Mention It All - Who Calls The Shots On Housewives Trips? Ft. Sarah Galli (RHOA)

Episode Date: July 25, 2022

Dylan is joined by Sarah Galli, host of Andy’s Girls, and they kick things off with an important discussion about the chic-ness of wind chimes. Then, they turn to RHOA, where Shereé’s business strategy is still a major question mark. They discuss Kenya and Marlo’s cold war status on the latest trip, and whether Fatum is doing too much. Later, they discuss the new season of RHUGT, and whether Porsha could make an Atlanta comeback. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and today I am excited to be joined by a returning guest who, you could say she's very chic. You could say she's the chicest guest you've ever seen. She keeps things hot and cold. Please welcome to the host of the Andy's Girls podcast, Sarah Gets. Ali. Oh my God. She's chic, but is she Se la Vee? That is the question of the hour. I mean, I don't know

if Jamie Lee Curtis's My Hand and Yours merch is Sheik Sele-Vee, but we know it is very chic. It is so chic. I cannot. That moment is burned in my brain, I have to tell you. And I caught it. A moment of the year. Of the millennium. As Ramona would say, of the millennial. I did. So I posted about it on Bravo by Betches and Derreet did like the post. So I think she's like in on the joke, at least now. I don't know what goes through her brain in the moment because everybody else at the table is just watching being like, girl, what? What are you doing? What are you saying? I mean, Jamie Lee Curtis must at least be flattered and, you know, good for her. I mean, people are buying chimes because they're cheap.

I mean, like, I think this really honestly was a moment. I'm sure it helped. Have you gone to My Hand and Yours.com? You know, I haven't had the pleasure. I'm hoping that you have. Are we going to do a little bit of a shop? Is Betches, is Bravo by Betches going to sponsor some wind chimes for our New York City apartments? Sponsor is a strong word, but I'm on the website right now, and they do have a lot of different products.

The dog leash is $40. Whoa. The Tumblr, which keeps things hot and cold, is only $25, which seems like not a bad deal. The wind chime is only $28. And it is, believe it or not, sold out. See, I think I would want the wind chime the most. The wind chime is the, I feel like, the most kind of unique product. They have some, like, weird handholding sculptures that I guess are kind of.

of cute, but those weren't, those weren't featured on The Real House Voice of Beverly Hills. So I feel like I would need to either get like the dog leash, but I don't have a dog, the tumbler, but I already have too many, you know, cups and water bottles. So I think, yeah, the, the wind chime is really the like specialty ticket item. But unfortunately, yeah, it's sold out. Maybe they should have, they probably should have priced it higher than $28 if they knew that it was going to get this fabulous endorsement from Dorek Kemsley. I mean, how much are we?

Wind chimes. I've never, honestly, I've never been an active participant in wind chime culture. Are wind chimes usually expensive? I mean, isn't the wind free? You know, like, how much, how much should a wind chime be? If a wind chime could chime, how much would a wind chime be? I mean, likewise, I've not participated in wind chime culture, but I imagine that the prices range significantly and it's less about the cost of the wind than about like the decorations, including. on the wind chime because some of them are probably quite elaborate or there's like some artistic elements going into it. This on the other hand is quite a minimalist win chime, I would say. It's, you know, it's like dark gray with no kind of ornamentation. But I mean, I feel like you could price it higher. This goes to charity. So if it was like a $50 wind chime, I would still be considering it. But it's nice that the product description, there's like a little note. from Jamie Lee. She says, singing for spring and summer, I have always been comforted by the beautiful

sound of wind chimes. The unexpected and varying sounds encouraged by the natural conductor, wind, is a perfect compliment to our mission of comfort and connection and the reminder that you are not alone. That's in all caps. A new branded offering. A lovely gift for all ages, Jamie. Wow. It's a lot of words about a wind chime. While you were talking the spring and summer, summer moment. I was like, okay, I see you. I did think Shire owned those seasons, but like, okay, we'll let you say them out loud, even though it does make me feel a little she by Sherey. But like, this is a good cause. I'm into it. I can support both, I suppose. Jamie Lee Curtis is not like a Bravo LeBretty branding her product as singing for spring and summer.

Like she's just like a random famous person with some charity products. So I don't know if she's really thinking about Chiray when she's writing the description for her winch. Well, she by Chiray, I put my hand in a shopping bag holding your items hopefully one day. BCC, your partners in this burgeoning business that hopefully will be able to support at some point. Speaking of Shibai Chiray, we're talking about Real Housewives of Atlanta today. I know we've both watched this latest doozy of an episode, but one moment on this episode that I thought was kind of funny. separate from all of the drama that's going down is when Candy is giving Shiree, her little like business masterclass. And I feel like the advice that she is giving Sherey is so basic.

