Mention It All - Who Brought Their Baggage To Thailand? Ft. Sarah Galli (RHUGT)

Episode Date: March 27, 2023

Dylan is joined by Sarah Galli in the studio, and they start by discussing all the RHOBH vets who have been spotted filming recently. What does a potential Kim appearance mean for Kathy? Then, they jet off to Phuket to recap the first few episodes of RHUGT, where the recent season of RHOSLC is weighing heavily on the dynamic. They also ponder Leah and Porsha’s goals going into this season, and why the Miami ladies are such a key piece of the puzzle. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and I am cozy in my chair in the studio on this Monday morning because I have a good friend with me, and it just so happens to be her birthday. Please welcome back to the podcast, Sarah Galley. Oh, my God. Is it my birthday? I've been, so I've deduced. So you've been told repeatedly by me every hour on the hour.

I'm the New York one of announcing it's my special day. This is our second day in a row. Yesterday I visited your apartment, your story, Cloughface. We recorded an episode for your podcast, Andy's Girls, which you can listen to anywhere you listen to, mention it all. And then we had a wee bit of a celebration. And we were supposed to watch Succession, but then we didn't, because we were. We were talking about shows on peacock, the rehearsal. And then we both separately watched Succession after I left your apartment.

It was quite literally a Succession Premier themed birthday party that did not for a single second include any kind of succession premiere content. Except I said as I put the veggie charcutory platter down, consider this knife a Shiv Roy. A Shiv, yeah. A Shiv. Very clever. So clever. So creative. Somebody listening to this podcast just groaned audibly.

They're like, oh. For the very first time. I have no concept of other people who listen to this podcast know about Succession. Well, are they people? Like, yeah. No, I'm not saying like Zero mentioned at all listeners overlap with Succession. I just don't know if it's like the crowd. Okay.

If you could cast a Succession character on a. a housewives franchise because I could we could go through the roster we don't have time there's a lot going on okay on any housewives franchise who would you put on housewives in which city or show because you could include vanderpump rules there's no rule here um i think well maybe going back to like season one or two i think willa could be on vanderpump rules oh my god like trying to make something happen for herself if she hadn't met connor um but i think Maybe she would be the, what was her name who went to Yale? She would be the veil.

She would be the veil of Vanderblerals. Maybe I would say like Carolina on the Roney reboot. Oh my God. So good. Yeah. That's really good. If you're like a casual succession viewer, Carolina is like the publicist for the Roy family.

So she's always kind of like putting out of fire. Yeah. I think she could, she could play. Yeah. Do you have a different, do you have an answer? I feel like I would, I mean, I think Roman would work on anything. Oh.

I also think Connor would be great on New York. Like some of that like Kelly Ben-Simon energy, I think is always helpful and fiery. I might put Shiv on Beverly Hills because I think we need her and she is deserved there. Maybe Roman on summer house. Roman, they would light the house on fire by day two to just be done with it. He would, can you imagine, like, Kyle would be, it would, he would burn everything up. I would love to see it. I would love to see it.

Yeah, maybe. I mean, maybe that'll be the succession spinoff because the show's ending. Maybe next season we'll get Curen Culkin on a reality show. Oh my God. I would love it from your lips. Well, we have other things to talk about that aren't succession themed. How dare you? If you're more, if you skew more Bravo than HBO, don't worry.

You still have come to the right place. first of all, Beverly Hills in the midst of filming right now, and there have been some interesting little developments over the weekend because Kyle hosted a dinner, a party, and both Denise and Camille were there filming, allegedly. And then also, Kim Richards was spotted on a hike with Kyle and Derreet. There are backgrid photos of the three of them together. Oh, back grid.

Okay, we talked about this a little bit yesterday. I the the Camille and Denise thing to me is a little bit like until it's real who cares because Kyle Kyle is always having a party and inviting whoever and so it's not like that doesn't mean that anybody's having like a storyline on the show the Kim Richards hiking with Kyle and Dorit thing that to me is like my ears just perked right up and it's also so much worse for me that Derreet was there because I feel like it's more of an ensemble choice as opposed to like Kyle just seeing her sister and not wanting to do that at like a dinner party like the fact that it feels like an active like they were probably there for a minute. The three of them, that is more of an active choice. So for those of us who wish Kim the very best in all the ways, but don't necessarily need that kind of stuff happening, that is, that's a 911. Well, yeah, I think it raises the question of have.

