Mike Birbiglia's Working It Out - Nikki Glaser: The Team Captain of Comedy

Episode Date: April 13, 2026

(Recorded May 2025) Nikki Glaser returns to the podcast for the first time since her acclaimed performances as the host of the Golden Globes and on the Roast of Tom Brady. Nikki breaks down her approach to the Golden Globes, explains her perspective on controversial comedy topics, and explores the possibility of a “vegan hour” of comedy. Plus, Nikki’s awkward encounter with Lana Del Ray. Please consider donating to Rescue the Birds Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

I believe you're the team captain of comedy right now. What does that mean? Okay. Texted you this. I wrote, you're a great captain of the comedy team because you're number one, funny above all else. Number two, not pandering. Number three, nice to people. And you responded, thank you, Mike.

Number three, legit means the most. That means so much from you, and I don't believe a word of it. Okay, perfect. It won't ever enter into me, and I cannot process it, and I'll never believe it. it ever. But thank you, and I want to believe it. Thank you. I try. I don't try, actually. I could try harder. That's the problem. That is the voice of the great Nikki Glazer. She's trying. She's not trying. She's the team captain of comedy. I love this episode. This is a re-air of an episode from a year ago. Nikki Glazer's star is only more on the rise. She is

next year hosting the Golden Globes for the third time. She crushed a second time. She has a brand new special on Hulu called Good Girl. She is a riot. I saw the material from this next special in process at the Beacon Theater last year, and it was, I thought it was fantastic. I thought it was some of her best material of her career. So I'm thrilled to see that special.

We have a great conversation today in the podcast. We work out a bunch of jokes. By the way, thanks to everyone who signed up for working it out premium on Apple Podcasts. We work out a lot of jokes on there. It's actually like the premium feed, which you can subscribe to on Apple Podcasts only. It's $4.99 a month. And we put a bonus episode in every month. And you get to listen to every episode of the podcast, all 200 and something episodes with no ads.

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Text Burbigs, B-I-G-I-G-S to 9-1-7-4-4-7-1-5-0 to be the first to know about my upcoming shows. There's a great talk with Nikki Glazer. We talk about the Golden Globes. We talk about doing controversial material. We actually talk about a lot of the material that I think may have ended up in her new special. And maybe a tag made it in. Who knows?

Enjoy my conversation with the great Nikki Glazer. Your special is so funny and it's so dark. Like it's so funny. I was watching it last night. Oh, the suicide chunk? Well, the suicide chunk certainly. Yeah. But I mean, certainly, and that's thematically what it's about in a lot of ways.

Yeah. But I would say the gang bang section. Oh, is that dark? I mean, sort of. I feel like then I didn't do a good, see, I never felt like I finished that bit because to me gangbangs are like I'm trying to celebrate like this is amazing like this woman does it's there's a

sadness to it when they have to do it for like because they have nothing else to do but my the joke that's not working for me about porn is like because I'm having I'm struggling I'm trying to talk about porn addiction and how I can see going to that place because the way where I'm going with porn now or where I'm at

it's not where I started out it's like things that I used to be like I would never do that kind of like I would never shoot up I just take pills I just snort like I doing that with porn. Like, it's starting to progress into, like, stuff that I'm like, I don't want to be into this gangbangs. Like, I just, you know, like, it's, but it's progressed past gangbangs.

The next special is going to explore the next part it is. But my, I was trying to start that, um, bit. I'm already pitching like, what should I do for this bit? No, but I was trying to get into it like. Because you've been on the show before we can, we can jump around. Oh, that's right. But, uh, get me back on track? Gang bang.

Okay, gang bangs. Okay, so I just want to set up the thing that, like, the porn I'm watching is disturbing and it's not ethical. Like the girls in it are not... I think about this all the time. Are not happy. This wasn't their dream. But the lines that I have to prove that, which is no one dreams of playing white trash

horror doesn't work at all. Literally, it doesn't work. But it's like, why doesn't that work? That's the, that was, I was watching a porn once and I was like, oh, that's a funny thing, like title. Yeah. And I'm like, who wants to be the engenue of white trash horror? But like, that is a role that a girl played.

And she didn't want that. I can't lie to myself and be like, this was a funny. her dream. No, I know. But it doesn't work. For some reason, the audience doesn't like it. And then the other proof I have is that, and this one doesn't work either, the porn I watch. This one doesn't work either. It doesn't. And I'm like, I want to ask you why. The porn I watch and so I can tell these, so I don't think it's going to end up in a special because they will not work. So maybe they'll work in this format. They might, though. They might. Because I thought that what you pulled off with the gang bang joke was impressive. Like I, just to just to just to scroll back to

your special. It's like, you have a joke where the premise is, about you enjoy watching porn that has gangbangs. And then your boyfriend, in a hilarious turn, I don't know how much is true and how much is not, does kind of an act out for you, a simulation of a gang bang? Yeah, I mean, it's based in a real thing we did, and then I made it ridiculous.

But he does the voices, maybe, in real life? There's been voices. I mean, I don't think it's like, I think he's put on different, like, gruffness, not, like, really committing to a voice, but it was inspired by true events. My favorite part is when he goes, there's a line of men in the hallway waiting, and you go, that's a train. Oh, yeah, when I correct him?

Yeah. Yeah. That's a great joke. But anyway, the whole thing leads towards, and spoiler alert, the special's been out for two years. So, and whatever. Yeah. I just watch the specials. But, but it all leads to life is a gang bang.

Yes. And it's so satisfying of a punchline. It's just a woman juggling a lot of things at once. And it's like, the more you can juggle, the more impressive of a woman you are. If you can be it all, and, like, in that moment, she's, like, jerking off a guy, taking it in every single whole acting enthusiastic. Like, you think about, like, I realized I liked watching it because I related to that. Right. And I feel like that I'm still exploring that, like, with the stuff.

