Might Delete Later - Ep 6: Rose Matafeo

Episode Date: July 2, 2020

This week, Gina and Stevie talk Bebo, Taskmaster tweets and forgetting passwords with comic and writer Rose Matafeo.👉🏼Remember you can find all posts discussed on Instagram @mightdeletelaterpod and we're on twitter too @mightdeletepod.Follow Rose Matafeo on Instagram @rosematafeo and Twitter @rose_matafeoFollow Gina on Instagram @ginamartin and Twitter @ginamartinukFollowing Stevie on Instagram @5tevieM and Twitter @5tevieMWant to help us make more episodes? Support Might Delete Later at https://supporter.acast.com/mightdeletelaterHosted by Gina Martin and Stevie Martin.Photo by Joe Magowan.Artwork by Zoe Harrison.Edited by Clarissa Maycock.Recorded at Sony 4th Floor Creative.Produced by Plosive Productions.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/mightdeletelater. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Do you love Might Delete Later? I bloody hope you do. You can support our show by using the new ACAS supporter feature. It's up to you how much you give and there is no regular commitment. Just smash that link in the show description and support us now so we can keep making this podcast. Thank you. Hello and welcome to Mike Delete Later where we forage for social media posts gone by and hold them up and ask our guest. Ha ha, what's that?

I'm Gina and I love social media. I'm Mrs. Stevie and I'm inherently suspicious of it. Today we're looking at comedian Rose Matabeo's tweets and Instagrams. Rose was on Tasmasa last year. She was excellent and she also has a BBC sitcom in The Works and has done loads of Edinburgh shows, which are all of them are my favourite show. Filming had to be paused because of lockdown, but we recorded this before then, which is why it sounds so beautiful.

Do you remember studios? Oh, good times. This was so great because Rose reminded me a Bebo existing. Oh my God, a high five. Yeah, and how you spend days trying to come up with a username that was like kooky enough to like make someone fancy you. We also talk a lot about the kind of emotional side of being on social media, which was quite interesting.

So have a listen. Go to our Instagram at Might Delete Later Pod to see the photos that Bose talks about. And just have a really nice rest of your day, please. Please do. We've got Rose. Yay! Hi, Rose. Hi.

How are you? I'm close enough to the mic. You can bring it closer. Yeah, that's good. And that's such an incredible intro to the podcast. I didn't check that beforehand. I didn't want to air. It just happened.

Thanks having me, guys. That's so fine. Of course. It's so fine. It's fine. We don't mind. Yeah, no. It's okay.

It's okay. okay like it's satisfactory so great and I'm paying you to be here am I'm I paying a fee imagine if I was paying you a fee I'd love that to be here as a guest

like you know when you're at school and like the kids that have no talent like pay to be in Annie like high school productions yeah yeah yeah oh my god I didn't know that like it was like it was like holiday programs

where it's like yeah and you have to pay for your kid to like do this whole thing but they're like shit and like yeah they just got money yeah and then you really isn't that how we all sort of live a line

What, paying to be an annie? In some ways. In a way. In a way. And you're paying us the fee of your time. So we do really, really appreciate that. We do. So what is the thing that you want to delete this week, Gina,

if you could delete anything? Abstract concept, animal object, in animal object. Fish sauce. Is it? Yeah, I was willing to fish sauce as kind of an add-on to a dish and now it's just made, I can't look at it directly. It freaks me out because once I had a fish cake in uni that was chewy, like yogurt and I've never been able to forget it

and it makes me want to vomit every time. Why? Because it had like bits of like eyeball. It was gone off fish cake that was gone off fish. And I chewed it and it was like chewing gum. And ever since fish cakes have made me go, and then my friend like loves sushi, like loves other fish. And I love fish. It's great, it's great.

But fish sauce just smells exactly like fish cake. So I would delete fish sauce for this week. Because I think next week maybe I'll make over that this week makes me want a bock. That means B-Sick. Bok. Like a spring bock. I'm convinced that bock is a northern term for B-Sick. But every time I've said it, people have been like, that's not a thing.

Because I grew up in the same house as you. I've never heard you say that before. I hate myself. What would you like to delete this week? Oh, I'd like to delete silk. I did. I spent quite a lot of money and I bought some silk monogrammed pajamas. Oh, yeah, so that we had matching.

