Mention It All - Who Won The Miami Reunion? Ft. Milly Tamarez (RHOM Reunion, RHOC)

Episode Date: March 10, 2022

Dylan is joined by Betches Sup co-host Milly Tamarez, who shares how women of color were her window into the world of Real Housewives. Then, they break down the conclusion of the Miami reunion, and pick apart who came out on top in the various feuds. Later, they pivot to OC, and debate whether they’d rather attend Heather’s NYC trip or Shannon’s cooking party. Finally, Milly finishes things off with a hot take concerning the group’s handling of Noella’s divorce drama. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Dylan Hafer. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer. And today I am so excited to be joined by a comedian, a writer, a co-host of the Betches sup podcast, Millie Tameras. Elise Morales. Oh, no, Millie Tameris.

Yes. Hi, Dylan. How are you? You know, I am doing so well. I'm glad we could finally find room for you. I know a couple weeks ago, you got bumped. I got bumped. I got bumped. Who bumped me, though? For the one and only, Heather DeBrow, after weeks and weeks of scheduling, you know, you're finally here and I couldn't be happier. I'm, you know, whatever, fine. If it's, if it's Miss Heather, I'll deal with it. But, you know, I, I, um, certainly, you know, when that happened to me, I'm like, you know, maybe Nuella's not wrong. We will, we will get to Noella and Heather, trust me. I wanted, I haven't gotten a chance to talk that much about Bravo with you in the past. So I want to get a little background for both myself and our listeners. What was your introduction? to the Bravo world. What did you first watch and kind of how did you get into it? Huh. I think, so my friends have all loved real housewives. My friend does a real housewife where people like pick a housewife and then they do like a Broadway kind of musical song. You know, so my friend does Durinda and does like the ladies who lunch and he does it like very drunk. So I got like that introduction. But then, you know, my roommate kind of,

pre-pandemic at a roommate who would watch Atlanta and then a podcast that I love would always talk about Atlanta so I felt like proficiency wise I would kind of like just kind of skim or whatever and then during the pandemic that's when I really dove deep and now I watch every single fucking franchise which I never thought was possible it always happens like that it's like okay I hear a lot about this I'll give it a try and the next thing you know you're watching like four new episodes a week it's like this is my entire life well I will say that it does, like me getting into it aligns with it getting more diverse. Like, I would only watch Atlanta. Then I only watch Potomac. Then, oh, Salt Lake City. Let me see what's up with this.

Oh, New York has a black woman on. Let me get, you know, so like that actually made me interested. And then honestly, Nuella got me interested in. Let me see what Real Housewives of OC is about. I love that perspective, though, because there's way too many, let's just say white people who are like, I love New York. I love New Jersey. I love Beverly Hills. And they're like, I don't know. I couldn't get into Atlanta.

And let me tell you, Atlanta is the truth. Atlanta is the way. It is so good. And I just don't understand people who are like, no, not for me. It's very obvious. It's like when people are like, oh, I love Will Ferrell movies. Oh, but I hate bridesmaids. And it's like, it's the same kind of humor.

It's the same kind of thing, almost even amped up because it's a completely different perspective. whereas like the will, you know, it's that kind of same thing. It's like, oh, no, you just have a problem with women. Or like, oh, you might just not like feel like you can align with people of color, which is like, and black women, which is crazy because it's like, it is more of whatever Bravo is because it's a different perspective and it's something new and even fresher that we don't get a lot on mainstream TV. So, yeah. At New Jersey, I haven't gotten in New Jersey yet, like, because I'm like,

I'm waiting for, I'm like, when are they going to get an Indian housewife? Because are you kidding me? New Jersey? Or like a Puerto Rican one or a Cuban one? But like, seriously, New Jersey, especially where they are? That's a, there's a bunch of Indian women, rich Indian women there too that are probably just as messy as Teresa and all of that. And I'm waiting for it.