Like, now I'm into, like, the next feat of athletic. Like, I think this is my sexual thing, too, so it's kind of mixed in, but it's all mixed into stand-up, too. I like when people are disgusted by me, but they're also, like, damn. Damn. That's my Venn diagram discussed and like, fuck, I got to be impressed. And that's the same kind of reaction that certain porn I watch has where it's like, she's doing that? What the fuck? That's pretty awesome. I like when people have that reaction about my stand-up too. No, I think that that's great. And I think it's like, that's, I think part of the reason

I like your stand-up so much because I'm trying to do something analogous, which is like, if I can go to the saddest topics, if I can talk about cancer or sleepwalking or death and all these things. Sleepwalking, one of the saddest topics. Cancer, sleepwalking. Jumping through his sleepwalk. Of course, of course.

No, I think about you every time I see a La Quinta. Or whenever I get a ground floor, I'm going on Mike Barbiglia tonight. Ground floor. Not feeling safe, but if I had his thing, I would be. If I had his thing. But I do try to do that thing, which is like if you can bring an audience to a dark place or a sad place and you can come out the other side of that, that's, I think that's the best kind of comedy.

Yeah, I like talking about things that people don't talk about. Yeah. That's my thing. That's my kink. I like it on stage. I like doing it where it's like, what's wrong with it? Like, if it's actually offensive, I don't have any interest. But if it's just like, I'm just telling the truth, why are you offended? Yeah, yeah. Oh, I love that. I love when I tell a joke where I'm like, what am I saying that's offensive here?

Right. What are you going, oh, about, let's unpack it. There was one recently where I'm like, I like say something to people who are molested in the crowd. Yeah. And I like, and people get so weird and I'm like, just, oh, no, no, no. No, the joke that I have right now is I was talking about,

I have a joke about like, I think fat people are discriminated against in society. And if you don't think that they are, next time you're with your fat friend, be like, as a fat person, do you feel discriminated against? I dare you. And I go, why wouldn't you if there's nothing wrong with being fat? Yeah. You know, like, if there's no discrimination, what's wrong with saying you wouldn't like?

And so I like having a thing where it seems like I'm making a fat joke, but I'm not, I'm making a joke proving that you're uncomfortable with fat people. And why are you, like, that's not the best example of it, but I just like when people get offended and I get to go, you don't get to be. It's very passive aggressive. No, I think it's fun. I think that, like, I love it when comedians challenge their audience to just go, oh, yeah, I guess that is something that I'm repressed about talking about it. Oh, I'll have a better example. I say something about, oh, I'm talking about pedophiles. I have a really big petaphyl chunks out.

Oh, yeah, I saw it. It's a great hour. Oh, God, God. Your hour at the beacon was amazing. God, it's so much better to talk to you about when you haven't seen it. But you've been so nice. It sounds real nice. I have this whole talk about pedophiles. It's really edgy.

I can't wait for you to see it. You're like, I have. I nearly forgot about it. I have a funny anecdote about it, which is the week afterwards I saw you at the beacon. Because I was at the beacon for six shows, and then you were at the beginning, I think, for six shows. It was like back to back. And I did a spot on one of your nights. You were nice enough to have me on.

Nice enough. Are you kidding me? But it was, no, it was super fun. It was a good hang. It was a bunch of awesome comments. Oh, and it was like, and I'm at, like, pick up for my daughter's school, and a bunch of the parents were like, oh, I saw Nikki Glazer at the Beacon Peter. And that's how famous you are now. And it's such a funny thing.

I'm like, that's my friend. I go, I was on the Thursday night. I did a spot. And the parents were like, you were on stage? Yeah, I do this too, you know. Do they not look at you like that? I don't think so. I don't know.

Of course they do. If they know who Nikki Glazer is, they know who Mike. No, I don't know. But it's great. What does that, we'll circle back to the edgy. Yes, yes, yes, sure. We'll circle back to the joke, but I will say, like, what does that feel like to have that kind of household named them?

Like, what's the best thing about it and what's the worst thing about it? Ooh, well, you've, I think you've been here. So I think the best thing about it is that you get, like, free desserts a lot. Because if you call and say it's a reservation for Nikki Glazer, and they, like, if they clock it or if someone in their system clocks it, you're going to get some free dessert. And you're going to pay for it in the tip anyway. Sure.

You know, you're going to, but it's still, you have to eat a dessert. But you're not going to eat it. Yeah. So that's great. That's nice. That's really nice. And it's cool to, like, show my family that I am. Like, I made it.

Like, I don't think I'm household yet, but I'm, like, adjacent. And so that's, like, a big achievement because I really didn't think I was ever going to be a household name. I had given up on that long ago. I was totally fine with never being that. So it's just nice. that it like came up when I at least accepted it. And then the worst thing is, I don't think there's any bad things.

Huh? It makes you rich. It does. And being rich is comfortable. And it makes you, it's true. And people are, you know what's the coolest thing?

You get to give the gift of like yourself to like, if you meet people and you're cool to them and you take a picture or something. You get to like make people's day. Like, again, I have a joke right now where I get, I always get recognized. Girls will recognize me when they spray tan me.

but they won't say it until I'm naked. And they go, my boyfriend and I are such big fans. And I was like, well, I'm excited for you to tell them about my naked body later tonight. And she goes, I would never do that. And I go, I would. Tell them about my boobs. Take it in. Because, like, there's no way she's not.

But also, she gets to see her, a person she's a fan of naked. That's kind of a gift. That is so funny. I would kill to see. Like, some of the people, if someone, if Taylor Swift walked into a tanning place that I was doing, and I wouldn't tell anyone about it. It would be like, I'm not going to say Taylor Swift, but like someone, because she's on a different level.

I don't want to, but like, I don't know, just someone I liked on that. Jason Bateman. Yes. I would love it. I would keep it a, again, I would keep a secret. I wouldn't be telling people. I wouldn't, like, talk about his whatever I saw, but like, I probably would. Right.

I probably would. And that's a gift to have a celebrity story and they're naked. But you don't have any self-consciousness about that? No, because I talk about what my vagina looks. Like, and I describe what I describe is worse than what it is. Right. And I'm not ashamed of my body when I'm doing those things. Like when it's in a medical procedure like a spray tan.

Circling back. I have a question about Alive and Unwell. I think it's a great title. Thanks. That's going to be the special title, right? I don't know. It's such a good title. Okay.

Yeah. You know how I think so? Someday You'll Die was, I think, one of the best titles I've ever come up with and we'll ever come up with. And so, and that wasn't the name of the tour. So I leave it open. But I do think alive and unwell is a good name for special. Describe to me, and I agree with you, but describing me why you think someday you'll die is a great title. It gets the people going.