Because I had them as well. Because I had them as well. I got sent them by a fancy company and so I was like, I will buy them. And so I can match. And I then looked up what silk was. And I didn't know. I'm 31. I didn't know that it's made with worms.

like thousands, hundreds, millions maybe, worms would have died. And then like when I said it, my boyfriend was like, what did you think? Why do you think silk was so expensive? And I realized it was because I thought, genuinely not this.

I didn't obviously like engage in it, but I just knew that subconsciously, I thought it was a known fact, that they like polished cotton to make it shiny. She said to me in all seriousness when I said, yeah, silk's really bad. She said,

Yeah, I thought it was just cotton that they just like shined up. Yeah, and all the people had to buff the cotton and that was why it was bad. Leked up. Ridiculous. What an adorable, adorable human there? Or is it just ignorant? What about satin? Yeah, so satin is plastic.

It's not actual silk. It's like fake silk. But then like with everything, you know, like all the worms haven't died, but the human labour, there's always an ethical quandary and everything. It's like fur. It's really bad, obviously. But then faux fur, I've got a faux fur coat over there. and the amount of little fur things that come off, they go in my throat. I eat my coat.

I thought you were going to say like a normal version is microplastic shedding into the environment but you're like, I can't stop reaching them. To you. Yeah, you were part of the environment. I can feel it. So now I'm technically wearing a fur coat inside my body.

Oh no. Anyway, what would you like to delete that image of me with the fur coat? Yeah, I'd like to delete the image of a fur coat on the inside. Okay, well actually, I was thinking about this. And, I mean, to be honest, I would like to. So this week, I deleted Instagram.

But no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, take it back. Because I deleted Instagram and then I was just having a horrible day, I think, mentally. And I think Instagram, you know, when you get into this horrible cycle, we go between three apps, and you spin out, you spend about three hours on all of them. And you're like, what am I doing? I think I got to breaking point, which I get to breaking point a couple times a year, where I just delete the whole thing. and I had the best day of all time.

But then obviously, you know, from work and stuff, you do need to have it. So I think this is like a really amazing hack. And I think people don't feel like they need to delete it because they think, I just won't go on it and set a boundary. I know. But like muscle memory, you just pick up and go on it. 100%. And so I've started doing it at 6pm and then redownloading it in 9am the next day.

I'm the sad. So this is what I've done. I've re-downloaded it and then I just delete it again because it doesn't take long. No. But isn't that just say something so sad about our self-control? And it's horrible, but it is I would highly recommend just deleting it. I don't have Twitter on my phone, but I just go on my fricking browser, which is awful. Yeah, over Edinburgh, I attack, I deleted it and then went on every day because I was just like, I'll just go on Twitter.com.

Yeah, exactly. It's ages, so it's actually the same thing. It's just really annoying. I just think we have to be kind to ourselves and realize that, like, it's not our fault. We're just a product of all this bullshit stuff. Like, it's another thing to feel bad about that you can't control yourself with that. But it's really not your fault. It's an addiction thing.

Like, it is created to be addictive. It's proper addiction in terms of. of like I, but I found that I got to breaking point recently because I could see, I could feel physically how much physical endorphins I was relying upon from validation. Yeah. And it just, and it just, and also, no, actually what happened the other day was, I was, I was the hairdressers and I was in the basin that were doing something to my hair, ended up being there for 20 minutes and I didn't take my phone with me.

I left it like in my bag. And just the abject horror. And despair I had for 20 minutes to sit with my own thoughts for 20 minutes. Yeah. Because I really don't like being left my, like, it's never a good sign. Yeah, never a good thing for me. But then I was like, there was once a time when I could do that. Yeah.

And it was really kind of scary to like feel like to realize that. Do you get the jerk? Because I'll be watching TV and I'll go like to get my phone. Jerked. And I'm like, oh, I put it in the other room. And then I just jerked to get my phone. And I know it's not there. I started to get really, really, I think, with comedy and also with journalism,

and you just start going like, oh, they've been commissioned by that person. Or like, oh, wow, they've got a, you know, a sitcom on BBC 3 or whatever. And you're like, right. So you have to move rose immediately. But no, no, it's nice. But it's also like, I love finding that stuff out. But I want to find that stuff out because, like, I've gone to the Guardian to look at the news section. Not that I don't want the news thrown at me.

