Mention It All - What Did Erika Know? Ft. Taylor Misiak & Alyssa Litman (The Housewife And The Hustler, RHOBH)

Episode Date: June 17, 2021

Bari and Dylan are joined by Taylor and Alyssa, hosts of Table Flipping, to break down the Erika documentary that everyone is talking about. They debate how much Erika knew about Tom’s scheme, and whether Danielle Staub is a credible source. Later, Bari and Dylan get into the RHOC casting news, and talk about highlights from this week’s RHOBH. You can buy SkinnyPop at retailers nationwide, or go to the Shop Now page on skinnypop.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Dylan Hafer. Oh, go on check, me, though. And Barry Rosenfeld. I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to sleep, we. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer.

And I'm Barry Rosenfeld. And today we have two very special guest co-hosts joining us. We have Taylor and Alyssa from the table flipping podcast. Taylor, Alyssa, hi. Hi, guys. Thanks for having us. Hi, we're excited to be here. I know last time was so fun on your podcast.

We talked all about Doreet. Everyone should go listen to that episode. It's so fun. So good. Child of the world. You want to know something hilarious. So on table flipping, we talked about a lot about Doreet. We got into Bucca DeBepo.

My roommate, one of my best friends, is in Hawaii right now. And he texted me the other night. He goes, we're looking at places for dinner reservations. Have you ever heard of Bucca DeBepo? What island does it on? I was like, first of all, yes. Second of all, do not go there. Don't go to Bucca de Bepo in Hawaii.

Yeah. What are you doing? You've been misled. Yelp steered you the wrong direction. Go absolutely anywhere else than like mediocre family style Italian food. Yeah. Like literally go to any food truck and have a better time in Hawaii. Guys, no.

Go to go to Boca to Beppo. Like, go to Bucca. There's an occasion for Bucca. Right. Go to Bucca to Beppo like when you're with your family and like, you know, you have some picky eaters. That's just so funny. Unless it's like a Camille Grammar Buka in Hawaii, then I would go. Well.

Right. DeRiet reposted one of either my story or your story. I don't know. and it was the picture of me at Bucca to Beppo and one of my friends was like, this is ridiculous. Like, because I was on Doreet's story. I was like, why me and Dorete are like friends now. Oh, my God. The legend of Bucca De Beppo never dies.

Okay, so I want to, we want to start off by getting a little background of your Bravo journeys, what your favorite shows are, who your favorite Bravo Lebs are. Because it tells a lot about a person, like, they're, their Bravo. life journey. Oh, my gosh. Well, okay, so I had my grandmother of all people really turned me on to Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, and that was kind of my first venture into the world of Bravo, and this was years and years ago. But she was like, Taylor, you would love this show. It's just like, the outfits are amazing.

The women are wonderful in it. There's like such good Los Angeles porn. She was like, if you love Los Angeles, you're going to love this. And so she got me into Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. that just started my whole spiral down into the Bravo black hole that I live now. And while Beverly Hills is still one of my favorites, I think that Potomac is like my favorite one to watch right now in terms of it brings me the most joy and like emotional catharsis and like shock and like awe and entertainment.

And I love that cast. I love that world. I love the weird city area thing that I still couldn't even describe to you. I had my boyfriend come into the room and be like, what is Potomac? And I talked for like eight minutes and I don't think I answered the question. But that's like definitely more my favorite. And I've got to say I'm ready to take the heat. But until this past year, I would have told you that Erica Jane is my favorite Bravo

Leopardy. Like and it's hard. I was going to say she's still like one of my top ones. It's a brave, a brave thing to say in today's day and age. Listen, until we know. I can't be dishonest and say something like that. For years, this has been, I, like, I pre-ordered her book. Like, there's countless hours on our podcast of me singing her and Tom's praises.

I highly regret those moments. But it would be dishonest for me to sit here and be like, I don't know, Kyle. And when I know for years, I've just been like, my DNA is Erica Jane. So I'm excited to talk about it, but that's my answer. And now, Alyssa, your turn. I started watching. I got into Bravo because I was working on a show and my boss was very dramatically fired.

And so I was still like attached to his deal and getting paychecks, but at home with like nowhere to go until we got placed on another show. And so I watched like all of Vanderpump rules in maybe one month on Hulu. And I was like, what is this? This is so crazy. And then of course, when you start with Vanderpump, you want to know what's up with Beverly Hills. So then I jumped to there.

