Mention It All - We’re Gonna Need A Bigger Crystal (Below Deck, RHOD, RHOSLC)

Episode Date: January 28, 2021

Dylan and Bari give a quick update on all the upcoming Bravo shows, then dive into a packed episode. They start with Below Deck, and give their updated thoughts on Francesca vs. Elizabeth, and share their excitement about the upcoming charter guests. Next, they break down RHOD, and question why Kameron and Kary seem so dead-set on disliking D’Andra. Finally, they get into RHOSLC, where the Jen Shah hurricane has left a path of devastation in Las Vegas. They explore the ever-evolving relationship dynamics on the show, and wonder if Mary will ever leave her closet again. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And I'm Barry Rosenfeld Happy Thursday Happy Thursday We have a lot to talk about it today Yes we do And it's not like all of a sudden, I feel like we kind of say this a lot, but like there's so much going on in the Bravo world these days. And it's nice because I feel like last like spring, summer when we were kind of like in the first, you know, quarantine wave, there was this vibe of like, we have to cherish our Bravo shows now because everything is messed up. And like in six months, we might not have any new shows. And all of a sudden it's like, oh, no, you're going to be busy. No, I totally remember that. Like in the beginning, we really thought we were in jeopardy.

Like we weren't going to have anything to talk about. But boy, were we very, very wrong. Now we have to rearrange our days. We were like, thank God they pushed Potomac because then there won't be anything else in the fall. And yeah, I mean, so now we have summer house starting next week. We have Jersey next month, below deck sailing, March 1st. And then just announced, Mary to Madison comes back on March 7th. So, I mean, there is plenty of new content coming down the pipeline.

And you guys know I started my married to Madison journey this week. Yes. You were texting me about it. I have two seasons left to get through with like, we have like a little over a month. I mean, you will, you, the limit does not exist to how quickly Barry can make it through a TV show. I personally, I'm like a little bit of a more of a slow burn binger, but I will also get. through it. Yeah, Married to Medicine, I feel like, is very underrated. I don't know if we'll be recapping it like every week, but we definitely want to show it some love. So we will be

catching up in time for the premiere. Yeah, but today we are talking about below deck, real houses of Dallas, real houses of Salt Lake City, and there's a lot to unpack within these three shows. We'll start with below deck, I mean, mostly because it's first, but also I feel like it will be the quickest. Yes, always. So first of all, James and Elizabeth are just like a fucking mess. I would hate to be on the boat with them. I just feel like they're one of those couples that just draw everyone into their drama. And it's like, why are we, why are we doing this? Okay. But little detail. Did anyone else notice that James is quote unquote, eggplant parm in Elizabeth's phone? I was, I wasn't, I wasn't feeling that too much.

Elizabeth, you endanger, girl. But Elizabeth, the thing is, wow, this has really took a turn. Like, James is still being an uber douche. Like Elizabeth, just walk away. I feel like she, she does, we do see her randomly taking like a deep breath and going, like, into another cabin because she has James being a douche. She has Francesca being a bitch to her at all times of the day. So I can, I can see how Elizabeth is like a little, a little frustrated. But girl, just do some yoga on the top deck.

Okay. This episode is like a crazy ride because it goes from the beginning where James is still being like an absolute dick, basically ignoring her, flirting with Ashling in front of her, like, totally acting, like, why would, why would she be upset? Like, what am I doing? And then they, by the end of the episode, they're having sex in a guest cabin again. And it's like, you, like, she is fully just on the James roller coaster. And it's like, I get it. I get it. Like, there aren't a lot of options. Homegirl is horny. Like, there aren't a lot of options. But it's like, Elizabeth. Like, she is, She is not helping herself out even a little bit.

Listen, she wants to D. She's going to do whatever she can to get it. But here's the thing. We have to talk about this guest cabin situation because Francesca is getting on my goddamn freaking nerves. Okay. So she even goes to Eddie. This is the second time she goes to Eddie to be a rat on Elizabeth.

