Middle-aged opinion - It’s not all about you, devil boy!

Episode Date: November 13, 2024

Today, we’re back to am I the devil where we talk about stories of suicide, termination of a pregnancy ,cheating and many more horrific stories from am I the devil it really goes to show there is no level. Humans will not go two. We hope you enjoy the episode. Please subscribe and follow along. Ellie and Emily xx

Wow. What do you think of that? What don't you think of that? I think that girl has got everything that she needs. Why were we wearing hats? I mean... Of all the things we were doing, I don't know why we had hats on. That's what I'm saying. I don't even know why it was a question, if I'm honest.

Honestly, I don't know. i don't even know why it was a question if i'm honest honestly i don't know i don't know i don't know um mate have you been down the rabbit on on tiktok recently down the rabbit hole no right so let me let me update you there was a woman who found a rolled up carpet in her garden underneath a blood tree. Did you send it to me? Maybe. I haven't watched anything. I think I've got over 30 odd ones from you. That's rude.

And open. It's like a waste of my time. No, it's not. I'll get there. Right, so then, long story short. In her garden? In her garden.

She was digging out a blood tree, I believe it was, something like that. A blood tree? Yeah. What's a blood tree i believe it was something like that yeah i don't know apparently really expensive okay so anyway she's digging they find a rolled up carpet that was a big hole she gets a bit nervous because it is a full like it's weird so anyway she rings the police because everyone on tiktok's like ring the place she rings the police and um they're like no no they come and have a look but no further investigation then she gets another phone call from a different police department or what department or whatever it is in America

who then bring cadaver dogs both sit down signifying there's something in the carpet right yeah which surely they would have known anyway because the police have already looked yeah but they only you can only see like the end of the carpet bit not what was in the carpet she was just like why is there a carpet buried in the garden so anyway so you're saying they didn't even look they just went they didn't dig it up or anything why don't know so anyway the dog signified there was something going on. Dogs sit. Next thing you know, everybody's out.

It's taped off. They've got tents up. Turns out it's just a carpet. But because both dogs signified, they're going to take the carpet and test the carpet. Because they're like, why would the dogs, obviously. So it could have been a nosebleed years ago and they've just buried the carpet to save taking it to the dump or whatever it is in america that they pay for the trash not really sure so yeah that's that so then then the other rabbit hole i mean is there's some woman who's chronically ill she's got ellis dallas syndrome and uh everyone's saying she's faking

it she's saying she's paralyzed but there are like videos of her like walking sick like moving this that and the other so i'm in that rabbit hole at the minute and i don't know if she's actually really ill or she's doing it for gifts yeah okay so tiktok is like that's what i said to you like when we went live that time i was like we need to switch off gifts mate i don't want to be one of those people no it's not ultimately what we're doing no i'd rather i'd rather put videos out and earn money from people watching the videos than be a beggar i don I want to be a beggar. So, yeah, man, that's the rabbit hole I'm in.

That door, man. Yeah. Got us last time. Yeah. Which shakes all the doors. Right. What do you want to start with? Mine or yours?

Yours. I feel quite organised. Good, I'm not. Right. yours yours feel quite organized good on right so we're gonna start with am I the devil no I don't know why I've gone into saved I can't even show you did I send you a picture I don't know the block and there's there was a child at school this week who made me really happy right she's like myself so do you like my big blue whale she showed me a double page that she'd drawn yeah show me it she me it. And then there's this big green fish looking thing.

Right. I'm like, blue whale? She's like, yeah. And I'm like, blue? Yeah. So I don't know if this kid is colour blind. Sounds like the kid's colour blind. Or there just wasn't a blue pencil. Right.

But she was so proud of it. And I just thought, I love that. I'll take a picture of it and show you. You're a twat. Being proper makes me happy. I don't have the same passion for children as you. Because I was like, oh, it's not fair. Maybe she is, maybe you should do a colour test.

Next door. Oh, I don't like your neighbours. They make me so paranoid. So noisy. They make me paranoid. I was like, what is that? It's like someone's tapping on the window. So did I, I thought it was Harry. I'm like, why do you call me a twat? Yeah. He thinks it was Harry. I'm like, why do you think it's Harry? A twat. Yeah. He thinks it's funny.

So, when I got to Alpha yesterday at uni, I, um, went in, wasn't bad, wasn't bad,

um, changed his bed, took his towels, like, done all his washing, that, saved him some money, um,

checked, and he's still by dates and everything, because obviously he's down this weekend met his floor like there's five on this on the same bit that share the same bit met one of them i don't know if there's more or not she's always going sorry sorry what are you enjoying yourself you're shouting sorry and then i think i'm well fucking now. Do you know that?

Yeah. I couldn't hear her. What? What? Good time. Poor girl. Are you having fun? And then I said to her, listen, if he does anything that annoys you, just tell him.

I'll tell your mum. Yeah. I go there. She's like, excuse me. Sorry. Can you write it? Can you write it down for me? Okay.

Yeah, back up tomorrow. Another four-hour round trip. Have you actually seen him since he's been home? Yeah, I see him yesterday for a couple of hours. I mean, he must have come in here about ten times. And every time he walks in, he goes, oh, I found something. Which I then respond with oh where was it every single time it's like a thing and uh came came out annoyed the animals constantly that's another thing he does picks them all up puts them down like it's constant then he went

to the concert yeet and he's like apparently because you know i've never been to a concert but apparently at the concert they all punch each other he called it something and he's like apparently because you know I've never been to a concert but apparently at the concert they all punch each other well he called it something and I was like I don't get it and he's like oh it's just something that we do and then yeah I don't get it either but apparently it's what you do at those kind of concerts and I was like okay that's strange I was like I don't ever want to go to a concert because if someone punches me there's gonna be a fight yeah i'm gonna get a bit upset yeah it's gonna be a fight okay but apparently those type of concerts it's like a type of thing not like punch hard but it's like a thing oh listen i don't know he's trying to explain it like this is my face the whole time

yeah so i have no idea oh so did he have fun he had a great time apparently great time apparently there were four people together that were dressed as spider-man so that made him happy so because they were doing a dance thing in the middle I don't know the little things the little things but yeah so uh's friend obviously he's gone up back up to uni Sheffield and yeah it's all it's all a bit sad but great at the same time I won't see him for a month now no after tomorrow that's it for a whole entire month. You're right. Harry's pricing up a job for us today, I believe. And what else was there going on in my life? I feel like that's it.

Nothing else been going on with you? I go to work, I come home. You go to work, you come home. Had a really good night's sleep the other night what are you doing today just shopping we're not shopping taking a whole load of shit back yeah um i said that i might fly by helen's on the way home but otherwise well yesterday once the boys finally went to their dad's I cleaned which I didn't feel like I'd done for ages so I done their room hallway kind of the front room so I just oh in the bathroom but I need to do the kitchen in my room so I'll probably do that tonight and I've got baby shower tomorrow oh who's baby shower? My cousin, Nora. Oh, first, second, third? First.

Sweet. Boy, girl? Girl. Sweet. But I'm picking mum up and I think picking Jen up. So. And then done. Where is it?

Crawley. Isn't that where we did? Yes. Have you looked at the prices? No. What are you thinking after Christmas? I reckon it's going to drop just before Christmas. Yeah. Like when I booked. Yeah, just keep an eye on it. I think that's awful. I haven't looked, to be honest. No, I haven't looked.

Literally, you were like, let's do it. And then I was like, fuck's sake. I got the same. I got a bit worried because I was like, it Christmas do you know what I mean let me have a quick look tough right now maybe we just ask for it for our birthdays yeah I feel like nobody's getting you that for my birthday it's gonna be a no I've got no one to get that for me me neither anyone want to clap together yeah anything what should we put it on the girl group i know we generally don't buy each other birthday presents i would really like though should have done it for our 40th i actually do want to do it let's not let me load in i do want to do it let me try on there

so i eventually washed my um my whole kit that i had on for tough mudder eventually i put mine straight in there and i'll wash it twice i chucked it in didn't quite realize i'd put it on a 90 degree wash oh yeah my trainers did not come back in one piece i bet they didn't why would you put your trainers on a 90 degree i don't even know i. I didn't even realise it was on a 90. I just knew that I'd put it on a high spin. That means you can't even wear them for next year. Like, the sole came off. You're so funny.