Kyle and Kim been talking or maybe even been filming privately that we haven't found out about? And then now Kim is sort of back in the fold? Or is this like a super random just a hike? What would that mean, if anything, for Kathy coming back? If they have Kim filming and Kathy's seemingly still TBD, is it better or worse for Kathy's chances if Kim is back? In a way, I think that Kathy's chances really just come down to what Kathy decides she wants. Good point. Because it does seem like last season, she sort of had a blank check, not in a money sense, actually, but like in a way of like whenever you want to start showing up, feel free to start showing up.

And she decided to at some point. I sort of feel like it's probably somewhat similar for this season. and maybe she's more hesitant this season because she and Kyle actually aren't in a good place. But the Kim thing is interesting because for the last couple of years, whenever there's been this question of, is Kim ever going to come back, especially now that Kathy was on the show? I don't necessarily think that being on the show is best for Kim. Yeah. At least based on, you know, kind of what we've seen and heard in the past.

She could be in a different place now. I don't presume to know. but I want Kim to be good more than I want her to be on TV. Totally. So I think when I see them filming, I'm like, of course it'll, I like Kim. You know, I enjoy seeing Kim. I think it would be fun to see her. But also it's like, I don't need her to do this for any reason other than like actually wanting to.

Yeah. It just makes me feel. I'm just sort of confused about what's going on with like the Richard sisters. But I guess that's no different from truly any other day. And when it comes to Kathy joining B.H. late. I mean, I think there was the blank check of it all, but also she was filming Paris in love. And then also essentially planning Paris's wedding. So since that obstacle has been removed, I think it really is now more purely about like,

I feel like I got fucked last year. I don't want to do this again, even though you could argue that she won. Did you see that Paris and Love is getting a second season? I'm really happy about it. I didn't, but I'm really happy about it. Did you watch it? Not all of it. I expected it to be bad.

And like, even though I liked her YouTube series, I just, I had no faith that it was going to be interesting, which is fine. I thought it was just going to be like fluff, like kind of funny, kind of kooky, not simple life stuff, but like not deep. and it was, I was really surprised about it. I don't know why. My expectations were just that it was going to be like, well, it's like a wedding special.

Right. I thought it was going to be like a Bravo style, some of the Bravo style wedding specials where it's like maybe there's a little something, but it's just like getting, and it was much deeper. I was really, and Kathy didn't look great in a lot of it, which I also really appreciated. Mm-hmm. It was like somewhat honest.

I thought it was honest. Yeah, I think Kathy occupies a really interesting place in terms of how she comes across and how her sort of image is and that she, I think in like a Hollywood sense, she has a very buttoned up image, but that sometimes when it spills over to the more reality TV side of things, there are some moments where it really is not so flattering for her. And I think it's, it's, it's kind of fascinating her continued choice to appear on shows like this, knowing that she might not always come out of it looking the best when it's like, Kathy Hilton, has enough money that she could just like sit in her house until the end of time.

She doesn't need to be like working. Yeah, but I mean, look at Diana. Look at Atrian Maloof. You know, fame is its own currency. And with Kathy, I mean, I can't wait then for Paris and Love S2. And also I'm sure Kyle will discuss this on B.H. Which Kathy won't be thrilled by. But the fact that Paris didn't tell anybody in her family that she was having a child until the

child was born. And then she was like, beep, beep, beep. Like, hey, guess what? Surprise. Surprise, grandma. I am very into that vibe and energy just based off of like her wanting to have privacy, maybe for the very, very first time in her adult life where like she was going through a significant chapter. She was in total control. And she was able to enjoy it without someone being like, here's what you should do. Here's what you need to do. I'm very curious for how Kathy actually received that news and I don't mean like did you get a phone call but how she processed it. Yeah. I mean, it's a choice.

I mean, it's a strong choice for Paris to make to basically not tell anyone in her life until after the baby had arrived. It's wild. Yeah. I'm into it though. I know. But I'm like, holy shit. Like I said, I didn't watch all of the first season of Paris in love, but something

like that, assuming that that's kind of what is going to be covered on this season. And I'm kind of like, oh, maybe I'll be tuning into that. Yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be really interesting. Are they filming now? They have to be. I don't know technically, but based on the timing of the season two announcement, I'm assuming that it's about like her becoming a mom. Wow.

