Mention It All - We’ve Got Another Housewife Legal Scandal Ft. Kiki Monique (RHOC, RHOM)

Episode Date: February 17, 2022

Dylan is joined by Kiki Monique (aka The Talk of Shame), and she brings along some piping hot legal tea about Dr. Jen Armstrong’s medical practice. After breaking it all down, they recap this week��s RHOC, and evaluate whether Shannon is actually jealous of Gina and Heather. After that, they recap RHOM, and weigh in on recent rumors about Beverly Hills and Potomac. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Dylan Hafer. We'll go and check me, though. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to The Mention It All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. And my guest today is one of my favorite content creators. She is always, you know, stirring up, finding the mess, uncovering what we need to talk about. She is the one behind The Talk of Shame.

You know her from TikTok and Instagram. She's also the host of the I'm Sorry podcast. Please welcome Kiki Monique. Hi. Oh, my God. I'm so excited. Hi, Kiki. I'm so glad you're here. I feel like, you know, we're kind of like social media acquaintances, I would say.

And I feel like I always am getting updates on, you know, developing stories and things like that from your page because you are, you love to be like the first one on the beat. And I feel like you do a really good job of like following the narrative. I try to. Like, I mean, I joke around with my friends that I'm their number one news source, but I really do. Like, I want to be first, but I also want to be right. So it's like, I'm usually trying to like get as many details as possible so that it can be a really easy thread to follow. Because, you know, when you're inundated online, sometimes you're like, there's so much information. Yeah. I think, you know, we see this with pop culture as a whole. And then also with Bravo when there are, you know, scandals and legal situations happening. it can be really hard to actually sort of dig through all of the noise of what's going on and figure out, okay, what are the actual bullet point updates here that I need to know about and that, you know, your followers, my followers, listeners are going to take home at the end of the day. Yeah, I mean, I learned that we're like a headlines-only culture, and I'm guilty of it too.

So it's like, how do we capture, but also get the information that is correct and the most informative? Yeah, and I think, I mean, I guess it's been this way for a while. in some sense, but it seems like in the last year or two, especially, there's so much legal drama going on related to Bravo that, you know, most of us don't have legal backgrounds, but you have, you sort of, you learn what to look for and what some of the sort of, you know, key terms are. And it's like, I feel like I've given myself a crash course of like, okay, if there's like some legal documents happening, what's the, what's the realty out of this, like, 28 page filing? Yeah, the very first time I got a legal document, I don't even think I posted the story.

I just waited for other people to post because I was like, I don't know what I'm reading. And now I feel like Kim Kardashian, like maybe I could take the baby bar. I mean, it took Kim a few tries, but she finally nailed it. So, you know, maybe you might not pass on the first try, but you'd probably get close. Yeah, maybe. But so speaking of legal drama, we are talking about Orange County and Miami today. And with O.C., there is, you know, know, some legal things bubbling under the surface that you brought to my attention that is kind

of unfolding as this season is airing, but also was kind of in the works while they were filming. So it kind of is a little bit of context. And what we're talking about is with Dr. Jen, Jen Armstrong, there is sort of a legal battle happening about the legitimacy of her practice. And basically, it's alleged that she was employing an unlicensed. physician who is also a convicted felon in her office and having him perform services on patients. And then there's also another sort of separate but related claim that she was using illegal products, like fillers that basically aren't, you know, legal to be used in the U.S. and that she was using those on patients.

Before we get into the newer developments, that in and of itself is bad. Totally. especially when we've all watched Gina and Emily get fillers on the show. Like, I don't know. I mean, I'm not saying anything, but we're hoping those fillers were approved and legal fillers.

Yeah, I think in the sort of culture that we're in now where cosmetic procedures have been normalized to a certain extent, it feels very casual to just, you know, go into the office and get a couple units of Botox or, you know, in your lips or cheeks, or, you know, fillers. And when information comes out like this or allegations, it kind of makes you think it's like, oh, if I actually do want to go get that Botox, I probably really do need to

do my research. Absolutely. I mean, I usually, that's why I always go to my friends, like, who are you using? But there's no reason that, you know, Jen Armstrong was everyone's friends. So she seemed legitimate. You know, she could be legitimate. Again, these are just all allegations. But there would be no reason to trust her, right? Right. But so the secondary aspect of this and what is kind of happening now is, so there's this woman, Sylvia Nuttall, who was the office manager in Jen's practice since, I think, summer 2020. And basically, she is, she was trying to blow the whistle on this questionable stuff that was allegedly happening in Jen's practice. And last summer, while they were filming. There was some back and forth where basically she brought things to Ryan's attention.

