Million Dollaz Worth Of Game - SHAWN PORTER: MILLION DOLLAZ WORTH OF GAME EPISODE 231

Episode Date: July 28, 2023

No punches are puled in this weeks episode as we sit down with the legendary former professional boxer and sports analyst, Shawn "Showtime" Porter. Shawn Porter, widely regarded as one of the most ski...lled and tenacious fighters of his generation, has an extensive track record in the ring. With an impressive career that spans numerous world titles and unforgettable bouts, Porter has established himself as an authority on the sport. However, his expertise doesn't stop at his prowess inside the ropes; his candid and insightful analysis as a boxing commentator has earned him respect and admiration worldwide. In this riveting episode, the dynamic trio takes a ringside seat to dissect and analyze the highly anticipated showdown between two of the boxing world's most dominant forces, Errol "The Truth" Spence Jr. and Terence "Bud" Crawford. As insiders with an unmatched passion for the sport, they offer expert insights, breaking down the fighters' strengths, weaknesses, and fighting styles.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mworthofgame

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, million dollars worth of game listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen, ad free on Amazon Music. Right. Listen, get your tickets right now. Million dollars worth of game times. Gilly Fest, my birthday party. It's going on.
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Starting point is 00:00:34 It's going to be 50 years old, man. Fuck it out. I didn't come out and celebrate this. We're going to be a half-100. It's cool. Listen, you better get your tickets. We got, listen, and we still going to keep it now. Yes, we are.
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Starting point is 00:00:57 It's going down. But this Gillie Fest for his birthday. a half hundred, we celebrate July 29th in Philadelphia is going down. Listen, we're going to be announcing some more people, but get your tickets. If you're not here, you're going to be upset. And guess what? There's only $75. All these acts, $75?
Starting point is 00:01:14 $75. It's going down, man. This is some shit you don't want to miss. And most importantly, Gillian Wallow are going to be there. A million dollars worth of game. It's going to be there turning the stage up, and it's just like that, right? You're now tuned into, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. million dollars worth a game listen man we're here to promote my fight coming up me and
Starting point is 00:01:34 Sean Portie we're going to be fighting it's going to be a two-round match uh each round would be 10 minutes a piece it's about time my reaches they say I got one of the best reaches an amateur street boxing and it's like you know I'm my whole thing is like I just got off the phone with Al Heyman he said listen man uh showtime you know Al Heyman said he gives you eight hundred nigga I'm saying what the hell is this right he's getting me eight hundred thousand eight hundred dollars fuck out yeah i'm not stepping away for me 800 put my life on line
Starting point is 00:02:06 for them eight hundred dollars that's your debut that's your debut for eight hundred people get eight hundred yes you mean to tell me when a person when a person hold that don't mean not me not me I'm the same a lot a lot majority you only get 800 to go in there
Starting point is 00:02:22 a majority yes your first fight you might get a couple thousand man I'm thinking I'm gonna get like a unless you was an outstanding amateur So if you are, all right, all right, all right. If you and I understand an amateur, you get maybe 2,000. What? All right, now, now, between 2 and 5.
Starting point is 00:02:39 Between 2 and 5. This is what I got to know right here. If I go to Olympics and I get a gold medal, I know I'm getting a million dollars. It depends. It depends. If you got that gold, yeah, you around that 10, that 10,000. What, that's it? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:54 Oh, man, I thought these dudes are getting me for a day on the Wheaties box and they come back and they only get 10,000. And take a while. man it take a while to get to the money but see but see this the thing so how much do the cut man get they they give with whatever the whatever they did they decide to give them five percent yeah three percent of the whole person when you turn pro you probably don't even have a cut man right what's wrong with you the band deeds is your cut man Johnson and Johnson it take a while to get to it you know damn that's bad man I thought I might got going to the route You come from the rap game, man, you know.
Starting point is 00:03:31 I'm thinking, damn, man. It ain't no different. This thing is said, I'm like, damn, when I get my fight, I'm going to get that dude from Tank Corner, dude over here from a Benavitaz corner dude. I'm thinking I'm going to do all that shit. You're going to be broke. You're going to be broke.
Starting point is 00:03:45 You're going to be broke as a motherfucker. They got to get this training. All the motherfuckers got years in the game. They charge charge. Yeah. Damn, what, fuck it. I got to go with Don King, man. He going to give me a bag.
Starting point is 00:03:55 You know, Don't know, Don't know, I keep telling you, I keep telling you, Don't pull up when you give you 15. hundred and five and ones. That shit be looking like seven in the bag. Don ain't know. Yo, Don used to be, listen, all I thought. Yeah, I heard you. You were about saying, I used to be in love with Doc.