Yeah. Well, maybe then she'll have, Kathy will have that excuse as far as filming goes. I mean, it might be a, and it might not be, it could be an excuse with like a lot of validity that if she's doing a lot of filming for parents. I mean, who know. At the end of the day, Kathy will do whatever Kathy wants to do. I just don't know that Kathy knows what she wants to do.

Yeah, I mean, I do. It's the kind of thing where, like, Mr. and Mrs. Peacock could definitely find a way to make it work for her to do both. Tim and Susan Peacock. Madame NBCUniversal. But, yeah, I mean, Kathy, like we said, she doesn't need to do anything. So, we'll see. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom Rack stores.

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Let's talk about girls trip. Okay. Let's go on a new trip. Let's go to Picquette. Let's go to the cat. Let's, let's trudge up that hill to this villa. The visual of these women having to walk up a hill to get to the house and like, does the, does the airport car service not drive up the hill? I mean, talk about a hilling journey for poor sweet Whitney. Who was like, I'm not going to make it. She's like, I'm not going to survive them. She arrived at the bottom of the hill first and then somehow was the fourth person to get to the house. I'm like, you got the bootleg Uber from the airport, because everybody else got door to door. It was like a relay version of how the real world cast usually.

Remember when they would like enter? Well, we were the same age. So we remember the first generation of the real world. But they would like enter and it was like a whole thing. This was sort of like that, but with cardio. It's like on traders. And they're like, well, I mean, if we were just hanging out in the castle, it would have been fun.

But like we're doing challenges. Kate Chastain would have left. She wouldn't have entered into their little Thailand, not little, not so little, beautiful Thailand villa. She would have been like, nope, sorry. It's a gorgeous villa. The views, it just makes every single thing about girls trip makes the Bluestone Manor season funnier.

That's exactly what I was saying. If you were Jill Zarin and you know Jill's watching every episode of everything that's ever been on Bravo and Peacock right now and God bless her. That's why we love her. Keep it up. She is the Domn MBC Universal. You know she's so upset and you know that Durinda's watching it being like, it's the same thing. My house is exactly the same as this. You had gorgeous luxury. They had gorgeous luxury.

And you had a home. Oh my God. Vicky watching it right now. I would be kind of upset. I mean, Vicki got to go to Morocco at least. Oh, right. So she's, yeah. But still. Oh, my God. I completely forgot. Vicki's like, I had to allegedly lie about my vaccination status so I could go spend a week in the Birchers at this musty-ass house and these women have ocean views. Also, shout out Vicki Gumbelson. Happy birthday. Oh, yeah, happy birthday, Vicki. Shout out to the other OG.

Victoria. Yeah. Is she 60 yet? Are we? What a way to phrase it. No, I think she's 61 and it's very upsetting to me that I know that. And Shannon just turned 59 on Friday. And it is also very upsetting to me that I know that.

There is something. I think she's 61. There is something... That's so bad that I know that. It's terrible. There's something a little titillating to me about the fact that the number of 60 plus housewives is increasing. Because for a while, it was like only Ramona.

Or like Leah Black is in her 60s. There's a few other ones. But like Lisa Vanderpump turned 60 last year, I think. Vicky is 60. Caroline's got to, Caroline Manzo's got to be close. I don't know. Caroline Manzo's got to be in her 60s. But like, it's kind of fun that we're getting this, like, senior class.

Well, I don't think of 60s as senior. I think of 60s as, like, mature. I mean, technically. In, like, a society sense, like, 65 plus is, like, senior citizen. Wow. 60 is the new, like, 50, which is the new 13. I agree. I agree.

But, like, when you go to the movie theater and you're like, I'd like one senior citizen ticket, 65. I mean, AARP is banging down your door when you're, you know. you're what, 50? Oh my God. I might be that, I might be that weirdo that goes to the movie theater. And they're like, would you like a senior ticket? I'm like, no, I'll pay full price. I'm young. How dare you? Where are you carding me? Actually, I'll take a student ticket. Thank you. Oh, my God. My senior year of college was the last year that they didn't put your year of graduation on your student ID. And I used that until I lost for so. And then I accident. I like threw it while you're so

upset. But I used it for everything. As you should. I was like, don't. Yeah, I'm in call. I'm in the school of life. And that is how you commit fraud. Speaking of fraud, I absolutely loved the way these women came in, raring to go with questions about Jen Shaw because they were filming this in July right after Jen had entered her guilty plea. Heather came to this trip mere days after being in New York with Jen.