And, you know, Jen was obviously aware of it. And then there was this kind of back and forth that they were like, okay, you can work from home. She says they kind of locked her out of the computer software with some of the stuff that was happening in the practice. And then she was eventually fired in October, I think. And now basically Jen has brought this lawsuit against her. And it's being positioned as a slap, which is basically a lawsuit that's designed to get somebody to shut up about you. Yeah, essentially. Like, the lawsuit that was filed against Sylvia was saying, you know, you're saying all these defamatory things about me. And then Sylvia basically filed this motion to say, like, that's not true.

I was let go because you don't want me to let people know what was really happening in your practice. Yeah, it's pretty, I mean, again, all of this. is, you know, happening in legal documents. We don't know kind of the full truth of any of it yet. But it is, you know, it's a lot of chatter that kind of paints this picture of Jen as potentially somebody who is doing some shady things or is at least not the best person to work for, maybe. And I think on the show, a lot of the time when we have women come on who have, you know,

real professional careers, sometimes there's kind of, you don't really ask any questions. It's like, oh, yeah, like boss, bitch, she's a doctor, she's a lawyer, you know, et cetera, et cetera. And we've seen now of a few different times that sometimes the people who come on the show talking a big game about their business are not necessarily on the up and up. Yeah, I mean, and like if you're looking through the documents, even Sylvia herself was saying, you know, I was getting worried. There were past due bills. You know, I was looking for other employment because it, you know, I didn't know what to do. But, you know, with the pandemic, I didn't know what was going on.

And, you know, Jen sort of fell into like that typical trap that I think happens right now with housewives who are aware of the show where it's like they have in their head what their storyline is going to be and they stick with it, right? And I think, well, personally, she was not the most exciting character on the show because of that. I think she came across as like not as authentic, but to now realize all of this stuff was happening in the background. and it really gives context to like some of her reactions throughout the show. Like now I want to watch it with a new lens.

And to be honest, if she gets like the Erica Drain-Genthal treatment, she'll actually probably get picked up for another season now when I don't know if that was necessarily the case before. She didn't really have much going on. Yeah. And I think so much of her dynamic with Ryan on the show has been kind of acting like their total separate entities where she has the business. and Ryan doesn't do anything.

And in the documents relating to this woman, Sylvia, it sounds like Rhine was actually the one involved in a lot of the communications, and he was setting up meetings with her when there was kind of this back and forth that led to her being fired. And so that's something that I really wouldn't have, if you, just from watching the show, if you asked me, how involved is Rhine in Jen's business and her practice and all of that, I would have said pretty much zero, it seems like. And the legal documents definitely paint a different picture.

So then it kind of calls into question, you know, the conversations they're having on camera. And then what Jen is telling everyone else. And it's like, okay, I'm not saying that none of the stuff we're seeing on camera is representative of your relationship. But it definitely seems like there's another side that they're sort of deliberately not putting on the show. Yeah, I mean, because like one of the allegations that was made was that, you know, none of the filler was left in the office. It was all kept at Jen's home. And, you know, they would call ahead and say, this is how many patients you had today. She would bring in these pre-filled syringes.

And if there was ever a mix up and they needed more, they said, you know, Ryan would come in with these bags, you know, go into the office and deliver something and then leave, you know. We definitely didn't see any of that happening for sure. Sure. Yeah, like, from the way they talk about it on the show, you'd think that Ryan barely even knows what she does for work, let alone is, like, her courier. Yeah, you'd think that, like, Mr. Puppers is really the only woman he has already in his life. All new drinks are now at McDonald's,