Like, because it had the foamy stuff. They basically pinged off. Yeah, it's, uh... Why are you doing the face off? Because I don't know. Hold on. I've hit midlands. I said we're not we're not going i don't know why i hit midlands right may i was like that's weird i don't remember that 12 hour event oh it's only it's gone up by five pounds we would have saved a fiver i'm i'm not upset yeah yeah I'm not even upset now.

I think, let's keep an eye. If we get 30%, I'd be happy with. That's disgusting. It's really bad, isn't it? Can you imagine had we a book? Exactly. My eyebrow would be just like that. Come on now, Tough Mudder.

Yeah, that's slightly embarrassing. Come on now. Right, should's like embarrassing come on now right should we get into it okay so what i do here i'm just like and i see my hello okay hello everyone and welcome to middle-aged opinion i'm your host ellie and i'm Emily and I've forgotten what we're doing. Am I the devil? Yes. Today we're looking at am I the devil? We're looking at more than that but yeah. These are all stories from different reddits where people that have read the stories deem them so bad they've been moved over to am I the devil and today so this is my choice today

and then we'll be recording Emily's after but I went out of my way with both subjects that we're recording today to really upset you and uh even though I sometimes enjoy the element of surprise of not reading them through I've enjoyed reading them through. Because it's like rage bait. What? For you. You're going to be really irritated. I haven't even read mine.

I've done my usual, I'm too tired. That do, that do. I like the sound of that. We'll go with that. Yeah. I had time yesterday so I was waiting for Alfie so it was a no brainer

for me but I think I do have one I can't remember if it's in this one or the next one that we're recording

where I do have a trigger warning but that's not a rage bait for you that was just like shocking okay so shall I get kicking

yay okay some of mine are long but like I say I've read through so fingers crossed I'll be all right reading it today okay my boyfriend threatened to break up with me on a Harry Potter marathon night that I planned because he was embarrassed and would rather drink at a club 32 male 39 female yeah even I was like and when I read the story I was like am I going to put this in and I thought it's a bit different I'm gonna put it in because people are actually dying in the world there's all this stuff coming about every icon that we grew up with and looked up to so I thought this is someone's

problem and what a nice problem to have compared to what's going on right okay yesterday was his birthday we both are Harry Potter fans but I'm more into it and he likes golfing and cars more than I do. Yesterday morning I asked him if he wanted to go out somewhere and I told him that I was planning on a surprise night. He didn't ask anything further and left for work. During the evening I'd set the sofa, spread the blankets, arrange the coffee table, fluffed all of the pillows, warmed up the place. I made pizza at home for the first time and made smoothies. I brought all the kind of sweets and made mini Harry Potter like candies with him. I think she means for him.

I had got the idea from those reels and had always told him that I wanted to try it out. He didn't see my messages till 9.30 and arrived at 10pm. What? I'm assuming he was at work. She did say he was at work. We don't know what he does. She doesn't disclose what he does.

10pm? Yeah, I mean, it's time for bed time. It's bed time. Actually, that is an hour wind down on TikTok and then into bed. Because I can't get in. She's just starting. I can't get in. I'm irritated.

Yeah. Where have you been? This wasn't to irritate you, but it irritated me. So I'm glad that it's irritating you. Anyway, he arrived at 10pm. Rude. I didn't mind it much, but told him that I had everything prepared and that we could snuggle up and watch together.

He told me he was tired and didn't want to do it. So I tried requesting him to sit with me for at least one movie. He somehow agreed. He ate the pizza, but didn't try any of the mini candy structures that I made. And then when we were comfortable enough, the broomstick scene comes on. when we were comfortable enough the broomstick scene comes on and I tell him how I used to have a crush on Draco as a kid you know Draco is I know I was like okay um Draco as a kid right he suddenly got up from there and I nearly hit my head on the sofa board. He told me I was embarrassing to still be obsessing over Harry Potter as an adult. Then, and that his friends' girlfriends are more mature than me and actually planning their lives ahead. I don't know how me liking this related to that because

I barely even talk to him about Harry Potter much before he just walked away after he just walked away after that and I let him when I don't come back to sleep he tells me I have horrible taste for even crushing on Tom Felton I hope I said that right and that he looks like a skeleton cow now that hurt me most that he didn't even know his real name what hurt me most was that he didn't even taste the sweets that I made or even lied down with me for at least one hour he didn't even humor her he did not I would have been okay to even change the movie or shut it down and when I tried suggesting he just kept shaking his head he told me to fix my ways before he gets fed up and leaves me for good. He's already cheating on her.

And that he left a real good offer of drinking at the bar with his friends. It's morning and I haven't tried to talk to him. He just left without even looking at me. I might be at fault here for not taking his interest into much consideration. I just thought we would like it because I would show him stuff like that and he always admired it much. I mean, she's making no sense. I feel kind of hurt. The pizza I made was also one of his favourites and he didn't seem uh to show much of it i think she means much appreciation for it i don't know i may be overreacting i don't know if it's right for me to love this series anymore back to harry potter if had been a part of my childhood that i grew up with we've been together for three years now my

boyfriend of three years we're in movie marathon night and I feel hurt okay what do you think sorry how old is he that hit they are male 32 female 29. Yeah, I'm really sorry. He's already got his eyes on someone else. Do you think that's what it is? Yeah. To make a comment about his friends' girlfriends being more mature and got their lives in order, whatever. Yeah.

And all she's doing is having a little bit of fun. I feel like, I'll tell you why it was moved it was moved over um but i feel i actually feel like um it's not about harry potter like you say that there is more going on now the reason she was put in am i the devil is because whoever moved her over said um i've met i made my boyfriend's birthday all about me because what we forgot was that it was his boyfriend so instead of doing something that she thought he would like she arranged his whole entire birthday for something she wanted to do and that is why she was moved over i do think she's immature for a 29 year old not because of harry potter because i love a bit of harry potter i have my stranger things for example i'd

happily have a movie you know fest on stranger things or aliens is another one i would have a pajama party like right i would absolutely would right have a pajama party so i think that this isn't the only instance that she is what i mean by immature is her response to him getting the ump with it do you understand what i'm saying yes i do i do i do do. I think part of it was she wouldn't have a nice night in with him. Yeah. And, yeah, it's supposed to be for his birthday, but actually she's done something that she knew she would enjoy. And just hoped that he would too, because she enjoys it.

But I'm wondering if the problem in the relationship is she is immature in the sense that i mean he's like your your taste sucks and she's like really upset by that she's really upset that he didn't taste their little sweeties these are insignificant things so what else is going on your taste sucks like you are one of her choices, mate. Yeah, of course. Probably looks like he's twin. But my point is, I think... She just sounds very immature. For a 29-year-old female, for me,

the way that she responded to the whole thing gives me teenage vibes. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I don't think she belongs in Am I the Devil. No. No, I don't think she belongs in am i the devil no um no i don't think so and i don't but i perhaps he's working with people and these females are more mature and more and he's like these you know my my friends partners are planning their lives and you're worrying about Harry Potter there's more to it, there's more going

on than what she's put in this story she's saying he's attacked me for planning a movie night but her response her story, the way she told it tells me that it's not about Harry Potter it's something going on every single day, do you know what I'm saying? yeah

I don't think she belongs in that Reddit thread, though. No, she doesn't belong in that Reddit thread and I do reckon that he's probably got his eye on someone else. Yeah. I mean, it is giving... He's picking every fault. Yeah, based on the things he said to her, like that she's immature

or her taste sucks. There's no real need for that based on a movie no I'm Harry Potter I agree though he's not my cup of tea but I do know people that are were obsessed with him in the movie no I do and I'm like really really though they were kids as well so it's even more weird that people know because they grew up with it so being 29 she would have grown up with... Grown up?

Yeah she would have grown up. Grown up. Grown up. She would have grown up. They're roughly the same age, aren't they? I don't know what her problem. Get into bed Mimic. Go on.

