Mention It All - Were Monica & Her Mom In Cahoots? Ft. Samantha Bush (RHOM, RHOBH)

Episode Date: January 4, 2024

As the whirlwind first week of the year continues, Dylan is joined by Samantha Bush to recap the latest happenings around the Bravoverse. They have updates on Monica’s whole… situation, featuring a leaked video that calls her entire personal storyline into question. They discuss why her tactics threaten the whole framework of Real Housewives, and where we go from here. Then, they pivot to this week’s new episodes of RHOM and RHOBH, where things are (slightly) less chaotic than RHOSLC. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Betches Media presents Ha ha laugh funny Mention It All A Bravo by Betches podcast We don't say that But now we said it With me Dylan Hafer Hey everyone

Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast I am Dylan Hafer And we are having Just a wild first week Of 2024 And so I wanted to finish it off With somebody who I know

Is just as ready To break it all down as I am So please welcome back to the podcast My good friend my colleague, Simuth the Bush. Hello, Sam. How are you? Hi. I'm so good. You know, the sun is beating down on me. I'm so happy to be here. At least you're not stuck in like a full-blown windstorm on the beach in Bermuda. It's a Bermuda. It's a Bermuda. It's a Bermuda. It's a Bermudiful day. It's a Bermuda. So we have we have a lot to talk about to I asked you to come on the show yesterday. And then this morning I was like, wait, okay, so obviously there's Salt Lake stuff

that I still want to talk about. And then there's Miami, which has been, they've been on every week during the holidays. No other show on Bravo can say that. It's like a freight train that I, you know, I'm laughing. I'm crying. I'm screaming. Beverly Hills came back last night. Also, we got the last episode of Ultimate Girls trip this morning, which I feel like is

just a total afterthought for me right now because there's so much else going on. like we are we are living in a time where we have almost too much to pay attention to and it's I love it but also I I'm scared for what it's going to feel like when they take it away oh it's going to be an empty pit of despair like I don't know what we are going to be watching when this all ends like because Dubai I mean I don't even know when that's coming back if like I'm confused Dubai in New Jersey are really I mean, obviously Vanderpump Rules is coming back. Summer House, they have a full season that's been filmed and I assume will come out in like February.

Then Jersey and Dubai and that's that's kind of what we're looking at. I mean, there's below like there's below deck always always forever. But I just think like when you're hitting like a peak like this, it's going to be hard to like come down, you know. Do you know, I realized this last night. So the first season of Real Housewives of Dubai premiered on June 4th. first, 2022, which means it has officially now been 18 months since that season premiered, and we still don't have a date for season two. It's going on there.

What's happening? It really is so strange. And for a show that I don't really give a shit about, I feel like I bring this up way too much. I'm like, wait, I didn't even really watch season. The fact that that whole cast was at BravoCon, and they did a screening of the premiere, and they had a cast panel. and two months later there's still just like no update.

It's just really strange. And it's like more than any, I'm not like, oh my God, queens, give us your season now. But it just is weird. Like that's not a normal timeline for a Bravo show. Because like New Jersey, like New Jersey they've been done filming for a while. They were at BravoCon. But they always come back around this time of year. It's still been less than a year since their last season premiered.

So it's not like, it doesn't feel like a delay. Whereas Dubai, it's literally like. Are we... What's going on? It's going on there. I think like euphoria is going to come back before Dubai at this point. No, literally. Literally.

Okay. So I want to talk a little bit about Salt Lake before we get into our other shows to talk about. Sam, can you just give me like a little bit of an inkling of your experience watching this season finale? Oh my God. So for about two weeks leading up, I've been seeing on Twitter like, oh my God, you'll never believe what happens. It's shocking. It's the most crazy finale I've ever seen.

And I'm like, okay, sure, sure, sure, sure. No. It was jaw-dropping. I felt lightheaded at one point. I felt like I was going to throw up just because I was so stressed. And like it just kept coming. Like the hits just kept coming. And now, like then I went back and rewatched it, you know, with like hindsight,

20-20 type of vibes. And wow. Wow, wow, wow. Monica. Monica is she's giving? It's giving clown. And that's an unpopular take because I've seen things online of people really championing, championing. You get it. This woman.