And from there it was just like an easy, breezy, like digest 20 years of housewives in like maybe nine months or something like that. And I, everyone hates when I say this, but my favorite housewife I think has to be Teresa. Like I know she's, oh no, she's the best housewife. She's like, you know, she's maybe of a different time at this moment. But like she just always brings it. And I always talk about how, you know, I have so much anxiety. And if I say something wrong to someone I think about it for. ever and she just doesn't think about any of her actions and it seems so freeing to me.

And I love a housewife that will physically fight someone as well. Like that's great television. It's funny because I think some people love housewives because they are similar to them and they see them in themselves. But some people love house lives because it's like, I want to be that bitch so bad. And I know I'm not. But like I still sort of aspire to it. I have felt that way for a long time.

I think and I stand by this. Teresa is one of the best housewives. of all time. Like she's, she's number one. She, you can't explain it. She's just one of the best housewives on television.

And like exactly, we said she has no idea. She doesn't even know it. Yeah. That's what's the best part of it. I also, I just think, too, like there's housewives that I love,

but sometimes I wonder if they're putting on an act or they're being manipulative. But it's so clear that Teresa cannot be anything but herself. Like she's just doing her best and thank God she's good at this. Because like, what else would she be doing besides like making sauce or something, you know? that's how I feel kind of about Ramona because like Ramona objectively not a great person, you know,

there are lots of legitimate issues with her, but you know exactly who Ramona Singer is and you can tell when she's trying to be something she's not. Yeah. And it's like so entertaining to watch her like pretend to be, you know, kind and caring or pretend to be sorry about something. And it's like, oh, oh, sweetheart, you're just not good at this. I refer to her as an asshole. at least once a week on our podcast.

I just can't help it. I just can't. But rolling off of that, what aside from Housewives, what shows do you guys watch? Oh, aside from Housewives, wow, we watch so many. Because I feel like Housewives are the hub. Everyone is,

that's what we're focused on, but there are so many others. Yes. Do you want Bravo exclusively or reality TV in general? We are connoisseurs of a wide variety of reality of reality TV. Go off. Go off. Okay. We are very high on Siesta Key, which is on M2B. Yeah. I don't skip a week. I was just going to say, I've watched like one episode of Siesta Key in my life and Barry till the day she dies will be like pushing it on me. And at some point it's going to happen. It's just I haven't had that like journey moment yet.

It is like the level of drama that Vanderpump rules has, but it's in Florida. So it's a lot. It's somehow, if you can imagine a lot nastier. Like it's it's a very impressive level of drama. It's because I think they're younger. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're young. They're scrappy. They're like beating the crap out of each other in bikinis.

Like, it's a great show. And Dylan, it's so good. Yeah. It's so good. It's just so good. Another Bravo show that actually my brother turned me onto, I am behind. I feel like a little overwhelmed because I know there's a lot of seasons. But in this past year, he turned me onto below deck med.

And I watched like the famous June June Hannah season. and just like bingeed a bunch of it. And I found it to be so, so, so fun. And like I always talk a lot about I've worked as a server for like so, so many years. So I think like the fact that there's this like customer service element and that they have to take care of these like crazy guests was like so like so wild to me. And like the Johnny Damon episode really freaks me out. So I don't watch it as religiously. And like like, but I like to I think that that one is really, really entertaining.

We also obviously love a summer house and a. Southern Charm and I am wearing my lover boy sweatshirt right now that Taylor got me. Oh, my gosh. Love that. Yeah. I feel like below deck is one of those shows where like you can drop in at any time, any season and like you're going to have a good time. But also you don't have to like kick yourself if you're, you know, like one season behind.

Yeah. It feels like a somewhat episodic moment because of the guests changing so frequently. So you could just be like in the middle of the day while you're cleaning or whatever, pop it on. and be like, there's just like a rich billionaire running around without her top and people are like trying to help her on this boat not fall and die. And I'm like, this is great. Okay. Whoever pitch this is smart.

Yes, for real. I am that type of person, though, when it comes to shows that it can't be like something like friends where it can just be on in the background, whatever. When I watch things specifically, Bravo, I need to start from the beginning. I can't. I can't just like turn to show. I'm like, I have to know what happened before that. And then I'm like, okay. And then I spiral and I'm like, I'll just start from.

season one. Just because a random episode was on TV, I need to like start the entire series of a show. I literally won't eat food while I'm watching the housewives because I will miss something. Like that's the attention to detail. I'm like maybe a 90 day I can eat and watch, you know, but like the camera work and the editing is so genius. You're going to miss like an icon, you could totally blink and miss Pizza Gate or something. You know, that's true because remember last week when they showed the side by side of. Doreet, if you were looking down, you would have missed that. And that was a, like, prime part of the episode.

