryan Bailey in the studio. He's been in town the last couple weeks for a very exciting launch schedule for his podcast with Betches. And so I had to catch him one more time before he flees back to the West Coast. Ryan, hello. Hello. I only had to pay Dylan $200 to let me back on the show today. And I thought that was a steal. Yeah, Ryan hit me up yesterday. He was like, please let me talk about Tom Sandoval's podcast. Don't bring that up so early. I'm so upset this morning. Yeah, it's tough. So I have not had a chance to listen to the first episode yet of everybody loves Tom.

Yeah. You know, I look forward to it. I'm sure I will be taking that plunge. What do you mean, Dylan, he just put us out of a job. Yeah. We're done. I mean, we should, like, this is the last episode of mention it all. It'll be the last episode of So Bad. It's good. What he does in 43 minutes time is revolutionary. He cures cancer. He tells us all the dirt. No, I mean, how do you feel when you see somebody just a fly by night come in like this? The thing with Tom Sandival, you and I were talking about this yesterday. after his announcement post is that doing a podcast, in theory, is like a fun, great idea of like a brand extension. You can get some sponsors, make some money. It's, you know, you can get your point of view and your side of the story out there as much as you want. But for somebody like Tom Sanval, it's like, do you actually want to do this week?

week in, week out. That's, okay, wait. In perpetuity or as long as, you know, until the wheels fall off. That's the thing. Like, okay, so like, I think you are the same. Like, I do, I love this. I love the form. I love podcasting.

I love the communication. I love, I love so much about this. And that's the only thing that really bothers me because it's like, yeah, everybody can have a podcast. I tell the audience, all you need is a mic, go do it, you know, but you have to commit. And for somebody like Tom, that's the only offensive thing I really think is, I don't think somebody like Tom, his heart is in this. In fact, I've talked with them in the past about even just guessing on podcasts.

And that wasn't his favorite thing. So I sometimes just want people, like we say in The Bachelor, to be in it for the right reasons. And with Sandival, it almost seems like another like, I need money now. Yeah, I think we've seen, we've been in the like podcast, you know, these podcast streets long enough that it's like we've seen a lot of people. And I'm not talking about like people like, you know, you or I like, like, the podcast podcasters. I'm talking about like Bravo Lebrides and people of that ilk who decide to start a podcast. Some of them go really well. And some of them, you don't hear much about after the first

little publicity push. And you know, Tom props to him. He had some pretty well-produced promo videos that went up yesterday. He's taken off his shirt and he's, you know, being a little cheeky. I just don't know if this is what he wants or particularly what anybody else wants. And I'm curious what this is going to look like. Because the first episode, I'll just read the description. Like I said, I haven't had the pleasure of listening. I'm 10 minutes in. On the very first episode of Everybody Loves Tom, Tom talks life on the road with podcast

producer and drummer of the most extras Jason Bader right off the bat. So this guy that's in his band is a podcast producer. That's why this is happening. I'm assuming. Yeah, I think he probably speared this ship. just like he does help Tom out with everything. Hey Tom, now that we're done with this sold out tour. What's up, dude?

Yeah, should I do a podcast? Yeah, dude, let's do it. He then welcomes his friend Celebrity Jewelry designer Kyle Chan. Just a name pulled from the depths of Vanderpump lore that it's like, it's definitely going to be Nicolane next week. Nickel lane is here. Carl, Kyle Chan designed this ring for Jacks. No, but see, this is interesting.

This is to me so bad it's good because. A lot of people will hate listen. A lot of people will, this will probably do very well initially. It'll, you know, can he do this and does he want to do this for the long run? Yeah. The long haul. So then Kyle Chan, they talk about Tom's break from drinking, what it's like at home with Ariana. Communication with Rachel and that infamous fight at Kyle's party in San Francisco.

First of all, it's like, I don't know. That's the season finale and season 11 that we haven't seen yet. Sure. communication with Rachel. From all other sources, aka Rachel on Bethany's podcast, it doesn't seem like there's been much communication with Rachel. It's like for Rachel,

there's been none. Moving on. Like it's going to just be one sentence. I sent her this text and she left me on red, dude. Dude, it's just, I love her so much, dude. But I mean, what it's like at home with her, I think the whole thing is that for me to listen to somebody like Tom's podcast, I have to want so much of them in my ears, in my headspace, in my vicinity.

