Mention It All - We’re All Uneducated, Shallow Socialites Ft. Sami Sage (RHOBH)

Episode Date: January 25, 2024

Dylan is joined by Betches cofounder Sami Sage for a deep dive on the dynamics at play this season on RHOBH. They unpack Annemarie’s questionable approach to joining the show, and why Crystal’s alleged insults really aren’t that bad. They also chat through Kyle’s ~life journey~ and where this season ranks overall. Earlier in the episode, they catch up on the RHOSLC reunion, and break down an exciting RHOC filming update. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and I am so excited to have on the show today, Sammy Sage, co-founder of Betches, a close Bravo watching colleague of mine. Sammy, welcome back to the show. Thank you. We are just, we're just, we're experiencing riches right now with what. Bravo is giving us. It's the golden age. It's the golden age. I've mentioned a couple times that it still feels fake that Vanderpump Rules is already going to be back next week. You know, Salt Lake has just

concluded a really a banger of a season. And we've got, we're talking about Beverly Hills today. There's, there's a lot going on. There is, there is so much. Like, have they orchestrated? I mean, Summer House, we got a trailer. We, you know, we, we are in the middle of like, just the most incredible times right now. Salt Lake, we, you know, it's very, are you happy that Monica is like one and done? Look, it's complicated. If this were 2010 and I was on Facebook, the relationship status would be complicated with Monica, Garcia, Fowler, Darnell. I, I talked about this yesterday, but I think that because of the way Monica handled the end part of this season, it really would be difficult for her to come back in any sort of logical way.

That being said, I'm not necessarily happy that she's gone. I just think that they kind of, she kind of didn't give them any other choice if we're being realistic. That's exactly where I stands on it. Like, if she had sort of handled the reunion differently and all, of the post, everything in the aftermath separately and like, I don't know, tried to be more conciliatory and less in denial of the way she had hurt them. We could maybe talk. But the way that it is, like I'm kind of glad she was like a bottle season. And it'll always just be like

the reality of Montese season. And we don't have to now pretend like this is a normal thing. That like this like someone could troll you and then become your friend. Yeah. I saw some takes online that I think are pretty correct where it's like Monica leaving the show is a good thing for the health of housewives as a, you know, as a project overall. It might be bad for the, you know, entertaining level of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City remains to be seen. But that in general, like, Monica was great TV for the time that she was on Housewives, but that to be a great housewife, you can't flame out in one season. Right.

And you have to like sort of work within the norms of housewives once you've been called out. It sort of reminds me of how like Clarence Thomas should recuse himself from the court. You know, now that he's been involved in his wife is like up in all this shit. But like because there's no producer at NBC being like you got to go, he just, you know, he can't. It's like for the health of the nation. Right. It's like you're Heather Gay asking Andy, did you know that Jenny Thomas was reality botese? But nobody's worried about the credibility of the network. Exactly. Exactly. Like someone needs to be thinking about the good of the network. Like we need this, we need posterity here.

You know, we can't just have it decline from here. So I'm glad that it ended up that way. I'm also glad that it happened. I think that is the right call. And I also, I want to mention a piece of news that I saw yesterday that over in Orange County, Heather DeBrow and Emily Simpson were spotted out at a restaurant filming with Alexis Bolino. And this has been, you know, it's not breaking news that Alexis is, you know, likely coming back to the show. But it is kind of funny thinking about this in the wake of everything that's happened with Monica, where like, it seems pretty clear that a part of the reason Alexis is coming back to the show is like to fuck with Shannon because she's in a relationship with John Jansen. There seems to be this weird kind of like,

you know, loop happening there. And it's like, I like Alexis. I'm excited to see her on the show again, but also like is this casting like a little bit meta? Unhinged. I honestly like, here's the thing. yes, if Alexis hadn't already existed within the, you know, it's not like she's a random new girlfriend of John Jansen. The messy person here is John Jansen, let's be honest. And it would be one thing if she were like random and new and it was like, oh, this new person we're meeting. But Alexis Bellino is canon.

You know, she's Jesus jugs. Like she is important to the show. So the fact that he's dating her. I don't know who else to blame but him. You know, Bravo can't make him, can't make him buy her a Van Cleet ring unless they bought it themselves. But I don't think they did. I guess what the real comparison to it is on Married to Medicine this season, Quads ex-husband's new wife is like a full-time cast member on the show. And this is a woman who we have never met before.

