Million Dollaz Worth Of Game - MILLION DOLLAZ WORTH OF GAME EPISODE 132: "FEATURING BERNARD HOPKINS"

Episode Date: September 26, 2021

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The The one and only The one and only, man. The legend. Imagine. The one and only, man. Executioner. The one and only, man.

Bernard Hopkins, man. First of all, a worldwide legend, but a Philadelphia king. I'm talking about came from the Bing to the ring. They're doing this thing to chik, chik, chik, ching. All that. God damn. You know, you and Wallow was locked up in the same place. That's why I got the boots up here.

These for me and Naur right here. Yeah. This for me No, no, no, no, no, don't, don't put that smuttle them all away. No, no, I'm just saying. You and Nard, no, no, no, no, no, no are the different things in them boots. Yeah, and I was doing a lot of running. He was, he was putting niggas down in them boots.

You was getting put down in the boots. Fuck out of him, man. You hear the shit, no, no, I know it's different in it. It's not like you think. See, Nore, he'd think anybody trying to go with anybody. Anybody trying to go out of dick. No, I don't think that, but I just know that. 80%, right, 80% you're going to, you're going to have that.

But most of the time. time, it's like, you know, a wall around a city, you normally got to have your support team, your crew, your gang, whatever it is, you must be tied into that. But, yeah, it's some things that go down. It's some things really to go down that you've got to turn the head to. If you're not part of it, you don't want to be a witness to it. Right, yes. Yeah, that was a hook.

You can use it. That was a hook somewhere. Somewhere. Yeah, it's somewhere. Turn your head. You don't want to be a witness to it. Exactly. Before we go any further, this episode of me and I was worth of a game is bought

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A million dollars worth of game. One thing about you, an unbelievable successful story coming out of prison. They say 750,000 people leave prison. every year this is what they say and like a lot of people you know and I know they go back you know within six months you had it in your mind you go to jail

84 when you go to jail at that time you know the sad thing about it you know you lost your brother Mike Hopkins at that time your mom lost it 84 1884 and was interested we got a similar story in that where as though we both was at greatest for when we heard our brother got killed yes

the sad that was different with you is that your brother get killed you want to phone, how do it go? When you hear it your brother, you know, this before you, Bihab, this before you're the big champion of the world, this is when you just heads from the streets. And Y-41-45 to the system. And why, you know what I'm saying? You just a number.

I had a Y number, yeah. You had, yeah, this before the double numbers came. And you're just in the system and you get, you're on the phone and you make that phone calling, how did that go? It went basically quiet. And that's, and I'm talking,

quiet in a way of no response in the first five to six seconds. It's like it's not normal, even though it doesn't seem like it's enough time to recognize something that's wrong. But when once, four sisters I have, and I don't mind naming them, Brunedette, the oldest, a year older than me, I'm the second oldest. You know, Brunette, Yolanda, Marcy, Charmaine. And I mentioned Bernardette. So they kept handing, the phone kept going to eat sister. And the second sister was, I don't want to tell them. I heard that.

And then the other sister, say Charmaine, she got the phone. And next thing you know, it was handed to my last of the four was Marcy. And they said, Michael got killed last night. What? and within seconds after that literally you get 10 minutes on the phone normally if you're a shock caller or respect it or paid somebody

a pack of cigarettes to get their time which is 10 minutes that normally can happen you know what I mean because I didn't have a book I didn't run the phone book you know they normally have an inmate run the phone book you know you cool with him whatever I slide you in on 1045

whatever so I'm basically like what's wrong what's wrong what's wrong Nobody would tell me. And next thing, I got a response. Michael got killed last night. What? Like, again, I'm like, who? What?

Michael got killed last night. And from there, within seconds, obviously, I didn't want to get off the phone, but I took another extra minute of the next guy, phone. But it was cool because it was back and forth, but then I'm like, still got the phone. So one day led to another and the next thing, you know, I had to get off the phone and I had to let him sort of like marinate and let it sit in me and I wanted to get right back on in line

or to the phone book guide, the guy that handles all the next callers or who's the next call on the phone. And I got back on because now and I got, you know, my guy's on a blog, computer, and I don't get your time. Boom, got right back on the phone. 20 minutes, I got back on the phone. I had 20 minutes to think about what I didn't want to accept and didn't want to hear and make sure that I wanted to hear something different, which it wasn't.

I wanted to hear it again. And then I'm asking who, where at, how did it happen? And, you know, it was kind of rough for me for the next six months. And let me tell you, Gile, and it's how long this way. was, but it was definitely a time where if you didn't have a homicide or a rape or something like real dangerous, you was allowed only by escort, being escorted to the funeral home. They made arrangements, right, to have me in a tan and brown van back then. Right?

It wasn't blue. The Shafan. And they, the mother had to pay, I think, a couple hundred dollars or something to have me come to the viewing

shackled. Woo! The Fruno home was Townsend Furnohom, which is a Germantown and Hoarder. It's condos now. That's my own neighborhood.

Right? We live on Sharpneck Street. Yeah, Sharp. Good Street. Horder Street. Right? Right. Take this out.