That's so true. And it's also hilarious because I don't think I've seen. And I watch it, I say with air quotes, I watch The Bachelor and the Bachelorette. But I'm just looking at my phone for two hours. Like, I'm basically listening to The Bachelor or Bachelorette. Like, it's like, that show doesn't, I'm like, I could be multitasking or like, that's not. But, yeah, Housewives, you got to be like, this is my full 100% of tension, unless I'm writing down a note.

I feel like if the Bachelor, the Bachelor is like some modern painting where it's just like all one color and Housewives is like a pointillism. Like there's like a million little dots and you want to catch them all. That's it. That's exactly it. This is a phenomenon I'm very interested in just very quickly. It seems to me like straight men love below deck. Like they can't understand any other show on Bravo, but they're obsessed. Maybe it's just because of the boats. I don't know.

I think it's because it feels less like women, and more like they're, you know, they're at work and they're like doing a job and then there's like sex. I don't know. There's fun access. Like, bro, you want to get a yacht this summer? Yeah, exactly. Got on the show. Brew?

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chemistry you can feel through the screen. Your next obsession is waiting. Watch only on Prime. Okay, so we talked about this a little before, but we want to dabble in Erica's new doc that came out. Should we even say Erica's new doc? Like, she was not part of it. She does not claim this.

And it automatically reminded me of the, as I'm watching it, I was like, oh, okay, it's the housewife and the hustler. And it reminded me of the Britney Spears doc where she was not involved. She was not in it. It was just people talking about her. And what do you guys know? Who was the opening scene where I said on your podcast last week is my least favorite housewife?

I was like, what is Danielle Stab doing on this? What? It's so funny. Like the idea that the only people they could get to speak to the experience of being a housewife is Danielle Stobb and Dana Wilkie. If you've watched one second of Bravo, you immediately know this is not credible. Like, yeah. And it was like a plug for Dana's podcast.

It was like, how can we promote this? Like, get it, it was. It was very bizarre. It felt to me a little bit like it was an ABC Hulu collab, right? I think it was ABC. Had done a interview with Erica and Tom in like 2016. So they like had this footage. And then I think from there, they were like, let's just elaborate and make a piece out of it.

And the only other thing they had was like Google images of Erica. Like so it's this, the like juicy content of her giving the tour of the closet and her saying like, I would never want to be poor again. Like that interview is really juicy. Looking back, it's like, oh my gosh, this completely changes the way you look at everything. Then it felt like a lot of the beginning of the special was like that interview pieced with like a slideshow of just like Google images of Erica. And I was like, this feels a little thrown together, a little low budget. And then the second half, there's like all of this focus on the, on the victims that he was stealing from, which I think is really important.

It's incredibly heartbreaking and really sad. But the first half of it, I just think like cheapened the dock a little bit. I was like, I get it. You just wanted to make. And hey, it worked. I was there at like 8 a.m. Monday morning watching it. But it just felt a little like hobbled together to just like feed the hungry masses. Honestly, if I had to guess, they probably spent more on Getty Images downloads than Daniel Stubbs' appearance fee.

Yeah. And why did it start with her, like, walking to the couch as if it, like, it was very much pandering to, like, I guess us, the Housewives fans. But I was trying to imagine it as somebody who's less familiar with the Housewives being like, who is this woman? Like, wait. So they've met once on Watch What Happens Live and they worked at the same strip club at different times. Like, who is thinking? Yeah. so weird and she was like,

Erica's a bitch. And I was like, whoa. And then the last credit, like that was the opening thing. And then when she finished out, she goes, if I had any advice for Erica, I was like, no, Danielle, no one's seeking advice from you on anything, like in life on anything. And also, like, Erica's not going to be like, oh my God, who can I ask?

Danielle Stab. I know she's always had like great things to say. Like, I can envision Erica watching this doc and being like, what is happening? Because the fact that her, Danielle Dana and Heather McDonald Were they did they send out I feel like a Facebook message and they're like hey guys We're making a Hulu talk on Erica like who wants to be involved I gotta check my DM request folder there's like a 50 50 chance

Yeah it's strange like who did they It felt like they maybe didn't ask enough people Like I don't feel like people said no I think maybe they just like asked those three And then they were like we've got three talking heads We got three yeses Like and it's like oh okay well It seems like you could have you were on a role with these type of interviews.

