Might Delete Later - Ep 13: Bilal Zafar

Episode Date: September 10, 2020

Gina and Stevie are joined this week by comedian and Twitch sensation Bilal Zafar aka Zafarcakes - they talk fake football and making Twitter silly again.👉🏼Remember you can find all posts discussed on Instagram @mightdeletelaterpod and we're on twitter too @mightdeletepod.Follow Bilal on Twitter: @Zafarcakes & Instagram: @zafarcakes_Check out his Twitch here.Follow Gina on Instagram @ginamartin and Twitter @ginamartinukFollowing Stevie on Instagram @5tevieM and Twitter @5tevieMWant to help us make more episodes? Support Might Delete Later at https://supporter.acast.com/mightdeletelaterHosted by Gina Martin and Stevie Martin.Photo by Joe Magowan.Artwork by Zoe Harrison.Recorded and edited by Naomi ParnellProduced by Plosive Productions.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/mightdeletelater. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Do you love Might Delete Later? I bloody hope you do. You can support our show by using the new ACAS supporter feature. It's up to you how much you give and there is no regular commitment. Just smash that link in the show description and support us now so we can keep making this podcast. Thank you. Hello and welcome to Might Delete Later with me. Stevie Martin, a person who feels social media is like when you sneeze and then it goes away

and then you're like, what's happening and you feel very sad and confused. And me, Jeannie Martin, who feels like it's like a giant heady sneeze that like sort of clears out your nose and it feels like, and then reset your whole body. Our guest today is my favourite comedian at the moment. He's absolutely excellent. During lockdown, he's basically, I don't know if you've heard of the platform Twitch. He explains what he does on there when we record the episode. but it's a platform that is basically for gamers, ostensibly, for years and years and years, and now he's made it sort of a comedy platform. His name's Bill Al Zaffer, and he's stand-up, but he's also just like smashing it on the online vibe land. He's so brilliant. You can watch it

on Twitch.tv slash Zaffercakes, and you can follow him on Twitter and Insta at Zaffer Cakes. Just really just Zaffer Cakes across the board, basically. It's a strong brand. He also, like, he's a, you know, a proper. a proper good comedian as well. So once all the live stuff kicks off again and we can all go and see comedy, go and see him. He got nominated for Edinburgh Fringe Best Newcomer in 2016. He's like, been on stuff, he's written things for things. And it's a very well-researched intro. So I don't know why you're shaking your head. This episode was so fun because Belal just kind of like messes with people on Twitter who are rude to him and sort of laughs about it and he has a very good outlook on it. And also I

think it's really interesting to talk about Twitch because we actually never or ever talk about a different platform but Instagram and Twitter. And I think it's probably going to take over the world. So before we start, Gina, what's in your drafts this week? Well, in my drafts this week is the fact that I was shadow band from Instagram. And I'm fine with it. What does shadow band mean? So shadow ban means that when like a platform like, I think it only really happens on Instagram, but basically what they do is they restrict your content so that anyone who doesn't follow you can't really find you. So for instance, if I typed in at CVM, yes, as a five, you wouldn't come up on the list. of people until I typed in the entire name. And then also it demotes your content. So I used to get thousands of likes and everything. And my engagement has soared recently and my followers have soared.

And then the first posts I post back got about 100 likes. And you can see that it's not reaching anyone. Yeah, but for 60, you know, 5,000 followers, that's not great engagement. But yeah, so there's just a real big dip. And it's basically hiding you because you posted something that they would say is violating community guidelines. How did you violate community guidelines, Gina? Well, that's a great question, Stevie. Thank you. I'll tell you. And the problem is, is I didn't. A friend of mine called Naomi, she's at Kirby, Naomi on Instagram.

Naomi with a Y. She posted a photograph that she had taken at a shoot with Alex Cameron, who's one of my favourite photographers. We've both been shot by Alex Cameron. She's amazing. She does confident shoots. She makes it feel so comfortable and she's so brilliant. She's an amazing photographer anyway. She shot everyone you'd probably see on Instagram. But Naomi did a shoot with her. There's beautiful photo of Naomi on a stool wrapping her arms around the body over her breast. You can't see anything. There's no nickel on show. No, no clips. No, and it got taken down by Instagram for sexual explicit content and that kept happening for five days. Neamy was shouting about it.