Okay. So even Eddie for the second time goes, well, you need to be, they need to be caught red handed for that. Like you can't, you can't like do he said, she said for that. And then he walked away. Francesca goes and digs and digs and asks Elizabeth. And Elizabeth was like, didn't know what to do. It's like if any boss asks you a question, you're like stuttering over your words, whatever.

But that wasn't right that Francesca was asking her because you have no proof whether or not Elizabeth says she slept in there or not. You have no proof that they did. I mean, I disagree. I think that's the kind of thing where it's like that is like a really bad offense on the boat to like have sex and a guest. So I don't think it's, I don't think it's wrong to be asked about it. like if I you know like if I were to be like embezzling money from the company or something and my boss doesn't and my boss like gets a tip it's not like against you know like it's not like out of their like situation to like ask me if it if I did it like I think it's the kind of thing where it's like it would be one thing if it was like oh like Elizabeth didn't like wash the dish she was supposed to but it's like you fucked in the gas cabin without permission that is like a fireable offense and I don't think it's like like anything wrong on Francesca's part to ask her if it's true. No, no, no.

Listen, I get what you're saying and I agree. My point is that what got me mad is that Eddie told her that, you know, there's nothing we can do about it. And then she didn't basically didn't like that answer. So then she proceeded to go and was like, no, let me ask. That's what I didn't like. To be clear, though, that's in, it's not really Eddie's jurisdiction because it's an interior thing. And Francesca specifically said. You guys, Dylan and I are like, are you?

It's not maritime law, but it's unspoken, that a crew member can't sleep in the guest cabin without the express permission of the captain or the chief stew. So it's like, I think she's on the- Maritime book you have in front of you. Close it. Don't read it in front of the list. I'll put it back. I'll return it to the library. Yeah, I mean, to me, it's just like Elizabeth,

maybe in that specific situation, Francesca could have gone about it better, but it's like Elizabeth has been whining this whole season and she isn't doing anything to help herself out. And watching her be like, well, I mean, like, I, it was like an, like, I sat down on the bed. It's like, girl, shut the fuck up. We heard you moaning on the camera. Like, yeah.

I don't know. I'm done. I'm like over Elizabeth. I think she is like kind of entertaining on the show. But like, as an employee, I'm like, yeah, you suck. Like. Oh, 100%. But the thing is also at one point, Elizabeth went up to Francescom.

I was like, hey, what else can I do? Which I'm sorry at this point of your job. you should know what you should be doing. But she was being nice and just being like, what do you need me to do? And Francesca, like, snapped at her.

And I thought it was funny because at that point, Francesca's the one that messed up and got in trouble because, so I think she was like embarrassed and like flipped on Elizabeth. But like, oh, God, this, no one can get their job, right,

except we have to talk about Rachel. Rachel's still hitting it out of the ballpark. Like, yeah, Rachel has, I don't think she's really had a big mess up in the kitchen this whole season. And we find out this this week that she was a contestant on America's Next Top Model. I did a little digging. I don't think she wasn't one of the like main contestants that made it to

the competition. I think she was, you know how in the first episode they would be like interviewing girls and then they would choose like 13 contestants. I think she was just in that first like interview round. But still it's like there's footage of her on the show. Oh yeah. I used to. I used to like watch that show religiously and then I haven't in like years but I don't recognize her from America's next step model. No, I, funny, fun fact, she said

cycle three same season that Eva won. That is what we like to call a fun fact. I would love to know if they were ever like in the waiting room for their interviews together or something because I just can't imagine them having a conversation but you know, it was a long time ago. I mean, okay, honestly

next week I'm more excited because because the Queen of Versailles, who we've seen before, is on this show. And I can't wait. Because I thought they were poor. I watched their movie on Netflix and they don't have any more money. That was like, I mean, that was in the financial crisis and they've since bounced back. That was like 12 years ago. Okay, good, good, good, good, the house is still not finished, but they are, as Karen Huger would say, debt-free and loaded. Perhaps not debt-free, but they do have money. But you guys should also watch that documentary. It is.