And like with Tom, I would be really okay with zero. And I think at most I would want like 5%. And so a 40-minute podcast is just, it's a tough ask. Well, you know, already I will say this. I will say this. I listen to the first 10 minutes on the way over here. And I already enjoyed it. More than the Bethany podcast with Rachel.

I was like, because it was like Tom just, it wasn't like unfiltered. It was just fun because it doesn't seem like there's a big agenda. And that was what was cracking me up. It was like, dude, thanks for, thanks so much for having me. It's like, Tom, you host the podcast. It's not Jason's podcast. The thing with the comparison between the Bethany and Rachel thing, it makes sense. The thing with that is that was so clearly like publicity like.

Bethany putting her agenda in there. Putting her agenda into the Scandival story. but also Rachel trying to do this, you know, shedding of the baggage and, you know, rebirth as Rachel, you know, from Arizona. And, you know, maybe I don't want to be in the public eye, but maybe I do because I want to do a podcast with mental health. Mistress's 101. I don't know. With Tom, it's like, so that was like a moment, whereas theoretically this is like an ongoing project. So I'm more interested to compare if, and I would say if.

and when, but I really think it's more of an if Rachel ever does her, like psychology of the mistress podcast. And by the way, I think there's like a 20% chance that will ever happen, right? Like, I think it's, you know, at the time, yeah, that sounds like a great idea. Anything like sounds like a good idea. It's just you have, you have the wherewithal to actually make it happen. And that's what with Tom. And I'm not giving, I'm not patting him on the back, but a lot of these bravo lebrities, you can, a lot of housewives, they're like barnacles. They just don't go away. Like Tom is refusing to go away. And I don't mean like, you can't be on a show, you can't be on this.

But he wants to be in our faces 24-7 because he's so afraid, I believe, to lose this attention because it truly is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get on any television show in Los Angeles. Well, yeah, his teaser that he edited together for the podcast was all these clips of The View and... People saying they hate them. Los Culturistas and the Today Show and Adele, you know, talking about how much of a, you know, scumbag clown Tom Sandoval is. It's like he, you know, I'm sure there.

deep down there's a core of like, I hate that they don't like me, but at least they're saying my name. At least they're talking about me. They know who I am. And there is a pointed difference between, you know, Rachel chose not to come back to Vanderpump rules.

She hasn't been super active on social media. She did that Bethany interview. That's pretty much the only time we've heard from her. Whereas, you know, Tom was out on tour. He just filmed a whole season of Vanderpump Rules. He's on special forces. On the mask singer? This is wink wink, probably on the masked singer, if you heard that rendition of...

He's doing more than he's ever done in previous seasons of Vanderpump Rules. I mean, this is, you can't argue now that this has also given him a platform, even though his platform, he is saying that it is the non-platform, that his voice has been taken away. This is why he's doing the podcast to tell his story. I think you have an interesting point, though, is that Rachel, for all intents and purposes, has gone away. she did go into therapy, you know, intensive therapy, supposedly for two and a half months. Tom has not done any of that. In the first 10 minutes of his podcast, they do talk about that he hasn't drank since April, which is great.

But Jason's like, you did that all by yourself, dude, no help at all. And I think that's the part that it's like, that's amazing. But what scares me is that like maybe you should get some help, not even for alcohol, but just help in general look into this behavior instead of, and also the behavior of not wanting to not be on television. You need to be in front of us through all of this without looking. into your own behavior. Well, as much as I don't like to diagnose people's problems, I don't think anybody was ever

thinking that the issue with Tom Sandoval was that he had a drinking problem. I was like, yeah, like if I decided I wanted to, I could stop drinking since April all by myself. And like, maybe somebody would pat me on the pack. But like, I didn't overcome any personal demon for that. I just like chose not to trick. That's what this podcast does or the first 10 minutes. And what I see him kind of doing is that he's trying to reframe the narrative that he is

almost a hero for staying in. this through all the hate. But it's like what all kind of fools us then is like, wait a sec, is he a hero? No, because it's all self-serving at the end of the day. He's not doing us any favors by staying in this. It's not like we needed this person to stay on our screens, go to visit and music venues. It's all self-serving at the end of the day. Right. And like obviously we haven't seen season 11 of the show yet, but like there's other people still there that could have done a season without him. It's not like he's propping up Vanderpump rules. Well, that's, okay, that is one.