I know. It's like if they put in the work for casting, they would find the people that you're looking for. It's just like, you know, maybe, uh, maybe. maybe they haven't gotten to Jersey yet. We'll see how that goes. That's one thing I've loved about Miami coming back is I feel like it has such a fresh and, you know, varied group of women both, you know, culturally, racially, you know, background. There's just so much going on within that group. And I think that really brings a lot of exciting different layers to the cast. I think so, too. And it's like, yeah, like, again, you said age and all of that. Different

careers too. Like, I'm not going to hate on a woman for getting on the show and using the platform to leverage whatever skincare brand or whatever. But it is cool to see women who actually have a career already or our housewives like Julia and like just have completely different things. But it's cool to see Gertie like, oh, I'm going to organize this. This is what we're doing. This is like the logistical stuff, you know? Like I think that's interesting and dynamic. you know, versus, you know, just a bunch of women who are like, oh, I'm doing a skincare line shoe. And, you know, there's nothing wrong with that, but it's more exciting. It's exciting for me to see even Heather with in beauty lab stuff.

Like talk about those logistics and stuff like that and balance that. Yeah, we've definitely had women on the show where it's like, I'm an event planner and they plan one event for the show a year maybe. And it's like, no, that's for somebody like Gertie, that's her main gig. And she's out here doing it. If you follow her on social media, you're constantly seeing these lavish parties that she's, that's her whole thing. It's like Housewives is like an extra bonus for her. Whereas for some of these people, it's like, okay, like your little business venture for

the show is cute, but it's, it's different. And I will just say, I didn't, it wasn't until Succession, which is not probable, but like, Succession. Succession had this one really crazy party last year was a, or last season with Kendall's birthday. and then HBO did a podcast about, and basically they interviewed like a party planner for really rich people. And yeah, like, and that really opened my mind of like, holy shit, like being a party planner for rich people is insane because they have completely unrealistic request and they have

insane timelines and it's high pressure, high stress and you can charge up the ass for all this stuff. But it's like just not practical. You know what I mean? So it's like, that is a cool, interesting job. It's not just like during parties, but it's like really telling rich people know sometimes, but mostly no. Well, even the whole storyline with Alexia's wedding this season on Real House Lives of Miami, they're looking at venues when the season starts, which is supposed to be like three months before the wedding date.

And it's like, that's unrealistic to begin with. And then by the time they finally do nail down a venue, it's like one month in advance. And it's like, what world are you living in? People are booking their wedding venues like two years ahead of time. especially with COVID, like all the weddings that got canceled, got rescheduled, all the people that are getting married now, all this stuff. And like, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I was team Todd.

Like, it's your third wedding, honey, alope, keep it cute, whatever. Have a party at some point, but don't, you don't have to do this whole thing. And then especially with her mom, that was so sad. Jesus. I know. It was heartbreaking. But I totally am with you. Go get married.

Have the party when you're filming for next season. so we can get all the all the like after drama but I I thought the Miami reunion was really great. I thought they all brought it. It was very entertaining. I love that it was two parts. That was all we needed. Yeah, just too, Andy. Don't be crazy.

Don't be crazy. I honestly think with Salt Lake, if Mary had shown up, they would have given it four parts. And I'm like, you know, we don't need it. We don't. Well, if Mary would have showed up, four parts would have been interesting because, well, you know what? I will say, okay, love is blinded their reunion. And what kind of bothered me, or I got used to the bravo cadence of reunions where it's like, we're going to bring up a topic.

Here's a package so you know what we're talking about. So everyone's aligned of every conversation that happened. And then now we can ask you questions about it. And then we're watching the reactions. With the love is blind reunion and, you know, whatever, it's a different show with a different premise. but that was something that was like, oh, they try to pack it all in and it's like, fuck, I would really like to watch the footage of what you're talking about to be reminded. And I'm like, that is also probably probably and they also don't have commercials.

