Mention It All - Where’s Our Housewives Halloween Special? (Plus RHOSLC)

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

In honor of Halloween, Dylan laments the lack of holiday-themed content being churned out at the Bravo Factory. Why hasn’t anyone greenlit a Halloween special at Bluestone Manor?? Then, he turns his focus to Salt Lake City, where the ladies are coming down from the high of Angie’s anniversary party. Heather and Bronwyn are still at odds, Angie won’t own her parenting dig, and the husbands are reluctantly in the hot seat. With all this in mind, Dylan evaluates which storylines are actually worth following for the rest of the season. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, though. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. And happy Halloween. Ooh, it's a spooky scary October 31st. Not really. I mean, the overall vibe right now in the world is a little spooky scary.

But we don't get too into the Halloween vibe here on Mention at all. I mean, Bravo doesn't really serve us much spooky season content. Obviously, we get Halloween episodes sometimes on Housewives or on other shows if they're filming during Halloween, but they always air at random times during the year. And I was actually thinking, this got me thinking, wouldn't it be fun if Bravo or Peacock even did like holiday specials? like Andy could kind of be the little host ringleader. You could do like spooky season Housewives Halloween at Bluestone Manor or even, I mean, Kyle Richards, the queen of Halloween as in Halloween the films.

What if we had Halloween horror nights with Kyle Richards? And then I was thinking we could do Christmas at Bluestone Manor. There could be, you know, musical performances by Candice or Ashley Darby or Erica Jane, an Erica Jane Christmas performance. That would be something special. I just feel, I've talked a lot in past episodes about how I feel like they could be doing more with the expanded universe of housewives and spinoffs and things like that. We're getting the Love Hotel dating show next year.

I'm excited to see kind of how that goes. But I feel like a Housewives holiday special, you know, for Halloween, for Christmas, for New Year's. I know Andy's busy doing CNN New Year's, but where are the Housewives? It just feels like, it feels like a missed opportunity. Housewives Fourth of July special. Actually, that one might be, that might be touchy because then if it gets to like patriotic, rah-rah America, I don't, I don't need like Ramona and Vicky on the lawn of the White House talking about, God bless America.

That sounds a little dark. There was, I really had to laugh. Mike Vicki's son, Mike Wolfsmith, he is very outspoken liberal, which is if you haven't been paying attention, not exactly the same political views as his mother, Vicky. And he kind of likes to tease her about that. He's like poked some fun on social media kind of trolling her. And he posted a screenshot of his text with his mom. And there was like some Housewives Twitter account that posted like Vicky Gunnvison has

endorsed Kamala Harris for president. Obviously like it was a joke because I mean, she would never. And he sent this to his mom and was basically like, L.O.L. And she just responded, WTF. And like I, Vicky says. and Mike being like kind of kind of fun is something that I wouldn't have predicted 18 years ago. But here we are. Strange times in the world, but good times on Bravo.

Lots to talk about. I do just want to one clarification from yesterday's episode. I felt like such a dummy. The way they started that New York episode with Jessel talking about how her friend group was like a Monet. It was a reference to Glueless. and I fully just straight over my head. I promise I have seen clueless. I have seen clueless more than once,

but I have not seen clueless in the last three to five years, at least. So, yes, I missed the ball on that one. But still, I stand by my thoughts and feelings about that little intro, and I stand by my thoughts and feelings about it, not being a very accurate way to describe the Real Houseways of New York cast at this point. But it wasn't fully pulled out of nowhere. So I will give them a little bit of credit for that tying together the clueless birthday theme. Jessel, happy birthday.

I hope 41 is treating you. Just amazing. Wait, I don't want to get too deep into this, but I do just want to mention, like, for the record, has anyone else seen the streets are saying that Ali Shapiro, as Jill Zaron Jr., may no longer be engaged to her man that she just got engaged to a few months ago. I don't know what's happening there. I'm not, maybe it's true. Maybe it's not. There's some TikToks. There's some Reddit threads. Strange times. Maybe we'll have more on that in the future. Maybe we won't. Do we, we don't talk a lot about the kids. And I don't mean like Emily Simpson's

eight-year-old twins talking shit about Heather to Katie's daughter babysitting them, allegedly, allegedly, of course it didn't happen. I don't know, though. You know, sending love to Allie and Jill and Gary and the dogs and everything. I hope everybody's doing well. Stressful times. But let's just talk about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City because they're giving us a lot to talk about. And last week, of course, was kind of a crescendo. Of course, Lisa, I'm sure, is still in the process of going the distance with Sean. This episode, came back down to Earth a little bit, which is natural and necessary and good. After that mafia anniversary party, we get a to be continued. We pick back up where we left off with, you know,