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Red Bull gives you wings. Visit redbull.com slash bright summer ahead to learn more. See you this summer. I did think this episode at Shannon's Luncheon, it was very funny to me how we got this one scene of Heather and Jennifer in the car there together. And Jen was kind of doing one thing and saying she didn't want to be asked about it. she was like basically on the brink of saying that she wants a divorce and then essentially the second

they get to shannon's it's like it's like there's been a brain's transplant and all of a sudden she's bringing it up she's the one you know telling the other women you know they're like uh is anything wrong and she's like well yeah actually this this this and this but no i don't want a divorce so noella don't you dare compare our situations and i just am like what is going on in Jennifer's head because it was very strange to watch. Yeah, I mean, and these sort of manic episodes, they don't make sense in that moment. But again, when you realize like what's probably happening in her real life that she's not revealing, it makes a little more sense. Like, yeah, you're like, I have to talk about something because I'm very upset right now and I have

to give a meaning for this upsetness. And it's because, you know, Ryan this and Ryan that because they're going to ask too many questions. And so I just need to fill the room with what I believe is the truth. So no, nobody questions me. is what it feels like. Yeah, I think, right, there's, we see also with Noella this idea that it's like, it's not that she doesn't want to talk about it. It's that she doesn't really want people to get too curious and maybe come up with their own conclusions aside from what she's telling them.

And so I think in, on one hand, I think it's a little bit of a stretch for Noella to compare their situations. But I do think there are some similarities like that where, It's like, Nola also wants to talk about her divorce, but doesn't really want to, you know, be examined too closely. Yeah. And if there's one thing we've definitely learned in all of these years of Washington Orange County is everybody talks. It's a small place. So we, you know, probably who knows in that circle has already heard some of these like rumors that are going around.

And yeah, she doesn't want to be questioning it. So it wouldn't be surprised if, yeah, exactly that. I have to say I was, I was like cheering at my TV when Noelle is like, am I not allowed to talk about my divorce? And Emily's like, bitch, it's all you talk about. I'm like, woo. Let me tell you, like this Emily, I'm loving this Emily. It's just like I want like to like get drunk with her, eat subs, fall off chairs and like, yeah, cuss people out. Like I definitely love this Emily.

Emily, I think, is having such a good season and it really feels like it came out of nowhere. because I've said this in past weeks that last, a year ago, if you had said, okay, what should they do to fix Orange County, Emily would have been on my, like, probably get rid of her list. And this season, she and Gina are, like, carrying the team on their back for me. Absolutely. And, you know, even though they're close friends, I also kind of love that, you know, Gina is like developing this other friendship because you know Emily is going to get a little jealous of that. But, you know, I love that because like that's what we do with girlfriends, right? It's like, no, you're my friend. I, yeah, the dynamics actually, I think between Heather, Shannon, Gina, Emily, I think that's kind of, to me, the crux of this group. And it feels like, you know, it makes sense. They're the four that have been on this. show prior to this season. And it is interesting at the end when we're getting to the question of, is Shannon jealous of Gina's friendship with Heather? I think that's a totally valid question, but I also think it could be a dynamic like that between Emily and Gina, where she might, Emily might have some feelings about Gina getting so close with Heather because, you know,

I think Emily and Heather are getting along just fine this season, but they met, you know, Gina and Emily met Heather at the same time, and it's clear that Heather has embraced Gina over and above anyone else. Yeah, for sure. And, you know, anytime someone in the circle has, like, the huge house and the private jet, you know, you kind of want to be their favorite. Right. Like, whatever you think of Heather DeBrow, personality-wise, as a friend, whatever, seems like kind of a fun person to be on their good side. Yeah, I mean, she's bringing edibles of microdoses, which also. was just like another hilarious, like them taking their little nibbles of microdosis and being like, whoa. I would never in a million years have predicted Shannon Bador to be nibbling on an edible. Never. I thought you would be way too high-strung for that.

I have to say, I was wondering watching that scene, I am picturing Tamara Judge watching this episode and having like flame, like steam coming out of her ears. because I've heard her talk about how a few seasons ago she had her CBD company and she like planned this whole big party and it was they filmed it for the show and it was like obviously the reason you have an event like that and film it is to get you know attention for your brand and that Bravo ended up cutting the whole event because at that time it was still an issue with advertisers whatever to even have the association with like a marijuana product. And so, I mean, I, so Tamara came to mind for me, but it is kind of funny to think how far we've come with like the general vibe around pot in a few years.