Naomi has a big platform. So does Alex. And then the other day I was like, this is enough. Like it's been four days. So I posted like, hey everyone, let's flood Instagram with these pictures of Naomi because they're not against community guidelines, but they're just censoring women who are black and exist in bigger bodies a plus size because there's a million photos of thin white women on Instagram Playboys. Instagram is full frontal nude photos. And obviously, Naomi's is the most beautiful artistic photo. So we flooded Instagram with those photos. We started the hashtag, I want to see Naomi. And Instagram obviously realized a lot of that content was coming from my account and they've shadow banned me. And honestly, like, I heard a lot

about shadow banning before and I was like, that would suck because I get, you know, it's a big part of my job, Instagram. I don't care. Like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, just an Instagram account and I see it as really petty and stupid. It's like you're going to shadow ban me for sharing a picture of a beautiful woman on a store. Get your shit together. You'll get it back as well because they'll have to do something about this. Also, because I put it up in support and they didn't take mine down. They're taking down loads of them though. I don't know if they stopped doing that. It's weird. It's like when you, that's the weird thing is that you're verified, I'm verified. What I noticed was a lot of the people they're not removing the pictures from are

white people because they've never talked about controversial issues on their Instagram before, but all my friends who talk about racism all the time, they put it up, gone within seconds with no notification. It's ridiculous. What's in your drafts today and is it to do with shadow banning? It's not so there with shadow banning, but it is to do with battling some shadows. Okay, so someone tweeted me the other day. Look, I don't even care. His name's Philip. I don't know. Out of nowhere, may I add, this is his tweet. All throughout my feed, it tells me what you've liked. you like some choice in apostrophes and then when you put a strike through

through the word shit stuff right but I didn't I literally did not know how to even react to it's like I don't understand why that's how Twitter works and also like nobody has told you to follow me thank you for your unsolicited opinion on my content

Phil the whole thing's so weird and my boyfriend immediately was like oh he's nagging you he's doing the thing that like because I don't know if anyone listening has read the game, the picker past is manual. Oh, God. I haven't, but I read it a bit, and I got so angry at stop.

I was eating too many crisps, and I couldn't like balance it, because I'm so angrily eating crisps. Anyway, point was, is a, Negging is a thing where you do in a group of people, and if you like, it's always men with women, because they're like, women love, like, shit. It's misogyny. Yes. And you are supposed to say something that's sort of, like, backhanded compliment,

not nice, something that makes them feel a little bit uncomfortable or not, like, like state like a little bit like what's going on so that then when your next thing is nice they sort of imprint upon you like a baby dinosaur that's essentially the vibe and I thought my my reply was really like sarcastic and like but actually now I read it back it looks like I'm really upset so it was like okay sorry you don't like stuff I like three question marks and then an exclamation mark and what I meant the it meant to be like this uh okay sorry you don't like stuff I like but I it doesn't sound like that or read like that And then he put back,

ha, no, it's great. And then like a smiley face of those little hands. Shut up, Philip. Great. Firstly, thank you so much for doing our podcast, Bill Out. So exciting. Thank you for having me. So every week we like to do a feature about whether we would delete things.

Gina, I'll ask you first. What would you like to delete this week? I'd like to delete the infestation of rats. in my patio. I have a hole that has opened up in my patio and a family of rats have made their home under my patio. We've spent the last four days on Rat Watch trying to get them down the hole to concrete up the hole.

So that's why I'd like to delete this week. Yeah, they're quite scary. They're not great. But, you know, that's why I'd like to delete this week. That's very good. Bill Al, what would you like to delete this week? Not rats, different thing. Anonymity online in terms of

social media and stuff like Twitch and things because you'll always have the worst people saying stuff with no consequences. That's a great one. You know, I get that it wouldn't ever actually happen. But like I feel like there'd be so much less trouble online because so much of it is people making, you know, anonymous account saying awful stuff that they'd never say. I think that's a good one. Yeah, I think some version of, some level of verification would be good.

Do you get a lot of that? I have done before, not recently, but I don't really argue on Twitter and stuff anymore like I used to. And I used to sort of purposely wind people up. But you would get a lot. Yeah, and if you got any press, basically, so when I did little articles and stuff about like fasting and things, which I wouldn't, not really interested in writing about now, but when I was sort of very new to comedy, I got asked to write random little bits about being Muslim for like the independent or whatever. and I'd get loads of abuse online.

But it was never someone who has a proper name or face. No. It's a dog. Like Stevie says, so just a Twitter egg. A Twitter egg. And then it's very galling because I'm like an egg. An egg is actually giving me shit and that's upsetting. Stevie, what would you like to delete this week?