Lisa activated and screaming. And Meredith, Meredith asking Whitney why she won't just believe Lisa that she didn't start the Alibaba jewelry boomer. And Whitney says she wanted to give Lisa the benefit of the doubt, but she didn't get the chance because Lisa keeps calling her security, which, like, fine. I'm not saying Lisa Barlow is the easiest person to have, you know, just like a one-on-one conversation with. But also, I don't know that this was the venue for it. And I don't know that Whitney is actually being honest about her intentions going into that conversation because the thing over the last couple weeks is that Whitney seems extremely convinced that Lisa is at the root of this jewelry rumor.

And she's telling us how sure she is, and she's telling the other women how sure she is. And later in the episode, we see that she's being asked why she's so sure when she's with Bronwyn and Angie. And her explanation is, we narrowed it down and it's Lisa. And last episode, when she was saying,

I have visual confirmation. You know, I was told without a doubt that it's Lisa. Like, I, it might be true. It might not be. It's not necessarily my job to weigh in on that. But like, I mean, I guess it literally is my job to weigh in on that. We'll get to it. But I think that whatever perspective you have on this, whether you like Lisa or not,

I don't think that Whitney is actually doing a very good job of making her case. And obviously, if Lisa, in fact, is the culprit, then she knows that and she has to live with herself. And I don't know how Mormon 2.0 works with, you know, lying and, you know, spreading rumors about your friend. But, like, for the rest of the people in the group and for all of us watching the show, Whitney hasn't really, like, presented a case. And it's, it's been interesting, actually. I have been very much out of the corner of one eye keeping up with what's going on on social media with this, which is essentially that there are some different theories going around. But one name that I have seen floated around as the actual person who was spreading this rumor about Alibaba jewelry is none

other than Dana Wilkie. $25,000. Can you believe Dana Wilkie? Because Dana now is in a place in her life in her, I guess, career, you could say, where she's, I think she has a podcast. She's like a Bravo commentator. I don't know. She was in the Erica Jane documentary. Dana Wilkie's out here having lots of opinions. And there are certain, you know, creators and podcasters and people that she, I guess, is friendly with. This is kind of like a different side of the Bravo sphere than I really pay attention to. Maybe that's clear. I don't know. I mean, I wish everybody well. everybody who has, you know, a platform do great things with it and whatnot. But it's, there is some, um, some thread here that perhaps Dana Wilkie has been involved with this.

I don't know if that's true. I don't know. Again, no dog in this fight. But what is kind of funny to me about this whole Alibaba rumor is that as far as we know and as far as we've seen on the show, it's just some screenshots and stuff. None of this is like smoking. gun. I found the invoice of Whitney Rose buying all her necklaces from Alibaba. She received the shipment from China and then she jacked up the price. The only evidence that I've seen are photos of the same jewelry or jewelry that looks to be the same for sale on both platforms at different prices, which I'm not saying that means that there's nothing to it. But it's funny because in terms of the originating of the rumor and the source of this information or screenshots or whatever.

Like, literally, anybody with an internet connection could have gone and dug that up. Like, I personally don't like to spend my time combing through Alibaba to see if they have the same jewelry that Whitney Rose is selling. But plenty of people have time on their hands. I mean, plenty of people in this cast probably have time on their hands. Bronwyn seems like a rich lady with nothing to do. She's showing up at the airport in a pig costume. And look, I love that for her. But like, if anybody has time to be, you know, scrolling through, you know, Ali Express, trying to find Prism beauty necklaces, it's, it's this group of women. I don't know. I feel like we are not ever really going to get more actual information on the jewelry

rumor. So I kind of feel like at this point, it makes sense to sort of like put a little mile or where we are right now and then kind of just like move on. Obviously the the personal dynamics aren't going to completely reset, but like I don't need Whitney and Lisa every time they're together for the rest of the season to be arguing about a jewelry rumor. Because as Lisa said in this episode in her confessional, nobody cares about Whitney's jewelry. Right? Like I truly don't say that to be rude or mean or dismissive. Everybody has their own thing going on and that is great. I hope that people are buying Whitney's jewelry. Well, actually, I don't care if people are buying Whitney's jewelry. I hope that Whitney's jewelry has a fair shot in the marketplace as anyone else under our

capitalist hellscape does. But I don't actually care about Whitney as like a jewelry purveyor. And that's not what this show is about. That's not what we watch it for. I think Lisa's smart to point out that Whitney might be hoping she gets some sort of sales boost from this. Because let's be real, how many people watching this show were like actively remembering that Whitney Rose even has a jewelry company. It is actually wild. If you go through and actually try and catalog or remember or think of, all of the different businesses and collaborations and merch lines and product drops that we have had on these shows over the years. There are obviously iconic ones. Nobody is forgetting that