She didn't exist in the universe in any capacity. and it feels like that is like, that would be the Alexis situation if Alexis hadn't been on the show before. But in this case, it's like, yeah, like, invite Alexis to dinner. Who cares? Right. Like, they have to. They can't not invite her, given that she's clearly within the world of the show. It's like, we're going to pretend this.

Imagine if, like, a drama just disregarded Alexis in the script. They wouldn't. That would be the central part of the arc that, like, the ex-boyfriend. who one of them had just gotten a DUI leaving his house like a day ago, then starts dating this other woman that from back in the day, like, it's genius. You can't make it up. Yeah. It's like, it's difficult to even explain the layers to it. I can't really. That's, that's what makes it so potentially compelling. And I hope that it is compelling when we get to see it on the season. Also because Alexis Bellino is, is also a character in her own right.

She's not just like a lady. You know, she herself is, is going to bring the drama. She's not just like anonymous woman number two. No. She's going to give us something to talk about. She's not a non-playable character. She's going to, exactly. This is why Bravo's in the golden age because it's been around long enough that all

these people can have really interesting histories that then bring meaning to their future scandals. It's, it's, it's real life can't bring us, can't bring us such. complexity. Truly. Okay, so I want to talk about Beverly Hills, and I think that actually is interesting considering what you were just saying about Bravo being in the Golden Age, about having all of these layers and connections. And I'm curious how, so we're, you know, probably close to the end of this season, honestly. How have you felt about this season of Beverly Hills? Because I think for me, it's been a little bit mixed. I'm curious to see, like, what your takes are.

it definitely falls in like the middle, middle layer, middle tier of seasons for me. But I don't think it's bad. Like I'm definitely not bored or not intrigued. And what I thought about this particular episode where they go to Barcelona, I felt that this episode was like a really true to form classic Bravo episode just in its structure and content. Like you have them, you have like the wind up to and you have a little. little bit of an argument, but you also have like the wind up to the next argument. You have

them packing to go on a trip. You have them on a great vacation. You have like mini dramas like Crystal getting sick and the ghost and the little people. And you get them at dinner. And I just thought it was like there was a lot of there was a lot of meat in this episode even though it wasn't like groundbreaking. Yeah. I think that that's something that this season of Beverly Hills has done a good job of is like there are just enjoyable moments of watching these women interact and be themselves. And I think I think Erica has been having a great season for the most part. And like her, even just in this episode, her kind of fun interactions with Sutton really kind of make me happy, like the way that she won Sutton's like personal life trivia.

a quick quiz. All the Sutton. And like Erica is like asking Mikey who this modern dance. Merse Cunningham. Oh my God. Who? Okay. Merth Cunningham was such like a random set piece.

But like thank you for this history. Although Sutton, why the fuck would you put this man in a Ziploc bag? I really, really question that. Sutton just casually bringing out a Ziploc bag full of human remains. Like a famous ballerina. famous dance producer choreographers remains. Sutton really like she she's one of those housewives that really contains multitudes and I feel like as long as she is on the show we're still going to keep getting these like plot points of her life that we've just like never heard of before.

She's like, oh yeah, I ran his dance studio for six years and he's one of the closest people in my life. It's like, wait, sorry, when? Yeah. Right. Like, and I was like, did they have like an affair? But then I was like, is he busy straight? Like it definitely was giving like something more than more than friends. But like then I'm like, okay, maybe it was just a mentorship relationship because she, you know, has like father stuff.

