Million Dollaz Worth Of Game - MUSIQ SOULCHILD: MILLION DOLLAZ WORTH OF GAME EPISODE 207

Episode Date: February 20, 2023

The legendary Musiq Soulchild joins the conversation. With over 20 years of experience in the music industry and multiple platinum albums, Musiq shares his insights on creating timeless music and building a lasting legacy. From his early beginnings as a street performer to his chart-topping success, this episode offers a glimpse into the life and career of one of R&B's most beloved artists. You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mworthofgameYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mworthofgame

Hey, million dollars worth of game listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, ad free on Amazon Music. Right. You're now tuned into me, me, me, me, me, me, me, million dollars worth a game, man. We got a legend up here. Uh-huh. Not just a Philadelphia legend, but a legend.

He came through, you know, at a time when he knows and just put some magic in the game. He wasn't playing, man. The one-to-only music, soul child, man, from Philly's own, man. And this brother, he's back out here, he's ready going to tour. He got a new album coming out. He's not playing, but we're going to take it back. We got to take it back. Because at the same time, when you was out, this one, he was a, he was like a local little

neighborhood rapper in Philly, right? When you was out here, he was doing this thing. See, y'all always coming up here and giving this board these false props and shit. I don't be understanding it, man. It's not a matter of props. It's just facts. It happened. Was he hot?

He's a head. He was making some noise. He was hot. Why you got a hate all. I'm just saying, man, I don't be... I just feel as though you was a C-minus rapper. Okay. So I just think that, you know, sometimes, you know, it's just deep, man.

That's all right, man. Before we got to know you, music, before the world got to know you. Break us down, man. Tell us the story coming up in Philly, man. How was it for you? There was a whole lot going on, actually. Yeah, yeah. Just a little bit.

You know, I grew up Muslim, like almost everybody in Philly. You know, if you wasn't Muslim, you was trying to be Muslim, or you was already Muslim, you was transitioning to something else. So there was a lot of that going on. So already my life was different. It wasn't like everybody else. But I found out that I could sing, but I didn't know that was a big deal until people just kept saying that it was a big deal

because I thought everybody could sing. I'm like, bro, if you could talk. Because I'm thinking singing, it's so simple. Like, oh, no, I was sing a part or whatever. And I would be like, okay, your turn. And folks would be like, ah. Maybe you tripping. Like, no, go ahead.

Sing your part. Like, bro, I don't do that. Right. What do you mean you don't do that? Right. You know, so it took me a while to figure out that, oh, you could do something that not everybody could do. But I didn't, I didn't know, because I didn't really have a lot of people, like, big in me up about it, you know, at least not, you know, in my immediate household or

whatever so when people just started you know making a big deal about you know sing sing sing um i remember one time when i was a kid you know um my mom mentioned something about how it was special or whatever but that came and went um but it wasn't until like my teenage years where i you know you got to figure out what you're going to do with your life and i figured i was good at that but i was also good at a lot of other things i was good at drawing i was I was good at, you know, dancing, you know, break dancing and stuff like that. I was good at beatboxing, you know what I'm saying? So I wanted to do a lot of different things.

And I had a home girl that was like, bro, you got to, like, lock in a one thing. Right. Because you're not going to be able to do nothing. If you, like, figure out what you're really good at. And I think you should do the singing thing. And then let the singing thing be the thing that connects all the other stuff. I'm like, I don't know nothing. You know.

But I started singing around, you know, Philly. hanging out with the performing arts kids you know because I dropped out of school so that one of the things was done for me I guess I could have went back but I just didn't care and just hanging out with them I started getting a better sense of what it is because they was actually going to school for it

so just being around that energy and that being the topic of discussion because you know at any given moment you know they was probably working on something so I would just chime in and just kind of bouncing around ideas and, you know, just different frequencies, like similar frequencies, you just kind of like feed off of each other energy-wise. And plus I was trying to figure out who I was as a person.

Yeah. You know, so there's a lot of that coming of age stuff. And Philly is a very interesting town, you know, as y'all know. Rough. You know, very aggressive, you know what I'm saying? You know, there's not a lot of people, you know, born with a lot of fucks to give. So you get, you get a. dressed and talked to and treated in a certain way

where it's like, fam, you ain't special. Right. Like, ah, okay. So when you say, like, looking back now, right, you say you dropped out of school, you know, when you look back now, what's some of the reasons why you think you dropped out? Well, the main reason was because

the work wasn't challenging enough, so I just didn't care. You know, I went to, I started high school, but I got, like, super bad grades. Well, how school you went to? Uny. Uny, okay. University City.

Generic, can you be? Shout out to you. I didn't go to the school that I wanted to go to. I wanted to go to Overbrook, but it didn't work out for me, you know what I'm saying? I probably would stay. Who knows? But the work just wasn't like really challenging me, and I didn't know that at the time. To me, it was just, you kids, like, it's just boring.

I ain't doing it, you know? So my grades was bad. and I didn't care to, like, really push to get better grades, you know? And, excuse me. And my parents at the time wasn't, you know, not that they wasn't advocating for my education, but I'm the first of nine kids. They're like, bro, you want to be a piece of shit dead beat. Go ahead.

You can fuck your life. But I got to think about the rest of these kids. You already know what it is, so you've grown enough to make your own decisions, you know. We're not going to push because I was already hard-headed. And they were about tired of me at that point. Because I just always had this thing where I ain't like listening to nobody. I ain't like nobody telling me what to do. I don't care for my mom and my dad.

I don't care if you some authority figure, like, you don't know me. And I couldn't really articulate that. I had something in me that I got to figure it out. None of y'all are giving me the game that I feel like I need. So I was dolo a lot. Couldn't anybody identify with me. And I couldn't really tap into to get somebody that, help me like it's like real sporadically every now and again in short spurts there will be people

that would you know look out and then they go missing it's like I need more you know but that was just part of the journey God was just getting you to a certain point prepping you you you know what I mean so you put somebody in your life to help you get further the journey put somebody else in your life yeah let me ask you a question if okay so if your parents was more supportive of what you of what you wanted to do or you trying to because you know as parents you know we learn every day

I'll be dealing with shit with my sons and with my daughters and shit you know what I mean do you think if they was a little bit more supportive because the reality of it is this it's hard to be 100% supportive

to a child when there's eight other kids in the house completely I get it like that's like God damn you're just trying to figure out how the fuck we're going to eat tonight. Right, you know, and it's, you know, I did have, you know, a lot of different perspectives on things in the past because I didn't understand.

I didn't have the context. I was sheltered most of my life. I didn't know about the world. I didn't really learn about life until I left, you know. And I left because I felt like I couldn't really be me, whatever that was at the crib, you know, and I wasn't getting, you know, the feedback that I felt like I needed. needed. And I didn't know, again, I didn't know how to communicate that even, you know, so I felt

like it was, it was, I just kept, it was a ceiling that I just couldn't, like, break through. So I was like, only way I know how to deal with this is to just, it's to just leave, you know, and how old was you when you left? I think it was like 17, 18, somewhere around there. And I had no plan. I had no, you know, I had somebody, you know, let me chill with them for. Well, once I figure it out, I have multiple people. That's why when people ask me, like, what part of Philly grow up? I say all over it because I literally grew up all over Philly. Like, you know, all over.

No, he was dead niggas couch is up. He was trying to figure his journey out. He was a couch warrior. A couch warrior. Yeah. He's like, a new song here in there. Yeah, he's singing a song. Fucking they couch up.

Couch war. They're like, we believe in you. I was a warrior. I was a warrior. I was a couch warrior. I like that. I like that. You was a fucking base.

I was nomadic. I kind of like that. But couch warriors, that's pretty hard. You're done it a few niggas couches up. Shout out to them niggins of couches. He dead it up. See, I had to like, but I had to time it, though, because I ain't like wearing on my wife because I, if I really didn't.

How long? What's the long as you was a warrior? To his body print was in the couch? Then, I was, let me get the fuck about it. First of all, it wasn't always a couch. Yeah. But how long? What was the long as you stayed?

So if I stayed, so it's multiple, it's multiple situations. He did a year. on somebody's choice. Damn, a year? But then I had to die of the difference because, so I, and I got a shout him out. You're a couch king. Shout about. Thank you.

I appreciate that. Couch king warrior. Yeah. So I got to shout him out. His name is Joe. His name is Joe Turner. What part of the city he was from? This episode of a million dollars worth of a game is brought to you by ZipRecruiter.

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Yeah, and it's like, you know, college area, pine, spruce. But this is what I don't ask you, but when he lets you stay at his crib, did he, but does a girl live in there? No. So that's a, that's a complicated. Okay. We're not going to get into that. It's not why I brought.

him up. Shout the bro out. He fuck me relationship. No, because no, what I'm saying is, because you know what? A girl would be, a dude girl would be like, damn, why he get that. He's still sleeping on the couch? It wasn't even that because, so here's the deal, you know what I'm saying? His mom, because actually he was living in one place and his mom moved to another place

and then the same place she got him a place. Okay. And it was sweet for a minute until, you know, stuff got tight and was like, I can't support, you know, both, you know, households, you got to tell you little friends, we're going to consolidate you can't live with me they got to figure it out right you know what I'm saying

and that was one of the better ones that that's the longest stretch just to answer your question that I did you know what I'm saying so he definitely looked out but then like almost like a week or a couple days before he had to dip because we had a whole month so you know she was like how old was you at this time 20

19 20 when do official couch warrior year start what year do you start hold up no because we got we got an age range what age couch warrior is you could be a couch worry in 15 no no no you can you still can you got to you got you got to kick your ass out and you go and you're going so you're talking about out the crick out the crick yeah he was out the crick yeah he was a young warrior so okay okay okay he went from prince warrior to king warrior yeah because he's hit a year I never heard a year

it was like a yearish something like that so but that but I was I was couch warrioring in multiple places before that I'm just trying to roll with it bro. You're couch warrior We got to add that to it before That's the process. So then

after him so I went to this open mic spot and these two dudes I shout them out too, Aaron and Charlie I got to shout them out. They was at this open mic situation. They was musicians or whatever and I just pulled it because I would do that. I would just pull up to a random open mic spot You know, I feel he is.