She's got to go make her baby dinner. That is one fact that he says in this, and I'm not sure if this is true, but he says that production said if he filmed with Sheena on that last episode, that they would let him go do the new season of Winterhouse. And then they did not let him do the new season of Winterhouse even after he filmed with Sheena. Well. Poor guy.

The Lord Give it. He is the true victim, Dylan. Why are we not getting this? Oh, God. Yeah. The worst punishment in the world, not being allowed. to go film Winterhouse. Daddy, they took away my winter house.

We've got to get some perspective here. It's like truly, Kim, there's people that are dying. But it's easy to get lost. We're so in this vortex, this Vanderpump vortex. It's like, what do you mean? I don't get to hang out with people you don't remember from below deck. My friend Schwartz is there and you're letting him party with these people. I made a drink last season.

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Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear up on that envelope.

It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. It'll be interesting to see how people receive this. And I think people genuinely are willing to forgive and forget. I just truly wonder if he is taking any kind of truly hard look at his own behavior. And at the end of the day, that's why he did cheat on somebody that he supposedly loved over nine years for seven months, made a big production about lying about this on and off camera.

Those are the real answers that I would love. And the same thing with Rachel and the Bethany that Bethany never asked her about. Those are the things I'm curious about. And I don't know if he's ever willing to take that truly hard look at himself. Yeah. I mean, maybe he will be after. competing in special forces world's toughest test. He says that it was an amazing experience and he was so grateful for it.

Well, I'm happy for him. I probably won't be watching. I watched the first episode and it was really intense, but intense in a weird way. Like I started feeling bad for Tara Reid. I started feeling like Tom was like, I'm here to be punished, sir. I want to take a beating. That's in the commercial. It's like, I had an affair.

And I'm here because I want to take a beating. Tyler Cameron is just like an incredibly good-looking dude that you're just like, yeah, punish that guy. He doesn't deserve to be that good-looking. Like I get upset at those kind of things, but it was good to see Jojo Siwa. Like she said it was triggering from the dance mom days being yelled at by a drill sergeant. I mean, we are truly in the in days right now. Abby Lee Miller is she's never, never beating those allegations. And not even the ones she went to prison for it.

Let's talk about Orange County. Woo, it's over. We did it. A season finale with a reunion to come. I talked yesterday about the OC reunion looks that we got and this, they're shooting on like a volume backdrop with the. That's the same technology they used for the new Batman movie with the Gotham in the background on the building. It literally was like we're inside the Mandalorian for this OC reunion. I kept thinking, don't you want, because they project this big Orange County background of the ocean.

I swear to God, I want things like whales to like fly up and like angels. I'm like, this is the gateway to setting, like we need and I said an under the sea reunion theme like Atlantis in the background and like the outfits can be themed to the backdrop. Like it's the possibility. Like set the mood like it like there's a sunset at like at the end of the the reunion. Probably. We should be we should be inside Gina's freak show. I like when Gina goes, Gina goes, that's where we live. But I'm like not you Gina.

Not you. It's like, baby, that's just the beach. It's like, you live on the beach now? Heather de Bro lives there. That's it. Where does Heather Debrough live? Yeah, she's got three different places now. They bought the penthouse and then they bought the L.A. house.

And then they're in a rental in O.C. A 5,000 square foot rental in the O.C. But they're looking for their new O.C. dream home. She's like, it's so funny that she's like, well, you know, the kids are in school. And Terry's practice is in the O.C. We have a lot of roots here. It's like, then why are you buying two houses in L.A.? Like, you know what?

So these shows, and I really credit Housewives to this, has ruined me on money. Like, I have no personal wealth. I don't come from family wealth. I don't come. Like, but when I hear like $55 million that they sold the house for and Terry's like, that's not just F you money, that's like buying everybody that is in your family money. But then I'm like 55, that's not even like, I'm like 55. That's not that big of a number.