Like, I don't know. Either way, I thought it was very interesting. She's sort of like the definition of very eccentric. Good sleep is everything. That's why Ali's. science back support is made with a blend of melatonin and L-Dien for both kiddos and grown-ups. So when

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Asophageal. Yes. But I. Anna Marie, she's so, whatever, she's been on the show for a handful of episodes now, but it just feels like she doesn't quite click with the group at all. And like watching the show, like there's not been a single moment where I felt like it made sense what she was giving. Right. And the reason that actually it's more confusing to me is because there's a lot of housewives already. Like there's enough. of them and there's enough dynamics. And also like Denise Richards was in and Kim and Kathy were in. It's like, why did they need to bring her onto the show? That's what I didn't really understand is like you have these women who have relationships that they're building and they're pretty solid and they all have like pretty substantial arcs to their own lives. Like I'd rather watch to your point about Erica,

how she's having a good season. I can't help but feel that like, okay, she's not just having a good season because she's getting a good edit. I feel that she actually has like evolved. I can't like, in a real way on some level as a person. And like I'd rather watch more of that. I'd rather watch more of like even Kyle. Like I'd rather watch more scenes of what's going on with her than esophagate and Anne-Marie kind of like stirring shit up. Yeah, I think something that I am thinking of is like on a lot of Housewives seasons, I find that the personal storylines feel a little bit forced, and that when there's group drama or group scenes, things tend to flow a little better, or there's kind of a natural sort of tension there.

And I think that what's a little unusual about this season of Beverly Hills is that the personal storylines, aside from maybe Sutton's matchmaking experience, the personal storylines are actually pretty compelling. like Doreet and P.K. being on this kind of disconnect about her trauma and the issues that she's dealing with. That is really fascinating to me. I think Erica's sort of, you know, rebirth into her creative career. I think that's interesting. I think the Kyle and Mauricio stuff is actually more compelling than I expected it to be preseason, but it doesn't feel like we're getting that much of it. I mean, here and there. But I think with the with the group dynamic,

there's not a lot of big arguments this season, or at least in the last few episodes, except for whatever Anna Marie is kind of stirring up with her in Sutton and then with her in Crystal. And I think that because Anna Marie hasn't really shown us much about her as a person, I don't feel like these interpersonal conflicts are sort of grounded in anything. It just feels like it feels like the new girl has arrived and is trying to make something happen. And I, I don't necessarily, I think it's unfortunate because I feel like there's a possibility that she could be really interesting or that she could have something worthwhile to share. But the way that it's coming across this season, and I believe that maybe it's partially the edit, because she said that she filmed more like personal stuff that isn't shown, whatever. But like, what we are seeing of her just isn't, it doesn't feel compelling when you compare it to people that you've been watching for five.

seven, 10 plus years going through these real, you know, life changes. Yeah. I mean, what I've gotten most out of her is the knowledge about what a nurse anesthetist is versus what an anesthesiologist does. So I agree with you. Like it probably is the editing because I'm sure there are interesting things about her. And I even bet that there are good, there are scenes that make her seem likable. but when her main function is to sort of almost act like Brandy Glenville-esque without any connection for being there in the first place, it sort of feels like, why do we need this? Because like I'd also like to watch more about, I'd watch more scenes about what's going on between Derreet and Kyle. That's also very interesting. And the four of them, like, what's that relationship like?

Make those people film together. And like, after having not seen each other for a while, like that scene with Doret. retop like talking about Kyle's clothes. I was like that is so more that's so much more like revealing about the way things have evolved than is clear. Unless you're like a real watcher of it. And yeah, I just think that they kind of like it's it's not like a waste of time. Like I'm actually interested in diving into whether Crystal called everyone shallow and uneducated. But like esophagus, no. Yeah. And. And, and, and, I think it feels like Anna Marie is really latching on to these conflicts as a way to sort of

cement herself in the group. But I think that, you know, the viewer experience, it just isn't landing. And so the fact that it's coming up again and again, it's, it's flopping even harder than it would have if it was like a one episode, you know, little diversion. I think, though, like the Kail and Derreet dynamic is super interesting and we've seen those scenes where it's like, you know, Derit's mad that Morgan heard about something and not her. And like it does feel like that is something that could really be like a central focus of a season. And we're sort of not doing that here. And I don't know if it's because I don't know, maybe they weren't kind of like giving the editors enough to work with in that sense. But it does feel like that's,

something where if you're looking at real houseways of Beverly Hills as like an over like a season's long arc, Kyle and Doreet's sort of like fizzling kinship is something that is has is years in the making, you could say. Totally. And also, okay, I have a theory because I watched, well, I didn't really watch it on purpose, but it played after another episode I was watching and I tuned in after a minute. We've all been there. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

So, you know the after show where they like sit and talk on that like set that they just put on peacock? Yeah. So I was watching the one for last week. And a big topic was like how, how, uh, Mauricio didn't go to the celebration of life for Lorene. And they were all kind of talking about it. And like, Kyle was elaborating more on the scheduling of it. And I can't explain it, but I just, and this is just my theory. I just got a feeling like the real reason he wasn't there is that Kyle kind of chose to work around Morgan's schedule so she could perform rather than Mauricio's so he could attend.