I don't just get on the mic or whatever. And they was like, yo, you're dope. Like, what you're up to or whatever? I'm like, I'm like, nothing, chilling. Trying to find a place to stay. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I was like, yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. And I was like, yeah, you know what I'm saying? You know, I can't stay there no more after a while. So I'm just trying to figure out with my next movie. I just came here to like let all some stay. I was like, oh, just stay with us. I'm like, bet. Let's go.

They was black or white? It was black. It was black. I know Aaron and Charlie. I know. Yeah, y'all some, y'all some big make us. Here's what ill. Here's what really ill. Here's was really ill.

So if I got the streets right, so he was staying on, was it 44th or 45th in like spruits or pine or whatever. These dudes were staying on like literally same block, round the corner down the street. I was like, y'all been in here this whole time. Like, yeah. So it was, so it was like a bunch of college kids and like, you know. Yeah. show they parents looked out or whatever and it was like six of them like and when this one you know three story crib it was mad space like bro just stay here so you just max your shit up

and walked down the block yeah literally nigger open the door yeah no it was it was cool and they let me in and dude the biggest couch i've ever seen in my life that nigga house was like this just the one i'd be waiting for was you a blanket or a sheet couch warrior what What was your preference? I didn't, I, I, whatever. Sometimes, neither. I just, you sleep, bro. He just,

he was worried for real. So what I was going to say earlier, sometimes I had to, like, time it because I don't want to, like, stay too long because you were out, you're welcome, and when you really need somebody, like, ah, you know what I didn't, you know what I'm saying? So I kind of, and it was like self-conscious stuff.

Like, I didn't ever want to, then whenever, whenever I was there, I would try to, like, look out, you know, I had things, I'll run, get you something, whatever. But then sometimes I just wouldn't pull up on nobody. And I'd just stay. you know, rent-house, I'd just stay on the park

and take the scepter, back and forth. Like, I would just, you know. Oh, you were asleep on the sub. I didn't done that before. Yeah. I didn't tell you I was a subway. Yeah. When I used to run away from home.

But he's a king basement warrior. I used to sleep on the sub. Like, you know, he wanted them niggas. Decorate the whole basement up. Because, listen. Got his sneaks lined up on the wall. No, no, no, I got there. I got the sheet covering the motherfucking,

like, washing, dry, and all this shit. Like, yeah. But I'm going to say this. I'm mad at that. Get mad at his brain. Who the fuck was down here? Back in the day, I never got mad at a nanny about that nanny too.

I didn't stand by my great-grandma house. Everybody's standing a nanny house in. Who damn? We've been down here. Back in the day, the Philadelphia, the Broad Street line, he used to run all night. Rest and peace to my homeboy, Aunt Lowe. We used to sleep in the cell.

We used to run away from home. And we were asleep all the way at the end. You know, because nobody come at the end. Yeah. So you would just be on the whole cell by yourself. You didn't knock. Yeah. Coach only just sleep and then running.

Morning time, come, we get up and just go and live our life. That had to be like when you was like 11, because you definitely wasn't hanging with me doing no dumb shit. Yeah, but I was, but see, I got tired of the blue line, so I got in the orange line. Oh, you was on the other line. Yeah, I was, you know. You upgraded. Kind of boozy, yeah.

You upgrade this shit. So, take that hold of Fern Rock. Yep, yes. So you're 20 now. Mm-hmm. And what age does life take a turn for you? Mm-hmm. So.

And I want to give you a comming you, because some dudes be in situations with women. to live. They'd be fucking for their life. So they'd be with a woman just breaking a big. No, I couldn't do that. No, facts. But I couldn't do that. Like, that just didn't feel right to me. Plus, I ain't like, I ain't like the idea of being under no woman. That's cool. No, this, but you know what I'm saying?

Like, I just, I just not built like that. He was a couch worry. He wasn't a homeless sexual. Yeah. Homeless. A homeless. A homeless sexual is a dude. You got to stop. No, homosexuals a dude that fuck a woman for a place to stay. For a place to stay. He's a level. So you were in these bars, bro.

There's a lot of them out there right now. There's a bunch of niggum. You know how many women out here that's looking at it? Yeah, he is. All he do is bring home with some dick. That's it. All he brings home is D&P, dick and problems. He's ripping the refrigerator off.

He's eating a little round-rined and a little boo-boos snack. My fucking son gave him more than my son. Luncher booster, luncheboots. Oh, man, he's killing him, Jr. And he's playing the PlayStation. More than a son. Nah, back then, all you had to do, all the, I just gave me, like, up to like, $2 or whatever. I'll go down to, you know what I'm saying,

to the corner of John either, you know, to the, one of the poppies stores. Yeah, with the poppies or, you know what I'm saying? Get your steak. You get the rice and gravy with that. Oh, steak. And the Chinese stores you're at $2.10 cheese steaks

with a little bit of meat in them, Jones like this. So I would either like, so during the day for lunch, that rice and gravy was. I would just get like a regular hoagie or whatever. Dollar hoagie? You got with the dollar hoagies. I get a dollar hoagie.

I was a bag of chips and get me a hug. And you cased out. Listen, this is how I go. And sometimes they throw, they'll throw like an apple in there or whatever. No, but this is how excited you get when you bring up old. See, I'm a little older. I might be, no, you might be older to me. I don't even sure.

We might go. That's all good. Back in the day, one of my classics was I go get a dollar hokey, right? Get a bag of chips. That's a quarter. Get a hug. Yep. Right.

And then I say penny candy me for the red 50. Okay. Penny candy me out with that 50. Blow the 50 cent out. Yeah, straight up. I used to blow that 50 cent out right. Chris. So now I'm walking out of joint

with a whole meal for $2. I was a master of that shit. So then at night I will go to the- I came home. Hold on. I came home at 37 looking for the dollar hoagie. I was pissed. Yeah, yeah, I was stacking my money.

So I was pissed. But at the night, I would just go to, I would go to like the Chinese joint and that's when I would get the rice and gravy. Ooh. Classic. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good meal.

So where ways did, when then it started taking the turn. Oh, so then, you know, um. This episode of a million dollars worth a game is brought to you by ship station In a landscape where it's free and fast shipping is the norm, it can be hard for smaller e-commerce business to compete. Keep yourself competitive with ShipStation.

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right in part of Carvin Carvin. Shut up shout out the Carver yeah shout out the Carver man he's he's a great person yeah hell of a writer too so yeah yeah shots out the Carvin definitely Hell of a right And I got introduced to him Through my managers at the time Jay and Mike I got introduced to him through them Cause

So let me 69th Street Used to be a I don't know if it's still there A movie theater You're not an artist Yeah You're not an artist

They didn't change it To like a regal or AMC I don't know But it's still there But the movie theater But the movie theater It said okay cool So

There's a movie thing On 69th Street And right next to it Used to be a Coconut's record store And I used to Whenever my movie didn't start yet, I would just, you know, waste time at the, at the, at the record store. Mom and Pop joint.

Yeah. It was a franchise. It was like a franchise. Yeah, but it's still a mom and pop joint. That's right there. Okay, okay. Oh, yeah, I got to go check that out. So then whenever, you know, and I would come there a lot and then the dudes that worked there would just see me after a while because I would just play, you know, record roulette.

And I just be like, I got a couple dollars. I'm just going to pick something. I don't know what's out. It might, it might be, you know, fire might be trash. but I was like that dude because I was always looking for new stuff, new stuff. I found a lot of cool stuff that way because I wasn't like always listening to the radio

or listening to what everybody else was listening to and it didn't matter the genre. It could be hip-hop, rock, it could be alternative. I found, I came up on Bjork. I don't know if y'all know Bjork. I know Brokees. Yeah, but I want to just looking.

I want to go before we go too far from this. You say it's something of very important. Oh, okay. Because I'm, I'm a, I'm pro-writer. Got you. I believe that people should have writers. If I was a rapper, I have a writer. Got you.

I just believe in writers and I think a lot of times writers don't get their credit and everybody think because in this day and time they ain't like back in the day everybody's a rapper everybody's doing music

everybody got something but everybody don't think it's uncool to get a writer when some of the greatest artists in the history of life rappers are then have writers and that it's not cool to get a writer

I think that as when I think in rap world it is your bars are your currency your body you know what I'm saying And so it's slightly different. And it's not to say, like, they don't have, you know, writers or whatever.

And I don't think that's the issue. It's just that when you want to have, when you want to have, when you want to be a part of the conversation of where you line up, where you rank, like, now we're talking something different. Nobody's saying you can't have help, but you can't get help. And then you want to put yourself in the same category as people who rock with no help. I think everybody got help, even if I'm in, like, first of all, no, no, it's nothing wrong with getting ideas or whatever. But I just want to, I just want to just make the distinction between being surrounded by people where you catch a vibe. Somebody might say something, you take that, you know, whatever, whatever. That's one thing.