Like I'm now used to like billionaires. Oh, I, no, I do the same. I'm like, oh, like, you. you can spend $55 million. Like, that's not hard. Yeah, it's like, that's, I have two sticks to my name and I'm like, 55. That's nothing, man. I'm like, yeah, I go to Sweet Green for lunch every day and then it's gone.

This is seven, this Starbucks was $7. I didn't even hesitate yet. That's, I mean, that's why millennials never own property, you know, getting too busy getting your lattes every day. But you know who does know billionaires? Taylor Armstrong, apparently. Woo, Taylor, I mean, whoever served or over-served Taylor last night, She came, like, it's like she, she checked in fully, but she checked in so hard.

And like in such a, it's such a random direction that nobody was. I didn't even see that coming. It's the chicken soup, you know? And she was just, she had a little bit of a slur mouth. She had a little bit of Marathon's mouth. And she just went for it. When you have like the lip square footage of Taylor, when you get a little, when they get a little loose and slippery. Yeah.

It's the, the consonants really just. When she jammed. whole ice cream like Taylor eating food could be a whole segment on this show but she jammed the entire like part of the ice cream cone into her mouth I'm not it was just like holy crap it's so funny because earlier in the season

when they went to like the pier or whatever they were eating hot dogs yeah and she said she would do it she was like she's like that cotton candy thing I will never live down so now I'm super careful about how I eat food on camera and then it's like get a few drinks in her and just like jamming an ice cream cone into her face I do wonder in those cases if it's like, I hate to keep using.

I don't watch sports, but I keep using sports analogies. Is it like a coach? Like, did the producers go off screen? Go like, Taylor. We really like, you haven't done a lot this season. We need you to jam something fully into your mouth. And we need you to really go in on Heather DeBrow tonight. Like, do they get them amped up of what they haven't done this season and what they

potentially would love to see? I think lightly, yes. Like, I think there is an element of like, remind. people, things that they maybe want to, that it's like, yeah, that it's like, so remember, like, you're probably going to see Heather tonight and like, you haven't had a chance to talk to her since, since that chicken soup thing. And that was so weird. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Like, remember how weird it was that she left and did it text? You think it's weird, right? Right. Like, you, you personally were very hurt by that. No, I think that's it exactly.

Yeah. Because when you, when somebody's going that hard, it's like, must be so on their mind. And for Taylor to have done other scenes where it does not seem to be on her mind at all early in this season, I'm just like, how did we get here this quickly? Yeah, it is, it's funny in this episode, there is kind of all of a sudden this narrative of all season long, Heather has not paid a lick of attention to Jen and Taylor. And it's like, is that something that Jen and Taylor have cared about until today? They both came at Heather last night of like, you didn't give me enough attention this season pretty much. It's like, I mean, Heather was in Taylor's house talking about IMDB. Like, I don't. This is what I love about housewives, though.

It actually turns you into defending somebody like Heather Debrough. Like, I've never been the wildest Heather Debrough fan, but I have to say after last night in this season, I don't get it. Like, what am I not seen? And this is what the show is great is that you can win the show like in the moments. Like Tamara probably left there going like, wow, I rule the ruse. But then the audience gets a hold of it and goes, wait a sec, you guys are all teaming up on Heather, I don't agree with that. That's ridiculous. Yeah, after in Heather's words, she got dog

fucked in Mexico for five days. I wait, Heather DeBrow saying dog fucked was truly, that was not, hey, that's the, that's the, the Burbage 55 million buys you. Dog fucking. I, yeah, it's, it's dog fuck you money. I do feel like watching, I feel like this episode, they did a good job of kind of piecing together the narrative that we've been seeing over the course of the season, where Heather kind of lays out how Tamara has somewhat systematically worked to kind of dismantle some of her relationships within the group that she's kind of sowing these seeds with Shannon and with Emily and with Gina about, you know, I think Heather said this thing. And then Heather said this other thing. And Heather called you a loser and Heather was talking about your relationship and oh, didn't

Heather also make a comment about this? And then it feels like there's a moment this episode where it sort of clicks for Heather that it's like, oh, it was Tamara. It's Tamara all along. And I do think that the clip that they play a couple times from the two T's in a podcast is pretty interesting because Tamara's big allegation is that, Heather called Gina and Emily losers. And then Teddy on the podcast is like, Tamara, what was that thing you said about how your cast was all losers? And I feel like Tamara kind of just acts like that doesn't exist right past it. And it's like, but Heather is still a bitch.