And the reason I think this is because Kyle sort of started like almost defending him for why he couldn't be there rather than like being like, oh, he doesn't support me. Like this is why I'm kind of like checked out, which made me think that like it was more. a mutual decision about when they would have it. And then she picked that. I think that there is a little bit of discrepancy in the timeline we're seeing on the season versus what their real sort of like relationship position was. Because on the season, we're not really being told that they are separated. We're being told that they are as distant as they've ever been and going through a weird

time and figuring things out. But I think in the like show timeline, the separation proper is not going to happen until the very end of the season. But there have been comments and things over the course of the season that sort of suggest that it's like an if you know, you know kind of thing. Because when, um, when Kim and Kyle were having that conversation about one of Kim's kids was getting married, I think. And Kim made a comment that she was like, oh, well, like, I assume Maricio's not coming with you. And it's like, okay, why? Like, if there's still like a married couple, going to a family wedding together would be like pretty standard. And then even this episode, when Derreet was like, is Kyle looking for a new husband in Spain? It's like, she's not split from her current husband yet.

Like, what's the, I think that obviously there can be a lot of different sort of like soft phases of a separation. I mean, separation itself is a pretty loose concept. But that it does feel like to some of the people closest to Kyle that it feels like at this point, her marriage was already sort of like at least on pause maybe. That's exactly. that's exactly how I feel it was because you saw them this year spending like the holidays together. Yeah. Like we, there really haven't been very many moments of the season where we've seen Kyle act like she wants to work on her marriage. Where I think with like with P.K. and Derreet for comparison's sake, like it feels like they are actively trying to get past some stuff.

Whereas with Kyle and Maricio, they're sort of just biding their time until they pull the plug. honestly like I don't I my theory on this is like I don't know if they will actually end up divorcing but my feeling is that like this was like a rebellion for Kyle like I feel like she was like this is probably how she like grew up in the past like year like her she has this thing with her sister her best friend takes her own life and she and she she's probably like fed up with Maricio kind of doing his own thing. And like, I just see this as like such a rebellion because Morgan doesn't even seem to really like be that into her. It almost seems like Morgan's like pumped about this like fame and like excitement that she can get from being involved in this.

And Maricio seems like he's like, okay, I'll just like let her do her thing. Like I really have fucked with her a lot. Like, but you know, at the end of the day like I can see her like, it just seems like she's doing this because she's more mad at him than she's like done with him. I can't explain it. Like so much of it seems like she's doing it to like rebel and get his attention. And I think if she really wanted to leave him, she would be without a man rather than a woman. And I could see her thinking like this is almost like I can like not like I can like rebel but not make him. be like, oh, well, like, I'm leaving you because you, like, left me.

Yeah. Kyle's on her room spring. I think that's what's happening. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, she's going to have, like, she's going to have like a year and a half of, you know, going to concerts and getting tattoos. And then she's going to be like, no, this is, this is where I belong. Like, with, with her kids, it's because the family seems so, like, tight knit.

I don't know. And Maricio seems like he would just be like, okay, I can get past that because, like, I've done a lot of things. Yeah. like, okay, baby, come home. Yeah, exactly. That's why he's like, love being. Yeah, I also like, there's just a difference between when people are in like a complicated

divorce situation or like a split where finances are tough or one person is really kind of at a disadvantage, that stuff gets so messy. And it's like, okay, like, we're, we're staying in the house because it's complicated and whatever. But with Kyle and Maricio, like, they are both fully like capable of just. going their own way. So I feel like if they really like, if Kyle was in a place where she's like really disgusted with Mauricio and wants to like start a new life, she would have been in a condo like six months ago living her best life. But that's, that's clearly not. Or one of her own

condos. She clearly isn't interested in like fully like cutting the cord. And I think that she, it seems like she's the kind of person where if she felt like she was done with that, relationship for good, that it would be like, oh my God, I can't wait to start the next chapter. Yeah. And like, I do feel that she's probably like learning more about herself through sobriety and, you know, maybe just becoming acquainted with a different piece of herself, which is a good thing. You know, and I think that like, the other thing I noticed from the last episode is like, are they in separate rooms? Because you know the room that she was like talking with the shoes on, she had her shoes on her bed, which killed me. And but she.