It's another thing for a person to actually literally write everything. Right. That's difference. See, it's a difference if I'm writing for a motherfucker, I want the person to be there. Yeah. So we could put our thoughts together together, not just me just sit here. Ain't no wrong with you. There's nothing wrong with that at all

And just pin the whole thing And then you come in This is my song, nigga You just rapping my show And the thing is That happens Right That happens

But I'm gonna say this Like if you If you go back to Got Love for Gilly I wrote that hook I wrote that I wrote his No I wrote your first stuff

Because I was a person Doing all the writing When we were coming up With the hooks in the studio I wrote this stuff But forget all that And I was sending any raps From jail

But whatever the case may be He had my whole 16s And some of his raps My whole thing is this The only thing I'm saying is Shout out to all Yeah, yeah Yeah, because that makes sense

Shout out to all the writers And Jill Ricky Minaj and Kevin the stallion Shout out to all the writers out there One of the big writers Jadikis was a hell of a writer too Ghost writer But I will say this

I will say this Ain't anything wrong I just think Because Gil always say this You got all these dudes rapping They got the chain They got the clothes They got all that shit

But they ain't got no song So you need a writer A lot of these dudes need writers They don't have no song that's going to stand outside of their neighborhood That's going to stand outside of the people that's already That's going to move and go somewhere It don't necessarily mean they need writers though

It means that a lot of motherfuckers don't be putting that time in in the studio Because if you put enough time in that motherfucker studio Yeah, because eventually you're going to find it Your blessings come from God You're going to find it You put enough time in that motherfucking studio God going to say okay all right You gave me 10,000 hours there you go

And it'll be a song that you never thought in a million years would pop off for you And it'll pop off for you But niggas spent more time in Christian Dior Louis Vuittine Gucci Balenciaga Prada

The jewelry store The club The jewelry store The jewelry store The hooker lounge That's crazy Then they do in the studio And then they realize why

All they got is a bunch of jewelry and clothes And don't nobody give a fuck about Because see Because see When we was younger, we grew up in a real time. So, motherfuckers didn't overspin. So when you seen a motherfucker with designer shit on, it's because he really could afford it.

When you seen a nigger with a nice car, it's because he really could afford it. You be seeing niggers. I be seeing niggas jumping out of Lamborghini trucks. Like them niggas is hunders. That shit's crazy. The last time I checked, A Lamborghini was a wealthy nigger's car.

Like, not even a rich. Like, none of a rich niggas car is a Benz. When a nigger step up to a Lamborghini, that mean, nigger, your money longer than Brawl Street, nigga. You ain't even thinking about money. Right. Money's not even that. I'd be seeing niggers with Lamborghinis.

Yeah, that's crazy. Shit. Then them nigger's life is on the line. Yeah, God bless him. I'm talking about the whole fucking life on the line. Yeah. all the nigga got is a Lamborghini and a low-ass apartment

shit don't even match you know who don't you know who know it don't match all the bitches when you pull up to that low-ass apartment they're like wait nigga you live here with the lime green limbo I gotta be lime green though

because you're gonna get the loudest color motherfucker because he wanna be seen you gotta distract you throw you out the sense so bitch like wait you got 642 square feet apartment in a fucking Lamborghini what the fuck is going on

this shit is crazy jewelry blingin they got more sneaks he can't even fit his sneaks in the apartment part of the motherfucker little he got sneaks in the kitchen you got a good storage unit I'm telling you niggas be out here I'm talking about their front

finagaling yeah forever so it's just way different you know what I mean niggas out here that why you think robbery's not big no more robbery because nigga rob you and then he risked he risked in a hundred years and then get to the jeweler and the nigga like

what you want $22? of this shit. Rahim the jeweler. Ain't nothing this shit real. Wait, I robbed the nigga and the Rose Royce though. Rahim the Jewel. He questioned if the Rose Royce real.

What's the car even real? Nigger, mad the shit. So, we live in a game. We live in a world with everybody's cabin, man. Yeah, and it's easy to do it because, you know, you can broadcast whatever you want to the world

from your pocket. You know what I'm saying? It's crazy. You ain't got to have proof. You ain't got to have receipts. You ain't got to have that. You just got to say it and people are like,

oh, you see you bro with it? Like, you're just going to go off of that? Mm-hmm. That's it? Okay. You can keep following. I'm good. Right.

Because I know what that is. And you might want to stay away because you find yourself in some traffic you don't want to be in. But after you... Anyway, but, but, but so, so, so, but yeah, to your point about the writer thing, like, it's important. I just think that in rap is just different because,

you know that's that's that's that's you you know see what I do what I do from from you know historically and professionally and just you know traditionally we're representing people as a rapper you're representing yourself right you know what I'm saying so when you want to be in the conversation of you know of a go it's like it can't just be simply off of your hits and your song it has to be what you can't because now it's you it's you it's you you You're the person that's up. You're the product, you're the content. You know what I'm saying?

And rap is a lot more aggressive, man. Yeah. Yeah, it's a different arena. You know what I'm saying? It's supposed to be a whole view of how you grew up. Your life. It's not about the song. R&B is not like that.

It's not about the song. For us, it's about the song because that's traditionally how it was named. Well, you sung about love. Well, you sung about love. No, but what R. Kelly said we believe he could fly. To the contrary, that's why I sung about it. That's why I tell people to start all the time. People don't understand.

Man, love is a therapy session. Break the down. I literally started off. Love, there's so many things I've got to tell you. Yeah, okay. I'm talking, no girl. I'm talking, I'm talking to love, right? Like, love is my therapist.

So many things. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm afraid I don't know how. Because there's a possibility that you look at me differently, love. Yeah. Killing's, yeah. You was killing me, too, that was a nigga nice with it.

Ever since the first moment I spoke your name, right? Yeah, from then on I knew that by you being in my life, things would be... Yeah, but what I couldn't say in the three minutes of somewhat, you know, second song is that folk got this shit twisted. I thought that love was supposed to be one thing and people using it to like get over on people like... Oh, when did you come to... When did you come to that person? When did you come to that? My whole life up until then.

My whole life up until then. I'm leading with my heart I'm trying to love everybody and I'm just being taking advantage of I'm taking L's every day just because I want to be solid with people Not just women from friends and family People

All of them And I'm realizing everybody don't think the same Everybody ain't built the same Everybody out for the same thing Like some people will Fonest you Most motherfuckers are finesse you know Okay

So y'all already know I'm talking about that And I'm thinking like, yo, why can't you just be fucking cool? I'm trying to be genuine. No, no, no. I'm just trying to be a good person. I didn't get the email.

Like, that's not what you do. No. You know, I'm thinking that that's how you're supposed to. I'm trying to live up, you know, standing citizen of the world and be righteous. I didn't get like, no, that's just what we tell people so that we can get what we need to get out of them. And then when we don't with them, we move on. I didn't, I didn't know that.

Yeah, you want to be righteous. They're like, look at Martin Luther King. Yeah, isn't it? We're about to rob the shit out again. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, I got swung on sometimes like, whoa, what are you doing? Yeah. Confused.

I'm trying to be the good guy. It's weird, man. So did you feel like good guys finish last? I always tell you that. Yeah. Because you're going to always let other people go. You're going to always accommodate people. You're going to always make room for people.

You're going to always look out for every. everybody else. You're going to put you, you come last because you put yourself last. Because you're the good guy. Yeah, I am good guy. It's a good guy right now who's doing everything right. He goes to work.

He makes $200,000 a year. He loves his family. He comes home every day on time. He eats dinner with the wife and kids. Pay all the bills. They go on vacation three times a year. He pays all the bills. And his wife is meeting a ball player at the Whitley throwing his dick and balls in

for no reason at all. His wife, his wife, his wife, his wife is in close proximity to that. What do you do? You know what? His wife might be his might be him. No, because he's the good guy. And the fact that the matter is women love bad boys. And this is for whatever reason, I don't know if it's the whole or more.

I think it's a misdirected, um, uh, kind of like trait. Break it down from way back. Break that shit down. You know. Like, if you think about we as a species and how we evolved, there was a time where it wasn't your best interest as a woman to go with the meathead because you're going to make sure you eat. You're going to make sure you protect it.

You're going to make sure, you know, you have a good night. And he's going to fuck somebody up about you. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And don't care. You don't want to, you don't want to, oh, I'm sorry, you don't want that guy. Not back then. That's how you die. Yes.

Because those animals. don't care about your niceness at all you know what I'm saying you and then and then it started evolved and technology started coming in and then you know you had a lot of people that had a lot of ideas well I don't want to work I don't want to go hunt I want to take what you got because you already got it so it's easier for me I know where you're going to be you know what I'm saying so that and I think that that thing you know I could be wrong I'm no I'm no historian I'm no psychologist but I'm just saying it just sounds like that when you do the math a little bit that I think it once we got to the point where all of that wasn't necessary where it was cool to kind of chill a little bit and be a little more sensible and reasonable and you know, it's got to take nobody out and take theirs like you can, it's systems in place where you can work it and get yours. You know what I'm saying? It's fairish to, you know, for everybody to get theirs. But I think that moved faster than evolution. You know what I'm saying? That's like why we, you know, we want the, you know, the coolest, purest, chillest,

Like, no problem is, you know, we have that thing. Like, we don't, you know, if you've been around, it's like, I, like, you know, I'll play with you, but I can stay with you, you know, because I don't know where you've been. Right. You know, and no diss to you, but I'm looking for something else. Yeah, you know, I'll lay you down and spray you down, but I ain't going to stay around. Yeah. Because I don't know how I'm going to get.

But after, after that song came out, did you ever get in love? You ever feel in love? Okay. Let me go back because. You're trying to, you're really doing your job. But let's go back. I go back. So back to the record store.

So the dudes there saw that I keep coming in. They're like, yo, bro, you keep coming in. You're like, you know what I'm saying? You went to music, whatever. And it turns out the dude that was working there, his name was Jay. He was a songwriter, you know, singer, and another dude named Brian that worked there, too. And they lived down the street. And we would just kick it.

Talk about groups. talking about music, talk about something, what are you into, blah, blah, blah. And then I was saying for them when I said, oh, you're good, by what, yo, actually, our manager is like, you know, been looking for artists, he's blah, blah, blah, and okay, cool. So I pulled up one time when he was there, he's like, okay, cool, I got a partner. We're going to try to do you good. We try to, you know, do something with you, got a phone call. Sometime, the time is fuzzy.