And it's like, perhaps yes, but also you said this. Yeah, that's what's frustrating is that like I hope it's like we can't agree on just right and wrong. Yes or no. This thing happened. This thing didn't. Like Tamara just will like speed past it. And then last night we saw her like jumping from table to table trying to like warn people that like, oh, Heather's out to get me. Heather's out to get me.

Almost panicking. And that really actually wasn't happening. But Tamara, like there is so much audio proof, visual proof, every kind of proof that Tamara just talks shit. It's what she loves to do. It's what she's good at. And none of these ladies seem to buy it. And then when they do, like Emily last night, I was so befuddled by the fact that she was like, well, Tamara. at least apologized for it, Heather didn't.

I'm like, wait, they both called you a loser and you accept that Tamara called you a loser because at the end of the day she apologized. What about nobody calling you a loser, Emily? Isn't that what we're going for? It's like, Emily, I want you to want better for yourself. Yes. You have, it's like there's one person where there's now no evidence that she called you a loser. And there's another person who we know for a fact did, but she happened to say sorry.

It's like, why are you camping out for an apology from the person who probably didn't say it? And then Gina, I mean, and then Gina, Gina throws this party, which looked like a very nice party. But at the same time, I was like, where are we getting the money for this party? This whole thing, like you talk about struggles with finances. You talk about this, this party looked like a very nice party. That's what, then I was thinking about that. And then she's still going in on Heather. And Heather has never really said anything bad about Gina.

And that confused me as well. And I just don't feel like we resolved anything in terms of the correct way that these ladies should be feeling for each other. I feel like we got a little bit, I feel like Gina maybe is a little bit less heated on Heather now because maybe she feels like, I think the podcast clip, if nothing else, I think it softened Gina to Heather and maybe made her a little more suspicious of Tamara. I just wish that they had called that out that night. Yeah. Because Tamara's there like doing her actual dance, like dressed up like Pennywise the clown, which very scary makeup. Very good, scary makeup. Yes.

But I just feel like she ruled this season. I mean, for all, I mean, she came back. She ruled it. I'm so curious what the reunion is like with her because she defaults to just screaming. She defaults to that Tamara, you know. That's my opinion. That's my opinion. Yeah.

I think maybe if this party had been like a sit down dinner with just the cast, there would have been a little bit more of like putting it all out there and kind of, you know, like coming to some understanding. whereas instead it's this chaotic party where everybody's running around. Like there's a lot of like Emily grabbing Heather and Gina grabbing Heather and Tamara grabbing. A lot of grabbing. Can I pull you? Can I pull you?

Taylor needs to talk to Heather. But then it's like there's a lot of, you know, sort of like can I grab you for a sec energy? And then the ball kind of is like you can't quite figure out who like is really carrying it at any point. And I think that's like exciting to watch in a way. But then also because it's the season finale, it's like, oh, wait, it just ended. And like, I don't actually know if anybody is on good terms with anybody else. Yeah. I also like, I wish there was like a dedicated husband boyfriend cam in the bottom right hand of the screen.

Because you can just see the guys just like glaze over when they start fighting or like Terry walks away or like I want eyes on Travis. Yeah. Travis really never has a facial reaction for anything. I love that man. I love him because he seems like a solid guy. Yeah. And he seems, and I mean this as a compliment, he doesn't pop on camera. And that's a good thing.

Oh, yeah. And that's the thing. I have never once been like, oh, like Gina and Travis, that's not sure how that's going. Whereas every single time John Jansen pops on the screen, when Shannon's like, you know, next year, all my girls are going to be gone. And I am going to be devastated. And I want to make sure that my relationship with John is good so that I'll be okay. And it's like it's sad to think about. But also it's just like, girl, it's not it's not going to be good.