Go, go. Bed. Don't be cute. Just the way she backs out. So you tell me she's not... Bed bed do you know what it reminds me of have you ever seen the deep blue sea have you seen the deep blue sea no right it's basically did i not tell you that i'm scared of the sea did you she's so pretty did you not know basically it is about fucking tangent it is about um this woman that is trying to cure alzheimer's

yeah so she injects the brain makes the brain larger and the sharks of course become more intelligent first one's great second one's hilarious i'll tell you about the second one in a minute so anyway um they get more intelligent next thing you know this this shark swims backwards and sharks can't do that all right yeah i've seen that yeah yeah yeah so um that's what that reminds me of when she backs up like that reversing it's because of the way she does it but yeah number two so me and the boys loved number one and then when number two came out we watch it and basically this shark has babies yeah this intelligent shark has babies and um every time the the things going down like sinking more and more they're just sitting there crying and uh alfie's like why are you just sitting there crying get up and run great film we didn't turn it up we watched it all

the way through you don't need to watch it now guys because we now know watch deep blue sea i found that brilliant it's not a horror it's got sharks in it though yeah but it's still not a horror what does it come under thriller i don't know what it comes under shit comes under deep blue sea i enjoyed a lot of people said it was shit, but I liked it. Right, go on. Sorry. Okay. Oh, hang on. Bear with. Bear with. I wasn't ready.

Just scroll down. Maybe I have seen Deep Blue Sea, is it? Excuse me, but there's a big black man in the first one, isn't there? Yes. He is. With a parrot. Yeah, he's the one with the eye patch from all the marvels has he got a parrot yeah no he's the cook yes yes yeah and the shark eats the parrot yeah that was the most upsetting thing about the whole film i was

like that was unnecessary i have seen that one yeah it's a good one um this is not a very nice one okay okay so it's from am i the devil it's got um a little thingy on it saying arsehole from another realm yeah um i've got a feeling we may have definitely gone over some of the same ones oh hang on i've got to find it now oh it got deleted so they put it elsewhere it's really fucking long okay so just bear with oh quite a few of mine are quite long but this is reading helps with that the initial one which has was removed i drove a young woman no i don't know if i want to read it actually well just say trigger warning i know what you're about to say. I saw the title. I didn't save this one. I'm pretty sure.

Go on. Okay, I drove a young woman to suicide and I can't handle the guilt. It did open it. I couldn't find it. It's been removed. So then it got put into Am I the Devil as it almost sounds like he's bragging. Yes, I couldn't. It wouldn't let me.

So someone else has saved it in case the story got deleted or removed. Right. Yeah, I think you should read it. Okay, it's always me that picks these shit ones. No, I do have, I do have a trigger warning. I just can't remember if it's this podcast or the next that we're doing. Okay. So, to start, I want to give some background info on myself and how this situation came to be.

I admit at the start that I am a bad, sick and twisted person. I'm a man in my mid-thirties. I had a traumatic childhood with sexual abuse, neglect and never knew my father. I feel like there's a lot of excuses already. So do I. A lot of people have a lot of excuses. So sorry. My mother was a ghost even when she was present. From a young age I was taken and put into boarding school. Soon after I finished school I ran away and had my first marriage at 18, enjoyed the US military. In the military, I deployed to Afghanistan, experienced combat. After the military, I never really amounted to much. I spent a year or two living in my uh i'm gonna say this wrong mojave desert okay doesn't matter i don't know where it is sorry

doing drugs i tried college on the gi bill but i lacked the organizational organizational and no taking skills to pass i'd either get a's or outright fail classes i work part-time and have 100 disability rating uh from the va for my mental issues okay so they were all excuses okay people who know me well describe me as a good looking confident charismatic and very emotionally intelligent i feel like he just described someone different i feel like he's he's just said i've got real bad mental issues and now he's like I'm hyper intelligent so are you faking this for disability yeah this is what people are describing as okay okay I go to the gym three times a week I put effort into my appearance and like to dress well I'm currently

married this is my fourth marriage fucking hell fucking hell. No judgement. I barely won one. I haven't spent a single day single since I was 17. My wife is a successful person, but we aren't emotionally close. Her primary focus in her life is her career, and we've devolved into a sort of roommate scenario. I have always had trouble staying faithful to every relationship I've had. I cheat in person but sex isn't what I'm really after. I frequently crave the emotional attention of a woman. Knowing that a woman is thinking of me, falling in love or does love me, it gives me a warm,

euphoric feeling that takes away the inner pain and anxiety I constantly feel but never let people see. And for a little while, I feel genuinely happy. That's a bit sad. Anyway. Not at all. There's a lot of people who feel like that, you know. But it's still sad. It's still like an excuse to change.

No, no, it's a sad place to be. Most people feel like that, I can assure you. Like alone, not good enough, not worthy. Anyway, go on. It's very difficult for me to not be like... I have affairs in person fairly often, but the best are the ones online, where emotions and hope for the future can run high.

A type of romance scammer, I I guess except I don't want their money or pin number for their card I want their love their uh adoration the more intense the better I've done this with women from age 18 all the way to age 45 every uh religion or non at all from many different countries and cultures here in the US and far outside it. My current wife is a Muslim though I am not. Through exposure to her and her immediate family I've come to learn a lot about the Islamic religion and I'm naturally curious about things in my proximity. This allows me to convincingly present myself as a Muslim convert. I did this because Muslims don't believe in any form of relationship before marriage. It goes from zero to marriage. Very black and white, very intense.

Thus putting my info up on a Muslim marriage site means the responses I get are from women wanting commitment, love. My profile would describe me as a convert, learning of the religion and seeking a good Muslim woman to settle down with, start a family and complete half my deen. dating site is how I imagine the experience of being an attractive female college student in an urban environment on Tinder to be. Every day more new messages from women, more likes, more favourites. So I talked with them, get to know them, the real them. As my wife is away for work half the week and I barely work, I'd have nothing but time. I'd listen to their hopes, fears and dreams about life. laugh it wouldn't matter it wouldn't matter how silly or mundane their day was I wanted to hear about it I made them feel special heard I figure out their values and convictions and adapt myself to that I'd never make the conversation sexual I wouldn't even broach I wouldn't even broach the topic. Certainly not ask for nudes, as apparently so many men on these sites would do. They'd fall for me.

I'd paint a verbal picture of the life I wanted and how it corresponded to theirs and have them dream about me. They'd fall in love with me, think of me all the time, crave my attention and validation. They'd tell me they loved me, often the first person they'd ever loved. They'd dream of a future with me, talk of the names of our children. Then it would end. I'd give them some reason to believe it wasn't their fault. I'd lose my faith in Islam or get diagnosed with a terminal ill or suddenly admit I'm gay. Whatever I tried to make the landing as soft as possible, but I wrecked the hearts of dozens of women this way. I stopped the marriage sites and online relationships, though continued one or two in-person ones, and started using a mental health forum to try and get some help. It was one of those places, not unlike here on Reddit, where one can vent outwards in an anonymous way, but internal turmoil. I was speaking about my emotional issues and this

woman responded. She responded with a wit and understanding that caught me off guard. and understanding that caught me off guard. Anika, not her real name, was age 18 and a student. She was a geeky, nerdy girl from a middle-class family in Bangladesh. She had struggled with mental health almost all of her life. She struggled with... Oh, I don't know what that word is. Trichotillomania. Okay.