And be like, that's amazing. Yeah, I find out through someone. Or I find out through you. Or, like, it's just, oh, I don't like, just being. serve this information when I'm like I feel so shit and I'm like oh great everyone's written a book like everyone's written a book yeah it's it's wild

I mean I think it's yeah it's bad for envy but it's also if you're already kind of like a I think maybe it can create it and people who don't weren't perhaps envious before I agree because I didn't really look like when I did my journalism MAA everyone was quite like oh like go like quite cut through it and I was a bit like

it's fine I didn't mind at all and it was only when Twitter started and suddenly I was like, oh, everyone's got a job and I'm a waitress and I'm ha-ha, and I just like lost it because of Twitter. Also specifically for me in terms of, just to bring it back to me for a second. I mean, that's why you're the guest.

You're literally the guest. No, no, but just, um, also I live, like I've lived in England for, four years, is. I, fuck it, I never remember. But, um, but it's so lonely. Like, all, so it's my only connection to seeing my friends are up to my family are up to is that stuff. So it's so difficult.

So every morning I can get up and see all my mates are doing and stuff. And on one side it's, oh my God, I'm so sad. I'm not there. And then on another side it's like, oh, I can still be in contact. Oh, wow. What a little winter. It's like beauty and the bee. It's the mirror.

It's the mirror. Oh my God. It's what it is. How has your relationship with it changed in the past couple of years? because lots happened in your career and stuff. Has it changed? Has your relationship shifted with it a bit? Yeah, well, it's just weird.

I mean, I feel like I've been, I'm grown up with things like Twitter. I've been on Twitter for like 10 years, I suppose now, which is nuts. And with Instagram, yeah, I don't know. I've gained a lot more, like, I guess, followers and stuff, but I've never ever, I've never ever been one to, which I don't know if it's bad or not, but like to, like, care about how many there are or compare that to anyone else. Good. Yeah, I think it's more for me.

the validation I get from people liking and seeing who likes things it makes me like just so ashamed of myself it's like this deep shame for feeling it's like self-flage relation for feeling a prick of endorphins the other day I stopped myself from posting something because I'm like why am I doing this? Why am I posting this?

No, doesn't anyone need to hear this? And it just, it's just a, yeah. Well it's hard because there's like a billion dollar industries that's literally designed to make you post that so you are your little brain, your tiny brain, your tiny brain. It's going on. It's such a small brain.

A cute girl brain. But it's like it's battling these things that it's just that you are, it's not your fault. Like, you know, people who are. None of us are fully in control of this. And that's why it's really good to talk about it as well because, God, like, there's two sides to every situation. There's like, oh, I want to make sure I'm posting more because it's good for my career. But I also don't want to rely on posting all the time because that's not my career. But then I also want to be responsible by what I post.

But then I'm also personal. and I think things have made mistakes. There's so many dichotomies on nuances in social media and how we interact with it, which is why it's just good to talk about it. I have a fucking breakdown when I'm used to everyone on Instagram because I suddenly was like, but the algorithm will be affected.

I remember. I've got no followers. Like, what was I? Also, do I care? It's not a real thing. Yeah, I don't even know what that is. What does that mean? I know what algorithms are.

Things. Like, so if you like, comment more, if people comment more on your posts and they come up on their feeds more because it's not chronological on Instagram. That's what freaks me the fuck out In terms of Twitter as well It's like I don't want to be Like I don't want to

The fact that you see a different Twitter feed Than someone else is in it And it is complete control over what you see And it's not as democratic or you know It's not as like as you would hope it to be It's just Do you know what? I think I have like a slightly weird

perception of it because I used to work in social media So I've seen and know how to, I understand exactly how it works is just math and science. I understand how the algorithms work why they work the way they do, how people build brands, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But I feel the same as you guys feel about social media. But I also feel sort of liberated from it because I'm like, people are like, I have to keep up the algorithm. And I, because I've seen it, I'm like, no, you don't, because it changes every six months. Yeah, that's true.

You would never know anyway. There's not one algorithm that you have to keep up with because now, look, they're going to take likes off Instagram. The entire system changes every six months. So you can't worry about too much because you can't win.

You just have to use it. Just let it just go with the flow because everyone's using it differently No one knows what we're really doing. It's any medium of any kind. It's a hellscape of This good television, there's bad television There's shit books, is bad.