But like that is probably also what is like takes it four parts is just reminding us all the shady conversations that happened. That's true. And I think especially with Housewives where the shows come out one week at a time on Salt Lake, it's stuff that happened four months ago that we watched in November and it's like, no, no, no, I'd like to know exactly what was said, especially because a lot of the time these women conveniently massaged the truth of where they're like, no, I didn't say that. And then it's like, okay, let's roll the footage of you saying exactly that. Like, that happens with Larsa when she's like,

no, I didn't, I didn't know, like, you're, you're twisting words in my mouth. And it's like, okay, play the clip. No, you said it. Yeah, exactly. And then I know that they don't make them watch, Like, they can't obviously pull every package in, in person for them on live, like, when they're doing the reunion. But, like, watching it back, it is so satisfying to be like, no, you said it. All new drinks are now at McDonald's with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refresher. And the mango pineapple refresher with popping boba to crafted sodas like the Sprite berry blast with berry flavors and cold foam. Who knew? cold drinks could be so fire. Try them all now at McDonald's. Refreshers contain caffeine. Copyright

2026, the Coca-Cola Company. Sprite is a registered trademark of the Coca-Cola Company. I want to hear your thoughts a little bit about Larsa and Adriana because at the reunion, obviously, I feel like they kind of have the cattyest dynamic between anyone in the group. The whole thing about Kanye, Adriana is kind of just picking and picking and picking. And finally at the end, she apologizes. is like, look, if you really don't want me to talk about it, I won't talk about it, which it's like, okay, girl, we could have gotten to this point. Yeah, exactly. Six episodes ago.

But what do you think about Larsa and Adriana? And do you feel like you're on a side in that argument? Or do you just think they need to get over it? I felt like, initially with Adriana, I was like, girl, shut up. Like, obviously she doesn't want to talk about it and stuff. But then how Larsa responded. And like, it did bring out, like, it wasn't. really about Kanye. It is about a general attitude that I do, like after it was brought up,

like I do see like, oh yeah, Larsa kind of does think she's better than everyone else. Like even Julia saying, like, you don't even follow me in Instagram, which is, which sounds so dumb, but it's like, that's something that really bothers me, especially with like coworkers and people and shit like that. It's just like, why don't you follow me on Instagram? And especially somebody like Larsa, who has millions of followers, like, it doesn't fucking bother. Like, it wouldn't impact your life greatly to have your ratio be like one person more. But she's just, she is like this whole presence thing. And then it also, like, I think because she's gotten so much surgery, I forget that she's in her 40s,

which is still like, the way that she behaves and carries herself is that of a woman in her late to mid-20s. So there's nothing wrong with that, but that is something that I, and like, yeah, like, just whole thing of, like, being obsessed with likes and followers and stuff in that, like, that deep into the game. And it's really interesting. I think for a whole, on a whole, it's really interesting, like, what moralityes every woman has.

Because, yeah, Alexia is, like, really hating on only fans in a way that makes me uncomfortable and it feels slut-shamey. But then she's like, she's had, you know, she's defending her son who's like, beat the shit out of his girlfriend, allegedly. And a homeless man. And then also, like, is, has gotten married three times and all this shit, right? And then, like, Larsa, you know, is on only fan selling pictures of her feet, whatever. But she's like, oh, I don't do nudes.

And also, how dare you have a kid out of wedlock? And it's just like, what the fuck are you talking? And then, you know, yeah, Adriana is like. like, oh, I'm going to flash my titties in front of, you know, a bunch of fucking people, be butt-ass naked, only fans is wrong. And also, I won't have sex with the guy for four months. It's like, what is, everyone's all crazy? Yeah, there was a moment in the second part of the reunion when they were talking about