It has been really interesting to watch the way that people have processed the Monica information over the last. I guess, like 36 hours now because I think there was obviously like a shock element and an entertainment factor to what happened on the actual episode. Of course, it's, it's an iconic thing to have happened on the show. And I think you can't discount the fact that Monica, whatever she was doing behind the scenes to orchestrate her, you know, rise and arrival onto the show, we wouldn't have gotten that iconic finale if it wasn't for her doing the things she did. But there's a big difference between saying, like, thank you for your service, Monica. Now, maybe it's time to go.

And saying, like, Queen Monica, I stand forever. These other girls could never compare. Because the thing is, like, at the end of the day, Housewives is not a one and done kind of show. We want these franchises to have season-long storylines that develop over the years, and we like following people's lives, and we like watching people send their kids off to college and get married and get divorced and find new relationships and all of that stuff. And you can't, it's not sustainable long term to have people like this and sort of scheming like this in the housewives picture. And so while I am like can wholeheartedly acknowledge that I loved every minute of that finale, it's like, yes. Yeah, like that's kind of at this point like the buck needs to stop with with Monica. And like, how could you keep her on the show?

I co-sign everything you're saying because I completely acknowledged what she contributed to the show even before the finale. I really, I mean, I did say that she kind of. the air out of every room she walked into, but she also was like really interesting to watch. So I, I agree completely. I just think like if they, if Bravo keeps her on, I think that sets like a really strange precedent for troll accounts. Like that just like opens up a door that I don't think I'm right. I don't want ever to be opened. Because the way that she when confronted went immediately. into like troll mode the way that she was like talking to the women the things that she was saying I was like oh I've like dealt with these people on Twitter before like people who talk like this

so it was just like I don't need to see that I'm glad I'm glad I saw it once on the you know in the finale I don't need to see it again and then to open my my flesh eyes 5 a.m. this morning couldn't sleep open my eyes the first thing I do of course is Chuck Twitter because I'm mentally ill And I come across this video that was leaked. Tanisha had leaked this video of Monica and her mom having a fight. Mm-hmm. So in this, in this video, it's, it's eerily similar to these, like, secret videos that we would get of Jen Shalick screaming at her staff. Yeah.

And so this video, so it seems like it's after Angie Kay's Easter, Greek Easter brunch from earlier this season, when, of course, Monica and her mom got in a whole fight. They ended up leaving separately. Then there was the whole thing about Monica falling down the stairs and whatever. But so after this event in the video, they are fighting with each other, but they're fighting about the way that they handled this event in the sense that their performance at the event didn't go the way that they intended it to. and Monica's mom literally says to Monica,

you are an actress. This is a reality show. Basically, I don't care if you like these other women. You need to like get in there and do what you need to do. It is, it's one of those things where I think as people who watch a lot of reality TV and talk about reality TV and like think about it frankly way too much, You do have, you get, you get into a kind of groove where you suspend your disbelief just enough that you kind of, you like, let things just happen the way they happen. And you don't think for the most part too hard about like exactly where the line is between what is like real, real and what is reality TV real.

But this is one of those things where it is so rare to see someone pull back the curtain in such a. in such a just a bold way to say you are an actress on this show. And I think that's the thing where when you think about, when you talk about kind of like opening up this dangerous door for these shows to go down, obviously I think the fact that she was involved in running this troll account where she was posting, you know, potentially slanderous things about her cast members, that's a bad thing in and of itself. But then also from a from a standpoint of Bravo being,

being able to say, our shows are real, our people are real, these are their real lives, we're just here watching it unfold. It really would hurt their credibility if they kept Monica on this show because now we have the proof, evidence, screenshots timeline of that really just fully not being the case this season. Yeah. It was tough to hear her mom say, you know, this is your job to get as much screen time as possible. Like, that's a tough thing to hear. Um, and then her response, you know, Monica posted a response about karma and how she was like, I sent this video to my friend and you posted today. Here, I'll read what she said. There has now been a quote unquote leaked private video filmed in my home between my mother and I. I sent the video to my best friend

in confidence. We talked several times a day, spent every Sunday family dinner together, holidays, our children were best friends. I never once thought she would do this to me, but here we are. She has been outing my secrets. She continues to release screenshots, recordings, videos, a folder she is dedicated to me, full of things she plans to release. She's already doing interviews and has been contacting people in my life for months to try to destroy me.