That whole strip of Germantown Avenue. We went a lot of Chessna Hill past Cedric with the playground at. All my nephews played for the minority banners, right? I went up Germantown with the mentality of North Philly, Rabid Rosen. So that avenue, I can say anybody out there to hear that's good. They can say what they want to say and justify it. But the heads ran that whole avenue.

Eastside, Eastside was basically, say our rivals, then dogtown, right? which basically was respected on the west side, which I lived in the east side. Together they became one going against Haines Street. Down the Avenue, Germantown High, which I was supposed to went to, but I hung up King. Wanted to the King instead of the Avenue all the time. That was my hangout, even though I was supposed to been in Germantown High.

When you, in a situation where somebody got hurt in your family, let alone with your family. family, like your brother. Like, when you're talking about your friends, but they still could be your family and all that, but I'm talking about somebody immediate to you. And they eventually got to come through. They got to come through the classification of Grittyford, right?

And whether you're going to have your blues on, right? Or get quarantined, and then you go right to the jail you're going to. If you're youngy, you're going right to Camp Hill, most likely. Right? You're going to the hill, right? Then rock food and whatever. So I'm fast forward In the conversation

To months now I'm passing I go to the Fruno Shackle Townsend Furno home I got pictures That got videos Because years ago

I knew they won't Keep that neighborhood Now you go up there No Fruner home No nothing No Kent Bar No nothing It's all done

It's all changed It's all gone But I got stuff That I can go back to And say That's Townsend right there I can revisit It when I need to

Right So I start getting like like basically council everybody got a council in there where they go see they counsel if they got problems

they got this they got there whatever they won't move out of the jail if they have problems on the block whatever so they called me down there because they got a word tip that

there's an inmate coming up there that has a conflict because when you come through Grittyford they ask you if anything happened to you where you want your body sent and where's the address what yeah that's some scary shit uh if if something happened accident where do you want your body sent where do you want your body sent

they firm inmates are asking you this we're talking about inmates oath inmates run that when it comes to the receiving room and all that there's no guard to ask you this it's the receptionist inmate who got 30 in and he got two life sentence most likely he got some time double-digit numbers if he ain't got life which to me is, you know what I mean? It's depending on how old he is, life. It's life. So he's asking you where you want your body at. You got to give him the address.

Give him somebody, Ellis, whatever. That's where your body's going. You go through all that. But they wanted to ask me that I have any enemies in that jail. No, they're enemies. Because if you do, you got to give a name, I guess. and then they'll find a way to place you somewhere else. Separation.

Separation. You ain't going on C block, D, block, you ain't going on none of that. You're going to, you're going to quarantine yourself. In this situation, they got word that the guy that killed my brother is on his way to grade it for it. And wherever he goes from there after quarantine, not quarantine, after going to E block or whatever and then quarantine, yeah. And then they ship you where they need to ship, depending on your case. How much time you got? I'm denying it, Gilling.

Think how strong this is and powerful this is and be able to reflect it with items and show like certain little small things that can clarify anything I say and show later because I do not know what we're talking about. Nah. Like, I'm thinking like anybody else would think in that mentality. Justify or not. No, no, no, we hit, no, no.

told my counselor, right? Stalling. Names, I don't forget, and money. Right. Right. I know, you got to keep memory of all those things.

Absolutely. Because you got to watch it. I denied it, they send me back, okay, everything's fine. Whether they believe me or not, I didn't care, but I didn't want to expose

that I knew what they was claiming what happened. Right. Eventually, they came in about three in the morning. I said the day to guards, three days later. Flashlight, whatever they had on, there were no shields and like that because I wanted a threat.

It's not like I did something or stab somebody or stabbed the guard. Right. They came in replace me and remove me, rather, and replace me to Dallas. That's the aisle Dallas. So when they came, right, we're talking past Strand and Wolfspray. 1,000 Folley's Rule. You were talking about like a few hours from Bingham to New York.

that was our radio station, Binghamton, New York. We ain't had Power 99 and W.T. We ain't had that. Right. Right. On 105.3, whatever. So, they came in, what the fuck? Like,

why 41, 45, get your stuff. What do you mean? I ain't get to pack nothing, didn't expect to come, like the phenomenon to come. They packed all my stuff, half of the stuff didn't get there, but just follow me for a minute

they they took all my stuff was packed by them whatever they threw in the box first thing small pictures everything they had me on the van with two other people that was going to get shipped out for whatever they was getting shipped out for right

in the jail they was getting shit whatever they was doing shit and it shipped out and I remember that long early morning ride Dallas fuck it's Dallas I thought about it's a Dallas in Pennsylvania

come on You know we're from Dallas. Dallas, Texas? Right? Who are you talking about? Start thinking about the cowboys. So I'm in Dallas. You're talking to redneck country.

Hardcore. Hardcore. Redneck. Redneck country. Don't get a fuck about you. They know you're coming from Gritted Ford. So they got it. They think you sleep.