Alexia's dynamic with Todd and her kids. And Larsa kind of chimed in and she was like, she's like, well, you know, now that you and Todd are married, like, he's the man of the family. and so you have to go along with him and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And like, along those lines, which reminded me of her, you know, kids out of wedlock thing, she clearly has this idea of, you know, traditional marriage being kind of the way to go. And that's like the one sort of right way to do it, which, I mean, it's funny because she's now divorced. But it's like, it's funny that Larsa still feels like not only is she the queen be within the group,

but she also has this sort of high horse of morality where it's like, now that you're a married woman, you better listen to your husband. And it's like, Alexia has all of this stuff like swirling around in her life. And so I'm sure she respects Todd and wants to take his opinion into consideration because she cares about him and thinks highly of him. But it's like, she doesn't suddenly have to like bow down to this man in her life. And it's weird for Larsa to kind of like, that onto Alexia, especially then when she's like talking about, she's talking shit about Adriana. The whole Instagram follow thing is so stupid because, you know, so Julia brings that up and then notice there's a lot of back and forth in this group about did somebody say something

or is it being made up with Marisol and Nicole. But Larso's an idiot, but I'll continue. But Larsa shit talking their Instagram, Nicole instantly. corroborates that what Julia is saying. She's like, you called her Instagram's toilet paper. And like, it seems pretty clear that Larsa did make a comment about their social media presence not being worthy of her. And it's like, at the end of the day, there's like six of you that are on this show together. The least you can do is like follow each other on Instagram. Follow and mute. You know what it is, is that like, um, somebody says, Ray Sani, who like, I love and she has such great opinions.

Like, I, but it's like, Larsa's just, the word that she uses dumb. I would say a little bit more nuanced is self-aware because how are you going to say that like, oh yeah, you need to like bow to your husband and this traditional out of wedlock shit when like you just said like you were in a marriage and you were miserable. You had no goals of your own. You had no aspirations. There was nothing about you. You were just following this guy and it made you completely unhappy.

And that's why at 40-something, you're starting over and you're doing all the things that like somebody would do in their 20s and in their 30s of like casually dating, going on vacation, starting your own business. Like, yeah, this is what people do instead. But it's like you have these markers of success. which is being married and having children and stuff, which is fine. But then also you realize that you were unhappy in that and you didn't like that. So you broke through and now you're doing your own thing.

But then are hating other women for not. There's just like not a self-awareness, a self-reflection. It is like this queen bee kind of situation. And it's just like completely unwarranted. So that's like what I kind of feel about Larsa. And that's why I do feel. like in a lot of ways she is you know 25 you know kind of stunted to where she when she the age she was when she got married which was 21 and it's like you know what the fuck you know did you

know what 21 like I didn't know shit at 21 I barely know shit at redacted age at the age I am now which is not 21 but also redacted yeah I feel like sort of the flip side of the coin of what Larsa's going through is Gina on Orange County where she She similarly got married young to her college sweetheart, sort of had this ideal life that she thought she wanted of the kids, the husband, not working, and that fell apart. And it feels like she really has gotten her shit together, but is kind of just putting her head down and, you know, figuring out what she wants, where it feels like Larsa is kind of like, you know, has this sort of aloof attitude about it, whereas Gina, I don't know, I feel like

she's a little more humble about it. Gina's annoying in a different way, but yes, in terms of that, like, yeah, she, yeah, she's figured it out and all that stuff. But, yeah, that's not, that's not what I find annoying about Gina. So I will, I do agree with you that she has figured it out. And it's just like everybody is doing their own thing, figuring their shit out. It's hard for women, especially, like, you know, that, you know, you know, Gina's like closer to my age but like or I don't know how genius like 36 or something.

Yeah. Yeah. So like I feel you know because I have sisters that that are the age of Larsa now, you know, like 40 in their 40s and stuff and it's like this weird period of time where it's like, you know, you either go on two paths and like there's not really much conversation about, you know, trying to do it both or whatever. So like there's all these women that are reckoning, you know, with this. And like, if she had outward conversations that were like, she does kind of get there.

You know, she's almost there. She's like, I was unhappy. Now I'm doing my thing. Now I'm open to who I'm dating and all that stuff. Like, it's like she almost gets there. But she doesn't like have the wherewithal, the self-awareness, the introspection to be like, oh, maybe other people are going through this too. And maybe I should not be as judgmental.