I feel like they could have gotten more of that exact quality of a person to interview, but they just like stopped at three and it made the three of them even weird. Like I love Heather McDonald, but like what's going on? Did any of you watch the HBO documentary about Tiger Woods from earlier this year? Yes. Oh. What? I just missed out.

It almost felt like they were positioning Danielle Staub as like the Rachel, you could tell, figure where she's like the tiger mistress and it's like Daniel has nothing to do with this. No, that's exactly. It had that much like gravitas and like importance of her as a character that you would be. And I know watching it because like Alyssa and I have been eating up this story since it broke in October that like Homegirl has nothing to do with it. But if again, if you're if you're just learning about it, this is your first, then you would be like, ooh, I wonder when this creepy woman with the crazy heels comes into play in this story.

And she doesn't. wishes she married Tom Tradry. Like she will probably marry him after Eric is done. That's the level of success Danielle wishes she had. Number 23 or whatever. Yeah. I'm wondering if they purposely put this out before we see it on the show. So the show gets more viewers because now people are in club.

They're going to be like, what is this? What is this? Because next episode is when they really like start to ask and stuff. I don't think like Hulu is checking for Bravo ratings because they're like... Well, then that is a coincidence. I think it's a coincidence, though. I think it's like synergy. Like they...

I don't know. I'm on to it. I think that this is the soonest that they could pump this thing out. Like, I really sensed that this thing was, again, just like very... Cheapled together. And like, yeah, I don't think that there is a relationship between either ABC Hulu or Bravo and Universal. But like, it's everybody is just going to try.

They say it in the piece. Everybody loves a scandal. Everybody's going to tune into anything about the way that they were advertising it was very like old school 60 minutes. Like I think that the housewife and the hustler was like for my dad. Yeah. You know what you mean? Like that's who it was for.

And I could see him just like watching ABC News and then getting an advertisement for that. And like my mom being like, that looks interesting. Like it was very much like, let's just pump this out to the people because this is the kind of story. It's like Tom Gerardi is not sexy enough on his own. So we have to use Erica as a. crutch to get people invested in the story. And I go back and forth on whether or not she's,

she knew anything. I still haven't made up my mind. But I really felt like this documentary was implicating her in a way that was really shitty, like just because she married someone who was wealthy and powerful and wanted to be a pop star, as if she literally took the money out of the accounts herself because she's hot. That was the vibe I was getting. Yeah, the ending was very like making the poor Vick.

who are like still trying to get their money, watch the pilot of, or not the pilot, but Erica's first introduction. And they're like, it's just so sickening to watch her with all this money, which is true.

Like, I can't take that from them. That's absolutely. But again, like Alyssa's saying, it's not to tee her up where the last taste in your mouth is like, Erica did all of this is a little unfair, probably, but we don't know. I don't agree.

She may have known about some aspects of it, but if you're like, if you meet a rich old guy, he's like, if you marry me, I'll give you whatever you want. You're not, like, evil for believing that. Yeah. Sorry for having dreams. Like, I was a cocktail waitress and I wanted to be a pop star and you said, like, sure,

I'll pay for that. And then you got married. Like, great. Like, good for you. That's fine. I, I don't think she knew the, like, the extent of what was happening. I really don't. Like, where you can say, like, Jen Shaw knew because she was the one doing it.

I don't think Erica. But at the same time, you kind of wonder, you're like, it was like disposable money. Like even Heather McDonald was like, she came to my podcast recording with a glam squad. And it's like, you didn't need to spend that 60K that day. Like that happened to us because we, I saw her in Chicago last year, like before a pandemic happened. And we were trying to get her into the Betches office.

And she was like, they like didn't have a glam day scheduled on her calendar. So it didn't end up working out. Wow. It's so funny because I love, like, this week she appeared on the show. And she was wearing no makeup and she was just eating a bunch of breakfast food. And her skin is very red and my skin is very red. And so I love seeing her like that. I think it's so refreshing.

So it's strange to me that she always feels she has to be put together. I think especially in those like presentational moments, even if it is like an audio only podcast, like she is just like putting on such a character. I do wonder I've been thinking about this lately in my free time. because that's what I do is think about Erica Jane all the time, that let's say that she didn't, she was like as in the dark as you could be about all of the like evil ongoings.