Well, that's, I mean, that is interesting too to watch this finale, knowing what we know now of even this last couple of weeks in regards to Shannon. But I mean, so many of them have had changes since this finale. And that I was wondering if they were going to do that on the post script. Yeah. Is that, you know, are they going to mention that Shannon ran into a house? Are they going to mention that, you know, they mentioned her and John broke up. But, you know, it's like the Kyle meme from Beverly Hills. We were all so happy that day.

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It does feel like this season, there was a lot of movement in this last episode, but not necessarily toward a point of closure, which is fine. I mean, I don't need everything to be wrapped up in a bow, and that makes me, if anything, more intrigued to see the reunion energy because also the reunion teaser that they put out is like 40 seconds of jump cuts of. And then it just ends mysteriously. Each person yelling. So there's not really any, the preview for the reunion has basically no plot.

But you know what? That means nothing to me because I remember seeing the OC trailer and I wasn't really excited about the OC trailer this season. And then it turned out to be a good season. So I don't really put a lot of stock into that. Yeah. And sometimes if it's so good, I almost think that's a detract. like what are they trying to sell us here?

It was interesting. The one thing that I kind of had a takeaway from the reunion trailer is when Andy's like we invited Ryan to come and I'm like, did he show up? Yeah, but also, wait, wait. Yeah. Why wouldn't you invite Ryan? Like they're together. We've had husbands, boyfriends on the show at all.

Like, yeah. We've had to see so many of his outfits on the show. It's only fair that we get to see what he picks off for the reunion. It would only be fair to see the flaccid dick pick pick. Like that's what it was. It would only, I mean, not the actually, you know, you can blur it out. That's a peacock exclusive. Yeah, never before seen.

The extended cut. Extended and uncensored. Exactly. No, but it's like you have a whole storyline about it. What's the actual photo? Let me see. You can blur it out, but let me see the writing before it. Like the Misanen.

Like the, the, the picture. I want to see the presentation. I want to see you. Because it says, didn't it say it was like, my penis is lonely without you? That was like, no, I'm not making this up. That was what it was said. But that makes it worse that you're not making it. I do. There is something about seeing the scenes of Jen and Ryan that just kind of like, it like,

tickles me in some way that I just like, I really enjoy seeing their weird ass home dynamic where it's like, Jen's like, babe, like the spaghetti casserole's ready. And she's like, she's like, spaghetti casserole is what you make when you can't really cook. Like I basically just do taco salad, spaghetti, chili. And then we're back on the rotation. I'm like, I love this. for you. I do love it and I think it's interesting to watch. When was the last time that Heather Debrough ate a spaghetti casserole? Oh, I mean, probably if she was invited over to Jen's house for any kind of meal. She'd be like, this is lovely. I am loving this. I am salt of the earth. That would be like a, I love this for you. This is so cute. Terry and Heather are so interesting, though, because I truly believe they are how they come off on camera, but there's that

5% chance that they're not. And they like, when cameras are over like, what are we doing today, Tuts? How we, how we making that bread today? Like, I would love to see when cameras are off, nobody's around how they talk about people, how they, like, do they laugh at people that are less fortunate than them? I want to know if they truly are how they present themselves. Yeah, that's going to be interesting to see at the reunion and beyond. Because the last few weeks of the show, Heather has really had this energy where she seems to be kind of at the end of her rope. in terms of dealing with all of this and with these people and with the things that they're saying about her.

And I feel like we've sort of seen her in this place before a little bit. But she does, she is in that position of seemingly really not needing to be on the show. Yeah, what's in it for her at this point? So that does kind of always make me wonder. It's like I almost, I'm like, Tamara, don't push her too far because she'll just, leave and Tamara said our much what happens live a couple weeks ago we need her you were there that's like she that's exactly it is that they and Tamara needs her because she tamera thinks now they're on like two sides of the same coin joker and batman they potentially need each other and tamra sees that

because she's producing herself at times but i think if i was heather i would really weigh the pros and cons it's not like before maryl Streep won her third oscar she did a season of housewise and that's got that's that got her back into the acting game like how really like is Is this really getting Heather Debrough back out there in terms of wanting to be an actor, which was her storyline this season? Yeah. I mean, the Heather Debrough storyline machine is, I think, you know, not necessarily rooted in reality. Well, I love that. She had Mark Cuban on.