It's like society, but in a digital way. I mean, it turns out we are the real enemies, to be honest. Human kind. Yeah, our own brain style. Our own thoughts are our own enemies. We've got Gina pulled up with your first tweet. It's slightly more difficult than other people's

Because you were on, you joined Twitter like 2008, but you didn't tweet until 2009. What's so funny as well, you know, I have Rose underscore Matafir, but because I couldn't get just my name. Because I owned that one as well. No. I don't know what the password is. And I have tried to contact, I don't know how to contact Twitter. Be like, oh, this is me, this is me.

I don't want that handle, but I can't. No. How do you know how to do that? I don't know what the password is. It seems to me like, fluky gal. Yeah, exactly. Fluky gal. at 12.

She was fluking it. Excuse me. It was Bilbo underscore and underscore co at hotmail. com actually. So. Billbo. Do you know genuinely I think that is and I can't get into my hot mail?

So I think, yeah. Oh, I love that. I was drawn to the flame. So we're doing to them. Amazing. Drama girl, Georgia over here. Anyway. Incredible.

Yeah, so you joined into November 2008. Okay. So it's been 11, almost 12 years. You've had an account. Hell crazy. But also, something weird happened with you. So when you go on Twitter and you want to find someone's first tweet,

you put at the top from username, then you put since and you put the dates in, you put until the next date. So it's like a little code you put in, you can go straight to the beginning of the account. You've somehow nailed all the algorithms because I couldn't get to the beginning of your account, but I can do it for everyone else, I have no idea why. You've also tweeted the most, you've tweeted like

25,000 times. You tweeted literally a thousand times a year since you were born. No! Nish tweeted like 15,000, 10,000 more. Oh my God. God. I was met. Yeah, I'm Twitter's my, my, was my vibe. But I found, I think I found out why you've tweeted so much, because your first tweets on the 14th of June 2009 were to someone called Devon underscore says. And there was a series of four tweets where you're having a conversation. This is a conversation.

Oh my God. Oh my God. I just don't care anymore. That's the truth. She talks about how we need to be independent and no one in the real world is second tweet going to care about us. When all you get taught in classes, how to get excellences. How are we supposed to learn? Oh my God. third tweet, how to actually enjoy the process of learning and the significance of knowledge. And then the last one, it makes me angry that when I YouTube debussy, I get about a million Edward Cullen fanvids because Claire Dilloon was in Twilight. So like, so many different things going on there.

It's great. So you started this account and you went straight into a decision and a conversation about education. So, Devin is my, yeah, she was a friend from school. Oh. So Devin would have been, but then, so 2009 would have been my last year of high school. and what class was I in with Devon? So hang on, because you're talking like a teacher then. She talks about how...

I just don't care about it. She talks about how we need to be independent and no one in the real word is going to care about us. All you get taught in class is how to get excellences. How are we supposed to learn? Actually enjoy the process of the... What the fuck? I actually am shocked.

I don't remember... Do you know, it's like, well, you don't remember... Like, who is this person? Yeah, yeah. Like a different life? Why are you texting them? I know. I don't know.

Also, my biggest thing that I take on bridge here is that a teacher said to you that no one in the real world is going to care about you. Oh my God, but what was this? I'm trying to figure out which teacher this was. But yeah, I can, it's totally, but I sound incredibly smart. You do sound really smart, but Devin has not replied. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think your Twitter, like, interaction for a lot of those years,

the reason you have so many tweets is because you were having conversations with mate. Tons of conversations. That could have gone back and forth, 15, 20 conversations, because that's a serious conversation. So you're using that platform as like a kind of DM messenger vibe? I think it was because probably I didn't have Devon's number. And she probably tweeted. And that is an interesting thing.

I do think I did a lot of that. And I 100% connected and made a lot of friends over Twitter at early days. And like proper friends who I like know and met up with in real life. Which is so funny because it reminds me of when my mom was younger. when I was younger, my mom she was younger as well she could get older as I was younger she's on Benjamin Button

she would like make friends on like MSN like chat rooms of like electronica chat rooms and you'd be and she'd make friends who then she'd meet up with and stuff and it was a proper it was a proper way of connecting with people and like you're making friends

and I think at that stage Twitter in the late 2000s It was safe It was like that yeah It was safe and friendly So nice. And like, cozy. Okay.