Starting point is 00:04:12 You know, down was my man. For a nigga and the 20 years in jail. No, not like that. I read his book and all that shit. I've seen this doc. I seen this movie. And I used to be like, darn, man. I used to be in love with Doc.
Starting point is 00:04:24 Who the fuck said some shit like that? No, not like that. Yeah, you don't, yeah. You got to start repeating it too You know that motherfucker I'm just saying Don Yeah I'm trying to switch it up
Starting point is 00:04:35 I do that if I got in the box again I say I get with Don he's gonna give me a bag of money That's all the man Don was robbed of motherfucking Back in the bank Now I don't know if that's the truth Shout out of Don't get I know Tyson
Starting point is 00:04:45 Tyson was mad and shit That's all I know But man we got a motherfucking Hall of Fame in the building He ain't in the Hall of Fame yet But I know he's going For sure Showtime
Starting point is 00:04:58 important. Yes, sir. And I'm going to ask him something because, you know, the hardest fight in your life. Mm. Well, you was in there, you was like, this, this motherfucker is dangerous. Nah, you don't got time to think like that. You don't got time to think like that. But where you was just like, I got to switch up.
Starting point is 00:05:20 I got to reprogram. To top three, Arrow, Terrance, Keith. Who number one? they was all hard nights in their own way damn hard nights in their own way you know what I mean out of Arrow Spence in Terrence Crawford who punched the hardest
Starting point is 00:05:41 come on Sean you was in there with both of them you felt both of that power who punched the hardest I'm talking like yeah it's hard to say it truly is that's when you know you asked some good questions
Starting point is 00:05:57 It's hard to say. It's hard to say. It's hard to say. Like a rock wall like, Oh, shit. Yeah. Exactly. Like, it's truly is a hard question to answer because it sounds like a cop-out.
Starting point is 00:06:11 But when you, in the midst of the battle, I can recognize what I got hit with, but I can't reflect on how I'm on that hurting. You know what I mean? And with me doing this as long as I did it, it became second nature to get hit. You know what I mean? the body shots those are the ones you feel the most because those have an effect where it's like it lasts a little longer
Starting point is 00:06:35 you know what I mean and then when you look at the two fights that I had with Earl Arrow hit me with a punch I think it was the 11th round the 10th or the 11th round would cock my head back like I've never seen that myself get like that before
Starting point is 00:06:50 you know I mean but then Terence hits me in two different times in one round and I go down off both punches you know what I mean and so I just I think that both of them having them they have a it's it's not the punch hurting it's the way it's delivered uh-huh arrow has a way of delivering a punch that's so accurate that it will stung you but then Terrence has a way of delivering a punch that it's so fast and so out of nowhere that it'll stun you you know what I mean so it really again like it's hard to say who
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Starting point is 00:13:09 23 maybe no no no this is the biggest fight the last decade two two decades damn two is this is bigger than Floyd and Pacquiao I think so not not maybe not like from a from a standpoint of the promotion and how many
Starting point is 00:13:26 how much money this fight is going there's no comparison in that from that standpoint right but in terms of us being able to calculate who's going to win this fight we could calculate who was going to win Mayweather versus is pack right you was either clear one way pack is going to do this and he going to win or mayweather going to do this and he going to win with arrow and terrence how many how many how many
Starting point is 00:13:50 scenarios you think i mean there's a bunch of scenarios can happen and they are realistic right absolutely absolutely when you so let me ask you a question when you uh fought oh gosh you fought Arrow, you fought Danny Garcia, you fought Terrence Crawford, you fought Keith Thurman. Out of all of those fights, who was the hardest puncher in those fights? At the point in time, when I fought Keith, I thought he was the hardest puncher. But being retired now, I got to say it's between Keith and Arrow and Terrence. and if I really if I truly have to like break it down into which one of those I might I might say arrow the reason why I might say arrow is because he he he he's not a one punch power punch
Starting point is 00:14:45 you know I mean he'll throw three punches and they all got power you know what I mean right Keith will get you our balance and he's throwing two punches with a lot of power yeah Terrence is is mean with one yeah you know what I mean and he can whip it back and come mean with another one but he's not about to just sit there boom boom boom boom with speed and power right you know arrow coming with speed and power so you're at the same time well you're you don't leave my man danny off that list well danny's danny's he did his thing just say how my man danny power is his power is nice it's nice it's power's nice but there was nothing stunning uh about about Danny's power um and also Danny telegraphs a lot of the
Starting point is 00:15:31 stuff that he does you know what i mean you could i could see when the right hand was coming i could see when the left hook was coming you go back and watch the fight with me and danny and he hit me with probably two big hooks in that fight but a lot of the punches a lot of the hooks that he threw i was rolling off a lot of them because i could tell i could see when they were coming i think the ones that i got hit with was when i was standing in there in the midst of trying to throw my stuff you know yeah yeah okay tank and shakur you got to pick one who you picking God dang