She tells us that Jen called her right before she went to the courthouse to please. lead guilty and basically said, I don't want you to be blindsided. And all of these women, it's so relatable, the way that these women, thinking back to last summer, are watching social media, news, whatever, and being like, wait, what? And I'm going to be with her BFF, who knows everything. Oh, I can't wait to ask those questions. Yeah. And the way that Heather pretends that she, like, cares the most about the victims and is working

on that PR strategy in some of her responses, also noting that she at one point was like, well, she's, it was something, this is not verbatim, but it was something on the lines of like, well, you know, is she guilty either she lied in court or she's lying to me as if to say, which I'm, I'm sure actually happened that Jen was like, I'm just doing this for strategic reasons. I'm not actually guilty, which I think is fascinating. I mean, Jen, to the day of her sentencing was basically like, I didn't know how bad it was until I found out how bad it was. And then I felt so bad. And that's why I pled guilty.

And it's like, okay. I mean, I guess you're, there's no, there's nothing in it for Jen to ever like walk back that story and admit to something more devious. She's literally in prison right now already. But seeing Heather process it and seeing these other women who don't have. the background or the history within the Salt Lake City cast kind of apply their own thought process to it. It really is fascinating to see them be like, wait, so you're still, this is, that's still your girl. And Heather's like, well, I mean, yeah, like, I don't, I don't support what she did, but like, I'm like there for her. And it's like, it's tricky. And it's refreshing

sometimes to see housewives have like real opinions about things that are happening with the other shows because it's like, okay, yeah, you're like a normal person watching this unfold and being like, that seems weird. Right. And also, if you are Heather or that or really honestly anyone in a situation where you're trying to get out of a critique, you can always turn it against a cast member. You're only saying this because you dislike me. You're only saying this because you essentially want.

me to have a bad edit versus these women who you can't make that argument about generally. I guess you could in the context of like girls trip, but it just, I don't see that happening. I mean, like, you technically could argue that if you wanted to, but that's removed, which means there's an additional pressure because they don't have a vested interest in that way. They're not a continuing cast member. You're not going to be filming Salt Lake City with them next season, which frees up those people to be like WTF are you doing? And it, I think, puts more pressure on Heather to answer because

they don't have the same interests that she could argue Lisa Barlow might. Right. And with the, the dynamic between Heather and Whitney is a major part of this season. And we see Giselle sort of carrying the question flag. And there's this, I guess, phone conversation that she had had with Heather prior to them going on this trip where Heather was talking about her issues with Whitney and kind of how everything had been going and they had just finished filming and all of this stuff. And then at the beginning of the trip, Heather and Whitney are sort of telling everyone, well, you know, like stuff happened, but it's, you know, clean slate, sweep under the rug, we're going to be good, whatever. Like, we're figuring it out. And Giselle is kind of like, well, I was talking to you on the phone like last

week and you sure had a lot to say about this girl over here. So I think Jiselle is like, this is where she shines because she's like, well, if I have the information, I'm not going to just not say it. Like we're here for a week. What else are we here to do? This is where, regardless of how you feel about her, Jiselle shows her skill as a housewife, because she's just going to say it and she's extremely direct in ways that she is deeply, deeply comfortable being. which I think is helpful to all of us. But this like Heather Whitney, I don't know, the experience of watching their dynamic on girls' trip,

noting we're only three episodes in, but it feels like we've seen 12, I just am like a little off-kilter about it. Because we obviously watch them deal with and kind of struggle with even sort of understanding how they feel on Salt Lake City. Then they go on girls' trip. and like allegedly there is some sort of healing that takes place.

Then they have a world war at BravoCon at the Salt Lake City panel. Then they have the girls trip panel when they're like continuing to fight with each other. Then they film the Salt Lake City reunion. I just like I don't even, I'm getting confused as to where we are because so much is going on and it's obviously not being filmed in order. Yeah. I mean, you just said all the things in the correct order. So I think like it's not so much that the timeline is confusing.