I've definitely said that wrong and I apologise. And self-harm. Often pulling at her hair with... Sorry. Often pulling at her hair when anxious. A physical manifestation of her inner turmoil. We spoke and instantly made a deep connection. We shared a somewhat apathetic and cynical view of life. Soon we were speaking every day, then all day. Made our own Discord server and would spend days speaking on the phone,

playing Left 4 Dead together. She didn't have any friends and felt alienated from her parents. I was the first and only true friend she'd ever had. After a few months, she celebrated her 19th birthday and I sent her a silver necklace that she never took off. If I woke from a nightmare, covered in sweat, thinking I was back in Afghanistan, I could call her and she'd always answer, sing to me, calm me down. She wanted to

be a teacher. She knew she was lucky being middle class and wanted to be a teacher and helped disadvantaged women, girls in Bangladesh get an education. Try and make the world a bit of a better place. I never intended for it to happen but feeling soon happened. Within a few months we were in love with each other and it felt sublime, so good. She was so in love with me and to the point of obsession. She wanted us to be together and I'd say the same. be together and I'd say the same. Though true, the distance between us and her living and being subject to her parents' wishes meant nothing could ever happen. Understand I'm cutting a very long story short here. One day after eight months of us knowing each other she went up to her dad and told him about me was instant was insistent he listened to her and his credit and to his credit he did she told her

father all about me but how i understood and got her that i was religious I was okay with her emotional issues because I had some she accepted. Against my expectations, he said, to paraphrase, he's older but sounds like a good man. Tell him to come to Bangladesh so he and I can spend some time together. If he is as you say he is, you two can get married, provided he supports your finishing university." She was so happy, ecstatic, wild with excitement. I was stunned, never thinking this was stunned never thinking this event eventually would ever come to pass so she bothered me consistently to come to Bangladesh meet her father and then marry her over and over I was paralyzed the walls of deception I'd built were closing in I realized then that I did love her in the deepest ways I'd ever loved anyone but I also knew

that the person she loved wasn't entirely real. I made some excuses about work or whatever but I loved her. I truly did and I had to tell her the truth. I did. I told her about my habits, emotionally scamming women. I told her I'm married. I told her I'm not Muslim. She was betrayed, angry, then silent. Her last message was, my veins are filled with your betrayal. A few days later, her father contacted me, cursing me. She committed suicide, blaming the heartbreak I caused her. She committed suicide, blaming the heartbreak I caused her.

She's outlined it in a letter whose words are painful for me to read, that his only child was gone and it was my fault. I felt nothing at first, but soon it hit. The guilt, the shame, getting worse every day. Thinking of her, remembering her voice, her face, her dreams of a life with me. This sweet innocent young woman snuffed out by my actions. I can't live with the grief. Even now, two years later, it consumes me. My wife knows nothing but notices I've changed. She thinks it's related to my PTSD from the military, but it isn't. It's Annika, knowing she's dead because of me.

Sometimes I try to move past it, try to focus on tomorrow and something else. then the part of me yells at me in my head you groomed manipulated and exploited a young emotionally vulnerable woman for your own emotional satisfaction it's like i'm trapped in a golden knot i don't know what golden knot is you know I miss her but you killed her I want to move on she can't because she's dead because of you the worst part about it is I can't fix it you know death has this awful habit of permanence I can't bring her back there isn't even a crime to answer for had i murdered her i'd go down to the police station immediately and confess everything but i can't if i were told to smother myself in barbecue sauce and jump into a river of piranhas to bring her back from the dead, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment. As I grew up, I was

subject to the wimps of many bad people who hurt and abused me. I swore that when I grew up, I wouldn't be a bad person. I'd be a good person and try to be a counterweight to the bad people, but I am a bad person. I killed the one person who truly loved and understood me and would do anything for me i struggle with living i'd have three suicide attempts in the past two years i don't die it's very long but it's so it's one of those where i go backwards and forwards yeah where i'm like you are a massive piece of shit to he's clearly mentally unwell yeah right but and aware of it but that's it's really difficult because obviously paul has a really bad mental health issue issue from strokes and brain brain actually being removed

and he can be a massive fucking arsehole self-absorbed you know that's all part of the load damage that he's got um but still this one has got ptsd i understand that i got diagnosed with ptsd and um i don't know it just feels like it's about him do you know what i mean like he's he's like oh you're dead. But he constantly finds women, gaslights them, makes them fall in love with him, and then throws them away with a terminal illness. That's awful. Or he's decided he's not Muslim anymore. Or he's gay.

Or he's gay. And he's using the Muslim faith, again, like people who you know, who believe it's Allah, isn't it? You know, this is their belief, this is their belief system, that, you know, they worship God. He's using that against them also. He is the devil.

A massive manipulator. I don't even think... I mean, wouldn't he have had counselling coming out of the army the navy i mean there should be there should be but i mean we all know that you know you can go to these things but if you don't actually want that help if you're not getting what you are looking for out there he said he's been married how many times four four times so i feel like and i know he's like he was sexually abused physically and mentally abused as a child i still don't think that's an excuse if anything you want to make sure that that isn't something that you put out as well sometimes like they say you know one in eight of children

that have grown up being abused physically mentally and sexually will follow the same path so one in eight that's actually a really high number considering how many children go through you know this neglect abuse etc but i feel like he's giving back abuse because it's not that he's sad about it but he wants people to know how he feels about it do you see what i'm saying he wants people he's just to feel the shit is he's feeling in his life people are the best part of themselves bed and then leaving. Yeah. And I don't...

And then those people don't have that left for actually somebody who really does give a shit about them. Yeah. Cookie, I don't believe he's sorry either. I don't believe he's sorry that she's dead. I don't think he's going to stop doing it either. Oh, absolutely not. And he's married to this poor woman who has no idea, who's going to work every day.

He's clearly on disability and he's not, he's probably still, I mean, this is an intention seeking post. I want to know what people said in the comments. I didn't read you the comments from mine because it wasn't, you know, saying everything that we had said. But I want to know what people think and really do. It's not opening now. It doesn't want to go back. Yeah, it's like, no, that was a horrible... Hold on.

So the... So I've gone on to the initial one. Yeah. Where he actually put it on true off my chest. That's where it initially went. Where it came from. Where it's then been deleted. But the first, the top remark on there is,

you keep talking about yourself so people can pity you. What have you actively done to change your ways? So you have clearly learned nothing. You are still making this all about you you've created a trail of victims that you have lied to manipulated made promises to and then instant of being on and then instead of being honest with them, gave them more lies. Their lies costed someone... These lies costed somebody's life. You knew she was emotionally fragile and you continued to dangle that carrot. I happen to agree. Absolute filth.

I happen to agree. Absolute filth. If this is actually real, which I hope it's not, I don't know what to say. Get life insurance for your current wife at least before ending it. So that's another point I wanted to say and it's going to seem like I'm really insensitive. And I don't mean to come across insensitive to anybody, right? But it's really not that difficult to kill yourself, right? And I think three attempts, again, from him personally, I'm not saying from other people, I'm saying from him personally,'m not saying from other people i'm saying from him personally feels to me like attention seeking he probably however he attempted to do what he did i believe that he probably waited till his wife just got home or something like that do you know what i'm saying like he gives me that feeling i'm not saying it like that for everybody because people do generally are

unwell and and want to end it all you know um but i i feel like that is more pity party shit that he's just saying to get more attention from people on reddit when it's actually it's backfired and they're like no actually you're the worst kind of human fucking going. But then I then go back and I'm like, he had a shit childhood. He experienced PTSD in the Navy. Did he say Navy? I can't remember if he said Navy or Army. I mean, it's irrelevant.

He said Army. Okay, yeah. I mean, you know, that's real as well. Like, that's 100% real. Most of them come back with PTSD or see PTSD, which is complex post-traumatic stress disorder. But I still don't see any of them doing shit like that. Do you know what I mean?

So I don't know about this bloke, man, but I feel like if any of this, if people listening to us or are on these websites and any of this sob story comes across from anybody that you've met online dating take it as a warning massive a massive warning that if somebody i i find that a red flag anyway obviously i've been you know i've been married 20 years this year together longer but I find it you know from you

or other people that are still dating you know from their marriage breakdowns or just you get what I'm saying that when you talk about when you talk about men and then they've thrown all this shit on you I find that a red flag like before

when i said to you it's like it's like a red the last one chris oh my god i forgot about do you remember when you saw it were we in bad leagues oh my god when you do date when you do date brilliant you your friends do all give you like oh which one's that casualty crib yeah now he got I mean we see all their their Willie's as well good not his not me I can't be able to him oh okay because he didn't dick because there was no dick pic okay but the ones that did dick pic we didn't care just sent you pictures from a knee he didn't he was very I I completely block that out very peculiar

he ended up telling me that he had this internal illness where he would get pissed I mean the man drunk so he was a piss head but then he'd be throwing up blood and I'm like I think you need to go to the doctor that's not normal

and then he's like no no no I just went to see my sister she's my best friend and then there's like this peculiar relationship with the sister that he would tell me about probably his wife and i was this is very strange and how he deemed his name casuallyualty Chris, because he nearly died ten times. Yes. In the very small time. A lot of the time was when you were going to meet up, wasn't it? Yeah. He almost died then.