I love Queen of Versailles. I'm very excited. Jackie Siegel is like one of the most ridiculous people in the world. So she's going to be a great charter guest. She is a good guest, though. She is a good guest in general. Like she doesn't care about anything. Their family business is like time shares and stuff. So she should know about like staying in other people's houses or so I don't know how that works.

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a lot of tequila. I don't know. I was like, okay. go off, I guess. And guys, filming for me in this situation would be so annoying because the last thing I want to do when I'm hungover after a party is now break out into groups and go to my friend's house and discuss. Like, it's one thing to wake up in your friend's house and discuss what happened the night before or like FaceTime, but to get up, get ready, go. We saw cam in sweatpants, okay?

That was, that's how you know they were hungover. I almost was wondering. I feel like this episode, they were trying to like cram a lot in. Like, I wonder if they had like specific days that they were like, everybody's been tested. we have to film another scene. Because all of a sudden you have Deandra's house where Brandy and Carrie are hanging out. And then Cameron's house where Steph and Jen come over. And it's like, oh, wow, the whole group is together, the morning after.

Cam is still talking about the chicken foot. It's like, let the mouse go. It's, we've done it enough. And then Carrie is like shit talking Deandra saying that she's like only focused on herself. And this is like a feud out of nowhere. Yeah. I'm getting a little, like, annoyed about that just because when Carrie, like, you can tell Carrie just starts, like, out of nowhere. And it's like, it's like annoying to watch because

she's, like, mean to Deandra and, and starts like, as if they're in like middle school and just is like, well, you didn't do that. You didn't do that. And it's like, Carrie, stop. Relax. Like, it's the kind of thing where it's like, I, I'm sure I don't doubt that there's like some basis for it. But it comes across very like, I decided that this season, Deandra is going to be my. enemy and now I'm going to talk shit about her every chance I get and she, I don't know, there were lots of Shenan Degas at her birthday party. She's like, Shenan Degas, and it took, you could tell the producer and the confessional, it took them a minute to realize that she meant shenanigans, which I thought was really funny.

That is when, when the producers don't even know like what, what she was saying, but listen, she's trying. That's not, it's funny when she like can't. Also, I've noticed last episode when they were like, Her, what does she always, she always says it's a situation. And I was like she does. They have worked this into the episode like 12 times now. I'm like, damn, okay. I guess she says it. Absolutely. And also, we can't not talk about Olivia impersonating her mother because that was. Oh, my God. Very, very accurate and funny. Olivia is like a breakout star. Out of nowhere, like MVP child on Real House Missed Dallas.

It's interesting because most of the, most of the Dallas cast have young kids. Like, we've never had like teenagers and stuff really on the show before. Like I think brandy probably has the oldest kids other than Carrie. And so it's it's nice to have kind of that dynamic of a real mature conversation. Olivia's being open about struggling with depression. And it's, I think it kind of is helping out Carrie look better on the show because that's a situation, a situation where like, I actually am like wow like it's nice to see her in this kind of position where she is like you know caring for her daughter and saying like it makes me feel so bad that I like how did I not notice and that's I think something that a lot of people and I'm sure a lot of parents can relate to

that it's like not always being aware of what your kids are going through. Yeah I agree. I think that the more air time Olivia has had like in her. her confessional, she's becoming more and more like of someone like I want to listen to speak. And I feel like this year, not this season, this year. I know we've talked about this a bunch, but like the kids are really making like a story here. And it's really, really great that we're seeing just different perspectives on life and different things that they're going through. Because yeah, on these shows, like we see, okay, Carrie's getting drunk on her 50th birthday. And like,

that's what we like to see. But now we are really seeing more of like behind the scenes and how the kids are dealing with everyday events and how the parents have to deal with that. Because we've seen them, you know, cook them dinner or whatever. But to actually have a sit down of them discussing real life issues is something different. Right. Like on Atlanta, when Noel is kind of like talking sense into her mom about wedding stuff, it's like, yeah, that's actually like a really helpful kind of like voice to have in the room. Wait, I love though, when Carrie came out. And she's like, hi, Livy.