Bethany was Madame Skinny Girl herself. Nobody's forgetting that we had, you know, now I'm trying to think of another one. I mean, some of them are more iconic just in the in the framework of the show, like Karen Hugar's LaDom perfume or Sonia's Toaster Oven that never actually launched. But like, the amount of kind of throwaway ones, I mean, Larsa Pippin has a new one every single season. It is undoubtedly drawing attention to Whitney's jewelry line that it is the subject of conversation this season. I don't know how much that's translating to sales. I actually would be really curious. Like, I think it would be fascinating to really get like some under the hood data about how much money businesses that are featured on Real Housewives

bring in. Because I would guess that for a lot of these businesses, it's kind of like you get one big rush of orders, sort of the first time that it's featured on the show. And then after that, there might be some residual traffic. Obviously, if it's, you know, something like, you know, Tamara's CBD line or a food product, people might come back and buy a, it again or, you know, hair care or something like that. Jewelry is tough. You know, people have to really love a jewelry brand to want to be purchasing over and over again.

But I would really, like, I'm genuinely interested in this. And I don't think there's probably any real way to get those numbers because to be honest, what my guess is. And I'm whispering because I feel bad saying this, most of those numbers are probably pretty low. I don't think there are very many housewives businesses that are like raking in cash quarter after quarter. It's about making a quick buck and then moving on to the next thing.

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I don't know, a mild altercation at Angie's party, the husband dynamic. Because I feel like we haven't had a lot of husband involvement on this show lately. I mean, if you think about the biggest storyline last season, it was all the reality of auntie's stuff. And that was, you know, that all went down on a girl's trip, no husband's in sight. And, you know, Monica didn't

have a husband on the show. So it was kind of like, it didn't feel as, as relevant in the dynamic last year. But seeing John Barlow and Justin Rose go to this restaurant bar place together this week and, like, try and talk out what happened at that party over a plate of, say it with me, smashed potatoes. drink every time they say smashed potatoes, you'll be, you'll be tipsy in a span of three minutes. It's, I would, oh God, I could fuck with a smashed potato right now. But, no, seeing them kind of meet up, it almost feels like you're watching like four-year-olds who were left alone on a play date and they're like not actually quite sure what they're supposed to do. They're like, oh, um, unstructured playtime is a little stressful. We got this like 45 second clip of John Barlow attempting to parallel park his range rover, which was hysterical, but also as I was watching that, I was like, you know, this is why I can't ever go on reality TV.

Because if I was ever trying to parallel park an SUV and they had a camera on me, John Barlow would look like, you know, the world's most precision driver. My nightmare. I'm like, if I'm signing up to do housewives, don't film me trying to park. If I was ever going to blame something on the edit, I would be like, you did that on purpose to make me look beautiful. And it would work. But the energy with John and Justin, it's a little strange because obviously both of these guys have like strong feelings about protecting their wives and, you know, John wants an apology from Justin and Justin feels like he had to defend his wife and wouldn't want a choice. Like, I get that. But also, I'm kind of like, I don't feel like either of you guys

really are invested in like what's happening in the group. It feels like they were almost sent as like proxies that Lisa and Whitney this episode were like, okay, we need, we're not going to hang out together. We're not going to see each other until we go on this weird anniversary trip to somewhere that's apparently not Palm Springs, but close to it. So for this episode, John and Justin have to, you know, take the heat and go talk on our behalf. They're having like a little, it's like a little like mafia like parlay kind of thing. I don't know. I don't know all the words. But parlay is that? I think so. I don't know. I was wrong about Jessel yesterday. now I'm going to get DMs about not knowing like the right, you know, Godfather terminology, whatever.