The timeline is fuzzy how, but eventually they put me in contact with Carvin. He was working at a touch of jazz studio, no Jazzy Jeff spot. Yeah. And I came in Basically now I think about it was literally auditioning because I was singing background on a song that he was working on with these girls Areas So he was like just sing background and basically to be like let me see what you could do And see if you see if you even were for my time

Right You know he probably wasn't thinking that way but I'm just projecting No he was thinking that way for sure probably Absolutely so I got on there and he was like oh I can work with you You know what I'm saying so it was then it was the holidays season. So he was like, yo, when we get back in, you know, I got these ideas or whatever and blah, blah, blah. So that's how that started. And then top of 99 is when I started

coming through. He started, you know, we eventually started writing pretty much all the songs. Most of the songs that ended up being on, I just want to sing, we're Ella's gone, we're just friends. They actually wrote half crazy too, but I sent, I tried to submit that shit, but it didn't get picked up. So that's why when Just Listen came out, I was like, yo, I didn't hear about that record that I submitted. Like, can I get it back? That was my favorite shit. He was like, let me go see.

And it's like, oh, yeah, it's still open. So we changed some things around, and then that beat, that's how that got on that. But don't change, paparazzi. No, that don't change, came back. But paparazzi, 17, all of these records, and I'm just recording just to be recording. It's first time I've been in the studio. I mean, I've been in somebody crib, and they did let us record there, and the closet was the booth, like, but nothing really came out of that.

But that was the first time I was at a studio. I could hear myself. I could, like, record and then take the recording and listen to, like, show it off to people. Like, this is what I could do. Because other than that, I was just pulling up the people. Like, yo, can I sing for you? At rush hour. At the close pen, let's go.

And folks would be like, bro, get out of my way. I'm trying to go home. What fuck is you doing, man? It's 5.30, man. What are you doing? Exactly. I don't get fucks you with 17. Leave a bitch alone.

I didn't sing that. All right. But no, but I would do that because I was self-conscious Because I couldn't be the only person that believed that I was good And the homie's going to tell me I'm good Because, you know, they're trying to look out No, I want somebody At probably the worst time of the day

Yeah Like, like I could have got swung going a couple times But they was like Yeah, I had swung going on. All right, go ahead, go. You'd walk up on me at the clothespin. Love. Hold on, dog.

Fuck tight time, you all, man. And I would have slept out of that and kept going. And I would have got you And you would have been like, you know what? I remember that, Nick. I was going to whoop your ass, but you all right, though. Nigger, you're nice. So, but I needed that because I didn't have no confidence,

so I needed, I just needed proof. And you know what's so crazy from the outside looking in hearing people music and you would think it was totally different. You would think music was one of the most confident niggas, got all the bitches, he'd just be laying around with 11 bitches for no reason, just singing with his shirt, for them

love all the bitches and then you then you meet you like no I wasn't confident at all like I was doubt so I figured this shit out and that's why

you know that's why you don't see me a lot of places because you know I'm actually I'm an inside dude I'm not an outside dude

you know introverted so how was the women for you anyway so that's a whole that's a whole

another I know that's what We want to get into that whole other. Nope. I love my kids. All right. Okay. We're going to leave it.

Shout out to the babies. Yeah, shout out to the babies. They make it all worth it. Right. He don't want you to know. Your daddy was a savage. He was 21. No.

No. He was 21 savage. He was 21. Savage first. Shout out to 21. Because he said 99. I was 21. That's what shit started having.

Savage. Came up off them couches. No, he dropped love. Without saying too much, I had a very interesting timeline with that. And as, it's, I, I just don't want to talk about that yet because I'm still unpacking all of that stuff. Okay. I'm still unpacking all of that stuff. He's still unpacking women for 24 years.

But we will say this, being a singer had a lot of women coming at you. A lot of women was coming at you. Yeah, no, but the thing is, I couldn't see it because I just wasn't that dude. I did, I felt like it was. wrong to do that you was a one woman man yeah okay yeah I thought that was because I felt like it was it felt predatory like of course now you're gonna be on my nuts

because I can sing and you but you don't like me for me and I'm messed up on the inside that I need to be with somebody that I feel like likes me for me and how could you like me for me when I don't even like myself I don't even know that I don't like myself yeah he was he was a vicious thinker yes most guys get on they don't give a fuck I don't give a fuck

she don't like me and then what I'm gonna do with you what I'm gonna take it to somebody else's crib what I'm gonna do I ain't got no bread I can't take you out I'm talking about when you got some bread when you started getting you was hot he was saying now now you only like me because I got bread okay yeah and you only like her because she give it out he it's abusive

no you're not wrong I'm trying to so I'm trying to give you context of where I was at that time mentally that's why I said walking up I said yo I didn't but I'm thinking Now I'm realizing that I What I say? You said you didn't you did I say I said I said I would have

But now I'm thinking that I should have With a bunch of the win I didn't at the time because I'm I was twisted bro And it was coming at you from so many different ways Yeah I didn't know what it was I didn't know what it was you know And all I'm seeing is red flash Red flash red flags red flags you only here for the bread

You only hear but I'm not thinking like Yeah but that's not necessarily a bad thing At least you know what they're there for so you shouldn't feel bad to get what you're getting out of it. Now, as you get old, see, you was thinking like an old head at the early age. Because I had to grow up quick. Yeah. I had to grow up quick, too.

But I went thinking like that when we was on tour. I'm just something to keep it in front of. So then people like this, you probably had, oh, geez, I was kind of like. No, but hold on the one thing, one thing, music, music, one thing. He said when we was on tour. Okay. You did a tour in the Tri-State area. You ain't going to fucking.

You went to Philly, Delaware, and Baltimore. That's the fuck all you. You said, you just said a tour, bro. You just hit a tour, bro. You just hit a tour, like you fucking went to him. Bro, you know we had a real tour bus. Where? I was in jail.

I didn't hear about it. You didn't hear about it. Fuck, Tor, you went to, see. No, we had a tour bus with all our faces. You were acting like you was new fucking additional, backstreet boys are fucking about it. They don't get you a tour bus. I'm tired of his line. I don't know nothing about this.

This is bullshit. We're going to pull it. We're going to bring the picture up. Right here on this podcast, right here. We're going to bring the picture up. You can digitally. Put a tour bus. Put a tour bus with a pitcher on there.

On the tour. No. We all standing in front of the picture back in the test. But I'm saying you said the tour like you were to fucking see. I'm tired of this shit. I'm tired of this shit like you was a big time rapper. You just mad because you wasn't able to go. You got caught.

You were hosting. No, I'm not here because I'm just telling the truth. I'm not hating, y'all. And you never got a chance to go. I'm just saying. It was a C league rapper. Tell me how you won a tour. We just mad.

What you were saying? Trying to hate telling him out of the heat. He's a hate him out of here. But go ahead, man. Oh, you fucked him up. I didn't. He knew what he was talking about. He said, man, when you was on tour, you said you wish you would have done it, but you didn't.

Right. He wished you would have got all that ass and you didn't, man. Yeah, I do. Oh, I would think like, I'll say, oh, so, you know, I'm sure you probably had, you know, and I'm just assuming you correct with wrong way, but you probably had people that kind of pulled you aside and, like, you know, gave me on certain things here and there. Yeah. Yeah. That ain't really come that way for me.

Yeah. I ain't really have a lot of people pulling me aside, pulling me on game. Because I was so high functioned, I had people just assumed that I just knew. And you know what I noticed a lot, too, about a lot of artists. A lot of them really be, like, more how you are than how people assume they are.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like, no, I just really stay to myself. You know, I just make my music. Because we'd be spending a lot of time trying to figure shit out. We don't have a lot of time. Like, you don't, I mean, you've got different types of people.

Some people, they came into it a certain way. I didn't have, like, you got to understand. I started recording officially, officially, in 99. I got my deal in 2000. Right. No time when I first, to develop anything. Do you think you overthink things a lot of times? Clearly, yes.

I do. Like, too much. See, that's the difference between you. I learned how to dial that back because I just got tired of the headaches. See, that's the time of the insomnia. I got tired of the anxiety. I got tired of the depression. I got tired of the sickness.

I said, dude, you're going to have to chill. You're going to have to figure it out. 99 hit. You were sleeping on couches. 2,000 hit. You get a check. Yeah. You got that first check.

What did you do? Got me a crib. Oh, you got a crazy first check. It was, it was nice. It was nice. It was better than, you know, $2, you know, poppy meal. Did you invite dudes to be a couch warrior just spot? Nah.

Damn, you ain't. Brought nass. No, no, no, no, no. To all eight couches are being. Fucked their couch. No, because everybody that I knew was going. Good. Oh, they was cool.

I was the one that needed help. Okay. So the biggest thing I could do for them is to not weed them for nothing. You know? To not be deading up no more fucking couches. And plus, you know, I'm, you know, I'm low-key anti, so I ain't want nobody know where I was. And because I'm thinking about I don't want nobody, you know, start acting like, you

all know, like, no. So the people that knew me, we were still cool, you know, and I was still kicking with them here and there. I would play records for them and stuff. Tell them about what's going on. Where did you move to? I was out, well, first crib. My first crib was 30, 30, 30, 30, 33 and something.

33rd and something, I forget. You were still in the city. He was by Drexel. Around there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it was like you get off on the, um. Eway? No, the, what's that name of that road, school kills right there?

The drive. Yeah, school kill, drive. Yeah. And you get off, you come under that tunnel, you bang that left, you go up two streets, and that was my house. Yeah. And Carvin used to, after the studio session, we used to take that ride and listen to the records. It was a cool ride, you know what I'm saying? It was, like, it was a really cool ride, you know, after the session.

We just listened to the records, the ward is right there, you know, the lit up houses or whatever. It was just a nice little vibe, you know what I'm saying? We talk about stuff, you know what I'm saying? That's one thing I will say about Carve, you know what I'm saying? He was one of the ones. I say, like, Sparks throughout my life. They would put me on game with, you know, little stuff, you know what I'm saying? And we would just connect with the subject matter of the songs, you know.