Oh, interesting. Like, it's like someday you'll die. It's just like, I just feel like it's like you go, okay, whoa, we all know it. It's just, it's like offensive. But again, it seems offensive, but it's not. Right. It's a shot of espresso. Yeah.

I mean, I've had some bad names in the past, but actually, no. I stand by all of them. I like them all. Do you like all yours? I like all mine. I have second guesses sometimes about the Broadway show, The New One. Because whenever I say it, people just go like, wait, the new one? Who's up first?

There's a special called The New One. Yes. You know, and it's like, ah, there is a part of me that kind of bums me out, that that is a conversational confusion. That you have to live with forever and ever. Yeah, but I love the old man in the pool as a title. But I think the new one is, it's too good. It's too good of a title. And it's too good of a special and it just fits with it too much.

You just have to suffer. That's so sweet. You know what's so funny is in your special you make like this extraordinarily good case for not having children. You came to the new one, which is about me having a child and is very emotional. And you were emotional afterwards. Yeah. And so it's like where do those two things meet? Oh, but my dad.

You're a dad. Oh, that I'm a dad. I would be a dad. Without question. I would love to be. a dad. It seems, it seems hard, but not too hard. But being a mom seems too hard. And that's what I'm exploring in the next. So you're emotional. Okay, so you're, yeah, I love that material. So you're emotional when you watch mine because you're in my shoes as a dad. Yeah. You're like living my experience as a dad.

Yeah. And it's, I think it's, you know, even it's, it's maternal too. Like, it's the same feeling, but you get to have it because it's a little, to me, I would do what you're doing because it seems a little bit easier. Yeah. easy by any means. I just exaggerate that for the stage. But like, I think that it's, yeah, I get to live out even what I would feel as a mother through you as a father. I think love is the same feeling.

You just have to do less. Right. And so that's why you will get to feel it and I probably won't. Right. So, but I do get to feel it through your stuff. And I'm good on love. I feel very loved. Yeah.

The thing I'm worried about is I'm going to want kids when my parents die because they're still kick in and they're my best friends and it's unconditional love it's me you know it's my lineage so i think if they go i'll have this like i might the scaffolding might give way and i'm like i'll be but then i'll adopt they're pretty young though my dad's 70 my mom's yeah 65 so it's like i mean they're gonna they can't be forever yeah someday you'll die you're like the best case scenario of a child like if my daughter treated me as well as you treat your parents. I am the best daughter ever. Mom, you're watching this.

You know. She, like, I do, I learned from Kathy Griffin. Remember how she would just bring her parents everywhere? Yeah. They're fun. They're hilarious. Yeah. They keep me grounded.

They don't, they're impressed by me because they're so supportive, but they're not too impressed. So it's just like, they're just great hangs. And I pay for everything. It's like, they're my kids. My mom is always, I can't. Nikki, I'm not letting you pay for that. You can't.

Who buys their mama facelift? Who does that? I go, I do. Oh, my God. And you need one. You don't need one. You want one. And I'm going to buy one for you.

This is, we're all over the place. But I feel like people can follow it. That's going to be the name of my next tour. All over the place? Because that's kind of the vibe. Yeah, I like that. I might have you take this out, but maybe I'll just keep it because I'm going to talk about it in a

perfect way or at least try to. So I woke up to a text from a writer that I've worked with for a while and it was to like a group chat and he's to a bunch of writers on this chat and he said, oh, I was at this party tonight. It's kind of eccentric party and I ended up talking to this girl who gorgeous but, you know, definitely funny and kooky and was in this conversation and she asked me what I did and I said, oh, I write and she said, what do you work on? and I mentioned Nikki and she said, oh, I like her, but I wish she wasn't so dirty. And he goes, and I walked, then she walked away.

And my friend came up to me and goes, what were you talking to Lana Del Rey about? Oh, my God. And I was so sad because I love Lana Del Rey. Brilliant. And also she's dirty. I thought she would have been into that stuff. And now I'm like, oh, my God.

And now it was helpful advice. Literally, it was helpful advice. And she's in, but at first I was like, how dare she? What? And then I was like, I've got some notes too for her. Like, we can't, she's one of the best brilliant artists ever. Oh, yeah, one of the grades. And yet I'm entitled to not like things of hers.

I definitely, there's songs that I'm like, eh, so she's allowed to be eh about me. Like, I can't be like, she doesn't like me. She just wants me to be less dirty. I like took the note and I'm working on it. Are you serious? Yeah, because I think not just to appeal to her, but to appeal to people like her. like people that I could be sharing my message with, but that are turned off because they're like,

oh, I hear she's too dirty, and I just don't want to hear that. Some people are deeply uncomfortable by it. It's not even like they're prude. They're just like, ew, it's gross. So. Well, that's why when I was starting out, I veered towards being cleaner for the exact reason,

which is that there's certain people who just can't hear cursing. They can't hear whatever. And so, like, I was like, well, I don't want to lose those people. Exactly. I think I can connect with those people. So I veered cleaner, but I'm not fully clean.

No, you've gotten a little bit, like, more honest. Yeah, I think so. In terms of what subjects interest you or what, you know, you don't, if you want to go somewhere, you'll go somewhere. You go dark, too. Yeah, it's pretty dark. Yeah, you go real dark. The special that comes out in May, and it's pretty dark, yeah, the Good Life. That's a good name.

Thanks. Yeah, I'm excited about it. And you can use all those old The Good Life shirts as merch. Go get those. Go get those. Go get those with the little stick figure that was just always like, chilling in a hammock.

The Golden Globes was unbelievable. Yeah, Jenny and I watched you and the Golden Globes were just like, she's just every, she's killing every second. And threading the needle, which is, someone's hosting something, whether it's an award show

or their local co-op meeting. Yeah. What are your tips for hosting something? You need to come out of the gate right away strong. Okay. So you need a joke, the shortest joke possible. Welcome to the Golden Globes, OZempex Biggest Night. Yep, great.