It felt like they were kind of sent on behalf of Whitney and Lisa to like have a first round. And I don't really think we made any progress, which probably is to be expected. Heather and Bronwyn, they're suddenly kind of like a main dynamic this week. And we get like breadcrumbs of it leading up to their meeting toward the end of the episode. Because of course, like I mentioned, Bronwyn and Todd. are hosting this couple's trip for their 10-year anniversary of meeting each other. Yeah, that works, I guess. Brittany is not going to be invited because she and Bronman have not been getting along thus far.

But Bronman says that she is on the fence about inviting Heather because she, like, wants to get to a better place with Heather, but doesn't feel like they're currently in a great place, but isn't quite sure. So she's just going to invite her over to the house and kind of see what's up. And look, Bronwyn is still very new to this show. So it is funny to me when she, I feel like some of the conversations that she has, it feels like when she has this meeting with Whitney and Angie, and they're talking about all the stuff with Lisa. And, you know, Bronwyn is kind of sticking up for Lisa.

And Whitney's like, well, you know, be careful with Lisa because she's friends with you now, but she's going to come after you because you have everything she wants. And Bronwyn's like, oh, oh, that's not, I hate to hear that. I haven't seen that side of Lisa. And it's like, yeah, because you've known her for four weeks. Like, I do, I think Bronwyn is doing a good job of really getting her feet wet this season. But it also is kind of like, you got to walk before you run. Yeah, of course, of course not everybody has like, you know, stabbed you in the back and turned on you and had this saga because you literally are just still getting to know these women.

So I like that she's like taking strong positions. But also it's like, right, you don't have all the facts yet because you still just got here. But Angie trying to reframe the comment that she made about Lisa's parenting, it kind of drives me nuts because I am like, just own it. Just freaking own it, baby. Call me Lisa Rinn up because Angie K, you got to own it. Because watching that scene with Lisa and her sister, Lisa's one of those people where I feel like only. two or three times a season, do we get kind of like a real, like, stripped back, like, human moment from her? And I mean that as a compliment. She's an alien and I love her for it.

But when she's talking about how it's been tough for her since Jack, her older son, left for his mission because Henry isn't as sort of naturally social and outgoing. So when Jack was there, he not only did he have his brother there, but also Jack's friends were kind of like including Henry in a way. And so now that that's gone, Henry kind of is a little more to himself. And he had this birthday party that he sent out invitations last minute. And a lot of people didn't come. Like, that is such a watching Lisa kind of talk through those feelings.

It feels so real and so raw. And clearly she's really struggling with that. And so she feels like when Angie makes a comment about her parenting, that it is kind of like cutting deep and that is this really is this what angie has always thought of me and this is just the first time she said it do people actually think i'm a bad mom and look i mean a lot of the stuff on the show is ridiculous but i think that is like super real and super you know understandable to have those questions and so then when angie's kind of like well you know i wasn't uh you know i was never uh i was never talking negative i wasn't like

calling her about criticizing her parenting. It's like, I mean, but you were. And I think you can, we can have levels to it. Like, you can say in that moment, I made a comment that was about your parenting. That was shitty. Let's move on. And I think Angie kind of feels a little too defensive to me. Like, it's like, yeah, you, you said something kind of shitty. So instead of talking about it four different times to everyone else in the group, you and Lisa should probably just kind of smooth that over a little bit. And realistically, you should apologize. That's messy. I mean, we see a lot of, does she deserve an apology? Is the apology enough? Am I getting an apology? I'm expecting an apology. I think this is kind of a cut and dry situation where it's like, you made a shady comment about somebody's parenting.

Just apologize. I hope Angie kind of does that because, again, this is something where it's like, I don't want to spend the next 10 episodes talking about this one little comment that Angie made in Milwaukee that she doesn't think is a big deal. But it is a big deal to Lisa, and so it's like, just move on. Ready to soundtrack your summer? With Red Bull Summer All Day Play, you choose a playlist that fits your summer vibe the best.

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that you probably need to be single. And you're telling me right now that you're single. But last night, you were in a fucking entanglement at this party with two different guys. And so even if you're not like booed up in a relationship, that's not the same as being single. single. You are still, you are entangled in, in messy, complicated ways. And this is not the behavior that we talked about wanting to work on. I like when Heather's in kind of like this more down-to-earth mode where she is like, honestly speaking from her life experiences and trying to help her. And we kind of keep that energy going a little bit later in the episode when Heather and Angie go to Britney's like Mormon family night. I don't really know why we're hanging out at Mormon family night.