Right. And it's crazy because California has, it's been legalized in California for so long the fact that they were still uptaking issue with it then. But, you know, I do love that they've come around. I know. Maybe Tamara can bring some, some VNA CBD gummies to Dorinda's house. Maybe they'll show that. camera. Oh my God. I do, I do want to highlight this episode. I think one of one of the nicest parts is Heather's relationship with her kids. And specifically, we see her talking to Kat this episode who has come out as lesbian and she clearly has, you know, gone through it a little bit in terms of how people at school have reacted and some comments on social media. And I think whatever you think about Heather in general, I think her relationships with her kids and how she's really allowed them to explore their identities is just, it makes me so happy to see. Agreed. Like, I, you know, I think that she is just a really

good mom. And it's like, yeah, beyond anything else, like, you cannot deny her that. And it's just, it also goes to show, like, damn, when you have money, it also makes it so much easier to be a really good parent. I mean, they were just having like a little planting potting party. Like, I'm sorry, my parents both worked full-time jobs. We didn't have a lot of time to, like, go plant plants together, but it seems really nice. That's so true. It's like, oh, like, you're, you know, send me the list of stuff you want for your room because, like, your personality has changed a little bit. So obviously, you're going to get, like, a whole new room. I'm like, damn. I was like 18 years old with the wallpaper I chose when I was like 10. No, yeah. I remember.

I had like a little heart, like a heart boarder. I did get to do redo my room, though, but that was mostly because we got into a car accident that was settled. And so I got some money and I got to get a brand new bedroom. But that was the whole thing. Christmas was good that year. Yeah, I think I got, so we like moved into a house when I was five and then I think I got like one room redo when I was like 11 or 12 where it was like, okay, this is like your big kid

room room. We'll paint. We'll do some wallpaper. So like, choose what you want. But that's like, that's what it's going to be. Yeah. What was your, my big kid room, I got, it was all black and gold. I mean, I was only maybe like 12 or 13, but I knew that I'm black and gold forever. And I had a mirrored headboard. Mine was, and this is, this will be really funny. I was in a, I was in a surfing phase, which I grew up in St. Louis, Missouri, which is about the furthest geographically you could. get from either coast. I've never gone surfing in my life. I am pretty confident that I would be horrible at it if I tried. But I was, it was like my era where I was like a gay kid before I, but it's like before the taste grows in. So I just like orange was my favorite color. And so I had like some blue and orange stripes, like some hybiscous, you know, motif going on. I love it.

But yeah, to this day, I've never been surfing. And to be honest, it doesn't sound very. fun to me. No, especially with people getting mean by sharks, not interested. Oh my god, definitely not. This episode is brought to you by Prime. Obsession is in session. And this summer, Prime Originals have everything you want. Steamy romances, irresistible love stories, and the book to screen favorites you've already read twice. Off campus, L, every year after, the love hypothesis, Sterling Point, and more. Slow burns, second chances, chemistry you can feel through the screen. Your next obsession is waiting. Watch only on Prime.

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Yeah. I was like a very long season. I was surprised. I know. So I want to get some of your thoughts before we get into specifics. How are you enjoying this season? Who are you loving? Who are you loving less?

What's the vibe for you with Miami? I think in general, I kind of love everybody. And I don't know if it's because like it just was off the air for. for so long and we kind of, you know, had a different cast. You know, we do have our old heads who are returning, but now we have new people. And so I feel like I'm just, it's almost still like a first season. And in first season, I kind of just like give everyone equal shots. And so I feel like I'm enjoying everyone.

I mean, even Larsa, who I kind of didn't really expect, I don't know. She's being way more open than I think I thought she would be, which I'm very impressed by. Every single person I've talked to about this season has basically the same reaction to Larsa. That it was like, I had low expectations. I didn't, you know, didn't expect much. And she might not be my favorite housewife ever, but she's better than I thought she would be. And I feel like for somebody that people obviously have a lot of preconceived notions of, both from her time on the show and her time as a public figure,

it's pretty commendable how she's done this season. And I agree. I think there's no real weak link in the cast. I think there are some people that I'm connecting with more. There are some people that I am more entertained by than others. But there's nobody that I feel like they just are a bad fit. Yeah. And I think that they took like the best page out of the Housewife Handbook where they're like,