I think that she has put in such an effort to come off as such a self-aware and intentional person and a very street smart person and somebody who does have their shit together, even individual, just individually, aside from Tom and their lifestyle, that I wonder if it's really hard for her to now have, have part of her alibi be ignorance because that's so contrasting to like the image that she's

created and I wonder if that's tough for her to have to be like no I didn't know like and if it makes her feel stupid when she's worked so hard to come off as smart and is smart in my like so that I wonder if that's like a push and pull in her psyche I also think and I'm not willing to die on this hill but it did just occur as we were talking about this if the victims didn't know that this wasn't normal, how would she know? Like, you're hanging out with Gavin Newsom and we heard those phone calls with Tom Girardy being like, I'm asking the judge and he's just really concerned and all this stuff. Like he, I think he's a narcissist and I think to a certain extent he was a good salesman and then it became obvious that something was going wrong and it was too late. But why wouldn't

Erica, I believe that she believed his bullshit for sure. Yeah. Have you, did you guys watch Bling Empire on Netflix. Of course. We and Dylan interviewed, interviewed some of them. Oh my God. So it reminds me of and forgive me. I'm going to forget her name. But there is, in the very first episode, this woman who is dating the shitty power ranger.

Yeah. Kelly. Kelly's ex-boyfriend. She introduces in her in the pilot. She's like, I was engaged to her. I was like dating this man who I at found was running like the biggest text message scam in the history of the world and now he's in jail. And now I'm dating this different guy.

Like it reminded me that if Erica had been her like ex boyfriend was another like billionaire who was robbing from people, then she would like have some context to be like, I got to be aware of what's going. Maybe this guy is just like an absolute criminal. But like Alyssa is saying, if this is what you know, if this is her life is going from like cocktail waitress who is struggling to like now in this whole. world and just like with Tom, then that, then she's going to know what she thinks she knows from.

There's like, what context does she have? Someone in the documentary was like, no one in the public court should have this much money. And I was like, I guess that makes that much, I guess that makes sense, but I don't know that. Like, I don't get how it works.

And who is Erica to question where the money's coming from? She's being, she is doing her job, whatever. But what got me is that the victims were like, What do we do? We can't talk to the DA because he's friends with Tom. We can't talk to the police TV's friends with Tom.

Like Tom Girardi was the top. And so that was like that's shitty because that's how it works. Yeah. The whole system is just broken so that once, yeah, you're the person in power. It's terrifying to. I'm really curious to see now kind of like how this does play out on real housewives now that like she's told them she's getting divorced. Like obviously it's going to be a storyline moving forward. And like, I just have very low expectations for how much like,

yeah, we're going to get from Erica on the show. I'm with you on that. Well, I know this is like, by, you know, not the smoke coming from the horse's mouth. But there was someone recently on Watch What Happens Live was like, I don't think we're going to get good stuff from Erica. And Andy was like, I don't know, man. I wouldn't hold your breath. Like he was kind of winking at it being a thing.

Though, I hate what he does that. Sorry to talk over you. The idea, we've seen a clip of our girl Dorit being like plane crash victims and burn victims. It makes me sick to my stomach, baby, orphans and widows. Like that, even if that is just one clip, like, I think that's going to be worth it. Like, I'm waiting for Dorit to just, like, bring it home. I am also, though, are you so curious about how evil Bravo has been to Erica in this edit? Like I think Bravo is like

sending this bitch to jail Like they don't think they could be Teeing her up in a worse way When they were at the house in Tahoe And she was talking to Garcel and she's like Everything is a lie baby like nothing is what it seems And she was talking about like How someone looks at a swimsuit

And it's like oh my God And every time they've had a very innocuous statement About how well her and Tom are doing That you know would have been cut in any previous season She'll just be like You know what? been nice about quarantine, sitting down with Tom every night, having dinner, just the two of us. And like, that would never have made the cut before. But now Bravo is like zooming in on it being like,

oh, but you're going to get a divorce. Okay. That man is a workhorse. He just wants to be in the courtroom. And they repeat that scene multiple times of Garcel asking her, did you know? And they show Erica chasing, chasing her head. Yes. And then she goes, no, I did not. And I'm like, Well, you just put two together them because you can't say yes and be like, no, I did not. In the preview, when it's her and Garcell and they're sitting like on the top of this like rock outcropping in the desert. It's like so cinematic. Like the drone footage all of a sudden. I'm like, and the music is like pounding.