Oh, okay, so your hair's still purple. Like starting it off strong. I thought two washes. It was going to go out. So then we have Brandy's birthday is happening, which I was looking up Housewives' birthdays. And fun fact, Carrie's birthday is actually like four days after Brandy's birthday on the calendar. So I'm wondering if this was because Brandy had traveled to Florida. they had to like do her birthday party after in case she couldn't be with the cast or something.

I don't know. I think that's like the simplest explanation. But I just was like, oh, that's weird. Yeah. Or I mean, there could have been a lot or like it was production and they just like switch the episodes. Who knows? I don't know. But I think that it made me sad because I really miss going to a winery. And I'm just like daydreaming about it. But I, I, thought it was like me, was it Cameron who like threw Brandy's stickhead on the ground, which one of them got off the bus. And I was like, that was so uncalled for. It's not a real person. Well, it's like, so Deandra is the one planning this event and she puts this like mannequin head on a stick and it's Captain Brandy.

I don't, okay, it was like a dumb gag. I thought it was kind of funny at first, whatever. but Carrie and Cameron have decided that this is like the most obnoxious thing they can imagine and that Deandra is trying way too hard and they're like, you know, like, Deandra's just not funny like that and she's trying to be funny and it's like, it's really like cringe. And it's like it's not that cringe. Like it's just like a dumb joke. And I feel like they're using this like dumb joke to like push their agenda that Deandra is like obnoxious and it's like just just chill it's not that deep well first of all de andres just

she's not up i would never um that's not a word i would use to to describe deandra like to be honest let's go back to i want to say something i carry started with deandra again and was like critiquing her party planning and was like the tequila is too warm you you didn't have ice like at that point i was like you're this is like not even like a fun fight you're just truly being like mean and annoying and like That's not party planning. That's just you nitpicking things. Like DeAndra didn't do anything wrong. And at that point, whenever this happens to Deandra, I don't know if you feel this way, I feel like she feels so like helpless and doesn't know what to do. Yeah, I think this season Deendra seems to kind of have like a fresher energy. Like she seems less weighed down by the stuff that's going on with her mom and her company, which I appreciate. But it's like, yeah, like Cameron and Carrie especially. seem very bothered by Deandra in a way that it's like it doesn't necessarily seem based on anything real so they're like or at least that we know about so they're like fixating on all these

dumb things and it's like nobody cares about like Captain Brandy is not worth right and making a thing about right and the issue is I feel like exactly what you just said when this happens when people like just have nothing else to like talk about or or have a problem with them. They find someone weaker than them or that are that is doing well in life. Like Deandra's doing great. She's, you know, looks great, feels great. Everything's great. So I don't know. That's just my take on it. Maybe it's like they are sad with themselves. So they're like, let's pray. Well, and this happened. So on the show, Cameron is making a dig about how Deandra gets money from her mom. And Deandra, both on Twitter and on Watch What Happens Live, was like,

you get all your money from your husband like like really like is this the route you want to go down like deandra like i mean clearly she's gotten help from her mom but like she does have she does work like she's not it's not like she has nothing going on also like as a grown woman that is such a weird dig to make like where you get your money from that's weird especially like where it's come like where the sources especially when you are clearly having your lifestyle funded by your husband. Correct. Correct. No, that's the thing.

Like, no shade to anyone's financial situation. It's just like a weird road to go down for these people, especially. Yeah, like, nope, literally, we don't care. But, like, don't call it out if you're the one dealing with it also. So thanks. How's Sparkle Dog. No, sorry, that was a dig. Oh, my God.