Like right away. I mean, we took forever. I was like, I just wanted to be quicker. And they're like, it's literally the first sentence. You're saying a sentence. It was other stuff we were trying, I forget. And then that one was just like, oh, good. There's no words between the joke and what it is.

Yeah. And I also think, like, especially if I'm giving advice to people who are scared to public speak, I think this is just actually something that people need to know. Remember that when you're watching someone public speak, you're not wishing they do a bad job. No one's in the audience going like, look how nervous they are. I hate them. I hope they're more nervous.

Everyone's rooting for you. Right. And I think that kind of attitude, like, can help you. Just think about how you are when you watch someone nervous and how you want them to feel. Like, you just have compassion for them. You're not like, look at this idiot. Yeah.

No one's doing that to you in your classroom presentation. Like I was a nervous speaker in high school and middle school, like, wouldn't get up in front of people would come in during recess to give the presentations because I would shake so bad. And I just wish someone would have said, Nikki, no one's like wanting you to be bad. Totally. Everyone's just like wanting you to be comfortable. And so remember that and listen to a meditation beforehand. That's like a performance meditation. Well, that's nice. I don't do it, but I think it would work. I would do it if I needed to feel like you could do this. Yeah. Like a sports one.

Like they have ones for sports. So I would do that. Like if I was just giving a presentation at work and I was nervous, that's what I do. Do you, it's funny. It didn't occur to me until I went. Wait, one more thing. This is too good because people might actually need this. I learned on mass singer.

If you want to, like your heart's just going crazy and you're shaking and you feel like you're going to pass out because you're so nervous, hold your breath for four seconds and then let it out slowly. So, okay. Four seconds because it'll slow your heart right away. And I learned it on the mass singer. you need your vocal cords to be so like, you need to be like relaxed and I would get tense right before and it just makes you relax.

Right. So that's a good one that I didn't know until recently. So I want to pass it on. We have to get back to the topic that we were on about dark jokes. Yeah. What was the, how did we arrive in that? Yeah, yeah. So I do a pedophilia chunk and I do the,

I think one of the darkest things I stand stage that I get away with and I don't know how is that I talk about like pedophiles when they like realize they're pedophile because I listen to a lot of true crime podcast. And I've listened to, like, interviews with pedophiles, like, how does this happen? Yeah. And the thing, a lot of times, they just do the thing where you go, what, I want to fuck it? I go, you know how, like, you've thought that before because you have, you know it's a thing.

You have to ask yourself that. Right. And they kind of, they usually laugh, but if they don't, I go, and if you haven't, like, I think you're scared of the answer. And then that, like, gets them for like, so they can't be mad anymore because they know that's true. Like if you, and if you, and most of us pass it, you know, and we go, yes. Like, oh my God, that makes me sick.

and you're like, oh, you're not that thing. But some guys go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But that's really dark. But guess what? I think child abuse is one of the worst things that can happen. It's the worst thing for society, it's like where, why we're in the state we're in is because these people did not learn empathy because they were abused as children, whether emotionally, physically, physically, spiritually. And the cycle repeats itself. And if we don't.

talk about it? No, I know. Then if kids are, if people are made to feel ashamed of getting molested, which is, it's in the air because everyone goes, you can't talk about it, that's too dark. Yeah. Why is it too dark? Did that person, it's not a bad thing that that happened to her. That was, it was like a car accident.

She could talk about being in a car accident when she was five, but she can't talk about being molested when she was five because it makes everyone feel weird. Or she, like, you know, and both those things can be very triggering things. I'm not telling people I feel, because some people have been like, Nikki, some people don't want to talk about their molestations. It's too much for them. then that's fine. But I don't think we should live in a world where that's really weird.

You brought that up. It's like it's happening all around us. And it's a very simple way to make it stop is if everyone just is able to report it and talk about it natural. I've always felt that way about, you know, I bring this up in one of my books where I got really emotional when I saw the movie. It was about all the abuse in the Catholic Church. Tom McCarthy directed this movie. It's a brilliant movie. I think it's one of the best movies in the last 25 years.

But I cried and cried and cried when I saw it. And I think it's because I grew up in that repressive Catholic Massachusetts, Altar Boy universe. And the movie is about putting a spotlight on things like that. Yes. And that's what jokes do too. I don't want to get on my like high horse about like, that's our job as comedians. Like that's, but like if you're a good comedian artist, which it's okay if you're not, if you just want to make people laugh and get the easy joke or whatever you do.

Like I think even like goofy stuff that's not saying something is important. Yeah. But I'm saying if you want to say something, I think we have to. My only job, I think, is to talk about things that people don't know how to say themselves where they haven't heard yet on TV. Because I get to say it because I'm in a... The things I stay live on stage on my tour, they're not going into special. They're insane.

And I'm like, how cool is it that I get to feel safe saying things into a microphone in front of thousands of people? And if this gets out, my life is kind of fucked. That's so funny. It's a thrill. It feels like shoplifting again. I'm like, like, I will go to bed after a night of a show and I'm like, oh my God, if someone unrecorded that one line and took it out of context, I'm cooked. You know, it's so, that's a, that's such a great way of looking at it.

But that's how cool that I get to do that still? Like, I feel safe enough even in this, we don't even take people's phones. I probably should start now that I put this out there, people are going to be like, but now I catch them. I go, I can stop filming, stop filming. I just go quick. Because I go, if you want to film comedians, get a matte case because we can see the shine off your, or put your hand in front of it.

But I'm really, like, fired up. I've been working on this pedophile joke for literally, like, it skipped, it hasn't made it into two different specials. And the other night I go, the pet of all jokes not going in the special. And when I got off stage the other night to my friends, I was like, it's, it can't. It's just like, it's one of those jokes

that can only take place there because I think out of context, people could just destroy me over it and be like, I'm on the wrong side of things or I'm being insensitive. But the truth is, I'm like, like, all four people, like, if you were molested, like I'm writing it for you.

Even though I wasn't molested, I could still write a joke for people who have been. I have a lot of empathy. Even though I'm not fat, I'm like trying to write a joke about fat people and I'm not fat.

Yeah. But I could be. Yeah. And I would like to be. I would like to live in a world where I could be and wouldn't feel like I would be treated less than. And I'm angered by that.