You know what's going on. There's something by Grated Ford, you're a city slickster. Anybody living in the country. Anybody out there listening going to respond to this, anybody in the country. I'm not saying it's good. bad people out there y'all argue about that but anybody lives in the country understands the rule of country thinking you from city slickster watch them so we get up dallas is that mentality

you get up dallas all rednecks you're talking about looking like you talking none of that yeah so we get out on this this this pier right and we shackled ankles waist they sit there they get you in this big room lights are bright it's like five or six of us they step forward you got to your your your your bunk you're really really your mattress uh linen clothes i guess whatever they give you the the pullers and all that and so we we lined up and they gave us a a short speech you're not in grader for state penitentiary you're in dallas they made that clear we don't do this we don't do that we run this jail y'all run it down there right he kept it they gonna keep elaborating they want to tell you that right this shit is serious though you think

it's like like like like yo like we run this we're not going for none of your bullshit time time you call for help it's gonna take days maybe weeks right for you to get a response we run this we'll bury you in here nine of us in the dudes up there man humble the guards like they like they beat down the soldier's gone right it's a shell man used to be this dude was an animal

vicious what happened so you got guys looking at that that's my god like they did I better get in line that mental works on you every day if you ain't strong enough

to prevail and neutralize around that stuff so that's what I did my last three years two years down graded for right the reason I was down graded for really that long is because of my boxing ability

and Nune Mims Jabbar rest in peace because the boxing program was so big we was affiliated and tied in with the AAU and the boxing in Pennsylvania so we was under the AAU to golden gloves

all that they used to bring the street boxing gyms to the prison to fight us. Systrung, Omar. All of them used to bring, they used to, Omar, still got life, he's still down.

He, 40 years, close to 40, he got to close to 40. You used to have interaction with the amateur boxing from society, the streets, and the ones that's locked up. And so, it became a thing where I

got back into the love of it, right? Now, It happened because I sparred, and I never forget it. A guy named his legs, they call him lays from West Philly. And he was real slick, but he was real strong, too. And we went four rounds. In jail, they didn't weigh you by scale. They weigh you by eye.

Can you imagine? Like, you got some old dudes in there. They ain't looking. They vision ain't too sharp. Right? You ain't able to cruise away, right? But you ain't telling nobody, though. He's big in me.

You don't do that. that in them jones right you'd be like okay great like the gun even though you're like oh like they made the same way you can't talk that language yo you you you you y'all okay you y'all too gonna go in next you too and that's how the thing went you only got an hour and a half in the gym right so we're busting it up no ropes just the mat if you run off that mat that's like you turn in your ass so to the inmate you can't run off the man that's like we treat like the right the right flag like i'm i'm i'm i need to break so you got a stem on that map because they didn't have a whole full ring

with the rokes and corner all that post and all that thing all that. We rumbled. Some of the best fights happening in them joints. Gilly, don't you know I have a collection that was given to me at a business that I'm part of, not too far from here. Because

they abolished the boxing program and a retired guard gave me DVDs from a VCR tapes that they only had back then of me rumbling boxing in the penitentiary with all the inmates that you probably know half of them on the corner in the yard of Greaterford

five boxing shows that they had there and I'm in the ring rumbling. This is before I became Bernard Hopkins. This is before I became wise to stay out and not stay in. This one was heads. I kept them joints. I got them and I thank Mr. Jenkins

for bringing them to me, right? Because I don't know if he's still around. He was 70 then. I'm talking about I got these days eight years ago. I put one out on my Instagram and went crazy because I didn't want to pit all of them out there because we had a time right now where that thing is called content.

Yes, sir. And they're saying, luck, this is supposed to happen. Right. I didn't plan it, but I had a vision for it. Right. The timing came at the right time. The timing about anything. You talk about it.

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Yeah You seen the last episode yesterday? Okay Well not the last We got one more And the last one will be I think tomorrow today But Don how did

How did Don was running circles Trying to run circles around you? Yeah We had battles man We had battles in federal courts I'm undefeated we rumble I don't mind rumbling

if I have to but it calls oh yeah it's cause and a lot of things about you know sticking to your guns you know boxing is a community

where you gotta understand people have short memories and they might sympathize and all that stuff with you but you know when that teapot cool off they get on to the next

right and that's how I got to be I guess more use of my time and would I and pick my battles with Don he's going to come to you with the streets he's going to come to you with the game right he's going to come to you the way that he know that he have been successful with many others but every now and then you get those different people You get that different response. And then he holds to that response, which is me. See, I had a problem with giving a manager 35% or 40% of my money.

I had a problem and then that's not including the feds. That's not including the expenses. That's not including Pinot-on-West state you live in. I love Philly, but I had to go down the street 95, right? Delaware. Right? I had to go, hold, whoa. I could have went to the county.

right I could have went here you know most people who thought up to they run to the county that's the moving on up baby right I said I start thinking hold up if this thing don't work out I always had to plan B even when I gave him nine on the street nine years

nine years lost my first fight in Atlantic City Resort Casino Clinton Mitchell New York City he's 4 and 0 I was the opponent but I rumbled with four rounds and I said never happened again 20, 15 years

straight holding that middleweight division. I really meant what I said. But I understood when you're negotiating you're negotiating for the future but I'm negotiating now. And a lot of people might can't understand that or look at that

or hear that as a philosophy talk. You can call it what you want to call it. That's the way I operated. When I sat there and talked to Don King, Bob Aaron, or any other promoter, Butch Lewis, God rest of soul, right? Who was my first promoter?