He nearly died. And I was like, you know, I'm not forcing you to see me. Then, then... So he moved on. Yeah, definitely moved on. Far moved on. A couple of years later, we went to Butlins, didn't we? It was the last time we were at Butlins.

No, no, no. Time before. When we were superheroes we were superheroes and uh we just you know you're dragging your trolley along and i've looked i'm like oh my god that is casualty chris and we're like fuck off it is it's casualty chris i'm like that fuck we saw him on the saturday that was on the when we first turned up yeah on the fr. And then we lost one of our friends. Yeah. That's what happened, right? Yeah.

There's two of our friends that have the best time of their life. I'm like, I'll get her. I'll get her. Yeah, babe, come on. Who are you talking? Come away. She's like, this is my friend, Chris. And I'm like, no, no.

I told you, Chris, get the fuck away. And she's like, no. Yeah fuck away and she's like no yeah and that was and then the rest of us were like but not oh my god i completely blocked that out but yeah it's definitely from women as well don't i'm not just throwing the minute under the bus here if somebody if you meet someone and within the space of two weeks mate you know their full life story. There's something wrong with that. Yeah. There really something is wrong with that.

Not that, listen, I can't even pretend like I know what it's like to date in the 24th century, yeah? I can't. I've been out of the dating scene for so many fucking years that, you know. Don't start now. It's a long time, right? So now ain't the time when i when i met my husband we met like the old-fashioned normal way you'd go out you meet someone well in fact actually i met paul through my ex-boyfriend because because that's how you met people that's how you met people but i've got a

good story don't hook up with him he might have a better friend so he came he came round i was just sitting on the sofa watching tv he came round and i thought fuck me he's wealthy and then uh he spoke to me and when he gets nervous, his eyebrows shake. They do. They do this little shaky thing. And I thought, wow, I want to sit on his face. That's what I thought. Next thing you know. That's it. Wham, bam, thank you, ma'am.

On his face. And it's a happy ever after. Never look back. Yeah. No, yeah. So it's funny how that's, you met people by being out, didn't you? Whereas now it's. Yeah, it's more than normal yeah it's

just like it's a tough world now if you met someone out like no one actually talks to anyone because you don't know whether they're married i think you don't know whether they're we've been told as a general group we're unapproachable i don't know what that is it's probably when i'm there but i am like the only single one but i am also a resting bitch face resting bitch fat 100 awful whereas i feel like i smile all the time but i've been told i'm scary for some reason i'm like why but i'm clearly putting something out i'm putting something out that I'm not aware of. It's probably a protective thing. So I'm definitely protective over my friends. But a lot of people say we're unapproachable. And I'm not.

I swear we are like the best people ever. Anyone can come and say hi. Ever see us. Yeah, come and join in. I mean, that is the day we're both waiting for, right? We're like, oh my God! I know, yeah. We're like, ah! But, yeah, it's the day we're both waiting for right but um yeah it's funny so yeah my advice is i do feel like he's in the right reddit threads yes i do feel like he's a manipulator and

everything else that goes i believe there's more to him than what he's put there i think it's an easy cop-out to say I was abused as a child I've been in the army I've got all these complex health needs it's really easy to cop out but it's easy for me to say because obviously I live with someone with a legit mental health issue do you know what I mean who's physically and mentally disabled so and I have seen so sometimes when you have a brain injury you can go really happy and you know all of that course might turn into a right miserable fuck but you know and he holds on to things and there's all this stuff going on in his head but still not an arsehole like that

no no no so i mean it can make you that way but he doesn't say he's got a brain injury at the end of the day from my side where i have dated since my marriage i feel like i've met him already it was casually chris i feel like i've met him i feel like we've spoke yeah a couple of times in different forms um i am happy that i am there are a lot there are a lot i often say like to the girls that i would never marry or be in a relationship again if anything happened to myself and my husband like we separated or anything you know ever happened i would never date again i'd have my fun let's not let's not but i would never no it's too much you give yourself a careful you're having fun with

yeah 100 but i just couldn't imagine the effort of it like for me it's the effort of it like watching you go through the effort the investment you know and then you're two years in and you're like okay so now we're starting to talk about how we go forward starting to introduce to your family the children your psychotic friends um and you know you're hoping that all of that goes well and then you're making plans together as a couple only for that person to be an absolute fucking piece of shit and it is just another disappointment and a waste of time and i don't envy you i mean on one hand i got back on that sort of that saddle and i was like actually do you know what i can love again i know who i am you know what? I can love again. I know who I am. I know what I want. But I also allowed for things to happen that I said that I'd never let someone do to me again.

The thing is, I think because you were in a place of, I don't want to be a psycho bitch from my past trauma, I don't want that to affect this relationship. So even though your brain's saying, hold on a minute something ain't right here m's you're pushing that and overlooking that because you're not trying to be psycho bitch do you see what i'm saying it's not my ex it's okay yeah yeah but turns out just another piece of shit that gut feeling just go with it yeah just it's difficult

as well because the thing is as well babe somebody like that can then gaslight you and then you're like oh my god i am a massive psycho bitch um you know and then you've got listen it's i don't envy you i do definitely before you even think about dating again i do think you should date again of course i do but i am going me and jenna are going to sit down for dinner with this person before you're allowed to consider it yeah 100 i can't have it i can't have it and if i don't like him the answer is no you're absolutely not allowed but i because i worry i don't want to keep watching you get hurt i just it just pisses me off so much because you're not carrying any baggage into the next and yet this is why i'm

single yeah not because i'm dreading the sit down meal just yeah i mean i don't envy you i get it i haven't it's too much i mean we're great just me and you doing this yeah yeah i'm good yeah we're all good i'm living my best life this year i've had the best year this year actually we have had a great year this has been such a good year in our friendship group we've had fun we've all turned 40 out yeah we've done stupid shit yeah we're planning stupid shit for next year we started the podcast challenged ourselves i mean we've even stupid shit yeah we're planning stupid shit for next year we started the podcast challenged ourselves i mean we've even won every single time we've even said that if nothing because the the goal would be that we would make a living from the podcast that would be amazing but we have

decided together that even if that is not a reality we're gonna yeah she's definitely a mimic we're going to continue to do the podcast because it's like therapy for us but yeah we have a giggle we do stupid tiktoks we mess about and then we get to talk about other people's shit which then relates to our shit and then we get it off our chest and next thing you know you feel great all week yeah yeah so and then we do stupid things like we're going to sign up for Tough Mudder Infinity and run around in circles for 12 hours. I just don't feel like that's dumb. I feel like that is the way forward.

I feel like I really want to do it. I really want to do it. So we had a look today, Tough Mudder, and it's like £5 more expensive. Had we booked last week, and I'm glad we didn't because you made me feel like it was a big discount. It's a fiver, brother. Yeah. Take the mick out of me mate i mean you can do better let's see a 30 discount 50 50 50 50 i feel like we're worth it i feel like we are worth it i mean we've recorded that we put that all over social media and i just like to point out not that she's going to listen but that the skanky woman who wouldn't let us have the 5k medal yeah you just for us and not we and we

knew you're going to have new medals this year yeah yeah i would just give us the medal i would have given you we did that the other year we didn't get a medal then no because you didn't do this medal got this medal give us both medals although i have to say you've upped the game on the t-shirt i really love my new t-shirt it's so much nicer do you know what as nice as it is it hasn't got the year in it our first one has got i did notice that 2019 and i'm like do you know what this is just such a universal way it's's got no... I can't find my London's Brighton Meadow Weaver. I've put it safe along with my wig. It's safe.