It just is you feel like you need something to like anchor yourself to where it's like, I need a I need like a screenshot of this moment and time where it's like, okay, thinking back to last summer, this is right after Jen has pled guilty, but we don't know anything about the season yet. And so I think it's interesting to watch kind of like another layer from before their season had aired. because obviously things kind of fester and social media stuff happens when the show is airing. And, you know, people have, there are a lot of outside opinions. So it's interesting to watch it kind of like in a vacuum a little bit where it's like we're still kind of reeling and processing from what we have filmed, but it hasn't been broadcast

at all yet. And it's interesting. And I think we see sort of a similar vibe with Candace and Giselle because they're coming off of filming their season seven. and Candice obviously has a lot of feelings about Giselle coming off of that season based on the stuff that happened with Chris. And they seem to be a little bit, a little bit like unclear too on whether they're going in with a clean slate or whether they're leaving their issues back at home. Because they sort of say they are at the beginning.

But then by the end of episode one, we have Candice telling Whitney that Giselle is not to be trusted and, you know, that she'll do. anything she thinks is going to be good for ratings and, you know, that life has whooped her ass and that's why she has a wall up. And I think with Candace, I don't think she's wrong to have any of these feelings about Giselle. But there's, it's interesting to me the kind of dichotomy between like, are we or aren't we letting our outside issues become a part of the storyline on this spinoff? Yeah, I feel like the Giselle and Candice stuff. I, I actually feel like there's more, and I know this is going to sound maybe crazy, but I feel like there's like almost more hope there that's currently being presented by

Candace and Giselle, where they'll give each other a little bit more space than what we're seeing with Heather and Whitney. And with Heather, it's like a two-parter. Like one, do we really still not understand the difference between a break and like having someone add a little bit of a boundary to a friendship and saying, I just need a breathe and a breakup? There's such a difference there and her deep disinterest in communicating to Whitney, let alone us that she understands the difference is frustrating.

And also for Heather, she had a tough season with fans, I would say. How do we think this is going to go for her overall? Will people feel maybe better at the end of it? Are they, is this going to compound an existing, maybe temporary, but an existing issue that's going on with the Bravo community as how they kind of view her? Because I really genuinely want to know how you feel about that. Yeah. I think it's, I think Heather is in a sticky situation that she has largely created for herself. But the difference between kind of the claims that they're making about each other, to me, it's, Heather seems to have a very.

specific idea of kind of where Whitney did her wrong. And that is mostly based on the idea that she kind of played things up or lied on her for TV. Right. And that she's saying that Whitney was basically desperate after Justin lost his job to secure this TV show as the sole, you know, provider for the family at that time. And so she was kind of like this. is my big chance with this storyline about, you know, Lisa Barlow and the jazz tickets and, you know, honestly, at this point, like, the storyline doesn't matter. It's the mechanics. Right. And basically, Heather is saying that Whitney was mad at her because she wouldn't play along

with this TV scheme. But I think with Whitney, it's, it feels like it's coming from a deeper place that Whitney is upset with Heather, or at least she's saying she's upset with Heather. because she doesn't feel like she's been given this support and this kind of grace and whatever that Heather has given to Jen Shaw or maybe Angie Harrington. But so like they're, I think they both have a root cause of why they aren't on good terms. But I think with Heather, unfortunately,

if the argument is coming down more to like TV mechanics, type of stuff and Whitney's argument is coming down to like being supported as a friend and a person, Heather starts to fall a little bit flat. Even if there is some truth there or some accuracy there in terms of what actually happened, it does seem like, because it's so easy for us to be like, Heather, why are you still ride or die for Jen? That I think is like the big question at the center of it. Yeah. And she obviously, her ability to see only the worst in Whitney, which involves a little creative math on her part versus the gen stuff is just, it's, listen, this happens once in a lifetime to have that house.

We're just, except that the moment like this has unfortunately happened with a few different housewives in parallel like this. It's just the timing of it is tough. It's tough to be, I would think, right now, a Heather Superstand who sees nothing wrong in her actions, watching her try to drag Whitney's reputation. And Jen just made, you know, a decade-long accidental mistake. A decade-long accounting error. It's tough. You know, math is hard. Yeah.

Math is hard. You're telling me. me. I don't know. That's what I tell my landlord every month. Yeah. I mean, it's just tough because I think part of also viewing it as this larger timeline and knowing that this came before a lot of the subsequent stuff, the BravoCon, the reunion, we know that they have not gotten to any kind of better place. And so it makes going back into the trenches of last summer feel like a little bit of an exercise in like self-flagellation because it's like, okay, so we're going to, we're going to do this again and we already know that the outcome is not going to be anything productive.