And so I want to say something about it. So it's like, I'm kind of, it's kind of scary to talk about things. It's like, you don't have a right to talk about that. You're not that thing. Sure. But why can I? I could have a bad take actually on this thing.

I'm allowed to. Right. That's when people that bothers me. He's like, you can't talk about that because you didn't. It's like, well, I can have a horrible take. That's still okay too. I can have a horrible take. Yeah.

I have the take of someone who hasn't experienced it. Yeah. Actually, I can talk about molestation because it hasn't happened to me. Yeah. That's actually why, like, if it happened to me, I probably, like, I was anorexic and I can make jokes here and there about it and I can talk about it seriously, but comedically, I can't. But other people, I mean, I have lines here and there, but my own experience with it, there's like too much pain and like shame there.

Yeah. And so someone else could probably talk about it and say some things that I can't because it didn't happen to them. This is the slow round. What is a song that makes you cry? It depends on my mood. But, you know,

I just cue up a song of what I'm going through. But I remember one that was like really heartbreaking was the drugs don't work by the Verve. I remember hearing that song and being like, I think this is the saddest song I've ever heard. And I like sent it to my dad. with an emotional email attached that he never really wrote back to.

So it just was like, you need to hear this. It's just about someone, they love, like, dying of cancer and it's not working and they're going to go. Oh, my God. And it's so good. The verve underrated. What about you? I've answered this before.

I'll answer it again. I can't make you love me. Oh. Funny rate. Why does that one hit for you? What's going on? I think it's because it's at the heart of, so many feelings of, of, like, so many things, you know,

so many things in your life are out of your control. Yeah. I feel like that that's what that song's about. Do you know what's written, why it was written? No, I know she didn't write it. Yeah, so that song, I think, was about a guy, the guy that wrote it, like, witnessed some interaction in court, whether he was in jury duty or something, of, you know, a marital dispute.

And it was a guy really wanting to, like, stay together with this woman. And it was just the divorce was finalized. And his, like, last statement after he kind of did his thing was like, and I can't make you love me if you don't. Wow. And then the person just, the songwriter, like, wrote it down. I can't make her love. Like, he was just some, like, it was like.

Oh. But that is really, I mean, that's. It's deep to me, right? Because it's like, I think I'm a bit of a control freak. I think that that's one of my Achilles heels. Oh. Did you ever love someone and they didn't love you? It's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, that.

That's why I pick people who can never love. Like, that's why I, like, when they start to let me, I'm like, this is boring. Oh, God, yes. I live for someone who doesn't love me. Even though my parents love me so much. Right. I just didn't believe it. I think that's it.

Because by all accounts, they did, but I just didn't buy it. I didn't get it. You did the quality control on it. You didn't pass. I didn't believe, like, I didn't let it in. And because my mom's always like, but we, I did hug you. And there's, like, evidence of it. I'm like, you didn't hug me.

That's why I'm desperate for strangers' attention. It's like I realize now they did love me as a normal child that would have been enough. But for me, I needed something more. Is there a group that wouldn't let you in ever in your life? All the time. Yeah. Like I feel like that's also what drives me is like I want to be one of the popular girls. Right.

I want to be in that play. Right. I want to be one of the best singers in Acapella. I want to be seen as one of the, as acceptance. And I just, I never was, and now I am. Yeah. And I don't believe it. So why now?

Why did it take 40 years? Yeah. I think all the, I have a lot, a track record of proving that I'm not worthy of being special. And now I am, I'm just kind of like, too little too late. Like, I'm not, like, it's never happened before. I've never been, like, no one's ever been like, you're the best. Or like, any kind of, like, not saying that, like, even one of the best.

Like, I don't relate to being. I was always, it's not the popular, I was a minus student, A minus popularity, which is fine. But as someone who wants to be the best, it's very frustrating. But then I made peace with it. And now it's here and I just, and now once you get it, it's like, I can't even enjoy it. As I didn't enjoy going to the popular kids' house when I did get invited. Right. Stress out the whole time that I didn't belong there.

I think this, I think you should do this in the special. Yeah, I think I'm getting into like having low self-esteem or just like. Because this is thematically a lot of what you're talking about. talking about in that beacon hour that I watch. We've been trying to, like, me and my team, I've been trying to be like, what do I want to say? Like, I've been asking myself that and it's like, or no, they've been saying something that's interesting

about your life right now that you haven't been able to talk about in specials is that you got famous. Why don't you talk about being famous? People want to hear that and I'm like, but I don't have anything to say about it. But that is something to say about it, is that it's reaching a new level that I have since the Tom Brady Roast hasn't brought me more happiness.

I mean, it has in terms of the desserts and the money and stuff, but like, but it's not made me believe in myself anymore. In fact, I feel like there's so much more to lose now if someone figures out that I'm not good. And so now it's just like I got to, I just really want to let go of that stuff. Is there a story?

Because you were saying like I was invited to the popular girl's house eventually and I didn't. Is there a story around that? Yeah, do you have it? Do you have a story? I have so many stories of being a popular girl's house. Because I feel like that should be in the show. Because I feel like thematically that's the show's a,

out already. Yes. But I think if you had like a childhood story where we're like, oh my God, of course I, we've all been there. We've all been the unpopular kid who gets invited like one time to the popular kids. Well, oh yeah. Well, you know, it was always just like, I thought this was like a funny image that I, but I don't know how to make it something because I always feel this way whenever I go to like a golden globe, like not golden globes because I host it, but even there I was just kind of like, I'm sorry I'm here.

Like I'd be in the crowd doing a thing and I'd just be like, no, talk to me, whereas everyone was like, we don't want to talk to her because she's hosting, and I'm like, they hate me, and they're mad, I'm here, and they think I'm a fraud. But just always going in, like, one person, like, were you popular? No, it was, like, a winding road. Yeah, so you're the same kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, in and out, in and out. You would, like, become friends with someone in class that was of the popular group,

but they were maybe lower level or, like, one of, like, the chill stoner guys, I'd befriend him. He would invite me to the popular hang. Yeah. No one else there knew I was coming. and then it's all like, why is she here? And by that time, Gavin's in the bathroom. So I can't be like, Gavin brought me.