And also like, she's a fucking idiot because Marisol was clearly talking shit trying to start something and Larsa took that and ran with it and then said something even more insulting than whatever, you know, Nicole. And yeah, Marisol's like a fucking idiot. Like, don't even get me started on that. Yeah, because I'm just like, I mean, I don't know if you want to get started on because I will go in. I think Marisol is, I think Marisol is very entertaining, but I also think she likes to start the fire and then kind of run away and be like, what? Who did that? It's just, I hate what it's so obvious. And they take no responsibility. and then they try to flip it on.

And that, like, that whole situation made me love Nicole because Nicole is calling it for, like, really directly, like, you're just bored. And, like, even your own friend. And, like, first of all, it took me a minute to get into Miami because it is trigger warrant, like triggering for me to hear what people talk like that because I grew up in South Florida. And all the, like, mean girls in my high school were, like, Cubans. So, I mean, it wasn't necessarily like the queen B of the school was Regina George kind of thing. But like all the annoying preppy girls that played tennis and more sweaters around and like kind of would always like have Republican views in school. Like we're in high school and they're talking about how great George Bush is. Like all those girls are like also super Cuban.

So they're like, bro, I swear my life. And I'm like, oh my fucking God. When I heard that, I'm like, I can't. But yeah, no, I think Mary's soul obviously had a, you know, but like it's just immature shit. It's just like, yo, I don't, she could have even be like, yo, I don't like how you're talking to my fucking friend and you need to watch it. But instead of that, she's like doing. And then what are the accusations, right? It's like, oh, I'm just like before.

So what is your really like get, let's get down to it. Before Nicole actually hung out with these women, she had a different opinion that. was negative. And then she hung out with them and then it was positive. It's like, oh, that's being fake. And it's like, I think that's just being a human being. Right. That's like Larsa is a public figure with millions of followers on Instagram. And maybe you saw that and had a concept about it. And you hadn't met her or spent time with her. I mean, I feel like we all do that. That's kind of what social media is. Like anybody that I follow on social media that I don't know personally, I have preconceived notions about them.

And it's like, it's one thing to say like, hey, I heard you said this. Let's talk about it. But to make it such a thing of like, well, I don't trust Nicole because you know what I heard that she was calling Larsa a whore. And it's like, okay, but you know, like maybe if those words came out of her mouth, great, let's talk about it. Let's unpack it. Why that would be a connotation of somebody being on.

Only fans are posting bikini picks, but like, I feel like Marisol was weirdly trying to like cancel Nicole out of this group for like something that she had in her mind. And it's like, no, it's not, that's not as like damning of evidence as you want it to be. Also, like, I think the upsetting thing or like the thing that kind of made me turn on Larsa a little bit was like, Nicole had the most nuanced understanding and like explanation of only fans and was really going going out of her way to like try to explain it to the other ladies and the people who had closed minds about it were Alexia you know and being like Nicole's like I had those notions too and then I investigated and I saw this and I really think it's great and then for Larson

to be like well I would never have a kid out of wedlock it's just like you're a fucking idiot and you have no critical thinking skills um you know so whatever. But yeah, Marisol, like, Marisol starting that shit is just so corny. And then even, but, and then it's just corny too of like, you just started shit to start shit. Like, you don't even care about resolving it because she came, Nicole came up to her like, hey, I really want to resolve this and squash it. And all Marisol did was like, oh, blah, blah, blah, like trying to say memeable.

And I just think that's so corny. Like, I think it's just. It's the same thing that I don't like about Wendy from Potomac. Who else is like, yeah, like kind of Lisa a little bit, but I like Lisa a little bit more. But it's like you're doing things to like be memeable. You're not acting like a real person. She's like, you're mistaking me for someone who gives a fuck. Yeah.