But then, you know, when stuff started moving, you know, everything just shifted because it was like game time all the time. You know, there's no moment to chill. There was no moment, you know, the powwow. There's no moment to like, you know, catch up. It was just like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. You know what I'm saying? So that was a whole new experience. for me like I was a whole celebrity and it's like like nobody told my brain nobody told my nervous

system folks pulling up on me I'm like yo it's like oh shit they want a picture okay but I'm not used to that because there was no here's how you be an artist when people mean there's no none of that I'm like why is you pulling up on me like I can like I can feel that you got to train yourself to feel that shit when you don't look because you got you the only one there like nobody's coming so that you know pay attention but I had to it took me a minute to keep hitting the override button on that like yo that's not a hostile that's a fan like yeah calm down you know I see that's one thing about you a lot of motherfuckers be overthinking shit man I'm glad you let that shit go a little bit I had to man I had to

that shit was killing me because I don't overthink shit now you're experiencing the game as an artist signed to a major label how was that for you business side because you know it's a lot of stories and you ask a lot of deep questions bro that require way too much time don't I don't want all the time. Wait too much time. I don't want all the time, but it's artists coming up now that need the information because they don't even know what to do. I'm going to try to.

So the blessing and the other side of the blessing to the fact that shit happened the way that it did for me was it happened in such a way that it never happens. You know, I just referred to it the other day to like, you know, it being almost like a Cinderella story, but midnight never happened. You know, midnight never came. I'm still in the fit. I'm still in the wit. Like, I'm still lit.

Like, oh, so we just keep going. Like, yeah. It's like, I don't know what I'm doing. It's fine. Just keep going. Like, all right. You know, my guy, Norma, my manager, he likes to refer to me. What is the Graemeathrowns guy?

Yeah. Yeah. Because he says, like, you to do that you don't want it, but you're destined to be it. You know, so most of my career was like, but, no, it's not happening how I wanted to happen. It's like, yeah, but you're trying like crazy. You got people singing your song.

Like, you're making some of the most iconic music. Yes. And you bitching about details because it's not happening how you saw. Who told you that you had the best played? Why not just ride with this and see how it turns out? Right. So I said, you know, it's some bullshit, but I ain't doing nothing else, so might as well. how ungrateful is that how arrogant is that you know what I'm saying and I wasn't trying to be

ungrateful or arrogant it's just that I had a picture in my mind and the idea that I had was the thing that kept me out of you know kept me off the ledge up until now like that's what kept saving me like I would check out but I'm really trying to get here so let me just stick around you know and see it through you know so when it wasn't when it was happened I was grateful but when I started realizing it wasn't happening how I envisioned it you know and it took me a minute to realize like bro there was no way realistically how you wanted it to happen was going to happen it was it would have cost too much you would have had to have the confidence of people investing in you like this is a business you just got here dude just take the check

and do what they say and at the very least showed them and proved to them that you're worth it but i didn't i didn't i didn't understand that so i'm i'm just hot i'm just tight the whole time. And then I'm learning a lot of new things. Like singing in the studio is different than singing on stage. And it's singing on stage. And night after night, after night, after night, it's going, you know, change the way that you sing.

You better be a tea drinking motherfucker too. Can you imagine what it's like to have to sing love with no voice? Love! Do they play the music behind it so you can try to cheat? I don't. I wouldn't let my... And there's so many of them. You know, it's like, no.

There's like people like cheat. Oh, just, you know, just, just play the CD and just have your foot. Nah. Nigger, no shit at you. I would rather take the L for fucking up than cheat. And people find out. You ever had a show where they felt as though. You ain't do what you need to do like they booed?

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I ever got booed. But I got, you know, people disappointed, you know, and rightfully so because I didn't, I didn't deliver. You know what I'm saying? It's not because I didn't want to. It's just because I ain't have it.

And there was no, how can I, how can I communicate that? Sorry, y'all. I ain't got it today. How do you communicate that? How do you get that across? But the flip side to it is, I bet you, I guarantee you there's been some shows that he went into like, man, fuck this shit crazy. My shit ain't right.

And then got through it and was like, that wasn't that bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of those. A lot of times, a lot of times, the people that did. They're there for you, so they really love you. They really got a connection to you. So when you explain to them, man, I've been singing for six nights straightened, bro.

You know, I love y'all. I do that now. They wanted me to cancel. I do that now. But I wouldn't cancel on you motherfuckers for the world. I do that now. No, I do that now. But before, I would put it all on me.

Yeah. You know what I would be in my head like, you know, you ain't got just. You needed me. You know you needed me around. Yeah, that would have helped. That would have helped. I would have told you. No, go out there with this excuse.

Go out there and tell them this, they're going to appreciate you. Yeah. You could have been a Rodee on your tour. You would have been, you could have been a background singer, though. No, you was a Rodeon cash money, so it don't matter. What the fuck is a Rode? A Rodey is somebody to just hang around. They don't got nothing going on.

They hang around. They roll blunts, they chill. They go get the girls. Go get the girls while I'm on stage. Get the fuck out of it. Shut your dumb ass up, man. Before we get out of here, man. Welcome to that episode of a million dollars worth a game,

been in the spotlight. We need you use some game and some news you can use in order to get off the couch like Gil was on the couch. He was a couch warrior for years. He used to have his whole lay in the couch. I'm talking about the sneaker set up. The whole hookup man. But think about it.

I was better than you. Yeah, it don't matter. You was a basement worry. Yeah, but it's still the same. It's still in the same area of concentration. Like, they still neck and neck in the same sport, same style, same loserism. You know, it didn't matter. Basement or a couch in the middle.

But you felt like the basement was yours. Nobody can come down here. The basement was better because the basement was around. And then he was like, motherfucker. I got to watch clothes. Fuck you mean. Yeah, but I'm saying you can hide the watch machine behind the sheet. But listen, the day we got Bonifaz Agante.

He on here, man, give you the online game, how he got in the game. How did you get in the game? How old would you, how did you first get into the game of online e-commerce, you know, blogs, all that stuff? How did you get in the game? First of all, before you tell him how you get in the game, right? How you got in the game, right? I just want to say I've seen this motherfucker right here in Africa, spent two million dollars

at the age of 22 years old that was four years ago right and bought a fleet of trucks a business set up over in Africa a fleet of trucks what were you doing with those trucks man so basically so where I'm from is West Africa

Liberia so Liberia have different like fertilizer palm oil and all these different things that like just different resources right got there right so basically what ended up happening how I really got convinced to even do that was basically my dad yeah because I used I've been making I've been making money online for a long time and I've been living my life just living a life laptop lifestyle that's how that's all we did so my dad convinced me he was like yo invest in Africa and all of this and all of that I didn't want to do it but then when I saw how he was struggling

I was like, damn, I got to help my dad because he was a bus driver. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, man, I got to help my dad. Instead of him being here at a bus driver, let me see what I can create in Africa that would make sense. So first he came to me with the idea and stuff like that. He was like, hey, buy one truck or something like that. I'm like, bro, I'm not going to go to Africa for one truck. Like, that's not going to make me go to Africa.

So I was like, make it make sense. If we can do at least $250,000 a month, I'll go. I'll be like, all right, let me go to Africa and go there and do, you know what I'm saying? Because I was raising the United States. I was raised in Minneapolis. Right. So he came to get, he came with me to a whole proposal and every single thing, found the contracts for all the trucks and all that.

He came to me and I said, okay, let's do it. And I pulled the trigger on that and did that with him. That's what's up, man. I've seen you out there. They look at you like, I see how they was greeting you, how they was talking to you. Like, you damn they're like Prince Jaffe out there, motherfucker here. Now, how did you get in the game? when you say the laptop, you was operating a laptop with, you know, your homie.

Yeah. Help introduce you to the internet. How did it go? So basically how it went was I used to play basketball. So my, all my homies used to look up to me. Did you have a real game? I could hoop hoop. I could hoop.

I could hoop. Yeah. They'd be balling in a lot. I go hoop. All right. So my homie was like, yo, Bonnie, I'm making $30 grand a month when I used to work at Costco. It was like, I'm making $30 grand a month online. I'm like, you're making $30,000 a month doing what?

He was like, bro, I'm making $30 grand a month just creating blogs. I'm like, what blogs? He was like, bro, I literally create these blogs, and I pull Google ads on the blog and Google pay me. So he saw me his ass, cent, dollars, and all of that. I was like, damn, and it's back then. So I, you know, I try to dibble and dabble in it, try to see if I could do it because I was working at Costco trying to find something for myself. So what ended up happening, I was like, man, I can't do blogs because I was in a great

Spell it. It's like, bro, I can't do that. So basically what ended up happening was that I started doing my own research. I did the smartest thing I ever did in my life. I went on YouTube and typed in, how do I make money online? My life changed from there. Yeah. And now everything here is a blessing, bro. You're awesome real life.

To even think about that right now and I'm here, you know what I'm trying to say? Like, this whole thing is a blessing. Like, why I'm in here, me here right now, bro, is not who I used to be. Right. You get what I'm saying And it's just shit Like who I used to be bro I was a regular guy

Just trying to figure his life out And then look Look how far it came What was the first move you made Online What did you sell What did you create You created an online store

So basically I created an online store With Just selling like heels And accessories Was you putting ads on it? Yeah I was putting ads on it So I was using Facebook ads So this one Facebook

Just started really pumping making advertisers come on their platform, like how TikTok is doing now. So Facebook, I literally used to spend like $5 a day on Facebook ads and started making sales. Literally got in the game where I'd spend it like $200 back then.

You get what I was saying? Because it was a new, it was a new ad source. And now you just gave up some game. TikTok is the new ads. Oh, TikTok is going crazy. What is you doing? Huh? Talk about it.