I knew my value. I can't talk to you about when I'm worth, if I don't know what I'm worth. Right. How did you know what he was worth? By getting cheated a couple of times. It didn't feel good. Case in point.

Roy Jones Jr. in 1993. Right? I won a case on this. all the documents, even all the litigation. I kept all my court papers from every battle I was in. I'm glad I'm dead because it's my stuff. I paid for it, right, called lawyer fees, right? Me and Roy Jones, we classed in 1993 at RFK Stadium

under the Riddick Bow and Jesse Ferguson Heavyweight Championship fight. It was my first attempt to become the IBF. Middleweight champion of the world. Roy Jones Jr. Olympic Civil medals should have wanted to go. Michael Jordan at that time in boxing. I said it many times. I said it then.

I'm saying now he was the Michael Jordan in boxing at the time. Roy Jones Jr. taught me a lesson like Mayweather taught Canello. Absolutely. My wins after that proved that statement true. I went 12 years undefeated

and wound up getting that title when Roy moved out of the division. Hold up. Let's talk about how did I get financially educated in business. Butch Lewis negotiated from my services to HBO, my look, my likeness in that ring. Something I knew nothing about. When you say your looks and your likenesses,

that's outside of the fighting. Yes. That's money. That's having me on HBO, that's part of those. ingredients that they must sign off on and basically be able to exploit you anywhere they want to exploit you at because they got the rights sold by the promoter for the license fee.

The license fee is, okay, Butch, we got Roy Jones, who's a house fighter of HBO. They got him under contract. He got a multi-million dollar contract. I wasn't. I was, you know, a gunslinger, outside. Banger, banging in, wild 41, 45, he comes from Philadelphia, we know he can fight, he's going to make Roy look great. Now, when we fought, it was a separate deal where it was $1.2, $1.3 million split.

It was a parity. Parity means split. So that, worry gets his, I gets mine. Whatever our deals with our managers is what it is. Nobody has to do it. That's your business. But it was a licensee his fee. Y'all know what that is.

They're having in music. They have it in radio. They have an entertainment. It's a license fee. So I didn't know and didn't think it was my business to know. This is with ignorance at that time was still in me. Then NASS always relied on the promoter in information that it is what it is. That's the law in boxing at that time until I stood up at the hearings in New York City,

speaking about open disclosure of everything that the promoter gets to bring to the table for a main event or co-main event fighter, we need to know we can't negotiate in the dark. That's later on conversation. It took two years after I lost to Roy Jones to get a width of what happened and how much money I should have gotten.

I never forget it. Marad Muhammad from Newark, New Jersey, big community down in Islam, right? From the nation, All the way to the sooner. Yeah. And so Mariah Muhammad, who I thanked to the day, and I ran into each other at some convention, boxing convention.

They have them every year, right? WBC, WBA, WBA, WBO, and all it, right? Hey, champs, I'm like, Juan X-Slam. Hey, hey, Marad, how you doing, man? Yes, man, you lost, but you did, because he was representing Roy. He was representing Roy. Right.

And we had this convention. How much you get paid? that's how this conversation fell on my lap I told him right I got patient what it's $300,000 missing it was a pair of he's supposed to split 750

Roy got $7.50 I got $7.50 on my side how much you get I said Marat or you see I'm thinking okay I got a team I got a management team they're off in Philly

right they're off in Philly oh his Right? My guys represented me, Fareed, Rob Merritt, Will Teller, Gregory Turner. Some of them got still around. Some of them I still see. And talk to when I do see them. How are you doing keep it moving? I realized that I was told that the fight was a parody, but the numbers was different.

And so out of that 750, it's supposed to have been on my side, I got 150 pages. taxes, I got $80,000. Damn. Hold up. And I got documentation. That's what make this thing so beautiful. How did I learn my hard lesson of being ignorant and didn't know? Had to go through the ring.

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this right information it ain't just game coming to me to throw chaos amongst the community that I'm part of

but it wasn't and so I stepped a butch this is I stepped a bitch I heard come on man no X no man

he can't listen to these people I say, man, I'm hearing this, man. I'm, like, but I never, never stop. Dig it. I let him believe that. I ain't bring it to him anymore. Marad got me the contract.

I have it to the day. He got me the contract. Look at the numbers. HBO sign them. It was five signatures because it was a unique card where five different promoters had five different fighters on the same card. So I'm looking at this ballot agreement.

disagreement from all the promoters that signed at the bottom and what they got for the show, even Riddick-Bow money is down there because before Jesse Ferguson was just a contender, everything hell broke loose. Listen, one emotion was a strategy. I found a good storefront lawyer, one downtown. It was too much, right?