Starting point is 00:16:04 Come on Sean you got to pick one I'm picking one I'm picking I'm picking tank but let me be clear about this and also let me be clear about this I watched
Starting point is 00:16:18 Mayweather and when I watch like when I watch fights I try to look into a fighter's eyes I try to look into their body language and mannerisms I try to see what they're thinking and I try to get to a point where I can see what's going to to happen before it happens whether there's
Starting point is 00:16:33 a fight that's already happened or I'm watching in real live time and I'm able to pick up on what fighters doing how they're doing I watch your current training and I said what the hell is he seeing how is he seeing this before it happens why watch his fights
Starting point is 00:16:49 his defense there's no mistake in any part of his game where his defense is it's like he'd been there before he sees it before it happens you gotta be special that's that's not that's not trained right you you you you were he was gifted that's a gift the ability to see what tank is going to throw before tank
Starting point is 00:17:14 throws it right so that's why i said that's that's probably at 135 i think that that's the second best fight to be made in boxing to this one right here and where do you okay devon and tank i picked tank to win to be devon i don't think think Devin has enough. You don't think he has enough. The speed is great. The end and out that Devin has is great, but you're going to have to take chances against Tank. We've seen every fighter do it. You've got to take chances against Tank. And that's, that's King's game. Tane's game is making sure you take that risk, and he capitalized. That boy got power that is
Starting point is 00:17:59 he has generational power this is in his generation shit that's the first time I heard that you're welcome thank you push a button for me or something I ain't got them sound I don't need those sounds but he has
Starting point is 00:18:14 he has generational power explain that he punch you he punch your fucking kids out of you damn so the baby baby's gonna fill this shit when they're born they're going to come out
Starting point is 00:18:29 they feel like shit that wasn't what I meant at first but that's clean right there's going to keep happening right he that motherfucker ain't going to be living no more that's wow
Starting point is 00:18:41 but he has generational power who else have we seen with this kind of power at 135 in the last 10 the last decade the last two decades
Starting point is 00:18:52 nobody and then you keep counting that makes him a generation He has generational power That means What he's bringing to the ring On fight night
Starting point is 00:19:01 You can't prepare for You ain't seen it before And let's be real Are we gonna see it after tank When tank leaves 135 When tank is out of 130 We don't see anybody else At 130 135 with that kind of power
Starting point is 00:19:16 No probably We've seen Roli has power But Roli ain't got the kind of delivery That tank got Which means a lot of the stuff That Roli throws It's gonna miss Before that big one line
Starting point is 00:19:26 Now, but let me ask you a question. You know, when you talk about Tank, you're talking about Devin, you're talking about Shakur, break down each one of these fighters, extraordinary fighters, historical fighters, strength. No, break down what is each one strength? Yeah. And what is each one weakness? I think what I, I think out of the three of them, I actually like Shakur the most. Because, again, when I can look at you and not see what you see, to me that is extraordinary.
Starting point is 00:19:56 Shakur is again, it's like he's been there before. I watched him move in the ring and he moves before the guy even throws his punch. You know what I mean? Like I've seen, I saw him do that and then to see him do that in live time and actual fights. There's a difference between sparring and doing what you're doing sparring and then being that comfortable in a fight. Not a guys don't come to the ring as comfortable as Shakur is. Once the head gear come off in them 60s and gloves. Any mean to.
Starting point is 00:20:24 any mean too you know what I mean I think that that's the best thing that Shakur got going for him is his reflexes intuition and his instinct and distance and he controls the distance
Starting point is 00:20:37 but it's all predicated upon his instincts and knowing where to be and things like that what Dev David is his jab is you know he got that paint brush jab where he's painting
Starting point is 00:20:50 you know what I mean he's going to be able to hit you at any point in time he can change the level and bring it up you know i mean he can punch on the move extraordinary boxer clean boxer he going he can what he tried to do against lomacheenko i think that was just a matter of people saying he don't got no power he's not taking the fight to people and things like that he don't need to i didn't think he needed to either if if there was one thing i could tell death
Starting point is 00:21:16 keep doing you right fight as clean as you want to fight because they can't touch you when you fighting that clean right that kind of boxing style that he got that in and out that he got again that's a generational talent right there knowing the range in that distance before it even happens and being able to take it away before it happens he gave it back to lowell in that fight yes go back to doing what you do well because that is the kind of style that can beat a taint davis right then you got taint who has virtually it all tanking counterpunch Ten can come at you. Ten can wear the punches on the gloves.