And it's not that I'm not enjoying watching the show because I do think there's a lot of good stuff happening in these first three episodes, but there's a sense of like, what is the point a little bit? Yeah, and I just feel like Salt Lake was so messed up. Like this season was what made me feel bad. I did not want to continue watching it. And yet I did the ultimate sacrifice. But I just am like watching.

I'm like, all right, we're still going to talk about this stuff. And you're going to say things that feel forced or manipulative. And I just kind of am like, all right, we couldn't have like anybody else. And I mean, who would have had the foresight? of knowing how many months after the fact people would receive Salt Lake. But I just am like, I don't know. I guess there are superstars and then there are others. Well, I think it's interesting to think about the specifics of this casting that if they had sent like Whitney and Lisa Barlow, it would be a completely different vibe because they wouldn't, they would be talking about Jen Shaw.

they would be talking about things that have happened on their show, but they wouldn't have this personal conflict with each other. And so it would sort of free up the space in the room a little bit. And, you know, I think there are interesting things happening. Like Leah's whole arc over these first few episodes is so interesting and kind of hard to get your hands around. And that is something that is completely separate from the housewives establishment over on Bravo. And so it's kind of exciting that it's like,

okay, this is a completely new thing that we're witnessing and is like exclusive to this set of girls' trip episodes. All new drinks are now at McDonald's with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refresher and the mango pineapple refresher to crafted sodas like the Sprite Berry Blast

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offer to her. Maybe they kind of just reached out generally about like, are you still interested? I don't know. But it's kind of just like something to do. I don't know how much Leah is really like doing these days. And I don't mean that in like a shady way of like, what is your career kind of vibe. But like I just, you know, I think she kind of was reinventing herself on Roney a little bit, maybe like relaunching her company or kind of entering a new era. She did a book. She, you know, she doesn't seem like somebody who has a super like set in stone career trajectory outside of Housewives, even if she has been like successful in certain arenas. And so I feel like maybe this was just kind of like, hey, I have this opportunity. it kind of seems like it would be dumb not to do it.

But I don't know for her that there was really like an end game goal. Well, what was interesting to me, I forget if you said this on, because we did a pod swap. So I forget if you said this on Andy Scrolls or during our succession themed birthday party that did not include actually watching or talking about succession. But some, I think it was, I think it was you mentioned that is it shed or the production. company that Leo was talking about who she felt is at fault for not being with her grandmother, which is like a very kind of distressing, obviously upsetting, ground shifting trauma for her, that they are the same, that Whitney said they were her production company, but they're also the same production company that did this girl's trip?

I believe so, yeah. That's a lot. Like to be talking about that. Yeah. In front of cameras, obviously, but in front of like the same cameras that you felt screwed you at a time in which you really needed someone to like advocate on your behalf. That is interesting. It's like the bubble inside of the bubble of thinking about that. Like she knows that she's talking about the people she agreed to work with again.

Or maybe she didn't know is that production company. I don't know how those specifics work. with girls trip. But that was real, that's like an extra layer of nuance to have that conversation in front of maybe some of the same producers even. Who knows? Yeah,

I think comparing her to Porsche on this trip, because they're the two that aren't current housewives. Yeah. On main franchises, Porsche seems like so carefree. She's just kind of like there to have a good time. and, you know, maybe have a little drama, maybe stir shit up a little bit, maybe just kind of like have a few cocktails and hang out and live her best life.

And Leah doesn't seem as like free on this trip. And I think it's tough to come in that it's like, I don't know what her goal was, but it does feel a little bit like what was your hope for this? Like what did you, did you think this was going to be really fun? Or are you doing it because you wanted the check? Or are you doing it because you wanted, you know, some exposure or something? Whereas, like, I feel like, Porsche, they offered her a number that she was comfortable with. And she was like, hell yeah, I'll go to Thailand.

And that sounds fun. And I don't, I'm not getting that energy from Leah so much. Well, I also think Porsche has obviously so much influence as a very, very, very one of the, I think one of the most popular housewives, certainly to come out of housewives. and leave relatively recently, much more seemingly financial business success. She's happily married. And she's within that freedom, also seemingly able to really also be incredibly vulnerable

on the trip so far and talking about her challenges dealing with postpartum depression and her not feeling able to get out of bed, let alone film and feeling the support of production. in that moment of saying, listen, being here and being present, you don't need to, quote, unquote, like, asterisk emphasis, do anything. Yeah. We are here for you. Don't feel like you need to perform, perform, play the part.