And I had to negotiate, listen, man, you roll with me, we win this, we end it together. We file in papers together. We had to follow in New York because you wanted jurisdiction in New York. We fought that no, I did my business and got show evidence that you did business in Philly. I live in Philly. I want to be in federal court here. I want to be out in New York City.

But we had to battle that. Anybody know about that jurisdiction thing? Anybody know about legal law and all that? So we rumble. But I'm following, we running, making documents so we can get that answer, yeah and a, whether we should be here or there. So we go. To New York. He went.

Go to New York. Judge here it. Boom. They kick it back to Philly. We have no jurisdiction here. I rumbled here. I rumbled here. I got out the contract.

I just wanted to get out the contract. They didn't give me no money back because I did sign it. That was the hard lesson. Judge sympathize. You got to remember, I don't have all these belts. I'm not a well-known name. There wasn't no favoritism. It was the facts.

Right. And a lawyer that I dug up somewhere in South Philly who wasn't downtown and center city for $450,500 an hour, right? Or want to retain it for 30 racks. Right. So check this out. So now I'm grinding with him. I'm teaching a green out of temp, came with the temple.

Alan Teller, his name is. I'm telling him the game about the boxing and the slick. He looking at it. They can't do this. It's not long. He's going strictly by the book. I say, yo, in this game, right? The book only matters when you're in court.

Right. And this game here, you must understand, Alan, just because they put things in writing, you got to hold them accountable and hold them to the task of honor on that thing. Boxing is like one of those sports, and I ain't killing it. I'm telling you the facts how it is. There's a lot of good in it. Look at me. But there's some stuff that you got to understand that just because you see what you see,

and they can't do that, yes, they will. That don't mean nothing. So I have to get that in his head. he got it real quick and next thing I know I'm let out to be free we can't give you the money that you didn't because you did sign off

you did agree to it unethical it was but I'm going to give you a freedom because you can start all over and boy did I do I start over I start over

and I went right in and I was on a terror got away from Butch and didn't have a promoter sense don't have a promoter now and it's been 20 something years right i became a promoter being affiliate promoted by golden boy based on having an owner and partnership in paper besides the employment agreement

of the company that you're partners with as a owner right because i'm leaving my house and traveling i'm doing that that that's work i'm retired when that time came and it's here. But I had that in place 10 years ago. Now, learning all this really good lessons but hard to accept it most of the times when you don't see the outcome of it like I see now because you got to deal with it emotionally you got to deal with it in the anger. You got to deal with it and what are you going to do next? You got to have a strategy.

you. But any fight that's in their future, and it will be, no matter what it is, I realize and it's stimulating my mind and also a condition of my mind to understand that we, and I said to the comrades of mine, as listening to the ones that's right here next to me, you got through the most difficult times in your life, whatever that is, even if you have been been that way. That is, if you believe, could have destroyed you, wipe you out, or any way of not returning to which you know you can do and be. Every time I have to deal with business or something to the point where I need to be

reminded, I have the state boots if I want to dig them out the attic, I have that nine years gilly. You're Philly dude. Everybody here is. I come home in 1988. Yeah. That was the middle or close to the middle of the JBMM era. Crack era.

Hold up. Nine years, parole, 25 years old, even though I box since I was nine, come from families of two brothers, mother and father, uncles that rumbled in the city, never made it worldwide, but they're well-known amongst the old heads and the fighters up today.

Arty McLeod, Ju-Ju Hopkins, Johnny Clyde. They were my mother and father's side. It's in my DNA. But I understood when I came home in 88, it was set up for me to fail from the gate.

Think about it. Go back to that era. Lost my first fight, I said. Took off 89 and 90, because I was out there for a minute. Look at my record. I'm in acting. look at it because the producers are

she took to sit back they remember me now for 30 years they sort of forgot it was a story before this will make it so profound on a Michael Jordan type of level and the Muhammad Ali type of level in this era how there's so many chapters

cut we're going to show this Tuesday cut we're going to show this Wednesday I understood no matter what I battle here into the grave walking off that nine years in 88 losing my first fight everybody's swollen pockets

going to Chucks or Erie Avenue Hold up, hold up 5.0, sobs 850 BMWs A lot of dudes come home getting killed that did 30, they're 40s rather than the feds or whatever

because they can't just that could have been me I come home and understood even though it's a struggle my parole lady on Spring Garden Street they condos now 14th floor I go down to the 8th and night floor

and get my manager license from the boxing athletic commissioner how I'm a call commissioner god rest of soul businesses all around that spot on on Spring Garden even in the call yo here I was the 14 floor, it's condos now.

I'm telling people, get the camera, get that. I'm not supposed to be here by statistics. You ain't supposed to be by statistic. Why you think, they're not pasturing me up. I don't want to be a statue. It don't move. It don't talk. The inspiration that I want to establish is motivated by Ali.