look, I'm going to be open and outright with everything that happens because the Bravo fans are going to like, dig it up anyway so like let me just reveal it all up front and let's just talk about it yeah and i think most of the women in this cast have really been through some shit whether it's with their relationships or their parents or their kids you know there's a lot of baggage coming into this season with this cast and i think they've done a good job of sort of picking and choosing what to explore further and obviously alexia is kind of like a focal point of a lot of emotional baggage and i have to say her scene with Peter on this week's episode was like hard for me to watch because I'm just like, no, you definitely need therapy. Yeah, I mean, I feel like they could write an opera about Alexia because she just has

she has a wild life and just like so many traumatic things that happen. It's just like, but yet she's just like this gorgeous woman that you also would from afar, you would just admire and be like, I want her looks. I want her body. But you just like all the things that are happening, it's wild. She said on Instagram yesterday, I think that choosing confessional looks is like her least favorite part of being a housewife. And I'm like, well, you do a good job. Right. If I look like that, I'd be like, can I have like seven confessional looks because I look so damn good? I feel like all of the Miami Housewives do give good confessional look.

For sure. I mean, they give good look in general. Like, they all, I feel like they all visually really understand the assignment. Yeah, it's like they don't mind. Everybody always looks very together. Every time I see Marysol in those like cat-eye sunglasses and the high pony, I'm just like, she's so fucking chic. And even her, you know, bedazzled Starbucks like Tumblr. It's just like the fact that she's always drinking on that.

I was like, who decided that? But I love it still. I liked also seeing this episode, Nicole and Lisa sort of bond over their lack of relationships with their fathers. Because I think we've seen Nicole really struggling with that kind of on her own this season. and, you know, hearing Lisa kind of open up about that a little bit and then find that common ground. I like seeing that because I think I like Nicole a lot and I want her to have, I want her to be close with people in the cast because I want her to stay. Yeah, I mean, and her father is definitely wild. Like, I can't even seeing that scene with them. I was just like, oh, I can't imagine. Like, I have such an awesome dad. I know. It's, it is tough. Like, when people have.

like relationships like that with their parents on these shows, it always makes you kind of evaluate those relationships in your own life. And, you know, obviously nobody has the, you know, perfect family with no drama. But there are little moments where it's like, wow, that would be, that would be really tough to go through. And I always kind of applaud the people who are so open about that on these shows because it just is like, it has to be really hard. Yeah, and so many people have that dynamic. And you're right. Like when, when you have, you know, parents that are really awesome, you don't think about those other people that can relate to that. And you're like, oh, like, damn, I couldn't even imagine. So yeah. And, you know, speaking of the parent relationships at the end of this episode, Alexia, you know, reveals that her mom has now been put in the hospital with COVID and her wedding is supposed to be a week away. And like watching it, knowing that her mom ends up passing away. on what's supposed to be her wedding day. It's just like I can't even,

that's a thing that since it happened in real time, I can't even think to put into words how that experience is. Yeah, again, she's just like living like a Shakespearean tragedy, like every step of the way. Like anything that can go wrong in her life, it seems like it will. I want to get your thoughts a little bit on Julia and Adriana's dynamic because it seems like every episode we're getting another scene between them where they're like each other's soulmates.

And I know Martina is not a housewife, so she doesn't need to be on every episode of the show. But it feels like Adriana is like filling this role for Julia and kind of vice versa. What does your take on their friendship? You know, I just like, I get the feeling that, is it Juliana? Is that how you say her name, Juliana?

I think that she just likes to be chased and she likes the chase of people wanting her. And so like an Adriana is just a big flirt. And so it's knowing that she could have her if she wanted, wanted her is really all it is. It's just like knowing that. But I really think that it's nothing more. Adriana's just a flirt. She just wants.