And it's good advice, but it is literally like so surface level about how, you know, start with a small collection and then use the money you make from that collection to build more. And Shiree is like, thank you, Candy. That's some really good advice. I'm definitely going to implement that in my business. And it's like, it's how many years have you? has it been? And you're at least acting like this is new, different advice than you've ever heard. I'm like, what is happening? But I think it maybe is different. Like, I think that that's not, I think Shiree needs to hear that because the thing is, it's how many years in, as Candy herself said, that should be the most successful housewife business on Atlanta, if not within all of the

franchises. The name recognition is insane. If we're going crazy over a fucking windjew, shime, no disrespect to hands. Imagine what we would be doing with She by Shrey product. And yet it hasn't happened for a very over the course of a very long time. So maybe Shiree does need to hear this just in order to get it off the ground. Right. Like why all these years later does it need to be a huge fashion show spectacle event that Dwight U. Banks is going to be at?

Like, just sell the damn joggers. I mean, sell us anything. Sell us anything. I mean, it's not difficult to, like, screenprint your logo on a pair of sweatpants. Like, she could be selling something tomorrow. So it is just a little bit like, where is the disconnect? Do we need what we really need, maybe next season on Beverly Hills, Kyle can invite Choray over to her Children's Hospital of Los Angeles lunch and she can, like, hawk her wares at the lunch.

so Darit can maybe hype her up a little bit. I mean, who do you think the Derreet would be in the Atlanta cast? The person who like, Choray is going to do like a Shibai luncheon event, like she's going to next season, they're going to have a terrific launch of whatever happens at the end of this season, hopefully fashion show with fashions. And then Shiree gets, you know, the group together. Who do you think her cheerleader would be? Who would be the Dorit in the group?

I think it would probably be Candy because I think Candy I don't think Candy would do it in the same way as DeRite because she's not going to you know Candy's not going to be out here like kissing Shire's ass but I think Candy would be a cheerleader for her and wants to see her succeed

maybe more genuinely than some of the rest of the people in the group but also you know maybe Fatoum is going to be out there earning her keep because she's been on this season all of two episodes and is doing the most, I would say. How do you feel about Fatoum? How do I feel about Fatoum?

I feel like Fatum has come in way too hot. Yeah. There's always the thing of like, when somebody pops up in the middle of the season, and it's somebody that we've never seen or heard of before, there is that moment where it's like, okay, like someone new. Like, I like having kind of friends and acquaintances around in the group. I think that helps it feel kind of like a, fully fleshed out, you know, social circle.

And we've always, they've done a good job of that in the past on Atlanta with, you know, Marlowe, Shamiya, you know, like lots of kind of those types of figures. But with Fatoum, that first episode a couple weeks ago that she was on where Shere had her sleepover party and she had gotten the private investigator to look up Drew and Ralph's aliases. It just feels like it's coming out of nowhere. and that she has come on to the show for the very first time already with this very strong agenda against Drew and Ralph. And while I would be interested in learning more about the backstory of whatever has

happened with Drew and Ralph, I need there to be like an origin story of why Fatoum, like, has a hard on for bringing down Drew. And I don't think we've gotten any of that. So it sort of just feels like you have this like thirsty girl who, has come on the scene and seems to be seizing her opportunity. But like we've seen in the past, you know, we've had, we've had people like Fallon or Yovana or, you know, come on this show. And just because you have a big moment or you get into a fight with a longer, you know, a more official cast member, that's not enough to get you a peach. Like I think we've seen people go down this road,

particularly on Atlanta before. And it's like, I don't actually think this ends with her becoming a housewife next season. I mean, I honestly can't even believe she's a friend of. Is she a friend of or is she a cameo plus? I think she's a cameo plus. It's always a little hard to tell, but I definitely recall when at the beginning of this season that it was like, here are the housewives and then also Marnietta is a friend. And so I don't think Fatoum is like an official official friend. But I mean, she came on, she showed up to the trip, which is, you know, she clearly was like on. the call sheet somewhere. So I don't know. Her energy is so weird. It makes me like anxious. It's very not manic, but like there's something about it that's like spiritually itchy. It's,

it's like it gets inside of you in a way where I'm like, I don't even know if this person is a personality, but her carrying that wine glass when they were doing the gem washing or whatever It was called. Like that, it was, I just got very nervous. Why is this woman holding an empty wine glass as like a support or something? It was very, she's, it's not viking for me. This, this vibe is not vibing. It's a vibe with no vibes.