I'm like, damn, they are going like full like spy thriller with this. Yeah, it's cinematic. But it's just, it's fascinating. I just wish I didn't know that a gas line could just explode like that. That is not information I ever wanted to have in my life. And I'm sorry to the victims, but like, my God, that's upsetting. Yeah, you're like, that is one of those things where it's like, forget Erica and Tom. Like, that shit is terrifying.

Yeah. You know what else really terrifies me? And I feel like we don't talk about it enough. Uh-oh. Sink holes. Oh, yeah. Moving on. Just going.

No bowling off of that. Make sure you have your earthquake preparedness. You guys, I thought this was going to start my day off right. And now I'm going to hang up from this and be like, sink holes. But this is what I'm saying. I'm like, this was not for me. Like, if it was for the Bravo viewers, I would not feel this bad about watching. Because this whole season, I've been like, oh, my God, L.O.L.

Indonesian burn victims. And now I see them. And I'm like, wow, this is, I don't know if I can stand by this. The only way she was tied into it is they wanted all of us to learn about the, the victim. and what was going on. The only way Erica was tied into this was because they were like, and Erica is now making more than Tom

because of her Bravo paycheck and bring, and she's like showing how rich they are on television. Why would he allow her to go on this show? And I'm like, I always say that about these types of housewives. Like, Jen shop, please. We knew that was faulty, like from the second she,

but why that is how I feel Erica didn't know because she, like you were saying, before Taylor that like she isn't like that. Like I feel like why would she flaunt that lifestyle if she knew? She's not dumb. What if she, but then of course it's like, what if she started to see the writing on the wall

while she's already like seasons deep? And then I think like it makes sense to me that she's trying, she wouldn't run away from the show because she as the like constant show woman that she is would try to just like use it as a tool in her favor. And that, I have that theory either way, whether she's innocent in every way or guilty in any way. I think that Erica Jane is a type of person that would be like,

you're not taking the show for me. This is my stage to tell my story. And so that doesn't sway me either way. Yeah. Okay. So we will end on a more, on a lighter, more positive note. We're going to play a little game with you guys that we love to play with lots of our guests. It's called Who Would You Choose?

And for each question, you're going to pick which Bravo Liberty, Real Housewife. It can be whoever you want. You would pick for the given. category. Okay. So we're starting off with who would you take motherhood advice from? Dolores Catania. Yes. Wow. That's a good one. I love her kids. I love her. She seems level-headed. Her daughter's becoming a vet and her son's becoming a doctor. Like, you can't do better than that. Wait, is Frankie becoming a doctor? I thought he just passed his CPA. Oh, no. He's like, he's doing business. Oh, he's doing business. Okay. I remember him taking

a really hard test. He's an angel. The series seven, I believe. Okay, so you both agree on that, Dolores. Okay. Who, this is a fun one. Whose closet would you read? Erica.

I'm sorry to the victims. That's all. Oh, yeah, it's got to be. Or, you know, I mean, it might be a tie with my good old Dorit. Like, I would like to see Dorit's closet, but I think I would like want to wear more of Erica's stuff. Like Dorit's, I just want to see as more of a lot. museum.

I was dying last week on Beverly Hills the last day in Tahoe when they were trying to guess like which designer. They were like, it's Fendi Friday. And then she comes out in a Louis Vuitton outfit. And they're like, oh. Oh, my God. Okay. Who would you want to plan your next vacation?

And to clarify, it's not, who do you want to go on a trip with? It's like who's choosing the hotel, the restaurants, all of that? The excursions. Hmm, maybe like a, maybe honestly Ramona singer because she is so difficult and she will not, you know, put us in some kind of shitty like trailer or something like that. She would get a fabulous house for us to stay in. She ordered air conditioning to herself one time. Like, I want someone like that to plan my trip. You know, we played this.

We played this game with Luanne and I believe Ramona was her choice as well. Yeah. Wow. Oh, then there you go. I was almost going to say Lou Ann, but then she did, she's a little more adventurous than me, I think. So when we play this with the housewives, they choose from their own cast. So you guys are choosing from everyone. But from the people we have interviewed, these are the top, these are the answers.

Okay. So I'm excited to hear the next one. Taylor, do you have a different answer for the vacation? My instinct was, and it's, I don't even think it's a good, I was thinking Kyle Richards, but then I was like, why did I even think? I thinking of a good one that she's planned. She seems just like a good event planner when she has parties at her house. But I agree that Ramona would do it better.