Whatever you are going through, we are here for you for it. And let's remove some of the pressure that you might feel with the spotlight, which I think is interesting because obviously, as you said, like she's more interested in having fun. I'm sure has watched the other girls' trip iterations, seems to have a current present fluency about what's happening in the Bravo world, which I always really appreciate, especially on girls' trip, and is also able to share those vulnerable moments

and get really pissed. I mean, she's, I think, when it comes to, like, what's the payoff of doing girls' trip, I think regardless of how I feel about some of her individual reactions to some of her current cast. on girls trip that like obviously girls trip is going to pay off I would think for Porsche in the end yeah I mean she was on watch what happens live with Jazele last night I didn't watch

the whole thing but um specifically they asked about if she would come back to real house of Atlanta what she say she she just said like never say never right kind of thing like very you know not like a soft yes but also not a no um and I think with Porsche it does feel like that door has never been closed. Yes. And, you know, even if it's not going to be this season, next season, maybe it's three or four years down the line. Maybe it's something different.

Maybe it's another girl's trip. You know, I think she has always kind of been still like percolating in the universe, whereas like this for Leah to me feels like it's likely to be the last thing. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I think... Well, because, like, what are the options? If she's not well received on this girl's trip, which I think right now... And she doesn't really want to be there.

Tough. Yeah. She's not going to get, like, asked back to another girl's trip. She's not going to be involved in whatever's happening with Rony legacy or reboot. Like, at a certain point, it's like, okay, like, I like to Lia on New York for the most part. Like, I... Especially that first season, I thought was really strong. but it's like at the end of the day, she's a two-season housewife from a franchise that kind of got canceled.

So it's like, and she didn't have the closure of it, which I know like we talked at length about when that decision was made, but I don't think that holds up. Well, I mean, I don't think it, I think that it was a bad situation to begin with, but I really think the decision to cancel the reunion worked out pretty terribly for all involved. I don't think that was a great choice. I think that they have made some pretty unfortunate strategic decisions. I can't believe that they announced the reboot and legacy without finalizing legacy, which led us to the chaos that we're currently in. And with Leah, maybe she was just like, this is a chance to have to close the door and have a door present to close since they took the reunion off its hinges.

And maybe she was just like, and this will just be what it is. and I will be able to be honest and be with people who, you know, similar to like the Heather, Lisa of it all, like aren't going to be as focused on like necessarily messing with me as cast members. Like maybe she just thought this will be cool and fun. And at least she made a friend from it.

Yeah. Candice. Yeah. I don't know. It seems like everybody else is like a little more down to just kind of like party. Enjoy the ride. Yeah.

And like, I mean, Marisol, it might have a stomach ulcer and she is like a little more fun energy than Leah sometimes. I don't know. Marisol is the, what is it, is the straw that stirs the drink. And that drink is going to murder her tum and she does not care. They need to draft Marisol to Salt Lake City so somebody can be the CEO of fun. They really do. With her microphone, hookers.

Here's the thing with Marisol and Alexia is like, I sort of, it's super unfair. I don't care. I just love them together. I love the speaking in Spanish and having absolute side conversations. I don't care. It's so unfair. But as like an outsider viewer to this, I'm not Giselle in that moment. I just love it.

Yeah. I love it. It's interesting the difference in vibe of the castmates because like, Heather and Whitney obviously totally at odds right now. Weird energy. Candice and Giselle have some stuff clearly. Marisol and Alexia are like truly dynamic duo, here for a good time. Not a long time.

Ethel and Lucy. Like they, there's no sense of like a storyline between the two of them. And I kind of think that is really important this season because so much of there's just more like baggage. in general, then it feels like, I mean, the ex-wives club baggage was very specific and, like, mostly in the past, whereas this is like a little too much current stuff happening, maybe. And I love that Alexia and Marisol are just like, yeah, we're here in Thailand. Like, we're going to have fun. I'm going to get a yacht day so we can bring a little bit of Miami to Phuket.