Yeah, Adriana's a flirt. And, you know, she also talks about how, you know, she feels she's kind of alone. Like her son was her, you know, pride and joy and he's out of the house now. in this episode Julia's daughters are going off to Europe to spend time away from her and it's got to be tough and I'm glad they have

each other. I don't know if I can say I 100% understand the you know friend engagement, friend proposal dynamic but I don't know I do weird it out if like my friend bought me like a matching ring but

you know hey to each his own I think for me was partially the the ring itself, but also the fact that she did it in front of the whole group. And it's like, it's like you go, it's like you invite eight friends to your birthday party. And then you're like, okay, like, I'm so glad everyone is here. But mostly, I'm glad that my best friend is here. And it's like, either bring a, like, either bring a valentine for everyone in the class or don't bring any. No, they're definitely have like that, that broken best friends necklace. And they're each wearing one half of it and everybody else is looking around like, well, thank you. Thanks. I would rather,

I would rather not have half a best friend necklace than have one of those Jensha blood diamonds that she gave everyone in Zion. That's true. That's very true because like you're going to be probably handing it over to your attorney anyways. That was so bizarre to me because it was one thing, you know, when she bought those necklaces or bracelets or whatever they are originally, it was before she had been arrested. And so, you know, as far as she knows, everything's good, you know, she can keep spending, like, they're going to take the money away. But the fact that by the time she gave the bracelets out, it was like so much later.

And after she had already been, like, indicted, it's like, what is happening? Yeah, hence why, you know, I heard that she's trying to get, like, footage from the show. Like, she doesn't want the jury to be able to see it. And I'm like, yeah, I wouldn't want them to see it. see it either, knowing I was just like buying all this stuff. Oh my God. Imagine if you were like a juror and you had never heard of any of these people and part of your like jury assignment was watching like hours of housewives footage. Just like imagine. I mean, that would be amazing, but for people who do not like reality TV would probably be their own personal hell, but I would think it would be

the best ever. Exactly. I mean, the thing that would make me excited, which obviously I would never be picked for a jury in this trial because I am like the least unbiased person on the planet. But like I would just be like, okay, so is there like some unseen footage? Are we getting some like raw cuts? Like, you know, I would watch like 30 minutes of Jen just like organizing her shoe palace. Yeah. No. And that's the thing. It's it's the stuff that's on the cutting room floor that is the most, you know, intriguing. Like I'm sure you've, we all the Bravo accounts, we get a lot of stuff said to us.

right, that people are like, I saw this. And like, sometimes you'll see some stuff that was never aired because, you know, people behind the scenes and you're just like, whoa, if anyone ever saw this, this just like shines a whole new light on some people. Well, even the footage of her, you know, like, berating the, you know, designer that had been working for her, like, that whole hidden camera situation was something that, you know, they did end up bringing it up on the show. but I think if it hadn't sort of gone viral on social media the way it did, we probably wouldn't have ever heard about that because it wouldn't have really, it wouldn't have come up within the group if people weren't talking about it in a broader sense. And so that's the kind of thing

where I feel like social media can be really powerful in terms of what they, what ends up making it onto the show, because I don't think the women would have ever had a reason to actually have that conversation. So I think, you know, obviously it's fun to post, like memes and things, but also in a kind of powerful way, it's like also building some of the narrative for the shows while they're filming. Absolutely. Like, I mean, we've been watching Bravo for years,

and, like, I feel like there was, like, a certain media could, like, infiltrate a Bravo show that they would accept. And, like, in the last few years, it's like, no, the Bravo accounts can, like, dictate kind of what happens in a season, which is kind of cool because it's going to bring some realness that maybe they weren't going to show before. Right. Like it doesn't have to be a page six article for it to be enough of a conversation to be worth bringing up on camera. And, you know, obviously we saw radar online derail nine seasons worth of Beverly Hills. But like, but now, yeah, it could literally be, oh, like somebody posted an Instagram story and somebody DM'd it to X,

person in the cast and if it's the right place, right time, it could, you know, turn into a whole storyline. And I think sometimes that's a little bit, you know, it's a slippery slope. Like, I think sometimes it's like, okay, like, we don't actually need to hash out like every little moment and conversation. But sometimes it can be like, no, this was where the show needed to go. So I'm thankful for that kind of like landscape. Well, yeah, I mean, we've, we've been seen so much with this Beverly Hills Aspen trip, right? At this point, I don't even know what to believe. So it's kind of like, I'm now at the other end where I'm like, I'm not going to believe anything from the acid trip. I'm literally going to just watch and see what happens.