I can't sleep ever. And I got some, someone was like, you need to buy magnesium sulfate. That was me. Okay. Was it? I think it was. I see how I was like, these will help your sleep.

You gave me a hormone or something, melatonin. Sorry, sorry. Melatonin. Yes. I tried melatonin actually at the Edinburgh Festival, 2019. And I can't remember if it worked. I don't think it did, but I liked the vibe. So I just kept going.

Well, then someone else was like, this magnesium sulfose is really really good because apparently like in Tommy here's like, everyone's got a great reason for everything. You know, like apparently a melatonin imbalance. Just give you. Fine. Mine's not that. Mine's my brain. So unless you can take my brain out,

another brain and I couldn't do anything, but I spent like 17 pounds on a massive thing of magnesium sulphate and it doesn't do anything. Oh, that's really... I can't sleep. Yeah, but we're going to get onto that because I'm feeling that's got some of the intuitive pitch, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, tell us about your just general relationship with social media now. Like, how do you use it? It's a lot better for me now than it has been in the past. Right now, I pretty much just use it to promote or to be silly and retweet the odd thing that seems important. I used to use it in a way where I was like looking at it constantly, probably addicted to Twitter.

I probably still am a little bit kicking off with people online, people that are saying stupid stuff, you know. Was that to generate material? No, no, no, no. Sound up shows or were you just like? I don't know, you just see something. It's the thing of Twitter, isn't it, where something's trending like Nigel Farage or Katie Hopkins or something.

And you'll see someone saying something dumb, and then you'll slam them, but then it will just keep going and people will, and it will just be a thing. And a lot of people still, I know, do that on Twitter. I was a lot younger when this, you know,

I feel a bit more mature now, I guess. But I don't, I don't sort of get into that now. Unless something, unless I feel I really have to say something, it's just stupid, isn't it, arguing online? It's futile. And also you used to be, you're obviously on Twitter, but then you started Twitch fairly recently.

and I think for anyone listening that doesn't, has never heard of Twitch before, can you give some context as to what it is and what you do on Twitch? Sure. So Twitch, I guess the best way to describe it is like watching YouTube, but it's live, sort of. And it's generally, it's a website made for live streaming games. So you'll have a lot of people playing all sorts of games

and their head is usually like in the corner of the screen and they're just sort of talking over the top. That's become a thing that people absolutely love, which can't get into explaining why, because, like, you know, my mum doesn't understand. But what I do is that I had to go at doing some of that stuff, and I got a bit bored, so I created a thing where I play football matches on a game from 2005, Pro Evolution Soccer 5,

and I play the character of the football manager. So I wear a suit, even in this weather. Yeah, no, is that. Top half. I wear shorts on this. Oh, that's good to know. Yeah, I play the character of football manager, so we have team talks, meetings. It's become a whole ridiculous. I'd say the best, the way to describe what I do now is like a,

it's like an improvised interactive comedy show. And it's so good. It's also not just for people, so if you're listening to me like, I don't really know about football. Like it's not like they went on family fortunes the other week. Yeah, yeah. And also one of the players is like possessed by Satan. Like it's very.

It's so surreal and so silly. And also like it's so interesting to me because meme culture, And just even the visuals of meme culture and they're kind of like, how you can like slap something together fairly quickly and it doesn't have to look polished or like high production value. Like that's the joy of it is that it's done quickly and it's interesting and funny and you never know where it's going to go. I've loved seeing like comedians on there on Twitch because with the situation we're in now,

it must have been weird to try and have to adapt to doing stuff online and getting any feedback or whatever when you're doing it on Twitter or anything. It was weird. So like the start of lockdown was really. tough for me. I think it probably, I know it has been for loads of people, but I imagine a lot of comedians were in the same situation where I was properly having like panic attacks at the start because I was meant to the Edinburgh Fringe this year and I was going to do something a bit different and I was doing a paid venue for the first time. So it's going to be quite a big year. That was the plan.

And then literally overnight, it just all vanished. And I was like, well, I don't know what's going to happen. And then, yeah, I just thought I'd give this a go and it wasn't planned at all. I used to, I think I was a bit of a snob, to be honest, towards online stuff. You know what I mean? Because I was so proud of doing stuff live that I can be on stage. I'd look at YouTube. I'd kind of look down on YouTubers and stuff. And I thought Twitch was the same.