was like unpacking her a new pair of shoes she got and she's like these are Morgan shoes oh my god and then she calls Sutton and like I don't know I feel like their bedroom was a different room so I don't know maybe it's a guest room I don't know if anyone's an expert please advise would she unpacked the shoes I was like wait does Morgan not have a mailing address in L.A. like is she just crashing with you did they go shopping is I think that that's what I thought they went shopping together and they must have switched the bags and they and they bought like hers and hers Botega shoes. Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah, these are Morgan's shoes. I rewound that like five times. I do feel like there have been moments like that this season

where I'm like, if Kyle was really trying to like hide something, she wouldn't say shit like that on camera. And so I'm like... In the camera. Right. There is just this weirdness where I'm like, okay, like you, it seems like you're hiding something, but then also if you are, you're doing a supremely bad job of it. Like, I'm very interested to see where we end this season with Kyle Richards because obviously this is something that was filmed now like many months ago. And we haven't really heard too much from her lately. And so I'm like, where are we in the life of Kyle at this point? And I feel like the reunion could be like-

There's more family time being had. Yes. And she's good with Kim, which I love. You know, I think she and Cassie. have sort of amended bridges. Like, I don't know. And Mauricio's out with Anita. Yeah.

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So, okay, Anna Marie brings up that the first time she met Crystal, which we're told was like December 2020. So like before this season was filming, but not that, not that long ago, the first time Anna Marie says that, Crystal told her the group of women was uneducated and shallow and that she was the only one who's really a socialite. And okay, I feel like, so I feel like that's like three separate counts. Yeah. She's being charged with with with with three crimes. And it's shallow and not a socialite. And the third one, the socialite one, to me, I'm just like, I cannot imagine Crystal. saying that. I can't see her saying socialite, but I could see her saying like no one else would genuinely get invited to Kathy Hilton's parties. And what I think this comment was really about, I think this comment was really about to read Erica, Rina and Kyle. And I think she said it really about them as like the multitude of the group at the time, December 2020. She was talking about the Fox Force Five. And I think she's referring to like how Kyle did not read the LA Times piece and how they all. And how they all.

all were like kind of like I see how she would have said this about them about those people at that point and that was like most of the key cast members because Crystal is really friends with Kathy Hilton. So she definitely thinks she's like, you know, the closest to real socialitness. I don't believe she said socialite or whatever, but I believe she expressed a sentiment like this and it doesn't. And also, they are shallow. Have you seen, have you, have you, have you, have you seen Doreet's whole fucking thing? Like, it's, yeah, I think it's interesting because I think that shallow in particular is something that I think is probably objectively fairly

accurate to at least half of this group. But at the same time, it also is not surprising to me that Doreet would be deeply offended that somebody said she was shallow. It's this weird thing where it's like, oh, you know, we all say things, we all talk, whatever, whatever, and that even if Crystal did say all three of those things, and, you know, I think that what we're dealing with here is something that happened off camera, so we're never going to be able to roll footage. And I would, I would guess that Crystal said like a softer version of most of these things. Like I, you know, we saw the footage of her on the show saying that they're not necessarily like highly educated or that maybe they don't know what a word means.

Like that's not out of the realm of what Crystal would say. But like I think that. But like what is Crystal's education? Like, like, does she mean educated or does she just mean like they're not intellectual? Because anyone can be educated at any level and that doesn't really necessarily speak to their intellect. I don't think that Crystal is. like, she's not Dr. Wendy.