This is a full-blown take-down by one of my once-closed friends that my girls and I considered family, brace for impact because she has a three-year friendship of information that she has just been waiting to put out there on me. I full-heartedly believe in karma. You are all just watching me live mine and I'll deal with it. I'll face it. I deserve it. If you don't see what's happening here, I don't know what else to say. But screenshots released by my best friend videos, everything happening to me exactly like what was done on reality von T's.

I do want to apologize to my mother. I shared this video with my best friend. It was not meant to get out. I did not leak this. Like, what did she think was going to happen? I don't fucking know. I don't know. It's crazy.

Like you are you tweeted today You're like the irony of her being upset that something about her is like being leaked is like well isn't that what you've been doing this whole time for three years It's crazy it is right and it's like the um there's like a famous like uh satire article that's like um like face eating leper like somebody surprised that like a face eating leopard ate their face or something it's like she's doing the She was doing this with Tunisia for three years and then all of a sudden she tried to throw Tanisha under the bus and Tanisha's like uno reverse bitch like I got you too like it's not it just seems like Tanisha and Monica now can go down their little rabbit hole of like trying to make each other look bad but at this point the other women on the show I don't really see why

they would want to even get involved it's like they've done their live tweeting they've they've you know done their confessionals like at this point they can sort of just wash their hands. And I think because this season of Salt Lake City was so good, I don't think the rest of them really need to worry about their positions at all. I don't think so either. Like, I even think Angie Kay is going to stay. Oh, my God. Angie, Angie Kay, in sort of a similar way to Jessel on this past season of New York, I think Angie Kay was one of those housewives where you really had to sort of hang in there and sort of get onto her wavelength, but by the end of the season, I feel like people like her just as much as

anyone else on the show. I mean, maybe in a little bit more of like a LOL, she's ridiculous kind of way. But that's something that Housewives thrives on. And I think, I think with Monica, she's really the only person on the cast where it's sort of unlikely for her to get brought back. The one thing I think might be in her future is like a traitors type of thing. Or, a house of villains type of thing. Like I do think that real houseways of Salt Lake City might not be her avenue. A long-term venture for her.

But I do think she has kind of popped in a way that could open up a lot of doors. And also she can just like be an influencer now. She has like 300 something thousand followers on Instagram. She can just like do ads and stuff and not have her mom. take her Ranger over away again. Oh my God. That woman's standing there in that scarf on the driveway. Like I'll never forget.

Yeah. This season has just been incredible and I can't wait for the reunion. It's going to be so good. I could do without the burn book personally, but I guess we'll see what's in it. Yeah. The burn book and the photo shoot with the newspapers, you can tell that Monica is kind of like, it's like the season was like really. well- orchestrated chaos and now it feels like she's kind of like doing a little too much.

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Speaking of somebody who comes on the show with an agenda doing too much, I want to talk about Miami and specifically this week, the return of Anna Kinkoses. Because I thought that was such a flop if I'm being honest. Dylan, her talking to Lisa was like watching a robot, like trying to like infiltrate like human, the human life. Like it was truly so uncomfortable. She was like, you are a good mom. You, you are so beautiful. I'm like, are you okay? Like, what's going on?

She's like, I've been wanting to tell you this for a long time. Of course. Fuck Lenny. And she's like, wait, what? Yeah, she was like, what are you talking? Lisa was like she looked so uncomfortable. She looked like she had those lines like ready to go like when she came in. And I'm also side eyeing Dr.

Nicole a little bit because I'm like, You obviously know Anna, like the flashbacks of her saying at the reunion, oh, yeah, she's reached out to me. She's contacted me. And then being like, I don't understand the, like, beef between all of you. It's like, I think you do. You're just being messy, right? What do you think? I feel like the truth is somewhere in the middle because I think that Alexia and Marisol's reaction was so strong in the complete opposite direction.

that like I don't think that Dr. Nicole engineered this whole mamacita Mother's Day brunch and invited Anna as like a way to take down Marisol and Alexia. I don't think that Nicole is like that person. But I do believe that she knew that there was some, at least some touchy subjects there. And that when Adriana said she wanted to bring Anna to the brunch, Nicole was like, yeah, sure. My event's probably going to be, get a little more screen time if there's some messiness happening. And, you know, everybody wants, everybody wants the events that they're hosting to be notable

on the show. And the fact that we got a to be continued and people storming out and coming back and yelling in the parking lot and storming out again. There's a poem, a poet in the back. The Biscayne poet. Yeah. He wasn't really even writing poetry. It was just like.