Whether we share the same two days apart, birthdays, here's the 17th, mine's the 15th, whether we capricorns, we voted, we strong, we determined to prove others wrong because that's the way keeps us going. I became champion, and I say I, I became champion when I gave him nine years parole. I knew I was going to be here, Gilly. I knew I was going to be doing interviews, no matter who's whoever, it was Johnny Carson, whatever, right? No matter where I had to go, whether there's a radio station, TV station,

wherever it was, right? Whatever it was. When I beat Delaware, who's my partner, been my partner for 20 years, and I'm his partner, you know, be on Jay Leno's couch that Monday. Had to stay over and be in L.A. and sit there with Jay Lennel. Googling, this is right there. Right. Having Brian Gumble and all of them on Behind the Glory come up Grated for.

My old hair did 52, 53 years smoking Wilson, had life, came out on the juvenile coming from the Morocco. I know him. come out from having the juvenile homicide. This got out two years ago. Are we home? Yeah, he's on. Okay.

Got to get him up on here. See, ho, ho. My dad, oh, that's who, one of the, they trained me in the joint. Yeah. How profound that is for a mess. He stayed in my ear. Don't be like me. He seen me coming through there like he came through.

Oh. Jabar, Nuni Mims. Say, look, he can fight. He said he can fight. And let's see how he's his face. He can't fight. You know, all that stuff. You know, it was that type of talk.

That's how it was, man. Okay, everybody said they can fight. Hold up, hold up. I had a moment where, as though. I was, I was boxing, too, no. I went down there, you know, you know, down. Bo Massie, Bill Massey, Lou Brown, all of them. Listen, I'm in the gym.

So I go down there, throw the mouthpiece, and I put my ones and twos together. Boy, knock my mouthpiece out. I'll be tired. No, I'd be tired of him out. He realized boxing one of them. But I was going to be where you was at, too. I said, damn, I'm going to be a champ. In your mind.

He was like, M. Champs, so that mouthpiece came out. That mouthpiece came out. That mouthpiece vicious. And life changed. And the state boots went somewhere else. He was over there.

No, but no. He knows what's going on. They get you down the gym and they set you up. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You see a dude in the corner just chilling, looking like he and he ain't got to him.

Go ahead rumble him. I'm going to knock him out. Yeah. You go on in there like, I got this. I got this. See, you don't know that you entertainment for conversations later on the block. On the block. Oh, he got his coffee, no cream and sugar.

He beat the shit out of you. You know, he got the stinger. The stinger is working, so he plugged the sting. Man, I still don't know to make those stinger. Me too. I get the hopper. I get the stinger, right, make the microwave, the shoebox cut open, lace it with aluminum foil, put the light bulb in there.

You got a hot sandwich. These are the things, Gilly, I'll never forget. I never forget to survive. Dougher are talking how you handing this COVID? I said, we're COVID. Now, I understand, other than people dying and it's shutting things down and change their lives. But when you're talking about, to me, right, I can't speak for everybody. But for those who know, when you talk about me, how I'm handling this COVID on a quarantine

lockdown, I said, yo, man, they forgot I've been boxing so long. I'd stop that 28 years, almost three decades. They don't understand I have my freedom. I jeopardize that. And now that you can look at it, I really play with my future then, correct? Right. now I can look at grass and deers and is my house where I ain't got to pay a fee to get into this museum

and I can do what I need to do and what I want to do and I got peace there at home because a lot of people don't have peace at home they'd rather be locked up only thing they got at home is a piece of ass exactly but for you to get there right let me ask you a question this episode of a million dollars worth of game is brought to you by FTX formerly known as Blockfolio one thing about

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Who was the roughest fight you ever had in your life in that ring? Who was that dude that came in there and gave you like, you was like this motherfucker? Roy Jones. Michael Jordan and boxing at that time. That was the first fight though. Yeah. The second fight you won.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got him a little older. Yeah. And I was older. Yeah. But I wanted them. I was preserved. I tracked, I did. I tracked him down. I for 16 years. Roy, for me, he needed me. Golden Boy promotion.

I'm part of Golden Boy, but I'm also still fighting. You got to remember, I'm still fighting and still the business side is in the back pocket, but when I exit out this boxing thing,

I don't got a look. I'm already there. That's how I think. I'm out, look, what are you going to do? You already fell. What do you mean? What are you going to do?

You don't get up in the morning and say, man, what are we going to do? You already know, you pre-prepared, already know what you're going to to do. A lot of people, a lot of people don't think and operate that way. They might talk it, but they don't operate their way. They don't come prepared. You must be prepared in this day of thinking, of technology and movement and being proactive. You've got to be months ahead

of people. Society of the masterminds that's running this whole country is prepared 20 years from now. Prepare 10 sometimes years from now. That's the shortest. They already got a scheme in a plan and a legitimate reason to take over and do what they want to do and dominate it. And that's how we have to think as we look forward and what you want to do. What are you going to be

doing the next five or ten years? Well, I think I was going to be living. So, okay, you got past that excuse. Still, you must have a plan. Right. If you're looking to not live 10 and 20 years, then you're not going to live. That's your plan. Right. That's your plan? No, it ain't my plan.