So also one that I wanted to ask you about is that you said on the 5th of August, I totally forgot how awesome rumblefish is. Oh my God. What's rumblefish? It's a man. It's a, Francis saw a couple of film from 1983. No, 1983. That's so cool.

It's got Matt Dillon in it. So this is because I had a deep obsession with the author, S.E. Hinton, who wrote a young adult fiction called The Outsiders, which was then later turned into a film. the 80s starring Francis Paul Coppola again starring Rob Blob, Hadrick Swayze Oh, I've seen that. Tom Cruise, Ralph March. Oh, the main boys. Yes, yes. I've seen that. Yes.

And same author and did a one called Rumblefish, which is, uh, yeah, it's just... Did you just have a mad crush on all the boy, is that? Oh, hell yeah. I was deeply obsessed with it. No, no, no, yeah, it was the hottest boys ever. And I had a big crush on Matt Dillon at that time. I was really massively into... I like, yeah, I like movies and stuff as a teen night, but I was a real, like, pushing that kind of nerdy vibe on, on social media, which you know I can't say it's changed but it was really important that like I remember like Facebook came out and you you had the profile thing where you could put like your favorite movies yeah and I would

spend like seven hours thinking about that like what did I want people to think my people to so I always said run lola run which is like cool independent arts if I'm yeah absolutely amazing it was like Harry Potter and the lost to go. Yes. Run lola run is such a funny one. I love it. I used to be like, I went to mind and self-indulgence.

Yeah. Oh my God. And people would be like, who are they and be like, I don't know who they are. But like I'd like all those pages because it was like small bands and I want to heard of.

Totally. Oh, Gina's at the forefront of music, obviously, as a 15-year-old. It goes back to MySpace as well, having that. I love it. Like, having this song to play. Oh my gosh. It's so much fun.

It was such a cool concept. It was creative, right? It is welcome to my space. Yes. You could code. So you could code snowflakes falling And for Christmas Do you know what?

I reckon is, does anyone remember Bebo? Of course. I never went on it. Are you kidding me? Bebo, I was my jam. Oh my God. Top friends on Bebo, other half on Bebo was really contentious. All the cool girls on Bebo had like sick pages

And I was like, I really wanted to be a Bebo cool girl So I had a page for six phones. And then a Bebo cool girl. Bebo.com forward slash that nerd rose. Oh my God. I love it. I was like a nerd. I'm so really.

I was. I was, oh my God, I was mophead T-M because I had a big emo-french. Oh, I was like, and I went to Bandnight, B-A-D, because now adults are allowed? And people used to watch me and be like, are you mop-head? And I'd be like, oh my God. Are you mop-thead? And that was like... That was in Northwich as well.

I am not much head, baby boy. Oh, my God, that's mop-head. I love that. She's in TESCO with mom. Her mom, not my mom. Big mom, actually. But in terms of this character, I wasn't your sister. Okay.

That worked out. That worked out really well. I was Sepsky. Anyway, when I started linking Spotify to Facebook, and you could see what I was actually listening to, which is like Lily Allen the Fear and Britney Spears womanizer, over and over again. It did not match with the favourite bands at all, which is like, Quincy's stage.

What is a post that you've done that you regret? Could be on Twitter, could be on Instagram, anything. A post that I've done that I regret. Oh, yeah, so I was thinking about this, And it's very hard to share this without sounding like an absolute awful space. Save the one where you look too fit. Yeah, basically. I was going to say that.

Can I say that? I just look really good. No, so I reckon there were elements actually of like early Twitter where I was, you know, when you're a fucking hormonal early 20s gal. Yeah. On like kind of the wild west of Twitter. I remember, and I was doing comedy at the time. I remember I did a comedy show where I was.

taking the piss out of this book that this girl was almost like early and pre-influencer vibes but she, you know, when people write these books like self-help books. It was a it was an actor who I now know and I'm friends with and I'm like and I'm really and she's in like a sketch

show that we we did and she's such a brilliant person but I remember I was so I was so, I was so hated her book so much because for something I was really angry at it in terms of it was like, I was before I knew her and I decided I was like, this is everything I'm against, right?