Starting point is 00:21:56 He can wear them on his head on his body. He can take something to give it. You know what I mean? Again, no range and distance. He's master for it that. Took it away from Ryan after the first round. Took a couple of rounds for Roley, but then took it away from Roe. Like every single fight.
Starting point is 00:22:14 You know what I mean? We got three guys right there that grew up in this sport, understand exactly who they are in this sport. has mastered their craft that's that's three elite fights right there oh that's a round robin right there we need tank and in in and dev winner dev and Shakir don't matter who the winner Shakur and tank it don't matter who the winner is right we need we need that round robin right do you think it's too early for that I think it's it's it's we're approaching the time the reason I think I think it's too early this shit is about money this is about money this money
Starting point is 00:22:50 If anybody is too early, I think for any one of them, I think it's too early, barring the money, I think it's too early for Dev. I think Dev's still got some growing to do, got some maturing to do, and he can mature into some power. Of course, we know he on his way out of 135. So it's kind of a now and never situation for Dev. But with Shakur, you're right. I think he needs to increase his audience a little bit more. But Tank is right there. See, for me, I think it's too early for Shakur and Dev.
Starting point is 00:23:20 to fight I think for tank in either one of them tank it tank on bring you're going to fill it up it's going to make sense for tank and either one of them yeah but for chukor and dev the fight right now I feel like the only person that win is the promoters in the networks they're robbing themselves right by fighting each other right now because you because break that down because okay you got to look at it like this everybody wanted this fight between errol spence and terence bud Crawford Two, three years ago. And one thing people love to do is they love to act like they don't want some shit no more that they really know they want. You feel me?
Starting point is 00:24:02 You know what, fucking, I don't even want to see that fight no more because, niggins happening. Oh, shit is going down. They probably rubble it. You got to get motherfuckers to that point. Yeah. You feel what I'm saying to where it's though motherfuckers act like they don't even want to see this shit no more because that's how long it took for this shit. happen you can't just give people shit when they wanted when they wanted when they wanted you
Starting point is 00:24:26 this is a business and right now if Shakur and Dev fight we're talking about three four five six whatever million dollars form when if they fight in two years we could be talking about 25 30 45 40 million dollars
Starting point is 00:24:44 form so that's the difference whereas though in a lot of times too with these youngans they be more concerned about proving themselves instead of getting the business right you don't got you're a professional fighter you don't have nothing to fucking prove none of y'all is scared to fight
Starting point is 00:25:03 no fucking body that's what y'all been doing your whole life I hope they're listening but you got to get the money if I'm going to go in there and I'm going to risk my O fighting another motherfucker that I know was a BMF he a bad motherfucker too
Starting point is 00:25:20 Just like me, it got to be some fucking money involved. Like, I tell my young boy cool boy stuff that all the time, shout at this David Fault, I'm like, bro, you know you got 20 fights. You beat nine undefeated motherfuckers in 20 fights. It's not another fighter on planet Earth that can say that. Most people don't even fight an undefeated motherfucker until they got 20 fights. Right. he got nine undefeated fighters on his resume and got 20 fights.
Starting point is 00:25:56 Wow. I'm like, bro, they're throwing you to the wolves. You know what I mean? Yeah. Go ahead and beat a couple motherfuckers up for some easy money real quick. But he jumped right in there with you in your way. I wasn't out for the easy money, you know? And when I was pushing for that Terrence Crawford fight,
Starting point is 00:26:17 and my dad is like, you got to find somebody else. We're not getting that. That's not going to happen for us. And I just, I didn't want easy money. I wanted the, I wanted the right money in the, in the, in the fights that was going to solidify who I am to boxing. You know what I mean? And, and anytime you didn't see me in the ring, it was because certain people just
Starting point is 00:26:38 weren't willing to fight at that specific time. But you named all the guys that I fought. Right. I was out to fight the best. Right. And get up out of this thing before anything happened. Make as much money as I could so that I could parlay that
Starting point is 00:26:53 into everything that I'm doing now. Let me ask you a question, though. Because at first, I looked at it and I didn't understand it. I thought people was ducking people. Then I realized fighting certain people just because the fans want you to fight them
Starting point is 00:27:09 is not smart business. Exactly. I realize that sometimes the money that I'm making sense, your audience is not strong enough. Not that you'll get. because now boxing is not even about somebody being a good fighter. Boxing is about who got more of a social impact,
Starting point is 00:27:26 who got more Instagram followers, who popping socially, you know, in order to say, you know what, this person is popping so much that he's going to get this many pay-per-view buys. We don't know what was going through the minds that everybody over there at Top Rank, but for so long people have been saying, oh, yeah, Terrence ain't never fought nobody. Terence ain't fought nobody.