So it's just like, I just appear. Oh, God. And you like, they only notice you because you knock over like something. That's a great. Why are you here? Who invited her? I'm like, Gavin and he's nowhere. He's getting high outside.

And so, like, that's always how I feel at things is like, the person who brought me there isn't explaining to people why I'm here. And so it looks like I've snuck in. Like at the comedy seller. Yeah. I remember Amy and Amie. Anthony back in the day, you know, 2009 or whatever, bringing me to the cellar, 10, and me being back at that table being like, I don't belong here.

I need to get the fuck out of here. Like, Esty's here tonight. Like, I've only heard about her. It's a Saturday night. And I order food. They're like, it's fine. Nick, it's fine. You're with us.

We're regulars, which they were. They go down to like watch Aziz or something. They're like, stay here because your food's coming. I stay there. I'm alone at the table. Chris Rock walks in. And Esty sees me. And he sees the table.

turns around and goes, gets a booth. Oh, no. But I don't have time to even, like, leave or anything. And Askey's just like, who are you? Like, nightmare. Nightmare. Because I didn't even want to be there in the first place. I fought sitting there.

And then all of a sudden it looks like I'm like, this is my table. And I don't even work there. She doesn't even know my name. I'm so glad she didn't remember me as that person. Cut to Chris Rocks at your Beacon Show with Podmalachshmi, like 10 years later. Cut to. Yeah. And, yes.

It's, like, I did belong there, but, like, that's always how I feel. It's like I somehow tricked someone. Do you have that? Do you have imposter? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Certainly.

Oh, yeah, yeah, all day. I mean, yeah, of course. I think, like, it's similarly, though, it goes in and out. Like, I'll have weeks where I'm going, like, no, I'm actually pretty good at this. And then I'll have weeks where I go, I am fundamentally not funny. No, I've, it's a crazy, it's a crazy feeling to be like, I'm fundamentally not. funny and I'm walking in front of a thousand people. I'm the least funny person. Maybe that's in this place. These people are all funnier than me because they, they are going to see a show of someone

who is funnier. And I was only funnier then because I had the right help. Like I was just a tribute anytime I kill it. Because there have been times where I'm like, couldn't have gone better. Yeah, I nailed it. I'm great. Yeah. But I just go because of all these people that help me. Yeah. All these other reasons that weren't me. Or I just got lucky that someone else turned that down. Yeah. Also, I had enough time. And also, like, the movies were really good to make fun of.

So I just lucked out. Like, you can't compare me to someone who had, who, you can't say I'm better than this so-and-so host. Well, some you can, but, like, others, you can't. Because I had more to work with because I had wicked. Like, I'll make any excuse why I did well. That's really funny. Because.

Because. Because. Because. Yeah. Yeah. Anyone could have done that. I wrote down tons of notes during your show. Thank you so much.

That's more notes than I've taken on my show. Oh, really? Honestly, yes. It's so funny. This is, I don't know if this will translate, but you go, people criticize people at plastic surgery. They go, she ruined her face. Do you still do this? Yeah, yeah.

But I haven't broken it yet. What's the joke, though? Well, there is no joke. Okay. The joke is, well, she didn't want this. Like, why are you getting mad at her? Like, no one would ask for this. Right.

She wishes she had died during anesthesia. She has to walk around like this. Why are you mad at her? So then I wrote down, it's like being like, she shat her pants. It's like if she, what I wrote out is, it's like if she shed her pants and people are like, her pants were so clean before she shit in them. Yes, it was an accident.

Yeah, no, I know she didn't mean to shit in her pants. Why did you shit your pants? Yeah. Why did you choose to do that? Yes, the only thing it's missing for me is that I want the analogy to have the effort behind it. The effort that goes into it. Doing something.

Or so maybe she was trying to fart. Doing something it went wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She was trying to fart and she shit her pants. That's right. Just trying to pass gas in a very discreet way. She didn't mean for this to happen. It went south.

It went too far. Yeah, and now you're mad at her. She's walking around with shit on her pants all night. Yeah. It can, she can't fix it. Her pants were so clean before she shed. They were so clean. Why did you ruin your pants?

She was trying to fart. I used to jerk off to your pants and now I can't anymore because you've ruined it. But there's also the thing of like. You used to jerk off to your pants. No, because men are the ones that are mostly say she ruined her face. Like I hear men in my life who I love. who I love, who like love women or feminists are like, God, what did she do to her face? She ruined it.

I'm like, she's trying to stay hot for you. It didn't go well. But I promise you, she's trying to keep her looks up for the patriarchy. Not to use that, you know, make it unalive or something, whatever. You can't use that word on you'll get demonetized. Oh, right. I don't really think so. But like it is a, it's not a good word to throw out there if you want people to listen to you.

But it's like true. Like, don't be mad at her. she's trying to look pretty. And then you had this joke about when people who have been molested should have a separate boarding line at the airport. They should board before veterans.

Before veterans. I don't even think, it's active service, but active service doesn't work. People just think it's active. Can veterans board? I don't think veterans get to board early, but for some reason,

no one questions it. Oh, it's only active service? It's active service. But active service isn't funny as veterans. That's crazy. I know because, but then it would be a big group. We're not that giving.

I just wrote. we're now boarding Mosaic. Okay, now molested. Yes. And then I wrote, get in the back, which is like kind of a really dark joke. That is fucked up.

Yes. It's too far. Because the only reason that won't work for me there is because I want to go so, I want to be like, this is still in the part of the joke where I'm like, it's awesome you're molest. Like you survive something,

you get all, like. No, of course. So you want to uplift people who have been through it. But then I do throw a little jab later on That's just like a dumb molestation joke, but that's a perfect kind. It's just too early because I'm trying to gain their trust. Like what happened when they were on the phone?

Do you have been doing the Wiggles No Meat and Greet line? Yes, every time. And I love it because I get to, you gave me that line. And I won't, you'll see it in the special. Okay, okay, okay, okay. But I love it because it's just like, it's actually like a third tag. Like they don't see it coming. Oh, good.

one more that's just like, it's great. You have a great line, which is people are nicer to you when you're symmetrical. Yeah, because I'm trying to figure out how to say. Which is so dark of a thought, but also to your point earlier, when it's true. It's true. Then what are you going to do? That's your experience of life. It's not even my experience.