And it's like you would never say that to another human being. You're just saying that because you're on TV and that's corny. Right. And at the end of the day, Marisol was kind of the instigator in that conflict. She was the one who said, you know, I heard you said all this stuff. I don't trust Nicole. So it's like, if you truly didn't give a shit, you wouldn't have brought it up in the first place. So it kind of falls flat in that way where it's like, you can say that all you want, but the role footage on you like giving a shit yesterday.

Yeah. And also like at and like at the bachelor party, she brought it up again. she was like oh well you're complaining and crying to everybody that we're not hanging out she's like no I'm not like it's like you're the one that brought it up at dinner like Nicole doesn't care and also I go back and forth on like like the Kanye argument is like um like the Kanye argument is something I just hate when people manufacture drama I'm like I don't think you need that I think that you know Adriana being a bitch about Gertie's thing is like a real

That wasn't manufactured Like she probably actually was jealous And like the foot massage You know I just don't think we need to like Make up or you know Instigate shit I think that's corny Ready to soundtrack your summer With Red Bull Summer All Day Play

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But in OC Shannon's having the story. this cooking party. And I have to say, I feel like every time I feel, I feel like every time Shannon has an event or a party or something, it feels like everybody wishes they were somewhere a little cooler. They're like, they're like, okay, like Shannon's having the cooking party and we were invited on the New York trip. So I guess we have to go. But like none of us actually want to cook and none of us really care about Shannon that much. Well, I don't have the context of many, many seasons. but I'll just say like Emily's annoying because she Emily is like instigating. I think Emily's and it's just like I hope she gets called out because I think Shannon will say something mild or do something mild and then Emily will go back to Gina and then Gina will say something and then Emily will go back to Shannon.

And it's like but she's like that was Noella too which I don't really fucking appreciate either. I have so many thoughts about Emily. But I will say that when they showed like, the split screen. I'm like, I'm sorry. I'd rather be in Shannon's house, getting drunk,

eating and cooking and jumping in a pool than being with Heather's bitch-ass mom, who's like really rude to fucking waitstaff. That's like embarrassing for me. That was so humiliating for me as like somebody who's worked in the service industry to see how Heather, Heather's mom was talking to that weight staff. It wasn't like the worst and I know whatever berating.

And like obviously that comes from like, some kind of anxieties or something like that. But I'm just like, yeah, no, I think I'd rather be in Heather's house like with my tints out swimming with the dog. You know, it is funny. Like, Heather's whole thing is kind of being aloof and, you know, fancier than the rest of the women. And seeing her mom, it's like her mom is the only person in the world that could make

Heather look chill, you know, because. Yeah. You're used to seeing Heather be the one who is kind of a little over the top. And then her mom is like, no, actually, this is how you set the table. Please don't do it wrong again. And it's like, oh my God, can you not? I can't imagine. It's one thing being like particular about your food, but about the fork being put in the wrong place.

Like, go home. Eat at home. Yeah. It really did remind me of Gilded Age. Like I watched Gilded Age. I watched episode six, which is like the English people. placewear and I'm like oh god like no one's like this anymore and then I watch real house where's O.C and I'm like uh-uh this bitch is asking for English service in America. I don't think so honey.

But yeah, I think yeah and it's just like I don't know. I kind of feel it's it's really weird with OC because I feel like I go back and forth because I'm like I can see that a Nuella can be annoying, but it is also like she's just a little slightly annoying or something and she has a good reason to be like and then everyone just takes that and like jumps down her throat and it really is just, I'm sorry I can't see it any other way, but like a bunch of white women yelling at one woman of color and like I think that what really bothered me this week was that when Jen was like Ryan brought up, like, moving out and stuff. And then Noella was like, look, I'm going to keep it real with you.