It's safe with your wig. I mean, if you could see, right, so I've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, 20, like, thousand drawers and shit in it somewhere. But it's safe somewhere. So I need to find that, because I am thinking of framing them, and then I'll add my infinity.

We have to do the infinity no matter what. We just need to wait for the deals. For what we do. I like a challenge every year. It's good for the brain bay. Yeah. It's good for the soul. It is good for the soul.

And then when you're doing it, because when we were going through one of the tunnels that was full of stones on our knees, I decided I was going to start an OnlyFans. I haven't yet but i was like i'm not not enjoying myself and uh when i went in the cold water that hurt as well like it literally hurt anyway moving on i loved it i loved it as well it was great it was funny you know some people were cutting it and

i thought why are you cutting corners just do it isn't it yeah i wouldn't like my middle if i cut no we didn't need to no i mean there were times where i wanted to but we didn't we didn't need to we got this because we are badass bad ass living our Living our best life. Go on. Oh damn I'm just looking which one I'm going to do. Okay. I could have done a massage after it like literally they should have been like a man at the end. A man. Crapping me up. I don't think I wanted to be touched at the end. No possibly not not. Like, two hours later after my bath, then a deep tissue massage. No, because after I saw that bath,

I was like, yeah, don't need no one touching me. That's still coming out of me tomorrow. That was disgusting. That was proper rancid. I mean, you bring half the mud home. That was super muddy, though, this year. Although McDonald's was good after. It was good.

I lost all my skin on my fingers as well that was random but i think it's every time i fell or moved something i was like why in the mud everything my hands but i'm wearing gloves next time with grips i don't feel like a coat with it oh no i could i like i prefer it on the bike as well i was wearing gloves now on the bike i do on the bike when I'm riding I always put on gloves. They have to be fit I have proper fitted gloves though. But in my head I'm like oh just like the squidge of it being between the glove and my hand. It's the same it's the same though. Yeah but the mud won't penetrate through the glove just the wet. It will. Make a wheel in there until it's time then it penetrated everywhere it was in me it was inside

me it's real okay i 20 male did something to my fiancee 25 female that i'm now regretting any advice me and my fiancee have been together for almost three years we have a one-year-old and a a little before a year into us dating i found pics on her phone of her ex-boyfriend she said she had never looked at them and just simply didn't clean out her phone when they broke up i didn't think much of it at the time and asked her to delete them which she did but recently I went on her phone and went to google photos and saw that a lot of the pics were saved in there. I confronted her about it and she said she had no idea about them being saved there. saved there the thing is the photos were saved around the same time if not a little after i asked her to delete them off of her app we had an argument but eventually we put it past us

i think i should also mention that a couple of months it until us dating she text her ex a happy birthday text which i which i saw and confronted her about oh okay she said that it she didn't want to big deal out of it but we worked for it as i wasn't exactly the perfect boyfriend at the time either. Anyway, you're going to like this bit. Anyway, I recently did something that I am now regretting. When I saw the happy birthday text, I wrote down his number in my notes just in case it ever happened again so I went to her phone and wrote down his number as the contact name to the phone number of her school which she calls here and there I did that so his number would appear on her call log so no she

never called him but anyways I made it seem like she had been calling him recently and woke her up late at night to confront her about it. She of course denied it because she really didn't call him and I made a big deal out of it even though I knew I was lying. So now I'm in an awkward position I think I just so pissed about the photo being saved to her google photo app that I just wanted another reason to fight with her I really just don't know what to do now that's it that was safe for you yeah yeah he did yeah he did like he did what is wrong with you well he's clearly up to something isn't he why is he looking for fights

what's wrong with you yeah you're going through her phone? Yeah. Clearly, I'm hoping that's because you have a relationship based on trust and there's nothing to worry about. That one's that one. If he did, he wouldn't keep going through her phone, would he? What are you looking for? Evidence of her cheating. So what does that make you think? Because, yeah.

What? Oh, my God. He set her up knowing that she didn't do it so that's very bizarre that's gaslighting massive like massive what the fuck is she still with him she is yeah i mean she must be like i didn't call him so what has he done changed it back the number back to his name from the the name school do you see what i'm saying to then wake her up and be like you've been calling him because obviously she's been calling the school he changed the name because you know like if someone's got

two numbers they're under the same name so he's probably put it there she's obviously ringing the school whatever that means and has she now changed his number out of that no he's now changed his number out of that so it now appears richard and then on her call log it's like he's she's been ringing him right set her up and all he's done is upset himself dickhead weird weird behavior she needs to get out of that so top comment you are a manipulated abusing and gaslighting her you need to come clean immediately and in the same breath tell her that you will start therapy not couples therapy although you should do that as well but therapy for yourself to address your insecurities your post suggests that you have gone through her phone

looking for problems many times this is no way for either of you to live aren't you exhausted being so worried about imaginary problems constantly we all have insecurities but it is unresponsible irrational abusive and scary that you not only came up with such a delusional plan, but followed through with it at some point. It just reminds me of that stupid girl who's like, please help me come up with a lie about what I didn't do. Either you love her, your humanity, your morality, hell, even the fear of getting caught should have stopped you from doing this. What was the goal here? You knew what you were saying was a lie. Did you want to be mad at her for something?

That's not healthy. This is not safe for her. No. He wants to be mad at her because he's fucking up here. Whether that's just all in his own head, fucking up, or whether there's something else going on outside. He belongs in that Reddit thread. Yes.

You are the devil. What is wrong with these people? Do you reckon he's related to the one that I read before about setting up all these women? I love you. What the fuck is wrong with people? You know, we've said this before, yeah. People actually go on the internet write this

story down to reddit read it back to themselves and still don't think that's fucking mental there was nothing wrong with that that for me i'm gonna have a whole bunch of people supporting me here i can tell that for me is like super fucking mental that they're not like, okay. Oh my God, someone said, depending on the circumstances, this is probably a crime. Based on this post, I wouldn't be surprised if he lied about her age to her, his age to her, when they first started going out. She got pregnant, so it was too late to run. Oh, my God. Okay. That's all I've got to say about that.

It's never too late to run. I mean, she must be going out of her mind like that. Poor Lassa. I didn't cheat on him, but I'll just say that I did so we have peace. Yeah, say that he doesn't so we have peace is that no just leave do you reckon that's it is time to go do you reckon this is them this is someone is actually setting you up bizarre it is time to leave it's actually mental mate why would you want your partner to admit they've done something that they haven't done it's so strange people are so

what if she did what if she did go oh my god you've caught me and he'd be like what yeah and what yeah mate i'm telling you people are fucking mental there's so much instability it's for me you read that you read that you read that back to yourself after you wrote that and you were okay and you still don't think you're mental did you not talk to your mates did your mates not say and you're asking this but this is what i'm saying so that girl that we read um that she was like how do i what story can i come up with to tell him yes i did cheat him though i didn't do you reckon that's our other half? No it's just another fucking psychopath just another fucking psychopath and another one and another one it's over to you babe i've got another one or a delulu so it starts off in relationships

um which i 30 male i'm in a two-year relationship with a woman 39 female i was never attracted to oh that's nice yeah so then he got put over into am i the devil yeah um let's hear why headed headed i'm sad so i led my girlfriend on for two years is probably probably the truth of it really isn't right um it got deleted so somebody has put it into the comment bit. In case of that. So I, 30 male, am in a two-year relationship with a woman, 29 female. I was never attracted to. This started about one year after I broke up with my ex-girlfriend after she cheated on me.

I was scared to approach other girls as I was afraid they would do the same to me. Pretty logical. I was sad and lonely. I had always been an insecure person with low self-esteem. This is in no way an excuse, but I just want to lay out my mental state at that time i feel like it's an excuse oh so many excuses i want to know if he falls in love with her that's what i'm waiting to hear i kind of feel like that's kind of me anyway then she came into my life she was a junior in my office we met through a common friend and started talking. She showed interest in me from the get-go. She was the one who initiated most of the conversations. She also flirted with me, to which I replied politely. Eventually, she admitted that she liked me. I have no idea what she saw in me. Me neither.