I'm having fun, though, like, this winery trip seems interesting. I'm excited to see what goes on. I want to hear more from Jen because I feel like Jen is like she I mean she was supposed to be a housewife until sometime like late in the process and so clearly they've kind of like cut some of her stuff but like she's always there and she hasn't had a confessionally yet and so I'm like I want to I want to know what she's thinking because I feel like she has a lot going on beneath the surface I agree I feel like her and Carrie to sorry her and Cam together are remind me of like a 2000s chick flick like duo right how funny are they to get Like simple life. Well, because I've noticed Jen has this habit of like, Cameron will be like, yeah, girl. So Brandy is like saying this to me. And then Jen will be like, yeah, totally, girl. Brandy is saying that to you.

And then she's like, I just didn't. It was really funny. The last episode, Cameron was like, you know. Don't poke. Don't poke. She was like, I did not have a good time at dim sum. And Jen's like, yeah, me too, girl. I had a ball.

And Cameron was like, no, I didn't have fun. I know, but then at the end of that conversation, I think it was don't poke. She was like, don't poke, don't poke. And Gem was like, don't poke. It's so funny. I'm, I'm enjoying the season. I feel like it's just like a little, you know, it's entertaining. I'm liking it.

And now shall we move on to, oh, my Atlanta, Real House of Salt Lake City. I don't even, I'm not even kidding. Like, I don't have words anymore to describe how I feel about Jen's reaction. action. That first scene, it's the, so last episode, of course, we saw Whitney, you know, making amends with Lisa and Meredith, and they seemed to leave off at a really good place, and Heather and Jen were hanging out, and all of a sudden, despite Whitney and Jen, like, seemingly leaving off on good terms in the bathtubs, all of a sudden Jen is like on one about Whitney Rose again. And she meets up with Lisa and Meredith.

And they tell her that they've had a nice afternoon with Whitney and she apologized and things are good. And she just like fucking loses it. Like all sense of like normal reaction to any kind of situation like this is just out the door. It is, it was bizarre to watch. That's exactly it. It was like on it was very weird to watch it because you are like, like what the fuck is going on? She was like, you take Mary Cosby side, you take Whitney side.

That is not what this is about. Like, why now? Because at that moment she brought up Mary, now it's like you just don't let things go. You really don't. She doesn't let things go. And she is, she is like, she is like so fixated on this idea of loyalty that she has, that loyalty means that anyone that she's slight. has a problem with if you have any kind of relationship with them that you are like,

that you must be betraying, Jen. And it's like, that is not how life works. Yeah. And the other thing is she either freaks out or when you have her in a conversation, she just starts crying and plays the victim. So it's like, Jen, you got to sit down and have a normal conversation. We'll get to the hypnotist, whatever. but she, hypnotist, yeah, hypnotist.

I can't like say it. Psychic. Kimberly. But that is like kind of what she needed. Right. A different, like, place to sit, new someone she doesn't know, but whatever. The one that, when she, during her freak out at dinner, the way she got in Whitney's face, she put her hands on Heather.

She threatened Whitney again. She has now threatened people's lives, like three or four times. And that is not okay. They showed in a flashback, Jen, telling Heather that the only reason Whitney is not dead in the lake behind her house is because of her friendship with Heather. And it's like, that is wild. That's not a thing that you can just say. Like, it's one thing to say, like, I'm going to kill you. Like, and like as a throwaway comment.

But like, why are you talking about some burying someone in the lake? Like, stop it. And then last week she threatened to drown her. And then she threatened someone else like another time. And it's just like that this is like not it's that's not fun to watch. It's like, okay, it happens one time. This is like ongoing behavior and it's like uncomfortable because Whitney literally said when she was saying telling one of the other. I forgot who wasn't there.