Starting point is 00:27:46 And I kept saying that he's fighting whoever they put in front of him. y'all don't understand the business right now i didn't understand the business in terms of how top rank chose to move terence but it ain't terence fault that he didn't fight this guy or that guy right he wanted to fight whoever they put in front of him yeah and they were picking who they thought from a business standpoint was going to be the best options for him we don't know if they didn't have belief in him they don't know if they they they were protecting him or what right but he was able to make his money and he was able to knock out virtually everybody they in front of them right you know what I mean but that again like that is the difference between what
Starting point is 00:28:25 people see and what and what they don't see right they see they see the fight night and now they see Terrence and arrow getting in the ring yeah I don't know what it took to make that fight happen right we were just talking another room why why isn't that fight happening in Dallas right we don't know before the last three days before they announced the day was going to be fighting we don't know if they was talking about what venue they was going to fight that absolutely we have absolutely have no clue what these negotiations uh go into right but what we do know is that eventually that fight had to be made right in order for boxing the win and in order for people to give uh terence crawford his his respect and his just
Starting point is 00:29:02 do even with fight me it's like excuse and reason after excuse and reason i didn't per me personally i don't get it how he fights sean porter and people still say well that wasn't the same sean port no it was it was that's the same terence crawford you know what i mean Like, accept it to do this bad. You know what I think, I think a lot of times in boxing, I hear something that I just don't understand this. And I think it's with multiple sports, you hear shit. This episode of me and I's River Game
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Starting point is 00:33:22 Yeah. All it takes is one, one motherfucker punch and in the history of boxing, you've seen that happen so many, so many upsets, you're like, how the fuck that happened? Yeah. Motherfucking on the mat. Yeah. So when people say that, they'd be like, oh, you ain't fight nobody, you ain't fight. What the fuck?
Starting point is 00:33:37 Like, you think I got, I'm signed to a promotional company. No. But see, honestly, like, when you, when you. When you say that, they're just saying he ain't fought the same competition because when you look at Terrence Crawford, you look at Bud, I mean, you look at Arrow, Earl fought better competition than Terrence Crawford. You know what I mean? Terrence Crawford for Julius and Dongo, Victor Postal, the Benavides, Gamboa, Jeff Horn. when you look at none of them dudes, none of them really did shit in boxing. When you look at them, you're like, okay, they was all solid fighters,
Starting point is 00:34:21 but none of them never really did shit in boxing. Like, okay, Julius Dongo, you got a belt. A lot of them belts came from promoters trying to keep them fucking belts in the promoter shit. So, okay, we ain't fight nobody over here. We're going to keep all these belts right here. You fight him, you fight him, you fight him. so a lot of motherfuckers be getting belts by default and that's the business because they ain't fighting the best motherfuckers they oh my man on my promotional shit he stumbled on the belt he he's a
Starting point is 00:34:51 fucking bum for real i'm about to beat him to fuck up and get this fucking belt so a boxing really got fucked up on that aspect of it when they start saying oh his other sides of the streets and these people only fight these people and this person only fight this so but now it's getting back to mono imano who's the best and I'm respecting it now because before it was on a little bullshit you know what I mean
Starting point is 00:35:19 Arrow for some real dogs he fought Danny Garcia that's a real dog he fought Sean Porter that's a real dog he fought Keith Thurman that's a real no no he fought the Danish Oogas that's a real fucking dog he fought Kellbrook that's a real
Starting point is 00:35:35 fucking dog yeah granted Terrence did fight Sean Porter and Kellbrook But he fought him a little later in life if they've been through some wars Yeah, yeah You feel what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:35:49 Yeah That's all I'm saying. He did fight Sean Porter, he did fight Kelbrook But Kellbrook had that Both his eye sockets broke Fucking punched out of sight like So, and that's not taking nothing away from Bud because he just
Starting point is 00:36:03 went there and did what he had to do Exactly, that's the hard part. The hard part is being able to determine when you talk about the level of opposition right you know what I mean like like even sitting here listening to you like I forgot endango and all those other guys that he fought um Gamboa and all those guys but even like look at Gambo Gambo Gamboa wasn't an Olympian you know what I mean so but at that point in time when they got in the ring against one another no definitely not the same yeah Mboa that came into the game you know I mean so it's just I think it's hard to really