I was caught off guard with my divorce. You got to, like, protect yourself. And then Emily, like, jumped down her throat and was like, how dare you? No one's talking about that. And all the other women are like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then literally the next episode, Ryan, you know, Jen was like, oh, Ryan wants to, like, me to put some properties under his name. And then Emily's like, wow, he's probably preparing for.

divorce. And it's just like, bitch, that was what Noel was saying. It's like, you're so fucking blinded by your own shit that you can't even see that. Yeah, I do feel like there have been moments in this season where I feel like Noella's divorce is a little bit much. But then compare that to Jen's situation, which is, I think, just less, there's not as much going on. It's like, oh, maybe they're splitting up. Maybe they're not. They're arguing whatever. But there's no, like you have to acknowledge that whatever Noella is going through is way more dramatic and way more intense. And her husband is literally is like ghosting her and cut off the credit cards and all of this stuff. And so it's funny that the assumption is that we're going to spend

all this time talking about Jen and her husband like, I don't know, not having good conversations with each other. But the, but then the group is also kind of like, Noella, we're sick of hearing about what you're going through, like, it's too much. Yeah, it's just like, girl, this woman is not even bringing that drama. Like, she's not bringing, that's why I feel like I would want to see a little bit of a real housewives draft because there's some people who are like, like, Noella and Atlanta, come on now. She would do, I don't know, because I was talking to Ray Sonny about it and she's like,

I don't think they would like her crying, but I'm like, but like, if you, if you plop her into Potomac or Atlanta or even New York, like what she's going through and with the other ladies, they wouldn't like be so, because I feel like it's a topic of cum. It's like no one wants to talk about Noella's divorce. It's too much. It's annoying. But then also every time they're together, like Heather's like, can you believe she asked, like, it was, it's really fucked up for Heather to be like annoyed at Noella for asking

for cold tequila when her mom's being a bitch to service worker. two episodes later. And it's like, these women are so like done with Noah, you know, whatever. Yeah. And I'm just like,

wish that they could draft her to see. Because I'm like, is Noelle really a problem or are you guys just like, can't stand? I don't know. But I think about that too with Mary all the time. I'm like, Mary would not last one episode,

one party, one barbecue in Atlanta. Right. At the reunion last week when they were talking about how everybody kind of didn't want to go too hard on her because they're like, oh, well, like, we know how to deal with Mary. And it's like, right, but you're not extending that same grace to anyone else. And like, with Noahella, it feels like maybe she's not really clicking with the cast that well, or like, she's not forming close friendships. So they all feel like, okay, I put in my time. I, like, went to

her house and had one conversation. And now I don't want to hear about her divorce anymore. But, like, that's still the storyline of what's happening in her life. And so it feels like we've kind of given up on really handling that as a group. And then we're all talking about Jen, which is like, but also I'm like, I don't know, Jen, your bitch to your husband. Like, you're bitch to your husband. I don't know what you want anyone to do about it. This episode is brought to you by Prime.

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Just watching her get, you know, wasted under the table while everybody there was just like, uh, is the stick okay? We're having dinner with her wine and like this bitch got sloshed. She's like, no, heavy pour. Fill it up all the way. And it's like, okay, girl, what is going on? And then, yeah, I'm just kind of like, you know, I'm in a place now where I'm dating around. And it's really hard to date, like, intentionally of like, who do you want to be your partner? And like, what kind of life do you envision and stuff?

And it's really, it's obviously much easier to be like, oh, this guy's hot, whatever. He wants to get with me. I want to get with him. And that's it. And then we'll build a life and we'll figure it out. Like, but then it's just because it's easier to do that, but it's harder to be like, does this person's like values align with mine? Do we see things the same way? And I think that I'm watching the result of people who don't have conversations with people before they get married. Don't talk this out. And like, I can't think of a clear example than Jen and Rhine where it's like, yeah, how do we communicate? Like all this stuff. Like you need to kind of figure that out before you just. get with someone like that. Right. And Emily's like, people get divorced too easy. I'm always a fan of staying like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, convincing her not to get a divorce. And it's like,

okay, but based on what in her, like, what do you know about her relationship that makes you think that it's working or worth working on? Because I feel like every episode that we've seen them together, I have never gotten like one inkling of like, oh yeah, no, I think it's, I see the spark there. They just need to work on it. It's like, I don't, I don't get it. at all. Yeah. No, I'm like, no, I'm just like, oh, they're not compatible. They just need, this needed to be like a one night stand or like a casual thing for three months. And then they're like stuck married. Because I'm like, she could also be. And like, that's also, Emily's insecurity. Like, what are you going to do, date some of these douchebags? But I'm like, I don't know.