Fashion show with no fashions, honestly. She has a little bit of like dangerous energy where she seems, she comes on the scene. You know that she's friends with Choray, but you don't really know kind of what her goal is. why she's there. She seems like a little bit messy, a little bit disheveled. I think they're like maybe drunk. It's a little unclear when she shows up if she might already have been drinking. And then she is very reactive and she doesn't have a problem, you know, later in the episode, which I'm sure we'll talk more about Kenya and Marlowe. But when she says in the house meeting, she's like, well, Marlowe, like, I want to apologize for my part.

in it, but you know I was attacked, and some people need to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, she has no qualms about kind of stoking the fire with Drew in this case. And it's like, if I were Drew, I would also be like, I don't want this girl in the house. Who is she? We're on a cast trip. And until three days ago, I had no idea this person was part of the group. And so if I were Drew, I think I would also sort of feel like I didn't sign up to go on the trip with her. You know, I'm good with Kenya now. I can handle my shit with, you know, Sonia or whatever. That seems to have calmed down.

But it's like, who's this wild card that all of a sudden seems to be gunning for me? Like, I understand, even if you don't love Drew or, you know, you think that her shit should be exposed, I definitely understand why she sort of feels hoodwinked a little bit about this woman being on the trip. It also does, you know, there are moments that are like iconic where there's more than one environment of conflict happening at once. Like I think of the Cartagena trip where there were no less than like three different fights happening at that dinner table, which was, it was like a symphony of screaming. It was incredibly well done.

And then I felt a little bit like this episode and this trip, it just felt like Fatoum was so unnecessary and there was already like major conflict happening that I just felt like this is extraneous and it's kind of making stuff feel chaotic in a way that's not helpful to the storyline, which like I don't know how you resolve that. Like, you know, the producers production, they're not a fortune teller. You can't like look into the future and know that this is going to be too much. But also just that it's, it is too much. It's, it is too much. It's, like, I don't want to say too much of a good thing because I don't think the Fatoum stuff is really landing. It just felt in the moment like, wait, we're focusing on, there's this other major

conflict happening. And then there's this other stuff, which just feels so kind of dumb. Like, I don't care enough about the other people. I don't know Fatoum. I don't really care about whatever she's trying to accomplish here, let alone Drew's response, that I'm like, this just feels, It doesn't feel even to whatever else is going on. It felt kind of lopsided. Right. And I think it reminds me a little bit of on the last season of New Jersey, our struggling friend of Tracy, who her strategy of trying to get into the mix was getting in between

Teresa and Joe Gorga and getting involved in that. And it's like that thing of like, no, like sit down. Like we're not talking to you right now. Like there are other things going on. And it's not that I never want to hear from you. It's not that I never want to see you again. It's that like right now there are things that we're trying to deal with. And like you're not in the position to actually get involved. And I mean, let's just talk about it. Like Kenya and Marlowe are obviously the main narrative of what's happening in this episode. And really from start to finish, we never get. any kind of like let up from that. We're at the house. Kenya arrives in the morning. Marlowe is saying that she, you know, please come come see me. I have something to give you. I want to talk to you. Kenya is avoiding her like her life depends on it. Then there's this whole situation in the driveway where they just like Kenya's sitting in the car. It feels like they are like somehow tethered to this house

and are just like incapable of leaving. Like they are just like from the, from the very beginning in the morning, it's like, okay, let's go, let's go. Okay, out to the cars, out to the cars. Okay, now we're standing in the driveway for like two hours. And then somehow we moved to the trampoline in the backyard. And it's like, can we please go somewhere? Like, I'm getting like cabin fever and I'm not even there.

Yeah, it's one of those moments where I obviously there was a very strategic decision not to show producers in that moment. And maybe this is like me asking for things that obviously they dole out very specifically. Like they're very selective with when they break the fourth wall. But obviously what's taking place is Marlow refusing to leave until Kenya leaves and Kenya refusing to leave. And I think it would have been to me selfishly maybe. I would have appreciated seeing a little bit of a moment about that because what

we got while funny with like 30 minutes hour hour and a half later which I appreciated we didn't see we saw them texting like I saw Kenya texting I'm assuming she was texting a producer the entire time being like this I'm not going to do what this person is demanding but that was what was taking place I mean it was Marlow and Kenya refusing to do what the other wanted which led to a breakdown in production it would have been, don't you think it, is it asking too much to get like a little bit of some producer intervention on camera since we know it was absolutely happening throughout off? Yeah, I think that's an interesting point. And obviously people have a lot of different opinions about breaking the fourth wall and how, you know, sparingly that should be done. But in this case,

there is, whether or not you think about it much, there has to be a lot of kind of maneuvering going on. And there's also this idea of, you know, this is when they do group trips on these shows, regardless of what the stated reason for the trip is or like who's hosting the trip, it is a filming event for the whole cast and these people are all at work essentially. And so going back to the last episode, when Kenya shows up at dinner and Marlow is saying, I would like you to stay at the house with us. And if you don't stay at the house, I would like you not to be on the trip. And not to participate in these activities that allegedly she has planned for everyone. And that is obviously, you know, obviously she is saying what she's saying to Kenya.