But it's a bit different because it is live. And yeah, it's different because you don't get, obviously, you don't get laughs back. But the chat becomes the audience. And obviously, over time, you just kind of adapt to it. But yeah, it's fun. Did you enjoy Twitter? I mean, you sort of have touched this, but did you enjoy Twitter? before Twitch

like even though you know you know back like oh I wouldn't do that sort of stuff now like at the time were you like having fun on Twitter because it seems like now you've kind of created what I think in the episode

where we spoke to Andy Murray like same sort of thing like you've created a community of people that all like the stuff that you like and all kind of it's like you're all just like having a great time

with your friends on Twitter now yeah it's weird as well with Twitter in it because you're pretending like you don't want retweets when you're on there but that's all right but that's all

it is, isn't it? The whole point is to just show off how great and funny you are. And like before, so it's been a bit weird for me. So in 2016, I got an Edinburgh nomination thing, which is like very good PR for a comedian, but that's kind of it. So I had like nothing else really going on for a while. So I got all these Twitter followers suddenly. Not that I had like 4,000. I mean, that's still good. But like they weren't really that active. So I could, whatever I was tweeting, it wasn't really getting much attention. So that didn't feel great. And then now suddenly any nonsense I say gets a lot. It's incredible. Like the amount of people, like you'll say something. And then they'll just add on to your joke and add on to it. And then they'll create content for you,

like around Peas United, which is obviously your team on Twitch. Like the world it's created. I don't think people quite understand. It's like everything from like what they drink, like how they dress. Like the edits that cut down are like the montage as you see on like the Premier League.

It's so good. People are editing loads of videos and stuff. It's insane. The stuff animating stuff. It's weird because I've made the thing, what I've done is, and like it wasn't intentional, but I've got all these catchphrases

and all this stupid stuff now, that it's like I am the football manager on Twitter pretty much. And everyone replying is in character as my manager's managers, which is so much nicer than what Twitter used to be, which was just having to see loads of, like, racism, you know, and like, I get really annoyed when, someone does a crap tweet that gets loads of attention.

Oh, oh my God, yes. Which is always. Have you ever gone out with someone and they dump you a lull? And it's like 500,000. Oh my God, yeah, it's probably that. Yeah, I have. And also, it was also someone I felt quite attacked because somebody, someone that I respect and is very cool, said something like,

oh, I think it was Limmy, who I think is excellent. He said, like, do you know that it's actually so much harder to take off the auto caps lock? So to make it look like you feel like. Oh, I saw that, yeah. Yeah, I do that all the time. So I thought when I saw it, I thought about you, I was like, I bet Stevie's going to be well upset by this one.

I was just, again, it showed, from my perspective, all I've done is going like, oh, my tweets do better when they don't have a capital letter at the start. It looks better. What does that mean? But it's, as opposed it's that thing of just being like, I just sort of like toss this one off. Okay.

Sorry. Rather than I've had it in the text graphs for a year and I've been like editing it. And then it's like, ready to grab. in the world because that's lame. But then when he said that, I was like, oh, yes, again, my reasons for doing it are completely different. I'm doing it because I want people to like me

and think that I didn't try very hard. Yeah, but isn't that why we all do it? Yeah, true. All of that shit. It's still self-loathing is there. Something I should have said before about my relationship with social media is that I find it quite weird

because like with Instagram and stuff, I'm not very, I've never been very good at it because I don't usually like my face that much. Do you know what I mean? So I'm not very good at... It's weird as well with Twitch now. Suddenly I don't care about filming myself

as much as I did. But before, you can even see, I might have deleted them, but when I had to do little like tour show promo videos and stuff, I look so uncomfortable. It's weird that, isn't it? You just get so comfortable

the more you do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, on Instagram, you don't have to just put up pictures of your face. You could put up pictures of like... Grass. Right, your best post. This took me about three egos because I'm stupid

and then really laughed when me and Gina were like, oh, oh, it's because you think he's going to say that, okay, it's December 9th, 2019, so nearly a Christmas tweet. Monday joke, for you? My friend, Gav, died of indigestion. I can't believe Gav is dead. Because you think he's going to say Gav is gone. That's the joke, right?

Yeah, yeah. So I just picked that. I don't think it's my best tweet ever necessarily, but I like it because I think Twitter should be more stupid and people should be more kind of silly on it. And I really like that tweet because of the amount of people that tried to correct me. And I did it again.

I just, I don't know. I used to do this a lot where I was just bored where I don't, again, I'm not sure why I did this joke, but I would pick someone who's specifically not English. and I do quite a long tweet about them like they tell it like it is they know what's what blah blah blah and best of all he's English

about like a Scottish guy and the amount of people I did it about Lorraine Kelly that's it and best of all she's English right at the end the amount of people that correct you I just find that so funny

like it's so clearly a joke I don't know what it is it's just people get wound up so easily and take things so seriously on Twitter like I'd always do at the end of the tweet where best of all he or she is English. I do a little British flag with the muscle flexing emoji. Oh my God.