And I remember like kind of, it was a form of bullying. It was a form of like, but I think with comedy, bullying isn't, bullying is such, there's such a fine line between bullying and like jumping on a hashtag and, you know, like, doing a part of like, it is like, not probably, but like, it's like teasing. And like, I think there is a real fine line between kind of teasing someone without knowing that there's, you know, someone behind it reading those tweets and then kind of being like, oh, it was actually a funny hashtag in the sense that it was ideas for what your autobiography would be, would be, but it just seemed like a real slight to this person because it was using the exact hashtag. But it was actually specifically because it was New Zealand. Like I think it happens a lot with other people, other figures, prominent figures,

who have a million followers and you go, they're not going to care, they're not going to see this if I use this hashtag and do something funny with it. But New Zealand makes such a small place. it was like, oh, those people, you know all these people. You will meet her. You will work with them. And so then it became like, and then you, yeah, it became a thing where it was like, real person was probably reading these and feeling like everyone's laughing at them.

And then you were like, oh, shit. Did you ever broach it with her? We never properly talked about it. We just kind of never referenced it. But then we started working together. I reckon she does. Really? 100%.

But people so rarely say, I was wrong. Yeah, loose. And I'm sorry in those situations. I mean, I had that actually very early on when I was a young writer and stuff, and I did this, I was doing a film blog, and I made a joke. So I made a, it was such an amazing lesson. It was, I made a joke, which was basically like a hypno joke. So it was like, which at the time, and you guys will know, like, it is so much context. Like, but we lived in an era where those were being made in every comedy, mainstream comedy film.

Yeah, you thought you had to kind of make that joke in order to get anywhere. 100%. And it was like, and I did it. And then someone commented being like, that's a really bad taste joke. I really don't like that. it's really offended me. And then I just obviously had a nervous breakdown. I was like, oh my God, what have I done?

Oh my, my life's going to end. Yeah, and then I was like, and then I just typed an apology. I was like, you're so right. It's so horrible. We're taking it out. Thank you for saying that. Wow. But never happened.

And then the person replied going, thank you so much. So nice to see it like that happened. Thanks for listening. And I was like, what just happened here? It was magical because I just don't think that would happen. If that happened on Twitter, if they happen on Twitter today, it would then become a conversation between other people quoting that tweet.

It becomes a fight and I have so much respect for people who can go. I have so much respect for people who can go. Oh yeah, actually, I haven't said that before. Yeah, dead on, like right on, thanks for letting me know. I think that's huge. Yeah. So hard to do it when you don't have someone's face in front of you. Also, you can imagine the awful person that has said this to you.

And like, you can completely make up someone who's like this evil face of someone who's out to get you instead of someone who's just trying to make it. Yeah, just trying to educate you in a nice, a nice, relaxed way. Yeah, but anyway, God, it all got dark. It all got dark. It all got dark. No, it's good. It's very interesting to talk about. But we have to talk about that. Yeah, you're right.

Like, you have to talk about this stuff. And like, there isn't any, like, I just don't think there's any progress online if you can't go, I've done really stupid shit and I've learned from it. And also, like, if you can't have a conversation about doing stupid shit, like, we're all like, oh, yeah, we just want people to learn me better. But it's like, if someone says they did something bad, we're like, oh, you're cancelled. Well, that's the problem. But it's like if you can go, oh, yeah, that was really messed up that I did that.

And then look where I've got now, now I'm like a different place. And it's like, well, great, but more power to you. Why can't we have that conversation? So do you have a post that you're proud of? Oh, yeah. Wow. Sure. I have one of yours I can think of that.

I'm proud of you for those. You're like, that's the best. But you're one of like 2013. I think it's 2014 versus 2019. You're like, 2014, you're looking at a waxwork of Conan O'Brien. And then 2019, she's on Conan O'Brien show. That was cool. I felt, yeah.

I even recognize you because you've got a little straight in hair. I know, my little pimped straight hair. It was crazy. Lots, lots happened. My hair is, you know, leaned back. Yeah, it's mainly the hair that was a takeaway. I'm not talking with your hair. I think so.

No, I guess that was, no, I thought that was just a funny, because I just found, I found that old photo going through some old photos. And I was like, that's hilarious. Yeah. That was five. five years. But my thing, I think I do, on Instagram for a year, I decided I would never do, all my stories would only be of me eating to a song.