Starting point is 00:36:37 determine where your level of competition is based on that not even at night because you could be great one night and be subpart of next night right you know i mean boxing is funny like that right you know but what we do know is that both these guys for the second words no blemishes right you know we've seen we've seen terence get rocked a couple times we've seen one guy putting down edge it's cavalouskis yeah you got it huh well damn i'm a boxer nigger i know what the fuck's go with no or you know they didn't call it a knock down but but i've seen it but one thing about one thing about bud though when you do the eye test you say okay but we and we've also seen aero get buzzed a couple of times as well you know well i i don't know i don't know if i ever seen
Starting point is 00:37:26 him buzzed okay cool not hurt no no not hurt yeah buzz like like you know just walk up like i feel like Every box that got buzzed. Like, you, but hurt to me is when a motherfucker hit you with a punch. And then they acknowledge, okay, I got you. And they're coming up on, yeah, that's what the motherfucker do you hurt. Like, you feel what I'm saying? They hit you and then it's like, okay, 20 punches is about to come after that hit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:53 Okay. He back up. He's trying to get trying to get, ah, trying to get you the fuck out of here. All you doing is trying to defend yourself because you're trying to get your, shit back right that's hurt to me you know what I'm saying I feel like A box have been buzzed but I feel like when you do the eye test you look at Terrence
Starting point is 00:38:11 Crawford you say Terence got a little bit more with them but then you look at Errol Spencer you say Errol Spencer's fundamentally sound yeah you're like when you go straight up and down everything is just so tight
Starting point is 00:38:28 it's just bam it's just right from here it ain't no extension ain't no arm with it. It's just right from me a wham, straight up. Wham, wham, wham, it's just. And then you say, what's going to be? Is the dynamics going to beat the fundamentally sound? Right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:38:45 Or is the fundamentally sound going to beat the dynamics. You got a multi-dimensional athlete in the ring in Terrence Crawford against a very good athlete in the craft of boxing and arrow spence. You know what I mean? And I do. I think that that is the most interesting thing. because what I found with Arrow, I kept Arrow off balance
Starting point is 00:39:07 and I kept him guessing. You know what I mean? I never became predictable with Arrow. And I think it forced Arrow to kind of come out of his pocket to try to kind of, you know, tame me for the second words, you know? But then what Terrence, it's like the rhythm is a little different.
Starting point is 00:39:24 The cadence is a little different. Five times Earl get rocked. I found something. That you guys will see it on your side, I'm sure. Five times Earl Giff's. No, that's what they see it on here. Five times Earl got rock. Am I on there?
Starting point is 00:39:43 I don't know if you were on there. Because I know one time I got it. I was like, did I get him? I was like, no, I don't know. I don't know. When you ever punch a motherfucker and thought you had him and was like, oh, shit, he just, he took that. I'm hit, yeah. Hell yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:59 Hell yeah. Keith Thirman. Yeah. Yeah. Because you would keep thermal with a joint eye I was like damn Keep got a fucking chin Yeah
Starting point is 00:40:07 Sometimes boxing is like a street fight Yeah You know how like you thought you got somebody They come right back And you're like well hold it You know what I Yeah that's how the boxing game is too You land something you know that connected
Starting point is 00:40:19 And I'm supposed to follow up Yeah But this dude throwing right back Right You know Well let me ask you a question And the amortes Was you like a chubby kid
Starting point is 00:40:27 I was thick Because you used to fight Danny Jacobs In a motherfucker A lot of muscle And the amateurs and shit They come out fighting It wasn't 60 With all that shit
Starting point is 00:40:37 Yeah I used to lean them back in the day Yeah I had a lot of muscle And my boxing style Was slightly different I was a little I had more base in the amateurs
Starting point is 00:40:48 And I believed in my power And I was really throwing them You know When I first turn pro was the same thing But when I moved down to 47 I started You turned pro at 154 I was turned poor at 54
Starting point is 00:40:58 And then when I moved down to 47 I was watching how fast those guys were and I was like I got to be fast like that you know what I mean and I stopped really throwing with the intent to hurt
Starting point is 00:41:11 I was throwing with intent to hurt but not the same kind of power and torque and things like that like I did in the amateurs you know who some of the people you four in the amos you name them I fought them Demetri's Andre we fought at
Starting point is 00:41:25 we fought at 165 twice I fought a Daniel Jacob you're a little with shit to be fighting you was fight some fucking killers he said he got reach on me did you see it like you know
Starting point is 00:41:37 it's a smirk it's a smirk you know what I mean yeah I think the tallest I fought was six five maybe six what how the fuck did that work out for you knocked him out how do you hit him in his fucking face
Starting point is 00:41:52 you just you just got him with a roof so we're all body on him that's crazy it's interesting um there's a way that you can like it's like I would always say you could be taller to me but when we get in the ring with the same size