People are nicer to meet when I'm symmetrical. I experience it for sure. But I also have proof. I looked into studies that prove people make more money when they're attractive. they have better lives. It is honestly, that's a whole other thing. Like, I really want to make a whole section about ugly people and how they are discriminated people,

people who are asymmetrical or who are like jarring to look at, it's really hard to talk about it because people go, that's so mean, but it's like, it's not mean. It's literally what their faces. It's not symmetrical equals harmonious and like of nature, you know, and things that aren't make you kind of go, it doesn't mean you're a bad person. It just means you were born with an abnormality,

which is fine. but you get treated worse and it's worse discrimination than any of the discriminations in the workplace. And so it actually is like once I looked into it I was like, no I need to like

shout out to ugly people and by the way I could become an ugly person it's like I could get disfigured in some kind of accident that would make me make people like scared to work with me or look at me and so it's like it needs and I'm going to get old

which equals less symmetrical just like less right less vibrant less ovulating. And so thus, I don't want to say ugly, but not as pleasing to the eye. Sure. And so it's going to befall all of us.

You go, adopted kids. Oh, yeah. May have more than dog love? Yeah, I mean, it's a... No, it's not may. They definitely do, but, like, it's a point about adopting. Can you say it? Yeah.

No, that's about how, like, I don't want to have kids, and if I don't want them now, I'll probably, like, age out and need to, if I want to, if I change my mind later, I'll have to adopt, which I think will be easier because I don't, you don't love them as much. And then people groan, but they know it's true. And it's not a bad thing to say. It's more than dog love. And everyone would argue, like, dog love is huge. More than dog. Dog love is huge.

It's so huge. Here's what I wrote down. Definitely more than plants. Yes, yes. Well, there is a hierarchy. But wait a second. There was a bit I wanted to work on. Has it been done before of like when people...

Here's what I wrote. I wrote Azaleas, Gold Retriever, adopted kids, your kids. Just kids in general? Yeah, yeah. Kids in general. Your kids. Do you love adopted kids less than just the idea of kids? Yeah, yeah.

I like the idea of a hierarchy. Yeah. Did you have a dog before you had a kid? Did you and your wife? When I was a kid, but then we had cats. You had cats? Yeah. I want to write a bit about when, and I think it's like well-trod territory,

but I don't know that there's been a stand-up bit about how like when people have kids, they like, they're dogs that they used to have an Instagram for that was the center of their life, like dies of neglect within two weeks. Like what, people hate their dog that they want, like my friends are like, I literally hate my dog. Because they have a baby. This is great. It's so.

But I'm like, because I love my dog, it's enough for me, but it is interesting to me that like even my friends who love their dog more than I even love my dog are like, where is she, I don't know where she is. She's matted hair. I barely look at her. I don't even want to be, she smells bad to me. And they used to like cuddle all night. It changes because new love comes in. Which part is wrong. Which part is wrong.

None of it. I know. It's all true. And yes, there's going to be times where it's not true. People get mad at you when they go, that's not true for me. No. No one gets mad at you like that? I don't pause enough for people to heckle me.

Here's my main thing on your hour, which is like my favorite thing in your last hour is the thing where your boyfriend role plays a gang bang for you. I'm so glad you liked that. It's so funny. But I think I love it because it's a story and I get who you are. I get who he is and I get the dynamic between you. I love you as a couple because he does this thing for you. Yes. About this really extreme thing about you, right?

Yeah. And I feel like I want more of that in this hour. Like, I'm just like... You want more Mike Barbiglia. I know, but... It's okay. You've accused me of this before as friends. We like what we do.

No, we like each other's act, but we also... We want to... We see potential. We see potential. No, but it's so funny you've said this to me before. Where you're like, people always give advice of like the thing they do. I do. It's not too, though.

I know. And I get so mad and I go, why aren't they doing what I do? It's like, because it's not their style. But actually that I don't do what you do because I'm scared of it. No, but even if you. It's like the crowdwork thing, like telling stories I've just never did it. I started out as a one-liner comic. It's only like because I've written enough jokes about one thing that I ever even

produce a story out of it. I'm begging you to go to the cellar and on stage tell the story as you remember. of your guy friend taking you to like an all-girls cool party. I'm telling you. Mike, I'm begging you. I'm telling you right now, I know what will happen and there'll be a few punchlines, but I will be too nervous because it's such a departure from how I perform that if I was maybe on a storytelling show and someone was asking me about it, I can get there,

but I need to know where the punches are. I couldn't just be like, let me just work this out. Here's my theory on people who tell jokes but don't do stories. But maybe I'll trust. Well, I just think all you need is a beginning and an end. Because as long as the audience knows there's an end, they're like, okay, this will be fine. Oh, okay. You need beginning and end.

And then like two jokes in between. That's really great advice. And just throw it up there and just see what happens. Okay. Fundamentally you're funny in your bones and it will be funny. And then the next time you do it, you'll have three punchlines. The next time you do it, you'll have four punchlines and that will be a fucking story. It'll be in your special.

Okay. That's really good advice. As long as I know where I'm going and I have an out, because I think that's, of course, that's the right way to do it, but I never thought of it that way, and that's great advice. I just had a couple jokes that I was like, oh, these are up your alley and also made me, your special made me think of some of these jokes that I've written,

which is if my wife had sex with someone else, I would be fine with it as long as she told me something annoying about the guy. Yes, yes. Oh my God, if you could gossip afterwards. Yeah. if she was like, I slept with this guy and it was great, but he was so dumb. And I'd be like, that's my girl.

Yes, that's my point. I don't care if my boyfriend hooked up with other girls because I know I'm cooler. I have that self-esteem in terms of that part of our relationship. And as long as, but you can't talk about me to her. Yes. Yes. My thing is like, that's the cheating.

That's the full cheat. The cheating is don't watch White Lotus with her. Oh. You can do whatever you want physically, but you do not watch the new love on the spectrum. That's pretty deep, actually, what you're saying, I think. Physical? It's like someone else cooking you a meal for you. I don't care.

If I cook for you every night and then you went out, whatever. If you watch your show with someone else. It's like, you would rather be alone than with it. It's like, it's so hurtful. And then the tag of that is because the least fun part of an affair is you can't tell anyone. That's why the most fun part is telling your husband. And if he doesn't kill you, it'll make the marriage stronger. Yes.