She wants her to stay in the house, XYZ, but on a, you know, peel back the layer a little bit. And she's saying like, she's kind of trying to do this power move of like, I don't want you to be on the show for this period of time if you're not going to play by these. rules because I've been told that I'm the host of this trip. And when you think about it in the way that now most of these, most or all of these women, their contracts on the shows, they get paid by the episode they appear in. There's also an element of if, so Kenya initially wasn't going to come on the trip or she said she wasn't going to, but then she decided to, obviously. And so, you know, by deciding to come, she's not going to miss any episodes. She's not going to miss any of her

potential money, but then Marlowe is kind of like trying to pull rank and say, well, you're either staying with us, you're not coming on the trip. And we don't say that on the show. But like, if Kenya left after that first dinner and then the trip was hunky dory after that, that might have been two whole episodes that Kenya could potentially be cut out of. And, you know, I don't know everybody's finances, but I don't think anybody wants to be missing episodes. So good. So good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off.

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Work your magic. Absolutely. It reminds me of two moments from New York. One, when Dorinda decided Sonia wasn't coming. to the Berkshers and we got to watch that tension play out because Durinda's saying in the context of their environment, it's only one night, why are you upset? And Sonia's trying to say without saying it, I'm upset you didn't invite me because I'm missing out on cash. And when Bethany had her skinny girl trip to Mexico and there was this like awkward tension, L.O.L around is she going to

invite Ramona? And Ramona finally was like, it's essentially it's a cast trip. I'm coming. Regardless of whether or not you invite me, this is a part of my job. So you might as well accept it, which is what ended up happening with her attending the trip. I mean, there's a little bit of that taking place and also the idea of like when you host a trip, we understand what is happening with Marlowe's life and her storyline. But ultimately, it is a trip in support of our friendship, But it is a trip for this reality show that we're all cast members on. So like how much authority and control do you have on that? That's why this whole thing was so wild to me at a certain point.

Because does Marlow have the authorization to say, if you don't stay in the house, you're not on it? Like that was the tension to me of like, are you allowed to say that to it genuinely? Like to a cast member? At what point does production get involved and say she's, you know, we want. to be on this. I don't know. It's kind of weird. Right. Because if she's not staying at the house, of course, there are little, you know, filming moments that she's going to miss out on. You know, she might not be there for breakfast or, you know, if something goes down late at night. Of course, production would probably rather she's with the group the whole time. But if they can't have that,

I'm sure the second best option would be Kenya is still there for the meals and the activities and stuff. And so for Marlowe to kind of, you know, she's trying to like call the blog. a little bit and say like you can just leave and and then of course at the end of the episode in an even bigger way when she pulls the plug on the trip entirely and says I've called cars for you. Everybody's going home. Thank you. Please leave the house. Again with the production element, you kind of have to wonder it's like did she get this approved? Like did somebody sign off on this? Is production now scrambling? Because they thought they would get a whole other episode out of this trip. It's a little bit like when you think about the sort of implications and ramifications with

filming and with production and with, you know, episodes and things like that, it's like, oh, this is, it's a dramatic moment. And I think there is value in that that it's like, oh, when you're kind of putting on your housewives report card, it's like, oh, that was a pretty major move that she just like kicked everyone off the trip. But then if production is looking at it, they might be like, she kind of ruined our plans. Like, I'm sure they have a game plan of like, okay, you're doing this activity, this dinner. She mentioned something about going to a winery. It's like they had a whole, you know, production maps out kind of all the events and stuff. And it's like, oh, well, okay, I guess we're only getting, I mean, they really only got, yeah, I guess two episodes out of this trip,

but I'm sure they were planning on more. Yeah. And I think that Marlowe mentioned either on the episode or on the after show that like she stayed she stayed with her makeup artist for two nights which I was like okay did anybody film that or was it production just being like okay enjoy the rest of your trip in the mountains we'll see you when you're back in Atlanta I mean that was a fascinating discovery I suppose or reveal yeah and you know Marlow obviously she's been on the show for a long time but she is a first season official house wife. So that's the kind of thing that makes me a little nervous, not necessarily like I'm not personally nervous, but like thinking about, you know, whether somebody gets brought back or something.