I don't know. Yeah. You just got the national front coming in just. I think it's so much harder to see to have a, I feel like this whenever we do the podcast and people are like optimistic about things that I'm like, I hate that. Because it's just all about perspective and it's so much nice to see that. It's just funny because it is funny. But it's just, I guess, get so. Also, I suppose actually, Gina, the what the, the ones that I get from.

are when like I've actually said something serious because I never said anything serious. And I've actually done like something about as men abusing women in comedy, for example. And then there's loads of men being like, actually, I don't think this is bad. You're like, you've just outed yourself, mate. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah. Oh, God. That's frustrating.

And also I suppose as well, there's an added element where it tends to be, to be honest, actually, I don't know because it tends to be guys across the board anyway. But for some reason when it's a guy telling you why you're just. like explaining your joke to you, it becomes like, oh fuck, because it becomes like a gendered thing. When actually the men are doing that to all of the men as well. They're just going around trying to explain with Jason.

So I suppose I get a bit like prickly about it just because there's been after shows and stuff, I used to have guys coming over and being like, yeah, it would be like, well, like, it'd be funny, but you should probably not wear lipstick on stage. You're like, all that. So I get really like when guys try and scrub a joke. You've had too much of it. so it becomes your reaction is bigger because of the compounding effect. No, that's fair enough.

Yeah. Yeah, but I want to see it as fun now and be like, ha ha ha ha. Just do that. Just do that. But you're making, but if you do, like you say, you do a serious tweet. And if anyone is annoying, yeah, I get annoyed at people if they, I've not done a serious tweet for a while, I don't think. No, I think I've done one in my whole life. In your life, yeah.

But, yeah, I think you should do some way you purposely get stuff wrong just to see what happens. That would be fun. I want to see that. And then double down, that's what I do. When people are like Lorraine Kelly, like one, she's Scottish, two, da, da, da, da, like a long list. And I'd say, and I'd just quote, tweet them back and, like, correct each point and be like, well, I know her personally. She is English. Just, you know, and I'm clearly, and it says I'm a comedian on my thing. But it's that gut reaction thing. That's what Twitter is.

People don't, the amount of times as well that I've seen someone's written an article and then someone's been like, I have actually a bone to pick with this. haven't read the article, but I'd be like, what are you doing? Like, what are you doing? That's my favourite slash worst thing, I suppose. Now, it's very annoying Twitter. I remember seeing a thing, I don't know if I read it or what, but about how Instagram is considered the worst for mental health. Obviously, it depends how you use it.

I guess you get the whole body image thing with Instagram and stuff. But for me, Twitter has been awful, like, at points. I find it harder for my head, Twitter. Yeah. I feel like if you create a community, I don't know if this is true. and look, this is, you know, just an opinion. Share an opinion to. But, like, if I've created a community on Instagram

and it feels like that community is harder, that bubble is harder to pop, and way less often a load of random people come in and just upset everyone. Whereas on Twitter, if I whisper the word trans, I get absolutely piled on by people who don't believe trans people should have human rights. Whereas that just doesn't happen to my Instagram.

It's almost like the algorithm or the way the platform works makes it way harder for me to create a community of, like, supported people on Twitter, Whereas on Instagram, it kind of just stays as it is. But also on Twitter, people search for words. So there's people searching for trans to just kick off with everyone. That's so weird. I didn't even think of that.

How shouldn't that be in your life? Right. The first tweet, basically you were tweeting loads of comedians and sort of saying nice, like nice supportive things. A lot of people who start their first tweet and when we find their first tweet and they're on this podcast, they're often saying things like, hello, Twitter, here I am, or they're trying to tweet something. Whereas you, it was literally like, you're like, hello, can I come to your party?

I'm here now. And so your first tweet was to Ray Peacock, who is a comedian, and it says, and you say, please do another tweet, and then another at me and I all have got your 10,000th tweet. Oh, so that was 2012. He did that. I would have been in my second year of uni at the time. My favorite one is the third one you did, which is you've been dead. Can you help me get some followers?

I have six. I'm a lovely blooms, maybe. Not true. Was that to Ed Gamble? I remember doing it. So I think I was doing that in the tone that their podcast was in. Do you know what I mean? I used to really like their podcast when I was, yeah, they stopped doing it.