I'm struggling so far. I wasn't attracted to her unfortunately so I rejected her. Saying that I just got out of a relationship and am not looking for one right now but she took it in a different way. Sometime later when we were hanging out alone she surprised me with a romantic gift i was taken back by this it was at this point of my life that i made one of the biggest mistakes of my life i kissed her whether it was due to loneliness or just the sheer feeling of being loved or just plain horniness I don't know, but I did. After this we became a couple. She of course was very happy. I was however felt very guilty for what I did. I thought about breaking up multiple times during our relationship but wasn't able to do so.

Sometimes there were some engagements. Her father also died during this time so it didn't feel like a right time. Ultimately, I didn't have the courage to leave such a wonderful woman. And now coming to the present, here I am, still in this relationship. I'm not happy and I don't even remember the last time when I was not depressed. She is an angel and I am doing this to her. She is everything that I want in a girl except the looks for me. For if only I was attracted to her, my life would be set. I can't break up with her because I don't want to break her heart. I won't be able to see her cry. I also don't think any other girl

would be interested in me nor should they be. I am a wreck but she deserves to be with someone who loves her as much as she loves him. I can't be with her as I'm not attracted to her. I feel guilty of getting attracted to other women to the point that i don't even look at them now i don't know what i'm going to do what i do know is that whichever option i choose i'm going to regret it later yeah he doesn't love her no because if he did love her he wouldn't even be worried about her looks anymore do you know what i mean he would have grown he would have grown to love her looks does that make sense yeah because you see past it don't you because

yeah loving this some people can be the best fucking people in the world but it's so ugly and so ugly which makes them actually physically ugly because of the way that they are whereas other people who aren't conventionally pretty become beautiful because of the way that they are as a human um i don't know if he belongs on Am I the Devil? Because, yes, he got into the relationship for all the wrong reasons. And he doesn't want to hurt her for all the wrong reasons. But I actually feel for him a little bit. Do you know what I mean? Or you don't at all? Do I feel for him?

Yeah, I do. Do you know what? There is part of me that's like he didn't start off initially he went with it and was like he's just gone with something like i want what he's probably wanted to be a one-night stand but stupidly he's shat where he works and the next thing you knew he was in a relationship with her. That's what I'm saying. But he shat where he ate. He shat where he ate. Because he's done it at work.

Massively. I don't know what to do. I feel like the nicest thing to do is to be honest and separate. Because I think... She deserves better. He's stopping her from moving on and meeting the bad person. And actually having true happiness. It's not going to be nice of course it's not but it's not fair that girl doesn't know what it feels like to be loved back of course yeah she deserves that and

i don't think it's fair to carry on this this fucking rom-com of a betrayal it's awful because you either end up cheating absolutely resenting her or she'll end up having kids and their whole relationship is built on shit it's like get out mate because you're not doing anybody any favors not yourself and certainly not her i don't think he's the devil i don't think he's great but i also don't know if i think he's more of an arsehole than the devil. I mean, there is part of me that feels like I'm sort of swinging it around a little bit. You know, he's come out of a relationship where he's been cheated on. He doesn't feel safe in himself. And maybe she preyed on him a little bit.

I can fix you. How old is she? 29. And he is... There's only a year between them. I i mean maybe she fancied him and went for it he reciprocated yeah next thing you know they're they're like man yeah we'll get through it we'll get through it yeah we'll get through it it's um and he's just like okay you know maybe she is involved in that do you know what i mean but at the same time it's not fair

to her it's really not i mean she's 29 years old at the end of the day. If she wants to settle down and have kids and all that, he really needs to let her go so she can move on and find somebody that is worthy of having her. And there definitely is somebody. Just because he's saying everything but the looks doesn't mean she's not the most beautiful woman in the world. Just not for him.

And that's okay okay but you've taken it too far mate do you know what i mean what's the top comment uh top one is i'm thinking this might be the new type of troll there's been a couple of these popping up recently i don't doubt that this could happen but the fact that so many people are posting at once makes me question it so she don't think it's real okay um there's a couple of comments off of that but they're all a bit like yeah um it's depressing to realize that some people really are that spineless yeah um just everything we've said yeah this guy is a new type of arsehole. He doesn't want to be blamed.

He instead wants to say he was too good to someone and, of course, he shouldn't have been with that bad-looking woman, no matter that she's treated him better than anyone else. That's what I'm saying. I don't think he can win but i also feel like he did it to himself and it's not fair to continue to lead her on to carry on yeah i think that's the ultimate underlining isn't it you need to come out of that yeah you're not in it so move on yeah let her go that's also okay but to be an arsehole and continue to you know build a life together when there is no future

because there isn't because either way she's gonna feel like you stuck with her just because you stuck with it it's just it's not fair no it's not okay you ready to move on so this is my trigger warning one it's quite deep um but it did leave my jaw open a little bit oh really yeah wife 30 female got an abortion after she found out i 30 male cheated need advice urgently so there's more to it than just that title so when i read it i was a bit like shit okay my wife 30 female and i 30 male have been together close to seven years seven year rich she is the most important thing in my life she is slash was four months pregnant with our first child these first three months of the pregnancy have been hell she has been

extremely sick she has had horrible morning sickness mood swings to the point where i started to question whether i married the right person so about a month ago we had some team building dinner at the office where there was plenty of alcohol after the team yeah after the team building one of my co-workers 32 male invited five of us to his place i got very drunk and i made the worst mistake of my life here we go it's the coat excuse me i slept with one of my co-workers lucy 28 female i knew immediately i knew immediately i had made a mistake lucy i i had made a mistake and so in the morning i told her that it was a mistake and that i loved my wife and she cried cried and told her, hey, I'm pregnant. Things have been quiet for that time. The relationship with my wife has gotten better.

The fourth month of pregnancy has been great. She is back to the happy person she was before. Everything changed on Tuesday this week when my wife asked me whether it's true that I slept with Lucy 28 female I admitted it immediately and asked who told her apparently Lucy got in touch with my wife and told her everything I tried to ask for forgiveness but my wife basically told me that she's not interested in anything I have to say, that she needs time and not to talk to her. Yesterday, she went to work as usual and I thought maybe she would forgive me.

Today, Thursday, she works from home. When I woke up at 7am to go to work, she was not at home. She had been sleeping in our spare room I got worried because she was not picking up my calls and so I took time off today about an hour ago her best friend brought her home and immediately left I tried to ask her what's wrong and she just said that I should ask my wife which I did so she basically told me that she is done with our marriage I need to look for a place to live for the next one year as she and I apply for divorce I asked about the child she said that there was that she would give me the address of the hospital where she went and I could go and get the foetus. I tried asking

questions but she told me that she that she is tired and in pain and to leave her alone. That I should tell her when I plan on moving out. I feel sick how do I solve this please? I know that I made a mistake by sleeping with my co-worker but I don't think I can live without my wife. Is there any way to fix this? It hurts because I feel like she aborted the child to get back at me. She didn't want children but I managed to convince her to have one. My wife got an abortion when she found out I cheated. How do I fix our relationship? how do I move on from this

she is done how she described that if you go to the hospital address so you can go and collect the fetus so she was 16 weeks she was fucking done how did you get an abortion at 16 weeks up until when 22 weeks 24 in this country hell mate i mean they would have had their three months scanning everything no she was i'm sorry done she didn't even want to give you the address so you can pick up the fetus. Oh, yeah.

She is over that. What about the fucking ways, like, for the first three months it was hell, all these mood swings and being sick. You have no idea what it takes to grow a fucking baby. Do you know what? Do you know what? Hats off to that woman. I know who I am.

I know what I'm worth. And do you know what what this ain't it yeah yeah she sacrificed having a baby for him and he fucking went and did that do you know what because she had nude swings i'm sorry because she was being sick some women really fucking i really fucking suck i didn't yeah i was very lucky i was was so fucking ill. Not so much mood swings. Mine was just, I was fucking sick all the way through with my second, sick for the first three months with my, I mean sick. But, that's the price you pay.