And honestly, I think it would be very fun to see whatever the La Dame had planned for an excursion. Yes. I think that she would plan something that would have moments of like luxury, but then also moments of like her misunderstanding something and it being stupid. And that would be hilarious to me. Yeah, I feel like you're also thinking of Kyle because Kyle and her family go on extraving at vacations. But I don't think she plans them. You're right. You're right. That's why I was like, this is a bad answer. Why is it sitting in my head? But yeah. Yeah. I pretty sure they go on boats around Italy like every summer. Like that's their summer trip. Yeah. Works for me. And I want Kyle and Maurizio's event summer trip player to do my sum. That's who I think. All right. So who would you guys want to cook you dinner?

Tree. It's got to be tree. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably the correct answer. A number one. I would also have. have oysters with Ramona any day of the week. They're also my favorite food. Wow. But that's not cooking. Yeah, it's my least favorite thing about me.

But yeah, I had some, like, meat sauce from Teresa Judice. Like, I could go to heaven happy, you know? Like, ooh. Okay. Who would you take relationship advice from? Sorry, I just pictured Teresa as being like, Gabriella, I'm making your favorite lamb chops. I, like, couldn't, like, I had to, like, word vomit that.

Sorry, just kind of. All right, anyway. Um, do you know what I think gives like level-headed advice, even though she's had sort of a crazy relationship journey is Robin Dixon. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I think I would get good. I would take relationship advice from her because I think like her and Juan's relationship

and how they came back together is like sweet. And they've had like a lot of obstacles. And I like still, I think. And she gives like sound advice, I think. So that's my first instinct. Alyssa, who do you think? Candy. Candy Burr.

She has been, I mean, just talking to her about a pre-up would be so helpful for me. She's been through so much shit with Todd and her mom. And I just don't even know how to navigate that. Yeah. Candy's a good one. Mama Joyce, like, scares me. And, like, I've never been in the same room as her, but, like, she freaks me out. I'm, like, I'm stressed.

All right. Who would you let decorate your house? It's funny to think of the worst answers first. I know. You're like, not Giselle. Yeah, I was like, I'm immediately pictured Giselle's apartment. I would say the morally corrupt Faye Resnick, because then every time someone comes over, I would say, thank you. The morally corrupt Faye Resnick picked it out.

Absolutely. That's a great answer. She has skills. Yeah. She's good at that. The morally corrupt Faye Resnick. I mean, that's just how she's known these days. Yeah.

That's the best answer, right? Am I missing somebody who has like spectacular interior design taste? I feel like so many people are so gaudy in these cities. You know who has a good house is Garcel. She has a nice house. Okay. Yeah. Garcel.

I like Jennifer Aiden's like remodel. I like her newer house. No, honey. Still no, for me. I do. It's so much better than the like palace she was living in before. It's not good. But it's not good.

It's not good. I just sounded like Erica, but it's not good. I like that Garcell's house is like, it feels. feels like a real house where like kind of a normal person would live. But obviously she has like, you know, nice things. And like, you know, it's not like a cheap house or anything. But like it doesn't feel like you're walking into some like fantasy land of like, who is this?

Why does she live here? Right. Fancy land. I mean, I do like Ramona's Hampton's house. I have to say it. Sure. Tom and Ariana just finished their house and it looks beautiful on the inside. It's so pretty.

It is beautiful. And the pictures are stunning. It's not my taste. But I love it. Like, it is very perfect, but it's like, it's not what I would choose. I was just glad when I saw that they got a people exclusive for their interior design because I just know Brittany and Jax have to be like so angry. They also got so much shit when they were designing or when they were decorating their house.

And it's like, calm down. We're trying to buy the right things one time. And now I feel like it's a nice full circle moment. for them to be like, see, it's beautiful. Yeah. And when we talk to Tom Sandoval, he was like people to understand like everything we're getting is custom. And I was like, no, we really don't understand.

Sorry, we're not furnishing our house at rooms to go. Like, it takes time. I was like, I don't. I live in a studio. I don't understand. Thank you guys so much for coming on. This has been so fun. Thank you.