And I just don't even, like, are you one of those people that sees Mark Cuban and goes, wow, Mark Cuban? This is amazing. No, I think that demographic is probably more like my mom. Not my, not like my mom wouldn't care. but like women like my mom. I just wonder how much that even, because I see that and I'm like, oh God, we got to, like I like Mark Cuban a lot.

I love Shark Tank, but I'm like, oh God, we got to sit through this. Like, let's get back to the talking between the ladies. Right. Like Mark Cuban making an appearance on OC is not like a gag worthy moment. Yeah. I'm like, no, they got Mark Cuban. I don't have any feeling for that at all.

In fact, I'm one of those people that when they start doing like exercise in pools and like slip in slides, I don't even care. Like, I want just the women. talking. Like, you could just be on a couch for an entire episode. Yeah. I, no, I agree. And I think, you know, that's why, like, just like, I love, like, a good dinner, a messy-ass dinner party. Just, wait, why wasn't Vicky? Okay. I was just thinking about that as, as you were talking about, like, Heather was staying and going. I feel like this, it felt like the Mexico trip was maybe

setting up Vicky for kind of, like, a return narrative. And then, I mean, I guess Gina wouldn't have invited her to her Halloween party because Vicky doesn't like mess with Gina. Yeah. Like Gina's invisible to Vicky. But I don't, yeah, I, I'm curious who stays and who goes, who goes if it's the entire same cast. And a lot of people are saying, well, Gina, you know, we're always wrong. Anyways, Gina was on the chopping block.

But now that the Shannon Bador thing happened that they potentially need Gina. So Gina can confront Shannon on camera because of the comments about CPS. Yeah. I don't know. When I think about casting for next season, obviously there could be new people out there that we have never met before. But I don't I don't really have any qualms with this cast. Like there's nobody that I think didn't pull their weight this season. There's nobody that I'm really soft on.

I'm like, everything kind of worked for me. I have no. I think there's been enough casting issues in OC the last few seasons that I'm like, no, we found something that works. You can keep it. Yeah. Compared to the last two seasons before this, this has been. hands down way better. I mean, I thought last night was a little disjointed in terms of just, I don't know.

I don't know what I was expecting, but I kind of was like, okay, good, it's over. Not in a negative way, but like, who we got through another season. I think if everybody comes back next season, like we're going to have to get past the point of, like, Heather and Jen seeming like they've never had a conversation. And, you know, it's going to have to feel a little bit more like some kind of, I don't even want to say authentic friend group. We're going to confront Shannon Bador's actual issues. on this show next season if she comes back because now these are documented issues, not just

with John, but also potential alcohol abuse. And that's going to be really intense because all of these women have been around it. All of these women have commented on it on camera. And now there's actual proof away from cameras. And I think that's going to be a really intense season to watch. That's a good point. Seeing Shannon in that position would really be a different dynamic than we've kind. Because we've seen her like going through it, but never in a way that's always like,

related to something in her personal life or related to her friends being, you know, bitches to her. It's not usually like something really too big. Dr. Moon is going to ream her. Like this Dr. Moon and Dr. Tim now. Dr. Tim. Yes. I love that. Emily goes, oh, what kind of doctor are you? He goes, chiropractor. I've been working. I've been doing intense sessions with my doctor. It's a chiropractor. Emily's like, okay. But Emily like shed 50 pounds.

Like, I mean, so we're going to see that into this next season. I mean, all this Tamara stuff that the audience has pointed out because that's the one thing these housewives do pay attention to is what the audience says. We now see that all the time. Like, they listen to the podcast. They listen to this. And so it'll be interesting to see which of these ladies have paid really close attention to all of the discourse around Tamara and how she interacts. Also, you know, Tamara is, there's nobody who has their finger on the pulse more than Tamara when it comes to Housewives. And I think, you know, this season, like you were saying, Tamara probably left that party feeling like, oh, yeah, like I came out on top.