he was just simply narrating. Just narrating. But I do think that Nicole kind of like, I think she was just involved enough to sort of ensure that there would be drama at her event. But I don't, I don't necessarily, I don't necessarily think that she knew exactly kind of all of the details of. Yeah. I mean, okay, the thing, these clips of the podcast that Anna and Beba went on that we

keep seeing, she's like, no, I'm. never said that I wanted Marisol dead. My daughter said that Marisol was the rotting corpse. And it's like, yeah, but you just sat there and like laughed when she said it. That doesn't make you look like, you know, St. Anna. No, no. And then saying like you don't think their marriage is real, like that kind of thing. It's just like, girl, come on.

I'm curious where you fall with Adriana because I think I think that she, especially especially for being a friend of for these last three seasons, she undeniably is putting in more than her fair share of the work. And she is really hustling to make these moments happen. But I do think that this episode felt like she had jumped the shark a little bit. And I wish that she could just strip it back and actually have a real kind of person-to-person dynamics with these women versus kind of pulling a stunt sometimes. Yeah. No, I agree. I mean, I want to like her so much because I find her very interesting. I find her funny. I find her

dynamic. But like you said, I want her to like dial it down a bit and like show us more of like her real personality because I think that person is like very interesting. Like she's very cultural, you know, like she's very worldly. She knows a lot about art. She lived on a boat. at one point. Like, I want to hear more about that. This constant, like,

throwing the Kardashians at Larsa is, like, so weird. Like, we, we get it. You know, like, you,

it's the same jab over and over again. And then to pull this stunt with Anna, it just, like, I just kind of wish she would just be. And it makes me wonder why they haven't given her a mojito. I think,

yeah, it's tough because I also understand, as a friend of, she might feel like she kind of needs to do more to secure her position on the show because like you say, I think her life has been super interesting and there I would love to kind of get more of just a look at her. But maybe she feels like because she's not a full-time housewife,

she doesn't have the luxury of getting these guaranteed solo scenes where she can just, you know, tour her new house that she's building or go work on her perfume collection and that she has to kind of, you know, manufacture chaos at these group events. But I think the scene with her and Julia kind of talking after the brunch was really telling because I feel like Julia has, Julia's been on the show three seasons now. She has always had this close friendship with Adriana.

And it feels like this season more than before, Julia is really, she's wanting to explore deeper friendships with the other women in the group that she maybe hasn't felt like she was able to. And particularly with Alexia, I don't think she wants to like kiss Alexia's ass all season and be like, you know, shifting allegiance from Adriana to Alexia. I think that she likes Alexia and has spent a lot of time around her and wants to feel like she's being, you know, genuine with Alexia as they explore this friendship. And so I think that. the fact that Adriana kind of can't interpret that any other way besides her choosing Alexia over her, it's too bad because I think with a with a housewives group like this, it's not a bad thing when most people are just kind of getting along with each other. Obviously you want conflict. Obviously you want stakes and you know emotional tension and stuff. But Julia being friends with both Adriana and Alexia ultimately, I think, is a good thing for the show. I agree. And I think Julia's probably, I mean, like you said, she's been on for three years. She's probably kind of tired of being on

this like island of like, I'm only friends with Adriana. Like she definitely wants to start like branching out. Now do I think bringing up Lisa's mothering skills and doubling down on that is the way to go about it. Not exactly. But, like, I like seeing her without Adriana, you know? Yeah. I think that's, it's, it's been an interesting thing with this cast of Miami over the last few years with them having nine people that are around pretty much more or less full