It's like, if you're seen as difficult for production or that you're, you know, stopping them from what they have planned, it's like that probably isn't the best. But, well, I mean, whatever. I still, I thought this episode was very compelling. It just was obviously it didn't go. nothing went to plan. And I understand why Marlowe was upset about that, but I also, it felt like she kind of, she like bailed out on the trip, basically. And I, I would have been interested to see how it would have gone if they stuck with it. I mean, but also know that I think Kenya did a very successful job of provoking her. Like there are aspects of this where like, yes, did Marlowe say things and threaten Kenya in terms of not allowing her to participate? Yes. Does Kenya have very much? Yes. Does Kenya have

valid reason to not want to play into this energy and vibe. Yes. Is it though still Marlowe's trip and is there a level of disrespect that's present here that you're just waiting for that person to be not triggered by, but like waiting for that person to participate in? Yes. Like Kenya running around refusing to acknowledge the host when she arrived, refusing to speak to her when Marlowe was being perfectly respectful at that point during this last episode and then waiting for this person's voice to get elevated and then saying, I'm not going to talk to you when you talk to me like this, which is the result of you pushing their buttons. I mean, I don't know that anybody comes out of here a winner when it comes to like whose behavior can you 100% defend when it comes to the two of them,

you know? Oh, absolutely. I mean, we've talked more about Marlowe. so far in this conversation, but I certainly think Kenya knew what she was doing. Absolutely. It was kind of like a mess with the bull, get the horns thing with Marlowe in this episode. And I think Kenya is one of those people where when she decides she wants to play that game with you, she is happy to do it all day. It was one thing when she went into the house and she was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll talk to Marlowe when I'm ready.

Like, you know, okay, she is, you know, they're not on great terms. But when it became clear that she really just was not going to give Marlowe an inch in that in giving her the conversation she wanted or even really acknowledging her presence or, you know, giving her the time of day, that's like, yeah, like, what did you think was going to happen? And it could have been, honestly, a lot more explosive than it was. We got, when they were going out to the driveway, we got, you know, a little moment of the kind of nasty back and forth where, you know, Kenya's talking about her abandoning the kids and, you know, Marlowe's talking about her butt. And of course, because we can't have an argument without somebody saying like Kenya's like inflatable booty and she calls her trash.

But I mean, given the way Kenya was treating Marlo, it's like it could have gotten even nastier. And it ended up just being kind of this weird like cold war in the house for the rest of that day of like, you know, the two hours in the driveway still is just like getting to me. And then even when Marlowe's like, I'm not getting on the trampoline until after the devil gets off, it's like, what are we supposed to do here? Like I almost wish they would just like fight. And then I don't know. I don't know what I want from them at this point. But I like that Sonia is leaning into her like baby bone carrier role a little bit. I actually called it from because I interviewed Sonia before the season premiere had even aired.

and I had watched the premiere, and I asked her if she was, like, going to be a bone carrier in training because of the way she handled that first lay archive, I can't even pronounce it because it's spelled wrong, lay archive, when the women were talking about all the issues they had with Marlowe's event planning, and then Sonia kind of goes and tells her, I was like, I see that little glimmer in her, and lo and behold, I'm not the only one. But I liked that she was kind of moving the plot along by, you know, talking to Kenya and sort of getting what she had to say and then reporting back to Marlowe. I'm like, we need somebody to do it. And, you know, Drew weirdly is now sort of team Kenya and, you know, Marlow and Candy are having their issues.

So I'm like, I like that Sonia is kind of taking up the mantle of like, I like both of y'all. So I'm just trying to like find a way of like, get in there, girl. Get messy. Yeah, it felt like she was both. the Marlowe whisperer and a Marlowe translator. And I think that that was like important because there was an obvious significant stalemate that was happening. I just wonder when it comes to Kenya, like, does she ever admit to being the provocateur here where we understand more about her feeling and her confessional when she talked about how Marlowe's treatment of her reminded her of Mark's

treatment of her, which I thought was like a very interesting and understandable dynamic and perspective, but also just because you see glimpses of that person, you are actively trying to elevate this situation pointing toward conflict. So like, I get you feeling disrespected. I get you feeling triggered. I get you feeling like you don't want to play a part of this environment, but you are actively raising the temperature here. And I don't know that she's willing to accept that, like connect those dots. Yeah, when she made that comment, it did definitely, like, it's a bold statement, you know, because we saw how much that relationship with Mark really messed with her mind and the way she, her self-esteem and all of that stuff. I think it's the

kind of thing where maybe the feelings that she's having as a result are relatable or are comparable or like some of the specific treatment, but I don't think the overall situations are really the same at all. It's like this is, you know, I think we can all probably agree that Mark was kind of a piece of shit in their relationship at least. And, you know, I don't think necessarily, I think that with the Marlow, there's a lot more give and take and they're, you know, both kind of to blame. Ready to soundtrack your summer? With Red Bull Summer all day play, you choose a playlist that fits your summer vibe the best. Are you a festival fanatic? a deep end DJ, a road dog, or a trail mixer.