It's like, okay, do it. The y'all looked nice. Arguing about who's tequila. That was, which I was like very into. Because apparently they don't have Don Julio in Thailand. So this was like the only nice tequila they could get. I mean, that's Pepsi failed at his job there. He got Porsche to the KFC.

He should have gotten the 1942. How into Pepsi? The first time I would ever vote Pepsi over Coke. This is the first time I will choose Pepsi. All three seasons of girls trip, they actually have done a fantastic job of casting, recruiting. casting. It's casting. The house manager, the concierge role, because those people have been central to all three seasons. And I mean, Pepsi, most of all, is just so fucking funny. And also such a light. I'm really, yeah, he has a great sense of humor and of himself.

And I love the way that he understands seemingly as like maybe even, God forbid, an actual concierge, which you can't really say about. some of the other folks at least. Marco from X-wives Club was like I'm an actor. I don't know why I'm here. He's like, I'm an actor. Here's how much I was paid. I don't know anything about housewives. I'm extremely uncomfortable. But Pepsi seems like to, you know, Pepsi's like

saying things about the house that make me think that Pepsi actually does this for a living and it's also great TV. He's like, I put Leah in room 3B. I'm like, wait, you know the layout? I'm impressed. I really, how did you feel about that? Why was that the only bad

room. I think just because it had no view and was like the smallest, I don't know. It was, I, I, I, it was an interesting choice to have the rooms pre assigned, I will say. Did you like it? Um, I didn't dislike it, but also it's sort of that thing of like, now we'll never know what delicious chaos we could have had if these women were arriving in Thailand and having to scramble to secure their rooms. Because, you know, that could have been television gold. Think of all the housewives room chaos we've had but also it's like it's fine.

I don't need that. It's just like something to think about. I would be curious to see how like Alexia Marisol would receive you know, arguing or having any kind of negotiation process over a room. Like would they be cool? That's true. I guess we didn't get that on Miami at all this season because they were like when they were

in the keys they were each had like their own, they were in like hotels. They didn't really do a house type of vibe. Right. Whereas like, you know, Potomac, New York, that's like the lifeblood is who gets what room. Oh my God. May its memory be a blessing, Ramona in the rooms. I know.

We'll never quite have that back. We'll never have that back. People try. I mean, they try to, they try to, you know. At Bluestone Manor, the rooms were assigned and that created drama too. Brandy was like in a, you know, hovel down the hallway. Like. Dorinda to this day, by the way, it's like her triggers when someone references the couch.

And she's like, just so you know, it costs a bajillion dollars. And it's whatever designer from London. It's like it's better than any room that's in her house. Let me say that. What do you think Durinda would? Had Durinda been added to this show? How do you, would you have wanted to see that? If, if production was like Dylan, we have an idea.

Do you want this to happen? To add Durinda to this specific. specific girls trip. No. Yeah. I think I like Derinda a lot. I think Durinda is fun. I think she also is more of a real person than comes across on the show sometimes.

But I don't think, I think Durinda's like doing a good amount. Yeah. Agree. I'm fine. Honestly, like I wouldn't really have added anyone to this cast with the exception of how I said that I think it would be interesting to see a version of it that was like had Whitney and Lisa. But I, you know.

That hurts my heart. as you said that, I was like, oh, because that would have been so good. Lisa Barlow would be like, Pepsi. Pepsi. Can you give me a Diet Coke? What is it? 44 ounces. 44 ounces.

Light eyes. Easy ice with lemon. Thank you, Pepsi. Oh my God. She would have had Vita. She would have thrown that Don Julio overboard and been like, I got the stuff. She'd be like, why didn't even have the class. I brought my Vita.

Lisa Barlow needs to be on girl. I actually had Lisa Barlow on. live show and she was shading the idea that like Salt Lake City isn't old enough to be on it. So like no one should do it. And that's when I think there were rumors that Whitney and Heather were going to be on it. But I would love to see her on Girl's Trip. Totally. She'd be really fun.

I agree. I also think she would lose her shit, which I would be extremely into as well. Yeah. Well, I, you know, I have a lot of thoughts on Girls Trip. I actually interviewed Jackie Goldschneider last week, which is going to be on an, upcoming episode. So make sure you're following the show to stay tuned for that. But she had a girls' trip concept that I really liked that may or may not include Lisa Barlow.

Can you tell us who else was in it? And is there a theme? We have to listen. We have to listen. We have to listen. Of course. Of course we do. So make sure you're following the podcast.

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