time, even if they're not all technically housewives, that like, things can start to feel really siloed between people. And I think Alexia and Marisol is another dynamic where over the last couple seasons, there are times where I'm like, I don't really want to see Alexia and Marisol like talk in circles about how much they hate Adriana anymore. Like it's not that fun. Like you kind of get over it. And so, you know, seeing Alexia kind of push back on some of Marisol's things this season, I think has been a really a really good thing for the show and seeing Julia branch out a little bit more. And even seeing like Kiki. have some issues with her friendships with Lisa and Larsa. I think all of those kind of, you know, cracks in whatever dynamics we've had make the show more interesting. And so I like seeing women on the show like sort of lean into those directions versus always just like sticking with the one or two friends they already have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely agree. I was like I had gotten behind over the holidays and so I was just

catching up. And that episode, I think it was from last week, when Jody expresses to Lisa that he feels a little emotionally neglected, and then Lisa's at dinner with Larsa and has set a reminder on her phone to check in with Jody. So then she calls Jody in the middle, sitting at the table with Larsa, and is like, hey, baby, are you good? I got a reminder to check on you. Is there anything you need to talk about? Okay. Look, I love Lisa. Like, Lisa. I think is a very like She's an interesting person to watch. Yeah.

But it's like the emotional intelligence. It's a puddle. It's a puddle. It's so low. Yeah. It's crazy. I mean, her conversation with Gertie about the car, Gertie's like, do you not understand like we want you to be okay on your own?

Like watching you go from Lenny to Jody and kind of being this like woman who can't stand on her own two feet and like won't just get a Toyota Corolla because it's below you. Instead, you're like, you know what I mean? Like it's just Lisa. Lisa is Lisa. And I don't think there's, um, a ton of like I said, depth there. She's, I'm worried about this divorce. Like I don't think she's going to get a penny, frankly.

Like I'm concerned. Yeah. The car thing was tough because it's like the point of that conversation. was not that these women hate seeing you have nice things and would rather have you driving around in a beater car. It's that it would be better to have your own things that are a little less nice than to be relying on other people. And so seeing her like borrow her what housekeepers, Honda fit as a joke to come to the brunch. It's like that is sort of the opposite of what they were saying. You're proving their point. Like they're that's what they're trying to tell you. Like it's just it's

it was tough watching her roll up in the Honda fit, you know? And not because there's anything wrong with the Honda Fit. Not because she looked bad in that car. I drive a Ford Escape. Like, you know? Like, I don't have a car. Listen. So, like, but the point is, is like she's not doing things on her own.

And she could. Like, she needs to follow the Larsa Pippin School of Divorce. Because Larsa made out beautifully. Sutton made out beautifully. I'm like, Lisa, we need to think. We need to think. I think it might be hard, though, having Larsa as such a close friend because I think that the way that Larsa's, well, I mean, for more reasons than one. But the way that Larsa's divorce situation played out, unfortunately, I don't think.

is a realistic template for what Lisa can expect. And so I think you might be saying, oh, well, like, my friend Larsa got divorced and she got this amount of lump sum and she got this amount of alimony or whatever. And so then she was, she was in this house that she was renting for a while, but then she moved to this sick penthouse. And maybe that's like what I could envision for myself. Like, you, it can be really dangerous to compare yourself to even somebody who's a close friend. If you're not in the same financial circumstance, then you can't say, like, well,

that's her apartment. So that should be my apartment. And I mean, we're seeing that maybe allegedly happen with Alexia right now that she's, you know, used to a certain level of whatever. And now she's looking at apartments. And okay, I'm sorry. I am not a real estate, um, Maven. Tycoon. Yeah. Okay. But I, there is something that feels so strange. If you are in the position to be spending like $50,000 a month on an apartment for then for for for her to be like well you know we rent because Todd likes to buy commercial property not residential it's like you're not talking about buying a high-rise building you're talking about buying an apartment or a house like it that to me like that explanation even if that's what he says or what he tells her it just

It's one of those things where it's like, I don't know that it's not true, but I also know that it doesn't really feel like it is the whole truth. Well, no. And my ears kind of perk up. Like, it reminds me of Jim and Alexis Bellino because I will never forget. Also, I just watched it. So it's very fresh in my mind. She was like, Alexis was like me and Jim rent our homes because like, you know, the real estate market, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Heather was. was like, why don't, if you can afford that a month, like, why are you not buying a home? And then it comes out that Mr. Trampoline Park was having financial issues. And so it's like I kind of, so I kind of see that for Alexia. It's kind of giving Michael and Ashley Darby. Like I don't think Ashley Darby is getting anything because I think Lenny and Michael have accounts like offshore.