Starting point is 00:42:08 because I had my movement and the way that I boxed I was able to force guys to stoop down I was able to force guys even if they stood up I was able to force them to commit to their punches too much because they're trying to catch me
Starting point is 00:42:22 and they're trying to reach me and things like that and then what I had like I was a hybrid boxer and ain't too many hybrid boxers out there boxers day i got speed and power so in the amateurs i could i could use my quickness with my feet take your your um your your range away from you and then land something that hurt you you know i mean so like with that six five guy yeah i appointed him and the amateurs it was a 20 point
Starting point is 00:42:47 rule in the first three rounds if you're up by 20 points the fight ends in the fourth round if you go about 20 we let the fight continue in the third round 20 point land was the same punch that put him out yeah you know what I mean so yeah um I fought Usick Alexander Usick the heavyweight 165 pounds yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and we had a close fight for four round wait hold him hold the fuck up how y'all feel when y'all see jubbi he like sure and you're like who sick you're a fucking welcome he a fucking heavy weed
Starting point is 00:43:26 we're like no we fought before yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean the list goes on
Starting point is 00:43:34 it's a guy from Billy I always forget his name tall South Paul black kid he fought in the amateur system moved up
Starting point is 00:43:45 he turned pro with top rank and he never got a belt I always forget his name But another tall, South Paul I'm trying to think we talk about light skin, dark skin.
Starting point is 00:43:56 Dark skin. Yeah. His dad was a, was a professional fighter, too. You're not talking about Bozzy. No, no, no. You're not talking about Pooha Faraa. No, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:44:07 Not pooling for a rock. Dad was a professional fighter, too. Oh, I think he... Tim Witherspoon. Uh-uh, nope. No. Wetherspoon was a heavyweight, too, though. But shit, you was fucking fighting that.
Starting point is 00:44:21 Cyclone, his, uh, his dad. Oh, uh, uh, heart. Heart, yes. Jesse Hart. Yeah. You some fight Jesse Hart. I fought Jesse in the amateurs. That's been Jesse or big.
Starting point is 00:44:33 Jesse tall. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. God damn, dog. As Jesse about. As Jesse about me. Oh, you mean.
Starting point is 00:44:41 Oh, you fuck Jesse. No, no, no. No. You did my big of Jesse dirty, man. You did Jesse dirty in the amortezes. He said, no, no, no, no. Did you win? Yes.
Starting point is 00:44:53 Yeah, but it was a good boxing match, though. It was a good boxing match. Yeah, Jesse can rubble. But that's what you were saying. Yeah. He went to say he fuck Jesse up without saying it. Ask Jesse about me. No, I'm just saying, like, you know, for somebody, you know, you're like, I don't get how he could beat somebody six, four, six two.
Starting point is 00:45:14 With just like six two? Some like that at least. At least. Yeah. So ask him what that experience was like being in the ring. with somebody shorter and you know You try to be funny I think Hollywood heart
Starting point is 00:45:27 Yeah yeah Jesse Jesse that's my man man Yeah Jesse good dude man Damn that's crazy you used to fight them biggest man All those big is way bigger than you bro Question What's your favorite Philadelphia fighter of all the time
Starting point is 00:45:45 I'm not a boxing historian All right well I'm just throw some names out there I mean I'm gonna say Joe Frazier You got Joe, you got Winart, you got Danny Garcia, you got David Reed, you got Ivan Robinson, you got a, ain't what was moving from? I forgot David Reed was from. Williams, uh, yeah, Dave Reed was from him. I forgot, yeah. Remember, Dave Reed had the eye issue.
Starting point is 00:46:06 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they, uh, you got Steven Fulton. You got boots. You got Jerome Boots Center. Speaking of Boots. Ha ha! Where do you put boots in there with Errol Spence and Terence Crawford? I think looking at the possibilities of how the outcome of Terrance and Arrow is,
Starting point is 00:46:31 it's harder to look at those outcomes or the outcome of that fight, opposed to Terrence and Boots or opposed to Arrow and Boots. I think both those guys are extremely consistent, Arrow and Terrence, extremely consistent at what they do. and I think boots still even though he's probably the most he's probably the most athletically get that boxer in this world
Starting point is 00:46:57 probably even from a standpoint of determination and things like that he has he's the it and he's going to be the it but I still see those guys beating boots right now oh my fucking God
Starting point is 00:47:12 sure don't why do you see that no he got to break the guy well because I do I think that where Arrow has the ability to wear punches on his arms Block, be defensive, yet be offensive They both have things
Starting point is 00:47:27 You gotta feel boots power They both as, as per- No, I don't I'm retired for a reason Oh, he said no, I see that no I don't mean he know Yeah, no I don't Because I'll be training with him You felt it? Yeah
Starting point is 00:47:40 That's what you get That's what you get I don't know what he's your feeling You like how he said He said, oh I don't know That's what I mean you know? No, don't. Yeah, absolutely I know.