Okay, that's not too bad though. Not too all. You're just like a lovely fan boy, you know? Yeah. You come out and come off like. Do you remember getting your own? first like Twitter account do you remember like why you went on Twitter was it a thing like I should do it because everyone else is doing it or like yeah it was something I should do it it was so

what was it like then it was very different when I joined so I didn't join at the very beginning of Twitter but I'm sure that when I joined there was a it was a lot more fun it was a lot of people just doing one-liners yeah not like what it is now yeah yeah I just thought I just thought join it and have a go and also I don't remember if wait 2012 I think I might have been just about getting into stand-up and I thought that's a good way to try and promote gigs and meet people and stuff. Absolutely. Yes. Great. Networking. On that point, though, your next tweet, which is your worst post that you picked, was just on the stand-up competition in the Liverpool Raw-Hide Rawl Club. So don't worry about me,

kiss. Don't worry about me? Why don't you like this tweet? So it's partly because it's a bit of a lie. Oh. Because... You didn't whip. Well, this is the thing. It was like there was one of those like gong show type gigs in Liverpool. So I was living in Bolton at the time for uni. And I used to travel around the north-wester gig quite a lot, just like open mics. And this gig there was like, I don't think there was an audience. I can't remember.

It was like one or two people. And it might have been like four comedians one. Do you know what I mean? And I was like, I wonder, don't worry about me. But at the time it's like, I'll take it. Yeah, yeah, but it's just that thing of, it just reminds me that tweet of how much you're trying to impress everyone

all the time. And especially when you start stand up and there's all these other comedians, you know, I just want a competition kind of thing. And it's just, it makes me cringe. Like I realized, like at the Edinburgh Fringe, I remember that my first year went very, very well. Like, I got very lucky with stuff. So I was selling a lot of tickets and stuff.

And I think it was, I can't remember a show before or after me or whatever that they were struggling a little bit. And then that's, when I realised that I don't need to tweet about selling out because I don't need to promote my show if it's sold out. And also, I'm just going to make other comedians feel bad. Yeah. Which definitely enough comedians don't think like that because it's just, especially around Edinburgh time, it's just bragging, which is fine to promote stuff, but sometimes it's like, come on, you didn't need to do that brag. Your show was about, I've just realized as well. Your show was about social media, yeah, because your handle, so do you want to explain that? That's an excellent story. I know you've talked about. loads that my Twitter handle is Zaffa cakes and what happened was is that this thing I think it was I don't remember if it was trending if it was very popular but it was boycott Muslim businesses started to get loads of quite popular on Twitter and my brother's on Twitter as well and we find that kind of stuff quite funny like we we we've done a lot of winding people up before but

he just tweeted everyone boycott Zaffa cakes it's a cake shop in Bristol it refuses to serve non-Muslims with the hashtag boycott Muslim. And I was like really like laughing. And then suddenly loads of tweets started actually pouring in because he had like what we mentioned before, he had an anonymous kind of Twitter account. He had like a football account that he didn't really use much. So then people just assumed that oh this guy's telling the truth. And then that became the show. I just went along with it and that was that. Thanks. But it's

weird because I feel like racism is way more mainstream now. than it was when I did that show. Did you still get that shit? When did it stop? It was like a month. It was like a month of it. And it was really funny because even when it became clear

that it wasn't real, people were still angry. But that was all, again, I think a bit like how I mentioned that Twitter is more fun now that I'm usually a football manager, sort of a character.

It was weird because it was really funny because I was a cake shop owner in Bristol, where I hadn't even been. I'd never been there before, which was partly funny, what made it funnier. I think because of that, because they weren't attacking me, they were attacking a guy that doesn't exist.

And I would purposely spell stuff wrong to make them think my English was bad, which is just really funny to me at the time, you know, all of that stuff. Whereas I think it must be really different as someone who's just attacking you. To be honest, now I'm a lot, not that I get loads of it, but if someone says something nasty, I just mute them. Yes, I don't. It's really good. That's probably a way healthier way of dealing with it,

engaging. Thank you so much for now. That was really fun. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. I love doing, I love being on podcasts that I've listened to and then your own name pops up in your... Oh, that's joy. Yeah, that's joy. Like you've subscribed

and you wake up and it's your own name on your phone. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Oh, well an absolute, that's a charming episode. I just, I love him. I'm such a big fan. I was like a fan girl the whole time. He's so funny and like, he's just his facial expressions and he's just such a nice dude. I loved that.

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