You're growing a life inside you, mate. And you convinced her to do it. And you went and fucked some some random top comment so you tried to baby trap your wife and then you cheated on her she didn't want kids and agreed to making a pretty big sacrifice for you you don't fix this you allow this poor woman to move on and find a better man absolutely there is no as far as i can see there is no i don't know if to go and see if he's done any other part i mean lucy i don't know what to say about you oh no i never blame you i can't lucy are you a woman's woman here because you slept with a man that you knew was married.

Right. But then had the nerve to let his wife know he was pregnant. Because he wouldn't carry on the affair. Yeah. I mean, that's how it feels to me. I don't feel she's a woman's woman here. She's probably not, but it's still not her responsibility. No, it's not.

No. But what she's done is destroyed another woman. She has, right? And yes what she's done is destroyed another woman she has right and yes she's a bitch for that but she still ain't the bitch no no i i never listen i there are a lot of women who sleep with men in fact some of them it's like a fucking turn on yeah no you're married you're in a relationship you know they then they are it's it's the token isn't it yeah it is i got your man now mate you got my man you can have it it's definitely worth not keeping yeah having but i i don't know why maybe because i've never been in that position i just don't blame the other woman's a fucking

slag i ain't saying she ain't i'm just saying it's all on him he's 100 sacrificed got pregnant decided to go through with having a baby to make him happy and now she's like bitch if you want that fetus go and get it that's why it was a trigger warning because obviously i don't know because it was quite late no no it is a massive of the morning and that i mean that sorry mate you you shat on it yeah yeah i mean i was gobsmacked when i read that i was like mate and good for her for no no uh yeah good for her but you know she's still got to grieve the loss of her baby as well all that she went through and now she's gonna grieve the loss of her baby as well all that she went through and now she's grieve the loss of her marriage her baby her baby and everything lifestyle dream yeah yeah yeah but

she ain't fucking taking none of that shit yeah she ain't laying down yeah right over to you my What's wrong with people? This one's a short one. Yeah. So it started in Am I the Arsehole? As Am I the Arsehole for not attending my sister's wedding because her pridesmaids are exes. I almost picked this one. I did read it though. It then got transferred over to Am I the Devil?

And it says there's one night stands there are one night stands not exits so okay uh also got deleted um but got put in the comments so that we can all read it still yay um i 30 male have a sister 27 female who is getting married soon i was looking forward hold on i'm just i'm gonna just make my writing a bit bigger that's old age yeah that is i'm screaming um i was looking forward to it until i found out that she chose her two best friends as bridesmaids, who also happened to be two women I had one-night stands with. You slept with your little sister's best mates. We know somebody else. What?

From school, he done that. I slept with his little sister's best mates. Yeah, a lot of people do that. I don't think that's a massive big deal, but go on. Not for a one night stand. Anyway, I have nothing against them now, but the history is awkward. I told my sister I was uncomfortable attending the wedding with them in the spotlight as she blew up at me.

And she blew up at me. She said I was being selfish and should put her happiness first i suggested that i could skip the reception to avoid the awkwardness but she insisted that if i'm not there for the whole thing was the sex that good i feel like it weren't i I shouldn't come at all. I just decided not to attend. Okay. Now she's heartbroken and my family is split. Some think I should just get over it whilst others agree with my choice. I'm not the arsehole.

Yeah, mate, I think you're the arsehole, personally. Like, I agree with... They were one-night stands, like... Yeah, he's making it into a massive deal. And he's making it about himself. They were one-night stands, not relationships. I mean, were these girls literally crying, saying, I'm really sorry, I can't be here

because your brother's going to be there was that the best sex of your life I'm trying to understand where the big deal is here no because they're both standing there flicking their hair saying bring him who's walking down the aisle with him I ain't walking down the aisle with him

I don't think it's that deep I think he's making it deep and it's not deep the girls don't give a shit and he's making it deep and it's not deep yeah i feel like it ain't a big deal girls don't give a shit nobody cares making it about himself instead of your sister's well yeah you sound a bit crazy like nobody cares there are people in life that you've slept with and uh you will see them it is what it is stop making random shit into big deals nobody cares except you you're gonna miss your sister's wedding because you fucked a couple of people at the wedding. Get it together, you fucking dickhead.

Top comment? Dude seriously thinks his sister's best friends can't be at her wedding because he fucked them once. Exactly. Get over it. Don't want to worry about running into your one-night stands at family events. Don't fuck your sister's friends.

True story. I mean some people would have thought this through before sleeping with one or more of his sister's best friends. Like, won't this make things awkward in the future? I don't understand what the big deal is still. Oh, yeah. I don't understand why he's crying. Why are you crying? You'd think someone so uncomfortable with the idea of being in the same room as someone he had a one-night stand with would have been smart enough to sleep with someone he wasn't going to have to see again. Yeah. Not his sister's best friends.

You want to get it together. When was the post done? I wouldn't miss your sister's wedding. You'd be in a right twat. Yeah. Yeah, proper twat. Two days ago. Yeah, you're being a twat, right?

I'm not saying you're going to hear this, but if you hear this, don't miss your sister's wedding because you slept with two girls life is full of things that you've done regret whatever you just gotta hold your head up high and get on with it at the end of the day your sister's far more important than two birds that you slept with that probably aren't even thinking the same way as you it's very strange really fucking strange okay are you happy for me to finish us off it's not a massive one are you still reading no okay it's not massive um but never is

that's what she said anyway i thought this was for you as well oh it was rage bait i liked it i 28 male was manipulated into cheating on my wife 28 female how do we move forward through our marriage hey reddit bring on the manipulator i am going through a tough time in my marriage it all started because recently i entered a depression my wife and i both have very demanding jobs recently i had a new project that had me working longer hours and that it would start my depression now I'm going through depression I started confiding in my coworker about how I was feeling I thought I would trust her as a friend but she knew that I was in a vulnerable state she took advantage of my soul no and this led to an affair. Hang on, hang on.

An affair? An affair. Not just like a one-night stand. An affair. The manipulation. He started the affair when he started emotionally cheating. But anyway, my wife found out and was going to counseling Monday. But this month, our marriage is on the ropes.

I've been trying to get her to understand my depression and how long my mental health was but she doesn't want to hear it. Go. I wonder why. Why does she not want to listen to his excuses? I'm confused as well. I can't understand how this is not everybody's fault but his

i'm with him he had nothing to do with it honestly he he was walking he literally walked and this woman clearly fell on his dick every time and as he fell his pants fell down and he landed in the hole because every hole's a girl right yeah but it happened multiple times yeah because he's clumsy like and because he's depressed so um top comment okay well you might want to start by dropping the idea that you were manipulated into this affair i'd like to know how he was manipulated into it oh because she emotionally built trust and then emotionally had an affair you chose to cheat on your wife you made a a conscious decision at some point to get involved with another woman it wasn't the other woman's

it was your fault you are a full grown adult who makes his own decisions your marriage your marriage has exactly zero hope of recovery until you admit to yourself and to her we do have a reply uh from op really let's go on let's hear it at the end of the day at the end of the day i was the one who cheated it is my responsibility yeah uh that doesn't absolve her from taking advantage of someone she knows going through a dark time so he so ready and i you are the devil. And he probably is being put in the subreddit, not because he cheated, but because he was manipulated. It's everyone else's fault. Right.

But this man cannot accept that it's fully his responsibility because he's the one that was in the committed relationship. And then someone said, stop deflecting blame he this man cannot take responsibility for his actions and that's how we're gonna end today we hope you enjoyed I've got two stretches now because the body's old. So we think he's an arsehole and he's in the right Reddit thread. Honestly, what is wrong with you? Your relationship's done because you're a man child. Sick with your affair.

You're a man child. You know, stay in that. Right. And then the next one. You're never going to take responsibility for your behaviour and you're going to continue to be an arsehole till you grow up, which I don't see happening any time soon.

No, no. Just until you die. That's on you. Can't even blame the co-worker because she isn't married in a relationship as far as we know. No. All on you.

Although he was vulnerable. He was vulnerable. Bye-bye, my dar know. No. All on you. Although he was vulnerable. He was vulnerable. But we were vulnerable. Right. Bye-bye, my darlings. Bye. Until next time. Bye.

Wow. What do you think of that? I think. What don't you think of that? I think. That girl has got everything that she needs.