Well, look what you just said. Words are important. Because as soon as you open your mouth, you tell the world how intelligent you are. Absolutely. Now, let me ask you this, right now, firefighters. Who are the top five fighters to you? Your top five right now. Right now. Canello first.

Crawford, Joshua, heavyweight. Now, is you going off of Crawford off the eye test? or because Crawford ain't really beat nobody. I like Crawford because of his longevity and anybody that went in there with him, he beat. Yeah. And hold on. And he's a champion,

and he has the longevity of not ducking nobody and beating everybody that came in front of him. And he's still trying to get that fight that he wants now, whether there's Earl Spent or even another top contender up there that's qualified. but I definitely believe that when you look at that landscape, he's definitely in the top three.

All right, where I'm at Crawford, Spence, Earl Spence. He's definitely, you know, Earl Spence. Yeah, Texas, right? You say Joshua. Joshua. And how many, how many you mean? That's four. That's four.

You need five, right? And who I think that, and I mentioned Canello, tank. Okay, and let me ask you this Tank Davis Absolutely And it can punch Philly is hot right now

The boxes How do you feel about the Philly boxes? What do you mean about that? Like when you say names Who? Jerome Boots Ennis Vicious But boots came up through the box

And boxing in the church His father All right My nephew, Demetrius Was trained by his father Demetius Hopkins That longevity And that bloodline man

I gave him his friend first gloves. My nephew, my uncle gave me, not my first gloves, but took me to Joe Frisier, born Glenwood. Yes. Right? In late 70s. I need to see between now and going into 22 when things supposedly, supposedly opened up more than this year. It was a test this year to go and see what boxing going to do far as being back to 80% enormacy. What do he do now because every year passes, every year he loses. He got to get those big fights. I haven't owed up.

I haven't seen, I'm talking as a promoter now and also as a fighter. So I got the advantage over most promoters. They haven't done this. They might know the business part of it. They might know who can fight eye by eye and all that stuff. But I'm going into two issues. I'm going to two issues. Booty right now is on everybody's mind when you talk about Philadelphia

and you talk about who can fight in that division or who can't fight their division. But let me tell you something. Just because their car looks shiny, just because their car is bad and you like it. Until you start up, you ain't going to buy it. We need to see boots in some fights where we know that if he ain't on this game, that the true talents would come out.

Michael Jordan needed certain players to show his greatness. He need that greatness. He need that greatness. He need that greatness opposite of tract of himself, right? of having that potential greatness. Greatness is shouldn't be given. It's thrown around as a conversation. Boots right now is representing Philadelphia based on what he's done now, today.

But until you step out at Philadelphia and become worldly known and establish yourself, first get in the door and then you maintain that door, it's like maintaining the money once you get it. How do you maintain it? You got it now. How do you maintain it? I haven't seen that yet. Right? I don't know who promote him. I don't think he even have a promoter.

I think he freestyling because he don't trust the system or he can't get the deal that he wants. So you got all kinds of promoters out there who know who boots is, including Golden Boy. I'm from Philly, right? But you got Mayweather Promotion. You got Al Heyman, promotioners under slash advisor. But promoter.

You have Eddie Hearns. You have all of them. Now, we see the talent. it must be in people's mind, not everybody's, that every promoter I mentioned and the ones that didn't mention would and should be on Bootsie's door right now, but they're not.

So if you want to dig further into it, you say, well, why not, champ? Could be inside. Confusion? Among what? Among who we go to or who we don't go to or we'd be independent? Listen, you only get but so far when you're doing it based on non-exclusive, which means I go in, I'm going to fight, let you do the show, we get an agreement,

this is what it is, I'm going to move on and work with other people. okay that seems like independence that seems like this and it is but it comes a lot it comes a time in boxing and I've been a part of this for a while and on both sides you're going to be with top rank golden boy PBC Eddie Hearns

or you're fighting they fighters and you basically is going to get treated like you're second Like an opponent. Like an opponent. Now, the apple card is they can have you set up the way you want to set up, you beat him. That's how he's been doing it.

But it's time to step up now. It's time to see Boots step up right now because he's not a rookie. He's not a guy that's, we need to build up. We know what he can do. He can fight his ass off. I've been there through with his fights. And I know his dad. We grew up together.

We ain't too far. You know, we come up in the amateurs together. On Upsom Street, jazz basement, right? That's another story, right? I started in the basement on Upsont Street, right off the Germantown Avenue. Now tours Cherokee at the top, right? Together brothers, they call it.

Club. It was like eight of us. And his father was one who trained at East Germantown, I believe, at that time. Shelton and Artley. I like to see boots fight somebody that we all understand and recognize that this is going to be a fight

whether he wouldn't lose his draw until then he'll keep winning he'll have a hell of a record undefeated the money won't be long but you want to step in you got to step in and normally you got to step in with a promoter

that everybody knows that respect because he's going to pitch you in there he can pull the strings he got the information and the first I'll tell you off the gate top rank been around 30 plus years. Did Ali, did Foreman, did the old, the new, the young but he need to now

establish himself and it's like signing to a big label. You hot. I'm going to use that phrase because you all relate to music better than I do on the business side, but to me it's all the same thing. Different turns here. Until you give it that label,

back in the day, now you can do certain things different, don't get me wrong. You knew he ain't nobody honed at you. Ain't nobody promoting you like that you do it on your own that's cool but world international overseas cross the pond

that comes with work and not what you know and how much skills you have who you know right now you're saying that you say you ain't hand a promoter you was representing you yeah for a short time

that was after I got the bag and the belt I didn't Yo, Yilly. Because once you get the bag in the belts, you call the shots. Right.