Yeah, I usually take the direction of not believing any of it until there's something that really feels more true than anything else. That's how I've always been with like New York casting rumors. You know, how many times last fall were there like, you know, sources can confirm that all six women have been fired or like Ramona is done. Like, Luanne is back, you know, all of this stuff. And now it's, you know, halfway through February, they're not filming a thing. Like, you know, nobody, none of these women have gotten contracts in the mail. And, you know, anybody who said six months ago that they did, it's like, okay.

Yeah. And the one rumor I'll tell you I'll never believe is Ramona's fired because I personally, unfortunately think Ramona will never be fired. So I'm like, you're never going to get me with that one. I sort of agree. And it's not that I think she never could. be fired. It's that I have never felt like it really felt like it was happening. And so I feel like if and when the time comes, there will be an announcement. There will be a post. You know,

we're not going to, she's not going to just kind of like disappear into the night. You know, like they wouldn't sort of do that to her, I don't think. Like, I think even if she doesn't deserve like a dignified exit, I think that will be afforded to her. if there is a time that it happens. Yeah, I mean, she's going to get like the retired Silver Watch sort of exit that you get when you are an OG. Like, you can't take away from her that she is an OG and she has brought a lot to this franchise as a hater or not, right? Totally. Speaking of casting, I just want to get your thoughts on one other rumor that I would say has been a word on the streets on Twitter is that Candace might not be coming.

back to Potomac. What are your thoughts on this? I absolutely do not believe this for a second because Potomac has, I think, perfect cast right now. They don't need to make any shifts. They don't really need to make, they can do an addition, but they don't really need to, like, take away. I don't believe it. I completely agree. And I think if anything, the time when they would have gotten rid of Candace was after season five, when all the stuff went down with Monique, they could have sort of just totally, you know, cleared the air and said, Monique left. We're going to get rid of Candace, too. We're going to kind of start fresh a little bit. But honestly, I thought season six, I thought Candice had a great season. I was, you know,

I'm, I would never say I'm like a Candace Stan, but I would say I think she's very good at being a housewife, and I have no desire to see her leave the show. Candice had a really good season. And look, I've talked about it in my TikToks. Like, we've had a, like, we've tussled a little bit, but I will absolutely give her the props that, like, we may have tussled. She never blocked me. She never, you know, and so, like, she understands the assignment of what it means to be a housewife. Now, does she get reckless with her mouth? Absolutely. As so do so many. So, like, I'm never, when people think I'm picking sides one or the other, I'm like, not really. I'm just going to, like, sometimes I call you out. And sometimes I might like you. Like, there's so many housewives.

I like hate and love back and forth, I think that's just like a Bravo fan dynamic. There's very few that steadily I love across the board from the beginning to the end. Totally. And I've said this before. I'll say it again. I think sometimes it's worth it to just kind of be team good TV and not get too invested in who's right, who's wrong,

who is, you know, maybe a nicer person at the end of the day. And, you know, it's hard to paint yourself into a corner, especially when, you know, I got to watch this shit every week, whether I'm enjoying it or not. Let's face it. Exactly. And I feel like some people make themselves miserable and they're like, you know, like, Jackie's the worst person on the planet. And like, how on earth is she still a housewife?

And it's like, just, just calm. Yeah, I mean, I had to find myself checking because in my, okay, I will say that Dolores is one that steadily, I'm just like, I'm always like, she goes up and up in my book every single year. And I'm just like, I'm always team Dolores just because. And so when her and Jackie got into it this last episode, of course my instinct was to be like, Team Dolores. But then I had to remember back to last season when Jackie, who wasn't my favorite, I became Team Jackie with her and the Teresa fight. So I see how even I just changed, you know, sides to that moment, you know? Yeah.

And I think that's kind of the best way to approach it is that, like, I can disagree with you, but it's not because I think you're an awful person. It's because I disagree with you on this specific thing. Kiki, this has been just the most fun. I had so much fun. I'm glad you did too. Thank you so much for joining me. Tell everyone before we go where they can follow you, where they can listen to you, all of that important stuff. You can follow me at The Talk of Shame on TikTok and Instagram. And you can listen to me on I'm Sorry, which is available on all podcast platforms.

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