Oh, I watched all of them. And then I had to stop because I was like, I did this feature about muckbang. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's kind of like old, it's not all old men, but it tends to be. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Mukbang is now, oh, Korea? Korea, Korea, yeah, Korean. And they eat, like, it's often very, very small, dainty-looking.

girls and they eat shit loads of food and they video themselves and like hundreds of thousands, millions of people just watch them and they comment and then while they're eating they'll be like answering comments it's not a sexual thing but it's a bit of a sexual thing I think

it's an emotionally it's a loneliness thing I think a lot of the time yeah so that lonely guys who are just like yeah want to eat but then the girls are hot the girls are hot but I watch some ones where the girls aren't hot so it's I'm great. Well, I'm so good. I think I found it very different. Also, I watch male ones as well a lot of times. Yes, that's true.

There are lots of males. I'm a good to, I'm a good. And you could always tell as well when I was going through my loneliest periods of time because I never do it around people. So it's always not when I'm so lonely and I'm like, oh, I'll just post a video. I like that there. That's cool. It was good. But someone, but someone messaged me the other day. It was really sweet. Just saying like, you know, I posted something of like, I don't know, I always posted about food and all that. But just saying that she is a weird relationship with food and seeing someone like be happy and like enjoying food. Like so good. It was a cool thing. And I was like, I'd never thought about that. And I was like that's so cool and that means so much.

And what antidote to a lot of the content on Instagram and on social media, which is around looking good and clean eating and all this fad that is actually very, very close to very problematic eating habits. I love that. Sort of the final question I want to ask you is about Taskmaster. Oh, yes. Congratulations, well, darling. You're great on it. And you did a tweet that was along the lines of,

I keep getting just DMs from guys being like, I don't know why, but I just, I find it really hot. Like, just so funny. So bizarre. Can I just bobbing in and say, like, what a great backhanded compliment? I know. It's like the same as when people say to me, like,

oh, it's amazing that you're so confident with the work you're doing. The assumption is that I shouldn't be confident in the work. The assumption is that they shouldn't be attracted to you. Like, what the game? It's negging. It's being like, I guess you will never feel like, I may you feel a little bit uncomfortable. And then you'll be like,

intrigued by me? Like, no, we won't. But it's not even, like, it's actually even more stupid than the game because there's no actually tactic to it. Because what it is, is it's men trying to make themselves look interesting or deep by the fact

that they're attracted to someone who's funny. You know, I mean, like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, funny, funny and fit? How could it exist in the same universe? It's just like so, it's so funny as well, and it's always the same. Same type of guy who would be like a middle-aged dad from like the Midlands.

And like, so I never, never will say weird or girl crush. Because a crush is a crush. Very true. Girl crush is weirdly like kind of scared of being, you know, like, queer. Yeah, exactly. It's so bizarre. And then weird crush is like, what do you talk about?

There's no, no weirdness about any attraction. So it's a, it's like a guilty pleasure thing. It's like, oh, my guilty pleasure. Exactly. It's like, all of these things that's so much shame attached to these things. It's like, why? Just say that you fancy someone. And I find it hilarious.

I don't find it offensive in any way. No, it's not. It's not. It's so funny. They do fancy you, so it's not. I take it. I take it. I'll take it.

But it's just so funny. Like, what kind of glitch in the Matrix is? I have, for some reason, to find that person attractive. And it's like, oh my God. I find an attractive person attractive. It's so weird. But I think it is because, you know, I think especially for women and especially

for all for comedians as well. But, you know, you've got to do one thing. It's like you stay and you're like, are you a super-man? or are you a comedian? Or are you? And, you know, like, well, you can't. And, you know, it's a, it's, yeah, it's a strange thing for people.

I got told very early on to not wear so much makeup on stage because people would struggle to find, to what? To what? I'd find me funny. So, like, massive dad, I was in a sketch group ages ago, and we all got told that. But what was really frustrating is it worked. So then when we stopped wearing makeup.

Wild. We felt more like, just like, we are now comedians rather than we're trying to look good. Like, hang on, if we are struggling with this, then... But this is the bullshit thing. Like, you might not wear makeup and feel better. You might wear loads of makeup and feel better. But it's not even about which is the right choice.