I can't literally cannot like marry. Mary what what was happening. She was like in Jen's eyes. It looked like she was going to do something. And I'm sorry. She got very close to Whitney's feet like and her finger was in her face. I was like, oh my God, Jen. I'm curious. I'm curious what you think. So before

Whitney and Heather show up, Meredith again says she's disengaging and leaves the conversation. And she later comes back when they're in the hotel room without Jen. But I'm curious. I've seen kind of both sides. Some people think that Meredith has an issue with avoiding conflict, whereas some people appreciate her stance. I'm curious where you fall on that. Okay. So I said this to you earlier where I usually get. annoyed when housewives continuously leave. It's like, stop, stop. Stop. You're ruining like the moment in the show and you need to stop walking away. Meredith now actually has done it like every episode. And in my opinion, I was like, okay, she does it in a nice, classy way. But I do have to say in this specific like scenario, she didn't necessarily need to walk away. She walked way before Jen even got like, not so. But, but she needs. Yeah. I almost feel like. this was a situation where she could tell that there was some bullshit. Yeah. Before. So it's like she kind of saw it coming and was like,

I'm not going to do this with you. And obviously then that response was validated, I think, by what happened after she left. I really liked the scene where the four of them minus Jen came together and sort of put the pieces together of like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So Jen is like so angry at Whitney because she was. lying on her. And then all of a sudden, Meredith finds out that Jen has been talking shit about her behind her back and,

you know, spreading these weird half rumors about her marriage. And I liked that these women could kind of sit down and talk this through. I'm curious now to know what it goes wrong between Whitney and Lisa, because they seem to be on good terms this episode. And we know now go listen to our interview that they are not friendly. And she was on Watcher Up and Live. night too and they're they're not they're not good but i also side note i noticed that they are not all staying

in the same hotel which i thought was also interesting and very bizarre but side note that four of them talking though is it's just i'm i'm literally at a loss of for words because her i don't know what she wants from this like she said in her confessional that she can only move forward when she finds out who is lying so at that point though say that to the girl have a conversation and say that to the women. Why did you just say that so calmly and like so everyone would be on your side and your confessional? That dinner before you bugged out would have been the perfect opportunity to do that.

Right. Get everyone in the room. Obviously, Mary's not there. Maybe Mary is the person she needs to hear from the most. But that's the thing. It's like Whitney. Okay, like maybe if Whitney said something that was untrue, she said it because Mary said it to her.

And so it's like, maybe Mary was lying. maybe Whitney or maybe Lisa or Meredith is like not being 100% truthful but it's like nobody is like nobody is like slandering Jen Shaw's name through the mud like the root the like thing at the root of this is somebody saying that they're a little scared of Jen Shaw which like based on her reaction this episode like would you not be scared of Jen Shaw right oh sorry also meant to say last night Whitney actually said she 100% because they were saying Whitney why is this all you're a fall and she said, I don't know, because Mary's actually the one that said it. I'm just the messenger. Right. Messenger always gets shot, blah, blah, blah. She said she 100% believes Mary and that Lisa absolutely said that she's scared of Jen.

So Lisa's like, I just think it's like, I would believe that for sure. I think it's one of those things where like to say like I'm scared of Jen, it's not that crazy because like you, that could be in a context as simple as like, I need to have this conversation and I'm scared she's going to blow up at me. Like, it's not like I have to take my family into witness protection because I'm so scared of Jen. Like, it's not that deep. And the fact that Jen is like, is acting like somebody has like dragged her name through

the mud. And then I really appreciate that Heather goes to talk to her the next day and really lays it all out for her and is like, Jen, like, you are the one who is the problem right now. Like, it's like, okay, if you're mad about. what was being said, that's fine. But, like, in this instance, you are the one who has taken it too far. Oh, absolutely. However, we forgot one minor detail.

Heather was just going to Jen's room to pick up some stuff that Jen left there because Jen had randomly gone home. She flew home. And then Heather goes to the room and Jen's getting done up by her glam squad with absolutely zero remorse or emotion or anything at all. And Heather, let me just tell you, is one of the nicest slash best friends or humans I've ever seen because not one person, including myself, would ever talk to Jen again after multiple blowouts, not just the one for last night. Heather was giving her the benefit of the doubt and literally explaining to her, like what you just said, what she was doing. And the girl just doesn't, she wasn't like getting it.