I think they're like preempts are not exactly what the women probably see. signed on to or they thought they were signing on to. I don't know. Yeah, it's it's going to be interesting to see what happens there. I don't think yeah, sometimes I think the like I don't love when like renting is used as like a pejorative on housewives. Right. I think that is sometimes a little silly. But with this Alexia situation in particular, it's a little bit like I don't think your explanation of renting makes a lot of sense. Agreed. Yeah. Shall we talk about Beverly Hills? Well, we have to talk about. about Gertie. Yes. Our hearts go out. I was crying. I was crying a lot. I watched this at like 8 a.m.

today. And I was like in bed in the dark, like wiping away my tears as she's on her phone with her dad praying for her. No, I had slow rolling tears. And I just thought to myself like, this is like real. Like this is reality. This is why I watch these shows. Not for like Monica to be scheming with her mom and falling down the stairs. Like I just was so emotional. show when she went home and her boys wrote her little cards. It was so sweet. I love her. Yeah, that was, that was so lovely. And I think Gertie, like, kind of the way she sort of is rising above whatever, like, nonsense is happening this season on Real House of Miami, like, she is, I think this is going to be an amazing season for her, kind of, like, her position in, like, viewers' minds as like a key part of this show because I think I mean I'm not saying it wouldn't be

emotional to watch anyone go through this on housewives but I do think that it wouldn't quite hit the same for everyone and I think the fact that we're devoting a lot of time this season to this deeply personal storyline and that it is landing so strongly I think that speaks to her position on the show and that she really is like a key play. and that, you know, they've had the same cast for three years now. But going forward the next season or two, if they're making changes, I think at this point, Gertie doesn't feel like, you know, the newer girl that they could just kind of like get rid of and nobody would miss her. Yeah, I agree.

I think actually this season has been really strong for all three of the, you know, Nicole, Julia and Gertie, who were like the new girls for a couple seasons. it really feels like they are some of the most important cast members at this point. I agree. Our thoughts and hearts go out to Gertie. I know. God and Russell. Such a sweetie.

Be with me. I was like, I want her socks on. I had to pull up. Someday my Russell will come. Someday my Russell will come. Gypsy Rose has a Russell. No, we got to move on.

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It's getting, Dylan, it's getting so fucking weird. Like, it's a main focus in every single episode. Every single one I see that woman, Alessandra, come busting through the door. I don't understand. And Sutton still barely remembers her name. She's like, what's that lady's name? What is that lady's name? I'm like, girl, you've seen her.

I know her. I know her. Oh, surprise. We're both wearing pink again. We're twins. Twins. I was like, oh, Jesus Christ. I just think it's honestly going from talking about Gertie to talking about Sutton,

I think it's a good, obviously, you know, battling breast cancer. and, you know, trying to find a man are not comparable in terms of emotional stakes. But I think just in the sense of being able to carry a personal storyline where none of the other women are really involved in this, it's not like a group discussion for the most part. I almost wish it was more of a group discussion because it feels like we're seeing so much time of just Sutton alone, Sutton talking to Alessandra and Sutton on these dates. And frankly, none of those things I just listed have been that interesting. And it's, so it's, it's not like I don't want to hear about Sutton's dating life, but I would rather hear her maybe telling Garsell and Erica about it. And then they can kind of laugh and then move on.

Like it's, it really does feel like, I don't know if they're just. of like millionaire matchmaker in this in Beverly Hills and it's not something I ever wanted or needed and like you said I wish she was just kind of recapping with the girls I mean to have Doreet come over and like look at men with her I'm like this duo doesn't even make any sense like I don't I don't get it there are like three people in the cast that I would see Sutton inviting over for that activity before Doree yeah it and I just to watch this woman try to go on these dates It's like, it's tough, you know?

I wonder, like, does this feel like an indication that for this season of Beverly Hills, they really were kind of at a loss for material? Is that, or are they, did they think that Sutton doing this was more interesting than something else they could have included or was there just nothing else to include? I kind of think they were scrambling. and they, I think maybe the first date they were like, okay, we'll show this one. But to do like multiple meetings with this matchmaker and talk about, you know, Oh yeah, her like her list of like qualifications.