So TikTok is literally like how Facebook used to be. Like Facebook is really complicated. For average consumer to really learn how to do Facebook ads You really got to focus on it But with TikTok you could literally create a campaign You could literally create a campaign Literally in literally less than freaking 10 minutes And you don't got to do all the finding interests

And stuff like that like how Facebook is You don't got to do that Literally can create a campaign, bam You start making some sales if you got a good ad creative The ad creative Act creative is basically the video The consumer is going to see on their screen So that's the ad creative

Oh man do How you go about getting them done There's people that specialize And making them I mean you could just Dude hold this for me And then she would hold it for me And I'll just record six videos

And just bam I got my ads Oh so if the people come into you Right you're on here And you're gonna get people to game An online stores So they come to you What is some of that

You know Some of the cheekos Are having an online store And so how do you set it up So you gotta use There's different type of platforms You can use to set it up So the first thing you can use

is Shopify. Shopify literally broke the barrier entering the Korean online stores. You can use Shopify to set it up. And when you use Shopify, that's your website. Now, the next thing that you need to do... You got to get a domain name first. Yeah, you can get it, but Shopify has a thing where you can actually get a domain name

when you create a Shopify store. So what do you think right there? How much is the Shopify store? I mean, Shopify is like, they got cheap entries, like $33. But they have actually add all the other apps and other things. Yeah, you can add all the... it goes up but that stuff don't matter if you know how to run ads because let's say like how I was getting started and I spent like $200 on ads within that month all the apps

costs didn't even matter because I was making over 20 grand right so none of that stuff matter you know what I'm saying I didn't really when I was first getting started I was just trying to hustle to try to do something you get what I'm saying so basically I didn't care about how much the app costs I didn't care about how much this costs I just saw people was making money with and I was get started doing it and figure it out right and you can and you go and show people and teach people how to do that oh yeah yeah i'm going to teach people so basically what i'm going to teach people is basically how to set up an online store how to larity find the products how the larity advertise the products and how to build a team because a lot of people don't realize when you create business

the most important thing with business and anything is a team the reason why i was able to scale my business because i got a proficient team my team works they get stuff done so i'm going to help you build a structure so you can have a team like that. That's going to actually get the job done for you and you're not just going to have people just being there. Damn, so at the end of the day, this is what I need to know. Yeah. Has it changed dramatically since you stepped in in your time of entry

and now, like, you know, with ads, like if a person got money for ads, like how much more is the ads? I understand you got TikTok, but what about the other platforms that you can advertise this stuff on? So other platforms, it's all about what product you're selling. every platform has like if I'm running product on Facebook ads right and I know Facebook ad costs is higher I'm probably going to sell a more expensive product because then I will have more room to make more profit so it's all about what platform you want to push your product on

do you teach that yeah 100% we'll go over all of that we'll go over hey you want to use TikTok you can sell a low ticket product you want to use Facebook it's better for you to sell high ticket products because they're more expensive now than it used to be Instagram is kind of the same boat you got to sell high ticket product with Instagram and Facebook. TikTok is a younger audience so you want to sell lower ticket products. You maximize it. That makes sense because

kids can spend less money. Exactly. So that makes a lot of sense. Now how long did it take for you to hit when you enter the game because a lot of times people be discouraged. You got people that have great ideas. They got to drive. You got people that probably got stores that they want to

set up but sometimes you get discouraged because it's like how long this shit going to take? How long did it take you and how long could it take? I'm just saying for anybody if they apply to write ads and all that stuff. How long do it take for them to start making like $1,000? Everything your life is about focus. Okay. So if a person gets started, any business you start in 30 days, you can make something happen of it.

But are you focused to make those things happen of it? So for a person to get started, when I first, I started getting success within the first month. Within the first month, I started making like $10,000, $20,000. a month just the first month of me getting started and what would you sell it just the hills I was selling accessories first chokers that's when that choker stuff used to be out yeah yeah yeah he's a water chokers and I wear it no but see now

people reach out to you you know what I mean Bonifizagante they're going to go to your Instagram DM you and then what's on the screen right there see and then what's going to happen from there you're going to get with them in so basically what happens is that if you DM you DM you on Instagram we have an offer right now that we're pushing so basically we have a DFOI offer So instead of you going out there trying to build your own online store, my team can actually build it for you because you don't got to go try to find a product.

You don't got to hire the team. You don't got to do nothing. And my team can literally build the team and help you set up a store that's already going to be proficient. And then you can learn how to manage the store by working with my team. And it's your store. It's like our agency, you're just telling us, hey, I want you to build my store for me and pay us. And then we do it for you. all right now let me ask you a question like how do you get the products and when you do get the products are you drop shipping is they going from the warehouse to the plate like how do they how do the shipping go so it's all based on the clientele that we're working with some people we do have they have a warehouse and they ship the 90% of people what we do is that they just drop ship they can literally we get the products from we can literally get the product from alley express and list it on the store then we can start running ads for them to their store and then next thing you know the ali just shipping it out yes so

there's vendors in China so we have relationships with people in China that basically ship the product to the customers overseas so soon as somebody go to your store and buy the product our vendor in China gets the alert and it's shipped the product to your customer so all you're doing is drop ship you're basically being a middleman and all you're doing is marketing and all we're doing is marketing exactly you just market market market market they should just run up run up run up and you just run yep what's the best month you had on line in my business Yeah

The best month I had online Was 1.4 million You were selling all type of stuff Selling all type of stuff Look at him That's he think He's a real African prince Now that's why

You're real your balls is clean You ain't his eye And so tell the people You never see you coming to America I see it coming to America I'm all I'm the fucking new Prince Hakeem, right? Legendary.

It was legendary. Boniface, tell him, before we get up out of here, tell them anything they need to know, man, and why they should be getting with you, man, how to get at you,

man, and what you're going to do to change their life? All right, first thing, first, let me give you guys five principles of success, right? Because this is the number one thing that changed my life, right? At the end of the day,

I was a guy who was living in Minnesota that didn't have nothing for himself. And now I'm here today. I've changed my family. life and I've changed my life. There's five secrets to wealth creation that you have to understand. Once you understand this, anything you want to achieve

in your life, you can achieve it. The first one is who you listen to. You have to listen to somebody who have what you want and has been where you are. Because that person can show you the process they went to to get to exactly where they're at. A lot of people out there are listening to the wrong people. That's why they haven't achieved

that success. Then there's a second basic. It's your teachability index. Your teachability index is your willingness to learn times your willingness to accept change. A lot of people are willing to learn, but they're not willing to change. So I could bring, anyone can bring information to you, but are you going to be willing to change to be able to achieve that success that they bring it to you? And it's the third basis is your training balance skill.

It's 90% of your thinking and 10% of your action. A lot of people, the reason why they don't achieve success in their life is because they're working so hard. Success is not about working. It's about thinking. Because once you think it through, you can process it through your action. People who work now out of five jobs, they're working, working, working, working, working, working, working, working, working, working, working, working, working, working, working. It's about thinking. That's how success is bringing.

Then after this four phases of learning new information in life, because a lot of people get discouraged when it comes to learning something new. So number one, it's called unconscious incompetent. Unconscious incompetent means that you don't know what information out there. exist, which means all of us we don't know stuff exists. I'm sure you guys didn't know how to create a podcast and all these years ago, right? You didn't know this stuff exist. So basically, then the second phase is conscious, incompetent, which means you know it exists, but you don't know how to do it, which is fine because we all know stuff exists and we don't

know how to do, right? The next phase is conscious competent. Conscious competent means that you know it, you are applying it, and you're doing it. then there's the next phase which is called unconscious competent which means you can do on allopilot so what I'm trying to say is that in life

those are the four five four and the fifth basic is mastering the basic the fundamental with anything but that's the five thing a person really have to understand for them to achieve success in their life because if they're listening to the wrong people

how do you think they're going to achieve that success from the time I was 21 I was like 19 years old I struggle before them but I've never struggled again because I knew the principle of success I got to find people who's doing what I want to do

and just listen to that person and let them guide me All right we're telling me how they can contact you So how you guys can contact me is straightforward So you can literally go and follow me on Instagram

or you can follow me on YouTube I literally drop content all the time I'm mostly active on Instagram but I'm going to be active more on YouTube and if you want to work with me just DM me on Instagram online store. Listen, man,

that was another episode of a million dollars worth of a game been in the spotlight. Get one of my man Bonifza Agante and it's just like that. Right.

Yeah, super self-conscious I got that perfectionist spirit got that bully in my brain and that dude I do be at my neck every time be in the hotel room just going over the whole show

you know what I'm saying? It's like having a toxic coach you know what I'm saying just always in your head and it's like but it's me you know? So I had to get

to the point where it's like, bro, you got to stop doing that, man. Because it robbed me, it, like, it hijacked my ability to appreciate what I accomplished despite that, you know, and I started getting really frustrated about a lot of things. And I had to realize, well, the reason why you frustrated is because you feel like you're not really accomplished, you know, you feel like you're not really getting, you know, good work done. You don't feel like people, you know, really see you for, you know, you know, you know, what you, you know, are getting done. And it's like, because you're not getting the, the specific feedback,

and really is because you're not getting the specific feedback from specific people. But you're putting it, you're projecting it out onto the world, and you don't realize that you, like, you're, like, you feel like the victim, but you're the villain in this story because you're the one that's doing it to yourself. You know what I'm saying? So I had to learn how to, like, stop doing that. And it was from my guys, you know, just giving me the outside perspective, because you guys said it took me a minute to get these guys.

Yeah. I'd like, they just. So how long you've been working with my man? So we've been, you know, in proximity to each other, essentially my whole life because he's homies with my little brother. But it wasn't until, you know, stuff got really weird. So I just made my brother my manager because I was trying to figure stuff out. He ain't no shit from nothing.

But I just wanted to, like, expose him to this. And it's like, you know, at least. least I know like he's not going you know he ain't going to do me dirty um because you know we come from the same house like I know his whole timeline right you know what I'm saying so he's you know he was pretty solid and he just broke him in and was like yo because apparently there was a lot of work because he like found I ain't built for this though he get some help so he wrote him in and I realized bro I'd you know seen him around but I never really got to know him and that was like what was that like six?

I know, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, around that time. But even still. 11 years? No, since 2011. 2013 years. So I had another manager at the time, but, you know, that kind of went in a different direction. I'll just say that.