I've thought of that before. Like, I actually am into my boyfriend having a girlfriend. If we could, like, I wouldn't care if he could juggle both of us. Yeah. Talk it out. But as long as you complain about it to me and, like, I get to hear about it. Yeah. What was your other point there?

The least fun part of an affair is you can't tell anyone. Yes. It's fun to, when you're falling in love with someone, it's really fun to talk about. And it's got to be. That's why guys that cheat or women that cheat Always get busted because they will find a way To talk about their secretary to their wife In a different way

Just like, oh, and this girl said this funny thing That's a way to, if you think someone's, it's a tell They'll just because they are dying to talk about their crush Because it's in all of us to do that, so that's a tell Oh, okay, so then I have This I thought was interesting in relation to all of your animal activism stuff is I was writing about the ethics of porn

and how I don't support the ethics of how porn is made, but to me it's kind of like the ethics of eating meat. It's like I've watched all the documentaries about the meat industry, but I also love fried chicken sandwiches. And I believe that those contradictions can coexist peacefully, and I think they're going to have to because I don't think people are going to stop eating fried chicken sandwiches while watching porn. Okay, I like where that comes around.

And I actually, I love that argument because it's the way I feel about porn. It's like I stopped eating meat because I didn't want to stop eating meat. I love it, but I stopped because I saw the truth. But why isn't it working for porn if I watch a documentary about how grim this is? And the difference is women can talk and like ask for help. Oh, my God. Your chicken can't. That is dark as hell.

And that brings us back to parrots. Parrots are the only bird that doesn't get eaten because it talks. If animals could talk, we wouldn't eat them. That's good point. And that's why people are like, why do you care so much about animals and not about people? And I'm like, people at least, I hate human suffering. But at least people can like understand what's happening to them. It really hurts me to think of an animal being like, I don't know and I'm scared.

Like that breaks my heart. It's like they're kids. You know, they don't have words for it. And it's like, animals to me are like babies in that way that they can't express the feet. or pain and it's like... Yeah. And they don't... Because we eat them

because they're dumb, but because they're dumb, it makes it so much more heartbreaking that they don't understand their situation. They can't even be like, I'm unlucky. They're just like,

life is hell! Like every fucking... From the moment they're born, they're like, ah! And then they get... die, and then you eat that pain. I think that could be an hour.

I want to... That's my biggest goal is having a really strong vegan message. Like, I do a little bit on stage where I'm like, and I just, like, go vegan, like it's not only good for the world,

but like, I just feel better than you. Yeah. I just, like, I'm a better person. Like, it didn't land. I feel better than you. I just, I feel like I'm better than you. I don't know how to phrase it, but it's true. Like, you know, there's always one vegan.

I go, you know you're a good person, right? Because you're vegan. Like, it gives you this grounding of like, you, meat and cheese are delicious. I'm doing a hard thing because it's the right thing. So I get to like, always be like, I'm good. And then I get to watch porn that's, you know, being horrible to women.

and feel like bad about that, but at least I'm a vegan. Yeah. Because we are right. Yeah, my other joke about the ethics of porn is like, I sometimes feel guilty if I watch porn. But then I'm like, well, they already filmed it. You're so right. You didn't, that's the same with like when people are like, I'm so sorry, I'm eating this in front of you. I'm like, it's already dead.

I mean, I don't care. Yeah. Ship has sailed. But I did sneak that vegan messaging in and I did shame everyone. I love that. Like a true vegan. I think it's going to be an hour. It's going to be a vegan hour.

Meatless. Can you think of a worse title than plant-based comedy? Plant-based comedy? It would have negative views. The last thing we do is working out for a cause. Is there a nonprofit that you like to give to? And we will link to them in the show notes and contribute. Yes.

Thank you so much. Of course. It is called Rescue the Birds. And it is an avian rescue organization that I won money for when I did, who wants to be a millionaire. Oh, wow. And I got them $100,000. And it was just like for birds.

And we went to go, I went to go visit. And it's just like this couple living out of a house with so many parrots to take care of between the two of them. And it was this whole rescue operation in the suburbs of Chicago for parrots. Because they're often animal people get without understanding how much care they take and how they're not, they're wild animals. They're not really domesticated. And then these all, so many birds are abandoned. And everyone's like, not everyone, but people give to cats and dogs. but I think it's nice to focus on birds

because birds are so smart. These birds talk and then they're abandoned and they're supposed to fly and they're in fucking cages. It's fucking brutal if you think about it. There should be no new birds bought ever. It should end. Breeding should end now. They're stolen out of like nests in the rainforest.

Babies are stolen and they spend their lives in prison. At least your dog has the yard. Your bird seems happy because it's as happy as it could be in that condition. But it's like I love birds and love them as pets. but I would never buy a new bird and you can only rescue. So this is a place that just does it right. We will link to them in the show notes.

We will contribute. Thank you. Thank you for coming on. And you're the captain of comedy. It feels so good to finally, like, it feels like captain of the pep club or captain of the cheerleading squad was not even an option in high school,

so it feels really good. Thank you. Working it out because it's not done. We're working it out because there's no... That's going to do it for another episode of working it out. Nikki Glazer is on tour now. Get tickets at Nikki Glazer.com. Follow her on Instagram at Nikki Glazer. You can watch the full video of this episode

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Associate producer Gary Simons Sound Mixed by Shib Sarin, supervising engineer, Kate Balinski, special thanks to Jack Anandoff and Bleedgers for their music. Special thanks, as always, to my wife, the poet J. Hobbes Stein, and our daughter, Una,

who built the original radio fort made of pillows. Thanks most of all to you who are listening. If you enjoy this show, do us a favor and rate us on Apple Podcast. It really helps. Thanks most of all to you who listen, tell your friends, tell your enemies, tell your vegan friends.

Next time they ask you to try going vegan. make them a deal. Say, I'll try going vegan for one full week if you listen to both Nikki Glazer Working It Out episodes. I go vegan, you listen to Working It Out, and a week we'll meet up for tofu. Thanks, everybody. We're working it out.

We'll see you next time.