Her deal breakers or something. Yeah. I'm just kind of bored by it, but I'm enjoying the season overall. Because I think that there's a lot going on like under the surface that's very easy to like pick up on. Like especially with the Kyle, Maricio Morgan love triangle. like all of that. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I just don't need to see something going on dates ever again.

It's an interesting thing because I feel like this season of Beverly Hills, it's not like there's nothing going on. Because even in this week's episode alone, we have the sort of continuation of Erica and Denise's whole thing at Taco Tuesday, which, you know, was entertaining. I feel like we kind of saw the clip of that like two weeks ago and then so it already felt like I felt insane. I pressed play on this episode. Yes, I had the same. Have I already seen this? Like, am I on an old app?

And then I realized, oh, no. They did that thing where they put out a clip of the first like seven minutes of the episode. And that was pretty much the whole thing with Denise and Erica. And so I'm like, I already saw them do the like, I'm right. No, I'm right. no, I'm right. And then it kind of ended. And then, but that, I mean, that was interesting in and of itself. And then this episode, we also had sort of a, a long time coming conversation with Kim and Kyle. We had a really thorny conversation with Dorete and Garcell. There was, there was lots of stuff to look at. It just kind of, I don't know, the Sutton, the like amount of Sutton stuff really just sort of threw me off. But I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't want to be like too down on this season. Yeah, I really, like I said, I really enjoyed it.

The Kyle and Kim conversation, I don't know if I'll ever get sick of, to be honest with you. I find the ghost of Big Kathy to be like the seventh real housewife of Beverly Hills. And truthfully, I think the video of Monica and her mom was like literally could have been a clip of Big Kathy and Kim when they were when she was growing up. Like I'm sure she was like, get your ass on the stage. And she's like ripping Sigs, like being crazy. And I think that there's a lot of darkness there. And I read House of Hilton and I just find it to be fascinating. The way that like she still has such a hold on her daughters and Kyle is kind of like,

you know, she's probably working through a lot of that. And it's like, I don't like, of course like we love mom, but like, oh, we all. also need to acknowledge, like, mom had a temper and mom yelled all the time. Like, we need to, like, be real about that. And I think that I'll never get sick of that. And that her dynamic with little Kathy, if you will, clearly is sort of, there's some trauma there with the stuff with her mom that she feels like her issues with Kathy sort of bring up in her.

And so that's, she has this fear of kind of going back to that relationship and trying to repair it because she's scared that it's going to get back to that place. It is so interesting to think about when she's talking about like how their house was growing up and how it was, you know, so much yelling and everything. So she's like, my house, there's no yelling. It's super zen all the time. But then comparing that with the fact that she's spent 14 years on real housewives, a show that famously. sometimes has yelling. It is like getting really like thinking about the psyche of Kyle Richards being on this show for such a long time.

It's kind of fascinating and I feel like there's kind of like it feels almost a little hypocritical but at the same time I don't know if she knows how to live her life any other way at this point like she's been in this machine for so long but it it does it feels like for such a long time with the the Richards sisters, we weren't kind of getting a hundred percent honesty in the way that they were talking about their relationships. And I do feel like this conversation between Kyle and Kim felt like sort of the the most they've gotten to the root of it in a long time. Yeah, it always kind of felt that they were circling the drain and they weren't really like they were kind of talking around it over and over again. And so it was nice to

see them, you know, be more open and honest. And then I remember maybe it was last season or the season before Kathy and Kyle had the conversation about American woman. And that felt really good because it was like an actual conversation about why they had a falling out. And so I don't know. I'm excited to see it play out, I guess, a little bit more. I also think this is maybe the first season that Kim has ever been on the show where it hasn't felt like her presence is like a thing that we need to be nervous about. It feels like she is in a good place. Like she's just coming to some of these events because she has been invited and wants to.

And it's just showing up and kind of just like, it's like she's just going to a dinner. Like I think in the past it always felt like, oh, there's going to be this thing between. Rina and Kim or oh is Kim going to be a mess when she gets there or are Kim and Kyle going to fight and this season like there just isn't any of that tension around her presence on the show and it is I love seeing her in that light because I think that Kim is somebody who has this kind of like gentle fragile spirit a little bit and it feels like the show has been such a bad thing for her in a lot of ways and that this year it feels like she kind of doesn't have have that baggage when she's around.