She's not counting degrees in this group. Like that I think that she probably does believe, and we've seen a little bit of, that she feels like she's maybe operating on a higher level than some of these women, both, you know, socially and intellectually. And I think that it's tough because it feels like Anna Marie is sort of banking on this as like a way to make

Crystal look really bad in the group and that like I almost feel like it it feels irrelevant because it's like, okay, this happened off the show. You don't have any evidence. Like you don't have any receipts. Like it just feels like you're sort of throwing shit at the wall to try and make yourself seem like somebody who has a valid argument to be there. Exactly. Like I believe, I almost wish Crystal would have been like, yeah, I said that. I mean, are there, are there? you know, I speak the truth about what I think. And again, like, be like at the time, like, Erica, you were like obsessed with not giving back these earrings. Though I will say her point about how no one was like acting. Yeah. Was like, honestly, like, I give that point to her. Like,

people were really excited when she was like, she had a case against her. And it really is a little unfair that they're not acknowledging when she was like, I agree. I agree. I. I agree. I. I, I, because the thing is, look, if Erica decided that she wanted to sell those earrings and donate the money to victims of whatever, would that be a lovely gesture? Sure. Yes. But, but I thought it was weird that Garcell's response was still like, just give them back. Because it's like, the argument before was that she like, legally should give them back. And if that's been debunked, then like, she can do whatever she wants. Like, you, you donate a Birkin. Like, I don't know. Right, right. Like I get the like, well, I guess it has to go to a lower court. Whatever.

It's more like they all sort of were, I would be, even if I were the person. And at the time, I was like, yeah, Erica was totally like in on this. I feel like I would be like excited that my friend was not in this position. Either way, even if I was wrong before, be like, oh, this is good. Like you were not found guilty of the thing that we were all afraid of. that you were guilty of because of your association. Remember, they were all worried about having to lawyer up. So they should be happy that they don't need to lawyer up anymore at all.

You should be happy that your friend isn't going to like incriminate you for something. Yeah. Like you guys were so worried about it. But whatever. What did you think the other thing was in this brought us into the real world where last night Crystal posted something on Instagram after the episode in response to Doreet Doreet's confessional

She's calling her like A child bride And saying like when When you were getting married I was like being educated in the world And like building a business Yeah Yeah

So yeah Crystal posted this thing It was like ways to keep your marriage healthy And it was like buy And it was like a bunch of like actual nice things And then it was like Buy your wife diamonds Don't rent them

Yeah Yeah Set aside quality time together express love and appreciation, manage conflict constructively. Buy, don't borrow diamond necklaces for your wife. Okay, well, not everyone has Lion King royalties, Crystal. I'm just going to say that. I think, yeah, it's, it's interesting.

The Doreet and Crystal, like, I don't know if feud is even the right word, but their, their tension with each other. I actually think is really interesting. And I feel like it's mostly at this point being explored in confessions and on social media, which I would, so I would love if we could bring. that to the forefront a little bit in terms of the actual scenes that are being filmed. Because I think that Crystal is a really interesting, unique person in Housewives where, yes, she got married quite young to a man significantly older than her who has a lot of money.

But I think that we also have, we've heard that we don't talk much about Crystal's professional life on the show, and she's talked about how her coconut water brand is like the second largest in the world, I think. And so it's strange to me, like, I get, if they don't show us that on the show very much, that people might not know. But for somebody like Derreet, who's now known Crystal for a handful of years to make comments about how, you know, she's not doing anything and she doesn't have a business and all of that, it's like, you know that's not true. And I mean, the child bride thing is just like, that's just rude. But like in terms of the, in terms of the business, it's like everyone in this group should know that Crystal is like a successful businesswoman in her own right at this point.

Yeah, that bothers me because they all sort of act like she isn't who she is. And like they're sort of relying on the viewer's ignorance of the real reality in LA. That's one thing. And then the other piece is, okay, she did get married to 24. And I think more the point is that she married someone older. But if you're, she's born in 1983. Getting married at 24 if you're born in 1983 was very normal. So I, Kyle got married at 19 and then divorced.

So like, I don't understand like why Derreet thinks that that's like it's just so clearly a dig. And I will say that following this episode, popped something popped up on my Reddit feed, which was a, um, like kind of like a deep dive into the timeline of Dorit and PK. Do you know they met in 2011? That is the year we started Betches. Like they met in that year. That's crazy. Like crazy, crazy recent or recent? Don't you feel like they were long? Like longer? Should be longer. Oh my God. I think Siri just heard what we were saying. Um, no, Derreet and PK are funny. because I feel like on housewives, they're sort of presented as this, like, timeless love story.