And then that's when my brother took, you know, took the ring. That's when I gave him. And that was what year? it had it been like 13 14 yeah but then you know that went in another direction and then it was all on you what 16 15 15 16

you know and that's when he got he got bro over there in you know what I'm saying and then around 17 is when I could say like it really was officially them. And that's when I was able to start like getting real work done. But before I could get real work done, we had to undo a lot of bad work.

You know what I'm saying? I didn't realize it was on my name. Was it paperwork? It was a lot of work. Damn. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. You know what I'm saying?

Like I couldn't get shows, you know, off of certain, you know, reasons. there's people I was getting a bad reputation not because of me but because of people that was representing me again I'm not knowing this because

I'm putting my trust in these people you know what I'm saying so your initial deal was it a good deal I think so I didn't understand that it was at the time because again I'm thinking I'm not doing what I want to do but I'm not understanding

yeah you might not be doing what you want to do but what you're doing is good and it's working and nobody gets this deal you know what I'm saying so I didn't know how to appreciate it at the time you know and now looking back on it like I I can't even like express how grateful I am that it happened the way that it happened because despite my perspective on things how would happen and how much I work and how much effort I put into it And the fact that I stuck with it and I pushed through was how I was able, that's how I was able to be sustained when, when shit got low.

Like through the shutdown. Yeah. All that work, I was able to, you know, sustain myself off of that. No, I wasn't, you know, at the same rate that I'm used to when I'm doing show, but it was enough where, you know, my kids was good, you know, all the priorities were being taken care of. Some things caught an elbow. We were able to, like, you know, make it up in time when things started opening them.

back up and stuff but I'm making that point to say like it's only recently within the last past you know five to seven years that I was able to lock in and focus on building you know so people don't understand like this whole time up until then was my learning curve and I was I was going to but I'm not a complainer so I'm not going air out my stuff and you'll see me or you won't see me you know but I'm not going to be like yo so-and-so did me greasy and I'm you know I'm trying to figure it out I'm bad I'm hurting right now can y'all just send like I'm not about to do all of that. ask you a question

seeing how the game is now would you still if you was if you was right now doing it over again starting young whatever doing would you sign with a major would you go independent so that's what the

that's what the intention was to go indie I wanted to start off indie you know because Philly just you just you grow up with that like do it yourself go get it go do it yourself you know what I'm saying it's either that or you know

and that fuck you up sometimes too because a lot of times you think you could do it by yourself. Yeah, you do. And you can't. No, no, you need help. You need help. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

Like maybe, you know what I'm saying? Petty stuff here and there. Yeah, you can get a dollar here. You can get some, oh, it's cute. You got some change. But the machine is where is that? Yeah. It is.

It is. It is. It's just a matter of knowing how to work it to your benefit. Because the machine is, it's not biased. It's not. It just is what it is. You know what I'm saying? Either you use it.

it or you get used by it. So it's all the matter of now it's you. But I think a lot of people like to point fingers and blame and complain because they don't want to assume accountability for what they're putting in and what they're not putting in. People think

extremely highly of themselves and don't realize like you're not putting in as much work as you think you are. You just think you are. Where's the proof? That's what I was saying before. It wasn't enough to me for me to think so and the homies think so I appreciate it. No, I need an objective perspective.

I need somebody that don't own me, none. I ain't got a dog in the fight. And I need for them to tell me, not because, you know, they know more or whatever, but I know that it's coming from, you know, a relatively genuine place, not because they're doing it to shine my shoes or make me feel good.

It's like, no, I actually agree. You're good, you know? But I needed that because I was struggling in the confidence department. I had poor self-image and low self-esteem. I needed proof. I got 50 randos to say that I'm good and at that time I needed that

you know what I'm saying because that's what that's what made me be like okay okay okay so it's not it's not a joke it's not a fluke it is something that I can keep doing it is proof like I am that good and then when I started recording I was like and here's even more proof you know and people started like oh yeah you good

like yo you should do something with that. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the plan was to get enough songs, burning them on a CD, selling myself, just keep re-up and doing it. It's like somebody, somebody was like,

this thing's going to go broke and die. Let's go ahead and give him a deal, man. Just give him a deal. He was ready to say, go and give him a million dollars. No, but, no, let's see. He was ready to say, go again me and Alice. I was about to, I was about to. So he got an M.

He got that M. I didn't. I didn't. It would have been nice. That's how much it would have cost to do what I really, wanted to do and that's what I was saying like no label was going to bet that on you bro like who are you yeah but this the part that he's missing out all of these he spent at the record

store research for no reason at all just being in there researching yeah i got i would get every magazine vibe magazine all of them yeah you're right yeah facts it was the hustle was the love for what i'm so you in there they're like man we see this nigga a day man what you do you do It's do it, man. Facts. You like singing. Let's hear something. Wait, this nigger can sing.

My man, no carbon. Go hook them up with carbon. Get them in the studio. So it's all about the hustle you put in. Yeah. We cannot forget that you being around the record story a day led them people to be like, man, you ain't all the fucking time, man. You want a job, nigger.

What you do? No, I just really like music. Sing something then, nigger. That's funny. Everything I've loved for me. I didn't have that song yet. All right, I just wonder. I want you to have.

That's what got me to the studio to make the song. Everybody loved telling their weird stories about my timeline. They don't make sense. They're the songs I don't. You can't have the song before the origin story. You ain't had nothing shit before you got with carbon. No.

I had to get carving it order to make it. But it's a cool story. But I just keep telling me, you rock it up singing 17. Sure, sure. Sure, sure, sure. A whole first album. I had that in my back pocket, my whole life, yeah. Yeah, but shit, man, we can't forget, though, you know, the hustle that you had.

No, that's facts. And I didn't think about it because, like, you know, I would be, like, most random places, man. Like, you know, I hooked up, you know, I hooked up with this, like, like, when I was still at the crib, it was this lady. I forget her name, but lady, like, right up the street, not too far away from me. And, you know, she had a daughter that was in a group, and I was going, you know, just chill with them and let her be my manager. I ain't know nothing, you know what I'm saying? And she was cool, you know what I'm saying? The group was dope.

They could sing, whatever. But I didn't know nothing from nothing. I would just pull up to her crib and they would do all rehearsals and stuff. And I'm just there, and I'm saying. And really, I'm just there because I just thought they was all cute. And it was a cool vibe from being at my crib. So I don't mind wasting some time watching some cute girls sing and rehearse. This is nice.

Oh, you want me to do? Oh, okay. I don't know. I think I did a, they signed me up to do like this showcase where I did a song. I did an usher. I forget. It was an usher song. I forget it.

But I didn't want to do it, but it was a popular song. It was the only song that I really knew that I knew that I could perform. I forget it now. But I ain't had no image. I had on it. I was in a turtleneck in a suit jacket

because, you know, the lady's husband was like, you can't just rock whatever. You're like, put my stuff on, young man. I'm like, I gave old head turtle neck and shit. They gave you old G turtle. But I ain't, I mean, I ain't know no better. You know what I'm saying? But I didn't want to do the song

And this is This is completely no dis to Usher But Usher was doing a style of music That I just wasn't interested in I wasn't interested in R&B I wasn't interested in singing to the ladies You know what I'm saying Because I wasn't getting no ladies

You know That's why you get just friends Like I'm just trying to be Can I start that being your friend You know I actually think you can not want to get to know You did take it slow With all the chicks

Don't want the album though You ain't rushing a no draw No because that was foreign territory for me I didn't really know about it about that like i was just trying i was i was hell of awkward you wanted to love you wanted to be friends yeah then you found out you you had one little shorthy she lied to you found out the bitch was 17 yeah like you no no no i mean trying to go down that road right no yeah yeah but um you you you definitely now that i listen to you talk tell me the story i've been saying this this all time

you didn't rush to the p you wasn't clits in the bitches like it was fourth an inch's ball on the goal Okay. Anyway, so I didn't think sort of one of the other, one of the main reasons why I ain't thinking of, you know, I didn't want to do a record deal because I didn't feel like it was no room for me. Like, and I was a fan of a lot of the people that was, you know, considered, you know, the greats, you know what I looked up to, you know, boys to men and Joe to see. I looked up to them. I looked up to, you know, Brian McKnight and, you know, all of them do is Joe and all and I looked up to them. All of me great music. But I just, but it didn't. feel like me when i didn't i didn't feel like i could do that because i didn't feel like it you mean

it it kind of 2023 and you're about to go on tour but i'm talking about that time i'm talking about at that time we're talking about 99 we're talking about 2000 i'm talking about 2023 and you're going on tour i am going on tour i'm going on tour with uh let it see and kemp yeah yeah so it's going to be pretty sweet 23 years later yeah well all them doubts you had you could finally let them go three legends you let us see and Kim. Yeah, it's hard. Kim, all the doubt you had is 23 years later, you can let them go. Well, I've already started letting them go.

No, you should have been let them go. I should have been letting go. Because you like, nigger, I'm still around 23 years later. It'd be goddamn niggins that open a restaurant. Don't be around that wrong. They'd be done in four years. All rest of a fuck. No, but that's what, but you, but you're speaking on it.

Like, that's what I had to like, I had to shift my inner dialogue. Like, bro, you have all of these weird, constant. of where you place in life stop telling yourself whatever you think it is and one listen to the people that you know care about you and what they're saying

from the outside because you're in the way you can't see past yourself and two honestly assess everything that you've done up until now and now tell me that you ain't accomplished tell me now tell me what you're not doing

like bro you got all of these institutions awarding you and all of these magazines and websites doing write-up so everybody want to interview what you want to know about what you're doing like people don't genuinely generally care about what you're doing and you're talking about years and years and years

and people still asking you questions and people still want to know what you up to like you got to come on man I don't think you authorized to say what you is and what you're not especially when you've been blessed to be as blessed as you see a lot of times

you know because I always tell you We got a lot of people that be around us, you know, family that really overthinks shit. You know what I mean? And it'd be like they're setting their mind how something is supposed to happen. Right. Yeah. And then when it don't happen like that, it's this big disappointment. Right.