This has been so great. Yeah. I know. This is. Now I'm going to go just think about sinkholes for the rest of the day. Thank you, Barry. I apologize. Tell everyone where they can listen to table flipping

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have been up for an hour. Right. That's right. Okay. Well, thanks so much for joining us, guys. Thank you. Yeah, it's always so fun. Plan B is a backup birth control option that's there for you when things don't go according to plan. It specifically works after unprotected sex and before pregnancy occurs by temporarily delaying ovulation. Plan B is available nationwide at all major retailers and through delivery apps like DoorDash. No ID, prescription, or age requirement. It's the number one OBGYN recommended brand of emergency contraception and it won't impact

your future fertility. That's Freedom to Be. Use us directed. That was so much fun chatting about Hustwife and the Hustler with Taylor. and Alyssa. And now it is time for the grab the skinny pop moment of the day. Endless entertainment calls for endless popcorn. And luckily, every kernel of skinny pop is so light,

crunchy and delicious that we eat it by the handful and even the bagful. I'm just going to go right off the bat. My grab the skinny pop moment. We must talk about it. Is this Real House Noise of Orange County casting news that we got the other day? Barry, I know you are very excited as a Heather Dubrow devoted Stan. We have officially for season 16, Heather DeBrow is back. We are bidding farewell to Kelly Dodd, Bronwyn and Elizabeth Vargas.

And as of right now, we will have Shannon, Gina, and Emily staying likely with one or two other new people. And potentially Tamara in a friend of role. Barry, what was your reaction to this? I'm like, wait. I'm like, okay, the fact that we, anyone thought that those. to wouldn't go is be or three i should say wouldn't go is like come on you have to be kidding like i i feel like it was very obvious yeah back that when they announced heather and the internet at that point just flooded with promo pictures and videos and news of her was just it was like a

waiting game for us we were like thank you bravo thank you i love that heather did a photo shoot for this announcement with like a bowl of oranges she looks incredible. She looks so good. I can't wait to see her new house. I know. Everybody's excited to see the house. The Port-Cosher is back on Real House, Lys of Orange County. I feel like this is one of those things where it was heavily rumored for a couple weeks, but in a way where no one really knew if it was legit, like, it seemed like one of those rumors that obviously could have been true and luckily ended up being true.

but it was like, I don't want to give myself false hope because it always felt too good to be true that Heather Debrough would come back to Orange County. So I was super excited, but I was skeptical literally until I read the article and it was like a spokesman for Bravo confirmed the news. And I'm like, okay, thank you. I'm very excited for this. I think the thing for me and why I, of course, was grabbing the skinny pop is that, you know, season 15 was tough for Orange County. And, you know, there was a lot of like back and forth discussion, theories, rumors about like, what they could possibly do to try and turn this franchise around and who they would fire and who they would keep and whether it would be enough.

And I feel like this is the one thing that could actually make me feel like, okay, they're doing what they need to do. And I feel like we might be in a good spot. And I'm super excited. Yes, we're pleased. But, okay, so my grab the seating pop moment was that. Sutton had to rent out the Bentley dealership just so her and Garcel don't have to wear masks

as if the Bentley dealership is ever really crowded with that many people at a time buying cars. That's true. I wonder, I want to know if that was like a real thing or whether it was just like something she said to be like boogie Sutton. Yeah. Because yeah, it's like when you go, you know, honestly going to any car dealership, Like usually they're not that crowded on the inside, but especially when it's like a luxury car dealership, you don't just have like, you know, like Tammy soccer mom like in there checking out the latest bent leaves.

Right. And then also at the end, when the ladies were waiting for Erica's arrive and Garcell was kind of saying it without saying it, that she just thinks that Erica should have waited or she was questioning why Erica just didn't wait. Basically for Tom to, shall we say, pass away. And so... Pass on. But I think that all... Doreet was like, I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. But...

Okay. I felt like I was on the same wavelength with the other women because that comment, it went over my head for a second. And then because I was like, oh, like, wait to file the papers. Like, they should have, I don't know. And then I was, I thought she was like making a reference to this like financial scandal. And I was like, oh, she should wait until like the legal battle's over. like it looks sketchy and then I was like, oh, she means when she dies.

Okay. And at that point, they didn't know like what was actually going on. Like we did, obviously, because it's in real time. It's going to be very interesting to see how this progresses. Of course, we get another one of your favorite episode endings where Erica. Erica is literally in 30 seconds of this episode and not once does she like interact with the other women. She makes it like a Broadway show. She comes in and then looks at the camera and also slams the door and then cut.

I bet they did a few takes of that. We'll see. But yeah, obviously very excited to see where this goes next week. But those are today's Grab the Skinny Pop moments. And you can grab Skinny Pop yourself at Retailers Nationwide or go to the Shop Now page on on Skinnypop.com. Thanks so much for listening. Don't forget to go check out the table flipping podcast with Taylor and Alyssa.

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