It's just you giving you the choice to allow to do it without someone else telling you what's the best thing to do. And tell a joke. Anyway, so how do you... How did you deal with the... Did you like... Do you respond? No, I don't think I responded. I think I just let them kind of do it.

Like, I feel like any type of response just like goes to... I think that tweet was such a blanket response to some of... many people. And I think a couple of guys who had probably said that, really said that, really, like, oh, ha, ha ha, like, you know, kind of maybe saw that and went, oh, I'm not the only, because I'm like, you're not the only one.

It's all the time. Yeah, absolutely. Like, you know, like, yeah, completely. So interesting, though. Yeah, but it wasn't, it wasn't a bad thing. I mean, sometimes, I mean, it's much better than the alternative people being like, you're ugly, you're ugly bitch. You ugly bitch, what? Why are you on television?

But, yeah, no, I think it's incredibly it's a deeply political thing when it comes to doing comedy as a woman and how you look. And it goes the other way as well. Like I'd say someone like, Chrissy Teigen, before she had Twitter, when she tweets, I'm like, what? But you can't be this funny. You're a model.

You're a beautiful model. You're so funny. And it's really, these really kind of so, like, you know, narrow-minded ideas of concept of what people are categorize them online. We've internalized them and we feel ourselves, 100% like realizing them when we see things like that. It's so bizarre. So strange.

But it's nice to constantly be questioning. Always. Yeah. Always question. Love, love, love. Yeah, but just, yeah, you're not weird for liking anyone. No, never. Like who you like.

You're not special. Men, you're not special. You all fancy. We'll call the episode that. It's going to mean you are. Many are special. Okay, so Stevie, we got this joyful feature. You picked the three people.

Oh, yes. So we're playing follow and follow block. Do, do, do, do, do, do. Very quick. Very fun. I love it. So who would you have these three people? Follow and follow blog.

So I've picked Alex Horn, Greg Davies, Ed Gamble. And for context, these are all Tasmasters. Yes, Tasmaster hosts and also friend and taskmaster fellow man. Yes. Okay. Fellow man. Okay. Ed Gamble.

I would block Greg because he doesn't follow me. Oh, fuck him. Yeah. He doesn't follow me and he doesn't give a shit. And he doesn't go on his Twitter as well. So he wouldn't care. Okay, cool. Also fuck him.

Oh, no, actually, you know what? No, no, no. Actually, I changed it in my mind. I would unfollow Greg, follow Alex, and then block Ed, because... Why? Ed would find it funny. Right. He'd get angry.

He'd get furious. Like, if I blocked Alex, why? Alex would be such a sweet man, he'd be like, what did they happen? Yeah, and there's not like a... Yeah, you don't have that kind of, like, bantery, like... Ha-ha, lol, you're a dick, Alex. Exactly. Also, Ed and I...

only argue on Twitter. Yes, I have no to say. We only are, and basically in real life as well, and on text. So basically we'll go from Twitter to the text, and then there's lots of different narratives of arguments going on. So I think if I blocked him, it would just add to this kind of

mythology, I think, of us on Twitter. Yeah, a real mistake. Oh, that's good. Because then there'd be a lot of like, why has Rose Metaferio brought in the example. You might make it to the daily male side box. I might start some stories. I'd love that. That's quite joy. No, I love that. I might just block him.

Yeah, you know, upon that. Just block it. Maybe we should all just block him now. That would be great. Oh, I like Edward Gamble. He's so sweet. He's so great. He's so great. Well, thank you so much, Rose.

That was real fun. And also, for the bits you didn't see, and to see Rose did phone roulette and then stopped on a picture and then told us about it, and it involved a fish. Go to the mic delete later. Instagram TV channel.

At my delete later pod. Yes. And also, can we just say, I love it when people are just honest about social media. Yes. You can sit here and be like, yeah, it's so much fun. Like, I just do it because of my job. But it's just cool to be honest about them to talk about it normally.

I really like your post that you regret. I thought it was really good. Oh, I mean, yeah. And I was too deep. I'm in a real dark mood with social media. So I think I'm going to come on the app. I think we're all like that. It's peaks and troughs.

And there's not enough conversations where people are like, yeah, I don't understand it. Or this is really annoying. Most of them are just like, social's great for your brand. Or it's the worst thing ever. Yeah. What's your Twitter handle? At Rose underscore, Matafayo, as we all know, because I don't have the original.

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