I ain't say the belt first in the bag, even though you're going to win those belts, the bag don't normally come right away. Right. You got to remember, like, I ain't had no promoter because I had power. I had strength. I had what they needed to give from me,

and that kept me from never unestimating my opponent. Even my mandatory, shouldn't be the number one contender. But I had to fight them every nine months because that's why they are mandatory. Right. I'll go there. for $50,000 when I should be getting $5 million.

Right. I've done that based on the politics, thinking I'm going to vacate it. No, if I vacate these titles, I don't have no strength. Right. The titles keep me in the race. They obligated to give me three fights a year if I got three belts, WBC, WBA, IBF, and that's why I need to be undisputed. So I got those belts, made those defenses, which is world record now in the middleweight division.

I surpassed marvelous haggler. to a great late callus my zone in the haggler and then I established my own 20 defenses and so this is where the strength come at if you don't it's only one to two percent of fighters that get in position and be able to call their own shots and be able to tell the sanchine bodies I can't give you 3% in the purse

don't you know every sanching embody belt that's out there there have five belts in east division is really warded down they get 3% of your growth purse every time you defend that title unless you're the mayweathers unless at that time myself the roy jones where you got those big contracts you're getting 30 million a fight you ain't giving up 3% do the matter 30% of 3% of 30 million dollars is a lot of money yes and you got three belts so you got paid three times that right let me ask you a question what's three fights that nobody's seen no that you would like to see three three big fights

that you would like to see whereas though I'm not saying nobody ducking nobody but it's not happening that you would say I like to see certain people in the ring

what three what three fights with that right now right now first I like I like to see my guys from Houston Chalo brothers

East I like to see Connollo fight the biggest one at 165-160 right I don't know if

Canelo can make 60 again. He said he can, but if he can, he can. The older you get the year go by, the more hard to get down the weight. So that's one. One of the cello brothers, the bigger one in middleweight, the 160, Jamal, fight Canelo, at 1 60, 65, catch weight, which I've done many times in the middleweight division for my title. The second one, I'd like to see Earl Spence, and I would say Crawford, right? I think that's... That's the one that we won it a year ago. It's the fans wanted a year ago, and that's our hurt.

The third one, I would like to see, I'd like to see Danny Garcia from Philadelphia get a shot at a different weight class of the champion in that division right away, not a tune-up. I'd like to see him go right to that division and get a champion. I think he's going up to 154 junior middleweight. So I'd like to see him fight, I forgot his name, but he's a European. I like to see him fight the top guy at that weight division, Danny Garcia. You got it just for Charlo. What's his name? I forget his name, but I know you're talking about it.

I like to see him get that type of fight right out of the gate because I think Danny Garcia will be, I've been at his gym, trained at his gym when they first opened it, an angel to my guys. So I'd like to see him, Danny Garcia fight that particular. a fight with the belts on the line right to the dance go right to it and I believe he'll be successful at their weight class I believe that he grew out of their weight really a year year and a half ago and he got down there because he's disciplined and he's determined but I think that that weight division at 54 are going to be blessing for him right he can eat now he can eat he can eat absolutely body ain't in the bottle no more absolutely well listen man we appreciate you

for coming through legend appreciate you You know what I mean? Big-time business owner, too. You've got a lot of businesses. You're successful, extremely successful as to boxing. And I've been doing it real quietly. You know what I mean? For the years, Gilly, I've been coming up in, you know,

we're from Philly. We can see the neighborhoods. We see what they used to look like and what they're looking like now. And, you know, steady complaining about it. And steady saying how much it's being changed and not being, excuse me, not being a part of it, whether on the positive side or on the business side, I think you're just basically talking and just complaining about something that you only want to fix or be proactive and what's going on for your legacy and your family legacy.

So I understand sometimes that we get intimidated and we see change, but change ain't always bad. Are you a part of it? If it's positive enough, if it is, you should be a part of it and getting it on business side. and also on the cultural side and also, you know, in your community. So I'm always going to be attached to Philadelphia. It's embedded in me, but I also understand that it's two sides to the good, just like bad exists.

It's the yin and the yang, and you got to understand what side you're on and represent it, no flip-flopping. And thank y'all for having me on here. It's been a long time. I appreciate what you've done from the muscle and continue to do it. and peace and blessings. Yes, sir.

Man, appreciate the legend for coming through, man, and just blessing us with this game. That's God's intention, motivation, and education, man. Appreciate y'all for making us the number one, you know, podcasts in the country every week, and it's just like that. Right.