But they didn't get married until pretty shortly before she was on housewives. It's interesting because, like, comparing them to Maricio and Kyle. Like, Maricio and Kyle have been together for over 25 years. They have multiple adult children. They've been together that whole time. And so even the amount of time that we've known Kyle on the show that she's been married, to Maricio is like not even half of the time they've been together. Whereas like Doreen, P.K., yeah, they're like a fun couple on housewives, but they've been married less than 10 years. Like,

it's not, not that that's like anything to scoff at me as a single person. I'm not like, fuck your 10 year marriage. But like, it is kind of funny that it's like, there's a little bit of holier than thouness. And it's like, for what? It's more about like the impression. Like, I would not have to, when I saw that they met. in the year that I graduated college, I was like, wait, like, they have, how? Because they didn't, it's not like when they went on the show, it was like, oh, we were just married a year ago, which is, which would have created a very different impression of things. Oh, I guess they had kids first, but either way. And they met while he was still married to his ex-wife. Kyle's also two

years younger than Doree. And she has these four adult children. So it's just very like, I don't know. De Reet is very like, I don't know. I really enjoy her. But there's definitely something afoot. I think Kyle's younger than Pke, not Doreet. Isn't she 57? Oh, Doreet's 47.

Oh, sorry. Sorry. I was thinking she's 57. Oops. Okay, you're right. No, PK is like 57. Right, right. Okay, yeah.

That's what I was the best. Yeah. I think that Crystal, you know, however much you like her or think she's a great housewife or something, I do think there is kind of a genuine claim to be made that she has been sort of like treated as sort of like... She got barbied. She got barbied.

Like she's like less serious than the rest of the women on the cast. And I think that that's just like it's not, it doesn't reflect reality because it's like in her professional life, in her social life, in her marriage and her personal life. like she's kind of crushing it in all of those departments. And I think that it's just, it doesn't really reflect reality. And there was just, um, on last night's episode of Miami, which we won't, we won't get into today. There's just not time.

But, um, it was like, Adriana pointed out that Alexia might be threatened by Nicole because like Nicole has the actual like Barbie lifestyle. She has, she has the real money. She has the houses she owns. She has the clothes. she has all this stuff. And I think that with with crystal, I don't know if it's a one-to-one comparison because I don't think Crystal really like portrays herself as the Barbie of Beverly Hills. But like, I think in a way she she has it. She has it more than some of these other women.

I think what you're pointing out is like not an uncommon dynamic among women in groups. And that's like it's not crazy that you'd see those powers. parallels in both. And that is exactly what I think is also kind of, that's what I think the like uneducated and shallow comment is what Crystal was trying to get at was like the like, like, and I think she was again particularly speaking about like the Fox Force five and how they're like climbing and how she is really at the place that they're climbing to. And that's really what she's trying to get at. And it almost I it's almost more annoying that she's like, trying to get out of the lie, but I can see why she wouldn't be like, yeah, I fucking said it because it's true. Yeah, I think. Although that would be crazy. Right. Like, her saying it's true would make the women, would give the women like a better reason to hate her, even if she would still sort of be correct.

Maybe. Right. But I kind of feel like, I really don't feel like she said that in reference to Sutton and Garcell. Yeah, no, I don't think so. And I don't think that she really think, I don't think she really thinks that in like a mean way necessarily. Yeah. I don't know. I think I think that Crystal. They were also mean to her at that time. Like they were really mean to her. And like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Overall though, I, I'm enjoying Crystal's energy these last few episodes. I don't necessarily think that she's like always so quiet and whatever. But I like that we're kind of getting this like fiery. from her and I'm I'm curious to see kind of how the rest of this trip goes. I'm eager to find out what's going on with her veins personally. God, that's what a nightmare.

How could you withhold this knowledge as a nurse and activist? Yeah. I know. She holds, when Kyle's like she holds Crystal's life in her hands, it's like, okay. It's like, you have a camera crew and there's insurance on this. Like, I don't think Bravo's letting you like go anywhere. You know, we've seen what happened in Columbia.

and Cardahena with the... Right. When they're filming a housewives show, this isn't like a, is there a doctor on board situation? Like, they have a hookup for that. They're thinking about it. Yeah. Yes. Oh, Sammy, this has been so fun.

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