And it's, it's nice to see her kind of moving past that. It's super refreshing, for sure. What do you think about the Garcel and Dorit stuff? I think I, I, I was happy to see this week that it felt like Derreet finally got to a place where she could kind of like, you know, like put aside her own stuff and just kind of like,

listen to Garcel. But at the same time, like, I don't, I don't know where I see their friendship really in the in the greater picture of the cast yeah i don't see their friendship ever happening i just don't think these are two people that like i will ever be friends i think they'll coexist and it will be fine but i don't think they'll ever like we'll never see them out at lunch together again probably no it was yeah i think i don't know it's it's tough because i think housewives like they're sort of sometimes is this requirement that ever everybody like work on a friendship with everyone else.

But I think there are also our times when it's best to kind of just acknowledge that it's like, yeah, like we're not close and that's fine, but we coexist and whatever. And that it's like we maybe don't need to see them have like another sit down. No. And I don't know about Doreet and if she'll be coming back next season. I really am not sure because I think she's like doing a lot of like, you know, oh, Erica, why are you and Denise in a fight? Like kind of stirring the pot a bit.

And I think that that's great. But overall, I'm just kind of not understanding, like, where she is at. That's really interesting because I think, like, over the last few seasons, Derreet has kind of, like, she's been on the show for a long time now. She isn't, she feels like kind of like a cast member whose position hasn't been in jeopardy in a few years, at least I would say. but that if you look at where they might go from here, it does kind of feel like maybe we've gotten what we need to get from her in a way. And that's, I don't know, I think like Erica has had a really good season.

And I think that, you know, Garcel and Sutton do feel like a core part of the show now. And I honestly, I feel like I like Crystal more this season than I have in the past maybe. And like it almost feels like Derreet is kind of like, fading to the background more often than not. Yeah. Like even when she's trying to get things going, like I don't, I feel nothing. And it's really bizarre. And I don't know if it's her brown hair or what, but I'm just not feeling it. The most interesting conversation I think she's had this whole season is with P.K. about homeschooling her kids. I was like riveted by that conversation because it was so telling.

He was like, you want them homeschooled so that they're with you all the time. that's a problem. Yeah. It's, it is like, it's one of those things where almost like I feel like her her personal stuff and her marriage is maybe like the most interesting thing,

which I think is usually kind of the opposite. Whereas like, I don't necessarily feel that invested in what's happening between her and a lot of the other women in the cast. No, I don't even feel it with her and Kyle. Yeah, I think her and Kyle's friendship it feels like it's sort of run its course. I mean, we saw her sort of be a little bit butt hurt about her not being as like honest with her as she was with Morgan about about certain things. And like

I always feel like Kyle was closer with Teddy and then Teddy left to the show and Doreet was sort of like Kyle's best friend that was left. And if that position has been filled by someone else, then it's like, yeah, like you're not going to be like the actual best friend anymore. Yeah. there's another person doing that role. And I think there's things probably Doreet wants to be very blunt about and honest about when it comes to Morgan and Kyle

but feels like she can't. So, because I feel her kind of dancing around that too. You know, she's like, oh, you, she, you tattooed her initial on her. Okay. Right. It's like Doret is close enough that she feels like she can

be a little skeptical, but also if she fully says what she's thinking, then Kyle's going to blow up. So she's kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place, but in a way that is unfortunately not that exciting to watch on TV. Right, exactly. And then, you know, Anne-Marie, Anna-Marie, who knows where the fuck she is. Oh, my God.

I can't. I can't. I'm just, truly, like, there's nothing to talk about because she wasn't on the episode, but I just don't understand, like, is she a housewife? Like, what are we doing here? I don't know, right? Like it's really bizarre. And every time I see her, she's just talking about Sutton's esophagus. I'm like, I don't know what's happening with you. Like, what are we doing? It's not unprecedented to get a housewife that joins midway through the season. But then for her to also then just like fully not be in, this was episode 10. She didn't show up until episode seven, I believe, or six. And it's like, it seems like if you're going to have a full time diamond, you really need to be putting in work for at least the half of the season that you're. Yeah, at least.

Part of the cast for. She wasn't at Taco Tuesday. Yeah. Was she? Strange stuff. Yeah. No, she wasn't.

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