It's a little tougher for me because it's like, I appreciate. that Heather is like trying to hold her accountable, tough love, whatever. But also it's like, I almost wish Heather would just like give up on Jen and just go, go about her day because I feel like she's letting it ruin her trip. She, whatever. So she brings Jen to this psychic hypnotist, whatever, Kimberly in an amazing wig. They're at her house. I don't know. There's a couch with like gigantic pillows. I, this, I love a good psychic spirit. ritual moment on housewives. Okay, but if I was in Vegas and someone surprisingly brought me like, I'd be very upset.

This is a weird trip to Vegas, but it's entertaining. And I, I, Kimberly really did her job and got in there and was, um, was asking the tough questions and I enjoyed it. I was laughing, like out loud laughing when Jen was apologizing. But then Kimberly kept going, oh, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And then Jen like kept looking at her and then she was cutting her off the way she was apologizing and then Jen was like kept looking at her and you can tell she wanted to bug Jen wanted to freak out so bad she was like she was like okay so I can't threaten to slit

Kimberly's throat so what can I do in this situation also when I mean when when Heather walked in with Jen behind her you could like cut the tension with a knife and Meredith's confessional where she just says I think Kimberly's going to need a bigger crystal I was laughing so hard. The thing is, like, she, at that moment, Jen felt very vulnerable. And because it wasn't her being the one in charge. I do have to say, though, like, I'm not making an excuse for her by any means. She clearly does have, like, it affected her marriage.

Like, we all know that. But you have issues that you need to work out and then come back to the group. You cannot take out these issues that have nothing to do with the group on the group. You can't. And particularly, she and Whitney already talked this through. Whitney acknowledged that she, you know, went about this the wrong way. And Jen seemed to accept that apology. So it's like, I mean, we've seen this on other Housewives shows for sure that it's like, okay, if you're not ready to forgive somebody, that's one thing. But if you've already had the conversation and said that you accept their apology, then it's, it's not really fair to still be

holding that grudge. Like, it's one thing if you need some time to let, to be close to them again or something, but it's like, you can't just scream at them again because you feel like it. Like, yeah. That's not how apologies and friendships and relationships work. Right. But then they did go around and was like, who trusts who? She went around individually. And so no one, no one raised their hands. I love a shit stirring game. Yeah, for anything. And then Kimberly was like, all right, because she knew. She could tell who doesn't trust Jen? And then everyone raised their hand and Jen just like, Jen looked like a little child, like in this. in this scene. This is an instance

where it's like, I don't, obviously, like, I think Jen has made a lot of like terrible decisions and, like, reactions and stuff, but like, that's not fun to be sitting in a circle and to have no one say they trust you, but it's like, yeah, it's like, yeah, she did what you did. Right, right. Like, she did it to herself,

but in some sense, it's like, I do, I, that, yeah, that's a shitty situation. Of course. I hope she realizes that. And then kind of the, the icing on the cake, or as Lisa would say, the cherry on the topping on icing of the cake is that they ask who doesn't trust Heather and Jen raises her hand. Heather's, Heather's look could like, could kill. Yeah. Oh, I felt bad. Yeah, because out of everyone

in this group, Heather is the one person who has really like a hundred percent ridden for Jen and like stuck up for her and done the put in the work to try and fix these relationships with Jen. And it's like, am. That's cold. But that just goes to what you said before, where is that the sign that had their needs to just stop helping her to move on? Because like, what the hell? I did this. And now you don't trust me. So what do I have to do for you to trust me? That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, this was a whirlwind. We'll see. Again, no Mary. She's stuck in the closet. But, you know, I can't be like, she gets FaceTimed in. Like, it's the best. Her closet, that's the thermostat set to 81 degrees. You said, it showed that? Yes, it did. Oh, I did.

81 degrees. In the dead of in February in Utah, can you imagine her energy bill? Her, her vanity. They showed a new like she was sitting at her vanity. And it was so, I was like, oh my God, just let me organize the vanity. That's it. I don't even need to do the closet. Just the vanity. But. Well, what fun. What fun. We will be back tomorrow with another episode. Thank you, everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate, review, subscribe. Follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Betches.