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of show. What do you think would be happening on Atlanta this season if Porsche was still there? Like, I feel like it could just be even more toxic and explosive. Like, I can't imagine Porsche like in this house. I mean, it's one of those questions. It's such an interesting question. And also, like, whose side would, I would think, like, whose side would Porsche be on? I genuinely don't know. Who side do you think that? Is that bad? That, like, I actually don't know when it comes to, like, that's what we need. I mean, I'm already thinking to. next season now. This Girls Trip, it sounds like she was cast kind of as a last minute replacement, but also, holy shit, it's such a prestige addition to the cast. It could be like a backdoor

entry to rejoining Atlanta, which seems incredibly likely in the next couple seasons. I know. Her last minute casting on Girls Trip, if as we was reported, she was a replacement for Tinsley, Right. It's so interesting because obviously, you know, I like Tinsley a lot. I would have been excited to see her on this show. But, I mean, Portia really is up there in that sort of top tier of housewives, both for her contributions to the show, but also I think for her notoriety and, you know, fan follower. I mean, she has, you know, close. I think she is like the second most followers on Instagram of any real housewife after Canada.

Andy. She had a spin-off that, you know, say what you will, but I think it did okay. She is a housewife that is not kind of like a random filler housewife. She really is a brand name housewife who has a track record and has a lot of fans and a lot of, you know, iconic moments. And so for her to be kind of like the last minute replacement, it's like, well, damn, they kind of trade it up. I mean, I like Tinsley, like I said, but in the pantheon of Housewives, Portia is certainly on another level. Yeah, I mean, it felt like the theme was like frenemies or friends, like a besties, but like I don't totally understand what's happening with Whitney and Heather Gay. So like, I don't even know how that dynamic will work.

But like, that appeared to be the theme. And then you put Portia in there, I guess paired with Leah if Tinsley was the person who was replaced. And it's just like the dynamic is going to be so wild because first season was like all stars. Second season was quasi castoffs, ex-wives, many of whom were angling to return to the show. Third season seemed to be like alliances friendships. But then with Portia, it's like, are we just going to watch eight? And I'm happy to do whatever.

But like eight episodes of like Heather and Whitney losing their shit that they get to film with Porsche. Like, it's going to be so lock-sided. It's usually kind of evenly cast. And this, it's like you have a superstar in the pantheon of Housewives with like people from Salt Lake, which is totally fine. It's just going to be, it's going to be an interesting energy maybe. I guess you're right. In this cast, I pretty much like everyone. There's nobody on this cast that I'm like dreading, seeing again on TV or think they are really out of left field casting.

decision, but there aren't any, there isn't anyone else in the cast that I would say is like as all-star-ish as Porsche. Totally. And so it's, it's, I mean, even just from like a length of time on the show, you like, Giselle, I guess is the next closest one, but like, you know, it's not really comparable. It is interesting, you say that like in these last couple of girls trips, everyone was like somewhat on an even playing field. And this time it is. is interesting, but also you have on this girls trip three, you have a lot of current housewives. And then you have Portia who left the show.

I think, you know, as far as we know left the show by choice, she still has been on Bravo with her spin-off and stuff. And then Leah, who's kind of in this no man's land of whatever's happening with Roney. And it's like, okay, so what is the angle here? because with girls trip, not with girls trip, with ex-wives club, it clearly does feel like for at least half of the women there, they would very much like to be back on a show, their old show, whatever, some, they're, you know, it's the thirsty girls. But with this season three, it's like most of these women are, have, I think, pretty good job security. So it's like, does Portia want to come back to housewives? We'll see. I think she seems to sort of still be in a position, I would guess, where like, if she wants, to it'll happen at some point, but I also don't know if she wants to. I think she probably wants to. And I think, you know, I didn't watch her spin-off, but I heard it was like pretty tough. Like pretty tough. It was rough. I didn't watch all of it, but I watched enough and I heard enough that it's like,