Look at Shannon. Like, Shannon is someone who's like, dated someone else, like, got divorced way. later dated someone else and like is working all fine and they have similar interest and like look at them on the boat and like they're happy you know what i mean yeah jeena has a new man they seem happy like it's it's not impossible it's not impossible yeah exactly like you can find someone a little bit more compatible with you like and then he can find somebody who's like never wears a top either there's just better people for both of them If they don't want to work on themselves and like compromise and find the middle ground, which it kind of doesn't seem like they want to do.

She doesn't want to like work less. She doesn't, she wants everything to stay the same except for Ryan to change. And then Ryan wants everything to stay the same except he wants her to change or like acknowledge him more and it's just not going to happen. So it's like they can both be happy, not changing and just finding somebody else. Right. I would just say for Ryan, being equal financial partners doesn't just mean your name is on

the house in Hawaii. it would mean also contributing financially. Well, I get what he's, well, I'm like, he's a house husband. He's with all them damn kids. He knows all their appointments. He's doing all that shit. And like, he's kind of like, okay, well, when we get divorced, what am I going to get? You know?

And yeah, like, I kind of get, you know, in the same way of like, look at Larsa. Like, Larsa got half of everything because she was a, you know, stay at home mom didn't do shit, you know, for 20. years or whatever. So in that way, I'm like, yeah, I mean, that's just kind of why I got annoyed at people getting annoyed at Noella because I'm like, Noella's asking the right questions. This motherfucker is trying to find a way out. And yeah, like, he needs to be on half and shit. And you need to start prepping for those conversations too. But yeah, it just really, it's also like, so background about me, I grew up in South Florida and I went to college in Orange County, California. I'm watching these and like the mindsets that these women have.

I'm like, yeah, this is why I don't go. This is why I hated South Florida. This is why I hated Orange County. Because not much going on there in terms of mental. I mean, if there was the real hostas of St. Louis, I would be, I would have to watch it like through my fingers. I would be so, I would be so horrified. It would be like, what was that like racist ball that Ellie Kemper? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. No, they go. Every episode would be revealing some kind of, like, clan. So, me and, you know, oh, man, there'd be an entire episode, like, arguing about whether St. Louis is the South or not. South or Midwest, because I've heard both. It's Midwest. No, because Caleb Heron said that it's the, you know, it's very contestant. He's from Missouri, I think, yeah.

Oh, weird. I didn't know that. I had a whole, I had a whole debate on, like, at a Thanksgiving, I'm like, is Missouri the South or not? And then I put it on Twitter, like, just like a poll thinking like five people were going to vote. And then Caleb retweeted it. And like, there was a really contentious discussion. And it's like, okay, some people believe Midwest. Anyway, Real Housewives of St. Louis would be interesting.

They, I know from through like a friend of a friend, somebody who's who I know their like parents got reached. out to about it way back in the day, but it never went anywhere. I don't know. Andy, it's where Andy's from. So I guess maybe it's like too close to home for him. He doesn't want like hometown housewives. I don't know. I didn't know that he was from St. Louis. Yeah, we went to rival high schools actually. Oh my God. So you guys are married. No, I told him that once when I met him and he was unimpressed. Oh, wow. Millie, thank you so much for joining us.

You'll have to come back soon. But for now, tell everyone where they can follow you, listen to you, all of that stuff. Yes, I host the Betches a podcast twice a week or co-host. So please listen to that. You can find me on Twitter at Millie Tamaris, M-I-L-L-Y-T-A-M-A-R-E-Z, or on Instagram at Millie underscore Tameras. Thank you so much for having me, Dylan. This was so fun.

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