But Angie brought a bottle of wine. So that's, That's nice to, like, please. Angie Katzenever has never met a room that she wanted to read. But Angie feels like Heather is giving Lisa too much grace, of course. And she, I always forget, no matter how many times it gets brought up, that Angie and Heather have known each other since they were in high school. It just is crazy to me. Seeing the photos of them, it's like, oh, wow.

But Angie's kind of savage. She says that since they were teenagers, Heather has always wanted to be like cozying up to the cool people. And so she basically, she basically says that what she's doing now with Lisa is the same like blind loyalty, bad decision making that she exhibited with Jen Shaw. And like, Heather takes issue with that. She says it's not the same. And I gotta agree. I'm like, that's a little, that's a reach.

Lisa Barlow is certainly not perfect. and she makes questionable decisions sometimes, but like, she's not Jen Shaw. Lisa Barlow is not, like, being carted off to prison, deciding whether or not to plead guilty on her, you know, scamming old people. I might not believe that Vita Tequila is a business empire the way she wants us to believe it is, but like, please. Then the last scene in the episode is Heather and Bronwyn chat. First of all, okay, Brownwin's house is beautiful.

Why is there dog poop on the floor? I if you were filming this show, forget about your like everyday circumstances if you keep your house that clean. I don't care. Why? If you're, if the cameras are coming over to film and particularly if you're bringing someone over to the house, clean up the dog poop. What are we doing here? You're like unboxing hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of art and there's like pee on the floor. Make it make sense. I don't know. But it's strange to me because going into this meeting, Bronwyn clearly knows that she has some amends to make with Heather. She knows that their relationship has not gotten off to a good start. She says, Heather hasn't really seen the best of me. And Heather, of course, is expecting an apology. And Bronwyn clearly knows this. But it feels like she, once the conversation actually starts, she is so reluctant to like actually just speak in normal human words and just apologize because she's kind of doing this like housewives legalese apologizing thing of like I understand that

perhaps when I had said that prior comment that perhaps it could have appeared to come across as seeming to maybe be messy and if that was for for you the tone that it came across as I apologize for that tone seeming to indicate that I was perhaps in some way being messy. And Heather's like, okay, so you're, if it seemed messy or because it was messy? And then Bronwyn is like, she's still like going out on her weird little limb here. She's like, if you need me to apologize for being messy, I am willing to acknowledge that I was being messy. Like, I think if Bronwyn had just gone in and said, hey, I'm sorry for, you know, spreading what you said in the Wendy's sponsored car ride. Or whatever.

Like, I think we would have been in a much different place. But it almost feels like because Bronwyn is approaching this from such a, like, meticulous, calculated angle, Heather kind of is like, well, this is bullshit. I don't, I'm not going to like, what? And then the real, you know, the real kicker is when Heather's like, yeah, why did you even have me over? And Brown was like, well, my husband and I are doing this trip and I wasn't sure whether I wanted to invite you. So I felt like I needed to talk to you before I invited you.

But I also felt like if I didn't invite you, then it would be a bigger thing. So it's like, so I want you on the trip, but only because if I don't invite you on the trip, then I'm going to seem like more. Teddy, and then we're never going to be friends. And look, do I think that Heather is a little bit dramatic sometimes? Do I think that she is a little bit annoying sometimes? Yeah, everybody's a little bit annoying sometimes. In this case, I get why Heather kind of was like, wait, this is dumb. I'm going to go. Because like, is Heather that desperate to go on the anniversary trip? Clearly not. I mean, I guess it's going to be fun. She'll miss out on like one episode. Maybe she'll show up

last minute. Who knows? I'm more excited to see what's going on with the husbands. With John and with Justin and with Todd, it seems like Todd's getting into the mix a little bit. We'll see. Heather and Bronwyn, I still think that like, I feel like they're in the zone right now where it's like, it's early. It's the first season. If Bronwyn stays around on this show, we know the way that the Salt Lake City women pass around friendships, you know, like hot potatoes. I think that Heather and Bronwyn will like see eye to eye eventually in some way. It might not be this season though. It might be two seasons from now. It might be strategic.

It might be maybe something will happen that will make them feel like they have a connection. Who knows? But these friendships, we see the way they ebb and flow. And I'm okay with them ebbing right now. Ebbing? Yeah, I think. I don't know. Anyway, we'll be back next week.

Thanks so much for listening. Happy Halloween. and stay safe out there. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All Podcast is produced by Dylan Hafer and Bell Roman. Editing by Bell Roman, social media by Dylan Hafer and Candice Maniga, guest booking by Ali Friedlander. VP of Podcast is Chris Allen.

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