But watching it, I think a lot of people are going to feel like Heather was kind of right in at least a certain amount of the, you know, a certain percentage. But it's interesting with Tamara because she's such a she does have such a big place in terms of housewives. It's one of those interesting things is that she can be completely wrong and we know she's full of it. But she's still celebrated on this show. And I think that's a really great place for her to still be and for us as an audience to start maybe not wanting to completely vilify these people to where we need them off the show. Yeah, I think the question, though, is if Tamara feels like she's watching the show and people are siding with Heather, does she next season cozy up to Heather? Or does she go, you know, sharpen her knives in the off season and be like, okay, this is my, I got to fight the boss again. I like that.

It's like in the off season. and I always like to picture him training like Rocky, you know, like, da-na, you know, just like going up a hill. You gotta get into the like, Pokemon gym or whatever

and like work up your, I never quit Pokemon. Teacher teaching them like serves, like, tell me what you think I look like, you know? Trevor's got to like level up her attack. I mean,

it'll be interesting. And then we have BravoCon coming up. So it'll be interesting to see those ladies interact there. That's true. God, I'm really excited for Taylor and Jen at BravoCon. Like, I love that for that.

I remember. For last Bravo Khan, I was watching Tamara work a room at the top of the Gansvort. And she was like talking to like Heather and Terry. But like I remember it was her and Freddie Mellencamp and they were like going around the room. And I was like, and you could just tell they were collecting information. Well, I didn't realize. I guess I just this season of OC has kind of existed out of time and space for me. But when Gina was like, we're having a Halloween party.

I'm like, wait, it's, it's Halloween. I'm like, I'm thinking it's like December. Well, because they already talked about BravoCon and BravoCon was in November, right? BravoCon was in October last year. Oh. So I think they must have finished filming like two weeks after BravoCon. Yeah, because they did have cameras still going. Like I thought when they did that panel at BravoCon, it had been done.

Filming was done. Yeah. But then they kept going. I think maybe they did BravoCon and then went to Mexico and then had one more episode. Maybe. I don't know. It is always funny at BravoCon to like try. and suss out exactly where each cast is in the cycle.

You would drive yourself crazy, too. It's like the timelines, like they don't match up. How are we doing this? Well, it's like, wait, like, I sense tension, but I haven't seen the tension develop yet. And then with BravoCon with like, because they're not even letting the Salt Lake ladies do a panel because they don't want to interfere with the reunion.

Yeah. I mean, the Salt Lake panel was just maybe not the best environment for them again. And it's going to be like the same four of them going. Like, what is Angie going to be making, like, threats on Meredith's family live on stage? Angie's... It was that? It was a t-shirt or that? It was either I get a t-shirt or I kill your entire family. That's just how.

Those are the rules. Who can say? Roll the dice, Meredith. I, well, but speaking of, like, Heather Gay, I think is a little... Heather Gay pays attention to the audience, too. And I think that's potentially why she is now made up with Whitney a little bit more. Just thinking about, like, how Tamara will react in the off season. I think Tamara will not.

not sharp. I mean, her knives will always be sharp, but I think she'll buddy up with Heather, because I think that in the long term gives it a pivot, and then she'll be able to, like, do the reverse the next season. Yeah, I mean, totally. If she truly feels like they need her, like, they need Heather, it makes sense for her to kind of like ebb and flow a little bit and not just like push, push, push until she decides to leave. God, I truly, I would love, just what goes on in Tamara's mind every. And by the way, isn't she like a CBD billionaire, there, like her CBD company with Eddie. She's like, she's like, I'm selling the CBD company.

On the B, I think maybe an M. Yeah. I did like me. She's like, yeah, in a couple years we'll sell it. Do something else. Maybe sex toys. I don't know. Like, maybe sex toys.

I love that. Pivots or something. Great job. Maybe sex toys. It's never like a foundation, like something that would actually help society. It's, uh, no offensive sex toy. I think sex toys are amazing. That does help society.

I just mean in a different way. No, I know. It's not like the Tamara judge foundation. Exactly. Like Tamara, working with underprivileged youth. I'm sure when it comes time, hopefully she'll donate her brain to science.

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