I think most people when they have a spinoff like that, you assume that they're kind of going to be the hero, the fan favorite, the protagonist. And I think with Porsches, it's not necessarily that she looked bad on it, but it was just like, it was messy. And it was, you know, people were all of a sudden sort of seeing Dennis's side of things or like, that Dennis didn't seem like such a bad guy. And then there's all this weirdness with what happened with Simon and, you know, obviously Porsche loves Simon and she wants us to love Simon. Simon is this great guy, but they're just just like a little bit of something off that people feel. So I think with Portia, it's like, she still is iconic. She still has a huge fan base. of this stuff, but like, I think she had a little bit of a tricky last season on Housewives, and then she had this spinoff that wasn't a slam dunk for her. And so it is a little bit like, not that much time has passed since she was the fan favorite, but going into this season of girls trip, there is a little bit of a question mark there more than I would say with somebody like Alexia, came back on Miami, I think is like a total, you know, everybody loves Alexia.

She's like a queen. You know, people, I think for the most part are, you know, still like Heather gay. Giselle is like the legend of Potomac. I think there's, you know, with Portia, she's in an interesting spot. And I'm curious to see how, I mean, we're probably not going to see this season of girls trip until like forever. Who knows next February. But, um, I know. I want it now. I want it literally now. I want it next week. They just finished, right? Didn't they finish filming? I want it now. They've been, I don't know if they're done, done. But they've been, yeah, they've been filming. We've gotten, we got a group TikTok that Leah was abscessing. from. We don't know why, but I don't know. I'm excited, though. I'm ready. I'm ready. I wonder what the,

you know, there's been some conversation around the energy between Portia and Candice because Portia was firmly on Monique's side and how she was kind of describing and reacting and with Giselle and reacting to like what was going on on Potomac. And I'm curious, I would love to see everybody. I mean, honestly, like, the vibe is really interesting when everybody gets along. And, like, sure, can there be, like, a little bit of tension and unpacking this stuff? Absolutely. But I also think, like, you know, I don't know. I love that energy from season one where it was just, like, people having fun and still having conflict, but having fun. Yeah. Well, with Giselle, there also was the thing, like, she and Portia were on chat room together. So they, and that was people talked about it then that

Portia had was like BFFs with Monique and what would the dynamic be there? Because obviously they were, you know, spending a lot of, you know, they weren't like in the same room together with chat room, but they were having conversations and stuff. And I think that will be, I'm sure that will come up. But we saw with season two, I think they did a really good job of kind of bringing up everyone's shit. And, you know, aside from Fadro wiggling out of having to talk about her departure from Atlanta, we, I think we, I think we did get a lot of conversations that we either had been waiting a long time to have or we didn't realize that we needed them. Like the Brandy and Taylor stuff, I thought it was super interesting. Jill and Dorinda talking through their stuff, hearing, you know, Vicky and Tamara and, you know,

hearing all of them kind of talk about their feelings about not, no longer being housewives. I think that was a strong point of season two. And I'm, I'm curious to see with season three, like, what areas we can explore. Like, are we going to talk about Jen Shaw? Are we going to talk about, you know, Leah's feelings on the whole Roney shake up and kind of being left out in the cold by this solution they've decided. Like, I'm interested by the possibilities there. I love that. And I have a question for you.

Who do you think is more likely to return to housewives first? Portia to Atlanta or Dhabia or Dalia? Or neither. Okay. So I think at this point, Fadra going to Dubai to me seems like more of. of a real possibility than Fajar going to Atlanta. I will say that. I know she mentioned that in some interview she did recently,

where she kind of was like, I don't know if I would go back to Atlanta, but like Dubai, honey, maybe. Like, I think that seems to be, it seems logical to me. And also I think Dubai this season, like, I've enjoyed it enough, but I think they could maybe use a little bit of a boost

if they're going into season two. And I think casting Fadra would get a lot of people to watch. that maybe have fallen off this first season. I think the thing with Vajra versus Portia, I think if they offered Fadra a contract to do Dubai tomorrow, I think she would say yes. Whereas with Portia, I think it's likely that they would want her to come back sometime in the next two or three years.

But I think there would be sort of like a Bethany type of situation. I think there would be a little bit more negotiating, playing hard to get, do I want to come back? Can you afford me? You know, there would be a little bit more of that game going on, whereas, like, I think Porsche would, I think Porsche would sign the contract. You think Fajra would sign the contract with less questions asked. So I think that's where I'm out with that. Can I ask you a sidebar question while we're quasi talking about Dubai? You and I had the pleasure of going to the Dubai premiere at the Lamborghini Showroom, which I'll never get over. So she, Just full circle.