But a person got to understand that it's not going to happen how you wanted to happen. It's going to happen how God wanted to happen. Right. I feel like I've been should have had millions of dollars. but it didn't happen until now. Yeah. And it happens when it's going to happen. Right.

So I just had the respect to fact that it took me 25 years of hustling before this shit finally paid off. Do I think I should have had it 20 years ago? Yes, I do. Yeah, but you don't know enough. You didn't know enough. You couldn't have known enough. Right. And what do I always say?

I say, I feel like if I would have got it back then, I'd have been dead or in jail. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you would have gave a nigger that was running around crazy, and then gave him somebody I probably would have been. Money, he'd have been crazy. I'd have probably been dead or in jail. Smoking that wet. So God don't miss, you know what I mean?

He delivered minds at the right time. Right. You feel? No, yeah. And just like me, like I wouldn't. I wouldn't have known what I know now. Like now, I'm a better communicator. Like, I can, not only to people, but I'm better, I'm better at wrangling my own thoughts

and wrangling my own perception of things. Like, I probably would have, I ain't know telling what I would have did if I'd have got what I was asking for then. You know what I'm saying? Because I didn't know enough. I just had a bunch of money over really overthinking shit. Yeah, yeah. What I'm going to do?

What am I going to do? I got this money now. Yeah. And I would have gave it. And that's because that's essentially what I did. Like all the bread that I got, I was just giving, I was just, bro, I was, dude. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was very, I was being very not smart. You know what I'm saying?

Because I felt like I had like this obligation to give back, you know, and anyway, because it's about to go down a whole other road. I had to learn like, you know, you don't own nobody nothing, man. I don't care who they are. Shit. I don't care who they are. Shit. You chose to make them important. You chose to pedestalize them.

You chose to do that. You, but you worked. It came to you. It's yours. How are you giving yours away? And then when you out, you're looking for people to give them, give you theirs.

That don't work like that. Talk to him. Just because you didn't get the memo like, nah, you're supposed to give, you're supposed to give your extra. You're supposed to make sure you set you good and whatever you have left.

If you could, that's when you look out. That way, however it goes, it don't bother you none. Talk to them. Because when you give away yours, now you're creating an environment of resentment and disappointment. And now you, that's what causes the rift between you

and whoever you, you, you know what I'm saying? Because they're looking at you like, oh no I ain't got it homies because they may have it but they don't have it for you and you shouldn't have had it for them if you ain't got it for yourself because let me tell you my famous line

if God wanted you to have it nigga you're having don't be mad at me nigga and I suggest you don't be mad at God I wouldn't suggest that but you know when you're coming from that broken mentality that you feel like you could you could essentially you know buy love out of

people. Man, because you know, like, you know the funniest shit to me now. I've been working for 25 motherfucking years out here non-stop, man. I get a motherfucker call from family members, man, we just want to tell you. We're proud of you. Get the fuck off my phone, man. I don't hear that shit, man. Fuck, you're talking about you proud of me.

Nick, I've been working for 25 years. Bitch, it took you this long to call and say you probably. No, you're proud that I got that check. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you're trying to get a piece. Fucking, you're talking about, get the fucker off my phone. Yeah. All right. Damn, it's like that.

It's just like that. And it's just like that. It's just like that. It's just like that. You're proud of me. Bitch, I've been out here hustling my ass all for two decades, nigga.

You mean you didn't call in the first decade? Yeah, no. Oh no, no, no, no. Because it wasn't up enough where they feel like they can get something like that. You ain't called in the second decade even, huh, nigga? Yeah. You let two whole decade go about it.

But then my motherfucker information hit the internet. Yeah. Nigger signed for it. Now you're on the phone, man. I just want to tell you, man. I'm proud of you, man. Get the fuck off my phone, man. I don't get fuck about none of that shit.

I ain't got nothing for you, champ. With a fan like that, who needs us? I ain't got nothing for you. Yeah. Fuck you're talking about. I know what come next after this cause, you know. A little stack or something. Fuck out of here, man.

I ain't got nothing for you, man. I got, like, one hand I can count, you know, of folks that I'm related to that's been consistent, you know what I'm saying? And they keep showing up. And every time they show up, I show them love. You know what I'm saying? They didn't have asked for nothing and that. They just come support, you know what I'm saying?

Every time I let them know, hey, it's good looking. Thank you. And it's all love, you know what I'm saying? Because it's genuine. Yeah. And I appreciate that. You can feel it's genuine. I hate when a family member try to call you like some genuine shit

when you really just trying to get to the last motherfucking question, can you hold some? To the last question. Because they will. They'll give you a whole spill, bro. It's like, fam. I don't have time for this. Just get to. to it so I could tell you no.

And this is what I'm a motherfucker want to do. Just get to it so I could just tell you no. My fucker asks you how you doing, how you been? You don't even care that much, bro. I'm fucking, I got, I got, you already know the answer to that question. That's why you're here.

And I'm fucking healthy. The fuck of you talking about how are doing great. Fuckers run with you. Then they, all that's a set up question of, yeah, how you been? Ah, man, I'm six months later on my motherfucking bills. Damn, six months. It's fucked up.

Shit. That's a whole habit. the end, nigga. God got you. Yeah. God did. Yeah. Maybe God try to tell you some. Motherfucking, trying to try all that so you can ask him.

Yeah, because you know, I don't know. I'm going to pay for Stephanie School, man, 17,000. She's going to drop out of college this year. I'm four months behind on my rent. Yeah, well, man. Community college. Yeah, yeah. Community college.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I got to come through for you. I'm a holler. But yeah, man. I just had to shift, you know what I'm saying? my perspective and I realized that once I did that

you know it's just I got the clarity like it's you it's been you bro it's been you this whole time you know and not not because it's not you that whoever did whatever whoever deflaked on you whatever like no you didn't do that to you but

you did participate you know and contribute to the environment that allowed it and hold no on to that shit exactly when you let that shit go and all the positive shit come fuck them they don't even matter no more make them all a positive shit you gotta accept the apology you never gonna get bro

and keep that shit moving absolutely so once I did that and then and then because these guys you know they mean like we you know essentially it was like we can only help you as much as you know you get out you help yourself basically you know because we can only do this somewhat like we're here to support you

you know like but we can't do it for you you know and and I was I got really I got really it got really dark it got really dark i ain't want to record no more i ain't want to do nothing no more i didn't want to do nothing no more i ain't want to do nothing no more i ain't want to do nothing no more but it just it just the math wasn't checking out after a while it's like bro that don't make no sense you just gonna stop you know and i just kept looking up and i always like refer to it's like

i'm in the cave and they just outside of the cave like bro i mean we got you as soon as you decided to come out like we're here nigga we glad you came out you're glad you came out you got it's going down you got this new album come on what's the name of the new album victims and villains oh shit exactly yeah there's a lot of victims out here today yeah there's a lot of victims that don't realize they're the villain though yeah facts so and i'm speaking from a relationship standpoint but you can apply it as as you need you know what I'm saying but I wanted to speak on you know a lot of my experiences that I know a lot of other people go through but from the perspective of what and that's why again this is why I don't refer to what I do as

R&B because traditionally that's not you know the predominant subject matter of R&B music what you do is good music yeah I refer to it I refer to it I refer to it as hip-hop because you know I got a little soul got a little hip-hop you know in it and that's what but I'm rocking with you good music you know I just I'm trying to I'm I'm essentially trying to sound track real life yeah you know what I'm trying to soundtrack real life and that's all All I've been trying to do, and that's why if you listen to, you know, the way I write and the way I, you know, I present these ideas is always from a conversational perspective, you know. I'm not always trying to get in your draws, you know, we could get to that too, but there's more to life than that. And I think that, you know, R&B music is predominantly focused on trying to get to that, which is fine.

That's what that, that's there for. You know, R&B niggas been trying to get mad for forever, but. So, and that's that. But that's why I said, no end up with some ass. You ain't a true R&B, nigga. Yeah. And that's why I never referred to myself as a true. Because that's not always, you know, my emo in life.

You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to figure some shit. At any given moment, I'm trying to figure some shit out. Like, how did I? What I said? What did I say that? I'm just in my head a lot of the time. And I'm trying to better myself.

So a lot of the stuff is just me working through a lot of stuff. And I'm like, and I'm sort of like putting it out to y'all. like hey what do y'all think you know and a lot of people come up be like oh you's talking my life right now it's like well for i don't know you second of all i'm just speaking facts that you just identify with but i've had time to think deeply about it so that now you can use it to your advantage you know what i'm saying because there's a lot of people that be in situations that if they could have said a different thing so i'm almost essentially be like hey bro shut up say this you know don't don't say that say this you know hey don't go there like i'm trying to be the thing that i wish that i

had for people just in song form you know so when they listen to my music it'd kind of helped them give them other ideas like oh I ain't think about it like that you know what I'm saying well listen man we we we definitely appreciate you know you coming through I you know I used to listen to your music when I was in the joint you know that's when you make a kiss him on his neck little chocolate off his back and sidebar the whole album is produced by hip boy that's major yeah shout out the hip boy it's a guy too so I know it's crazy but like tap into music soul child he's back he's not playing games victim and villains yeah and most of the time the victim be the villain yeah you know and uh they'd be wearing a you know victim suit but

they really be a villain yeah yeah take the costume and the one that's being being you know treated like the villain is really the victim but they don't complain because it's like they it's not a bad example you know you got women on instagram ain't no good men out here I get men in the bid did but I look when you page you advertise and your asses you're selling pussy Don't be a victim in the building Like you can't say Ain't no good men out here But you're bent over from the back

Showing your ass shaking your ass Is you a victim or a villain? What kind of man you think You're going to find with that, right? You hear me We appreciate music for stopping through Make sure you're catching more tour Lettersy and Kim

Go get that new list The new album coming Victim and Villains Man is going down Philly we're in the building man And it's just like that Right Thank you.