Very sheiks. They love me. And I think we... The she kissed. And I think that we both had like a pretty positive reaction to Caroline Brooks in that premiere, not to like, but I think we did. What's your, what's your feeling on, on good old Caroline Brooks these days? On, on, now that we've seen many episodes of Dubai, it feels like we've seen hundreds,

but I think it's been like six, whatever it's been. What's your sense of things with? Caroline Brooks right now. I think Caroline Brooks still, I think she has all of the ingredients of being a great housewife and an iconic housewife. You know, like I think she is that package. That scene with Sarah at her house and her friends from Boston, I think really was a side of her that we hadn't seen before. I don't know if that's how she gets with any regularity or if that was a filming thing. But that was very to me reminiscent of some of Jen Shaw's explosive moments on the first, especially on the first season of Salt Lake, we just saw her kind of like flip a switch and like it was like the rage machine.

And so, you know, with seeing that side of her, I'm like, I'm not immediately like, oh, I don't like this woman. I wish she wasn't on my TV. But I do hope that we can get to the bottom of that a little bit more and get a little bit more background on like, was there some, you know, circumstance of that night specifically that triggered her so much or, you know, is for people that have known her for longer, like, does this kind of thing just like happen with her? But overall, I mean, I still think, I still think she's entertaining. I still think she's giving us a lot and she's a good, I think she's like a good kind of narrator type

of person. I like hearing her thoughts on the other women in the group. Yeah, so I mean, I'm like, maybe I have a little bit of trepidation about just being like, we stand Caroline Brooks, but like I'm not like anti, if that makes sense. No, it does. It feels a little bit like she's giving off a little, I think this is something that you and I have talked about on Andy Scrolls before, but like there's a little bit of a second season housewife energy to Caroline that she's giving me a little bit right now where it's like you have so much fan favor that then you triple down.

on it in a way that can be a little confusing, but they're on the first season of an entirely new franchise. So, like, I don't know that that's really playing out well. Yeah. It's a little bit like Leah McSweeney's second season energy where it was like everybody was telling her she was amazing and then it kind of like unraveled a little bit, but it's only been like seven episodes. But I don't know. I'm curious to see what happens with Dubai. I'm interested to see what their reunion vibe is like because I think the season has lost a little bit of momentum, whether or not that's deserved. And I'm curious to see if they can kind of put together a reunion with enough, you know, enough kind of going on to get people kind of like sucked back in. Because I could,

I think they've been very active on social media as the season has been airing. It's clear that some of these feuds or tensions that we've seen on the show have, if anything, gotten more, you know, more intense or more toxic in the time since filming happened. So I definitely am looking forward to seeing their reunion, which I think they're taping pretty soon. But yeah, I think, I imagine that Bravo will give this show a second season because it kind of seems like, why wouldn't they? You know, that seems, it's not really their MO to just like,

do a one-season housewives thing and then let it die. So yeah, I think most of these women will probably be back for season two. Maybe we'll get Fadra and, you know, we'll be cooking with gas. Do you think that Caroline Stamberry should be back versus will she? I don't know. I think honestly, like, it's more likely that she would leave than that she would be let go. Yeah, absolutely. Like, I don't think she should be fired.

I don't think she's had the best season. Like I think she has not given us everything that we were like excited to get from her. But at the same time, it's like, it's a first season thing. And this season is pretty short. And obviously there was a certain amount of, I think, you know, by the time they started filming, really she was probably in wedding mode for a lot of the time. And that is like a, you know, I think it's a tough thing. And there was a lot of pressure on her.

But yeah, I mean, I don't think they should like. I don't think they need to do like a casting overhaul. I think maybe like, you know, add one or two people, you know, if somebody, maybe somebody won't want to come back. But yeah, whatever. Yeah, I think just like a little refresh. Just a little, just a little refresh. Right. Maybe Nina.

I don't know about Nina. Like, I don't know. Maybe just like a teeny tiny, a little juzh. A little juzh. A little jush. A little trip to beauty lab and laser and they'll be good to go. 100%. And literally, quite literally.

Would love to see it. Oh my gosh. Well, Sarah, this has been just lovely. Tell everyone where they can listen to you, find you, follow you, all of that, all of that stuff. Well, I host the Housewives Psychology Podcast and these girls, which we like to call a mix of C-SPAN and IMA Fix My Life. You can listen to that twice a week, wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts, new episodes come out on Tuesdays and Saturdays.

And you can follow me on Instagram at Dame Galley. I do a lot of deep dives of my thoughts while watching The Housewives, which is quite literally never live. And a lot of other quizzes and, you know, getting people's thoughts on all things, franchises, psych and Bravo and so much more. So follow me on IG at Dame Galley. Absolutely. Go do that. Thank you, Sarah. Always a pleasure.

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