Starting point is 00:47:53 Gone, done. But look at it, truthfully. We've seen him be consistently charismatic in the ring, energetic in the ring, break guys down, all that kind of stuff. But in his last fight, he had a problem with the mover. So that's another adjustment. That shows something that we didn't really expect. We expected him to catch up to this.
Starting point is 00:48:14 But it's a difference, Sean. And we understand if, okay, a dude is moving, that dude was running. It's a different. Running. It's a difference. Like, if I'm a professional fighter and I got somewhat of good defense and I'm in the best shape of my life, I can't run 12 rounds without you knocking me out. Because I'm not giving you nothing. It's not like I'm throwing anything out there.
Starting point is 00:48:42 You get to slip. You get the counter punch. No, I'm just running up on you. And I'm just, bang, bam, bam, and you just, and then you run to this side of the ring. And then you run to this side. You're not giving me nothing. Well, all I'm saying is that whatever adjustments that could have been made, I really, again, to your point, I didn't see any adjustments that could be made. Me either.
Starting point is 00:49:03 Because if he went to the center of the ring and said, come here and fight me. That dude wasn't going to the center of the arena to fight him. And one thing when I was watching the fight, shout out to Jared Hurd, because Jerry Hurd was sitting behind me. and we're watching the fight and Jared Hurd said this dude ain't giving him nothing man he's not fighting yeah this is like
Starting point is 00:49:22 this the worst kind of fight because he's not fighting yeah he just trying to survive his whole motive was to survive I'm not oh he knocked everybody out I'm not getting knocked out I'm surviving but to my point somebody moving like that
Starting point is 00:49:36 apparently that was something he had never even never seen before or they just cutting off the ring and putting so much pressure on him that the referee come in and say all right that's enough that's the only adjustment that could have been made right cut the ring off even more than you already was and let's let's keep it real a lot of punches was swung and missed by him yeah you got a great mover this dude was a rabbit moving the whole night 100% right but do something to make these rep this ref get this dude up
Starting point is 00:50:06 on the roads rough him up do something my point is whatever adjustment that could have been made I didn't see that adjustment To cut off the ring And apply so much pressure To this guy And again, you have not seen that before Right You have not seen Arrow before
Starting point is 00:50:23 Somebody that's going to walk you down And block him And things like that You have not seen a Terrence Crawford Somebody that's going to switch And move and be offensive And defensive And control the range
Starting point is 00:50:34 Those guys are very consistent At what they do well I wouldn't advise Earl To tempt to walk boots down that's going to be a dark alley I want to advise he's not going to walk him I believe it
Starting point is 00:50:47 not boots yeah do you think they punch hardest hard as boots I can't imagine they don't what boots
Starting point is 00:50:54 is a natural 147 pound fighter arrow is a fighter coming down every single fight he's a natural 147 pound fighter Terrence now is a natural
Starting point is 00:51:04 147 he's come up you know what I mean and they're grown men he's still growing into the power and things like that he may have his grown man power but I'm sure he got some steps to take you know what I mean all right so after this fight whoever win we don't see we don't see Terrence versus boots we don't see terror we don't see arrow versus boots never going to happen I don't think that fight ever happens why well you never got Keith Thurman versus
Starting point is 00:51:33 Mayweather you never got Sean Porter versus Pachia you know those guys were just on another level from us and even though we were calling their names and say yeah we'll fight them and we're trying to establish ourselves and things like that that's what booths is within the boxing world he's practically established at this point but from a standpoint of who you bring it to the to the to the stadium and how much what's your what's your base your uh your your your your purse minimum he don't got the same person minimum as those guys right and he's he i mean he's still what another a year away from that kind of person minimum in another year those guys will be up at
Starting point is 00:52:11 154 and he'll be chasing them at 54 you know I don't think we ever see Terrence or Arrow get in the ring with boots I don't think that's the business you know what I mean I don't think it evil but I don't know if it's about business or not I ain't mad at that
Starting point is 00:52:27 I'm just saying my motherfucking young boy I love Arrow and that's my dick but you know I knew boo since he was 12 years old so that's nephew he's different Different, different You know what You know what motherfuckers
Starting point is 00:52:42 gonna see how different he is July 8th When he get this nigga Roman Villa out of head Four rounds Promoting the next fight I'm just saying I'm just saying July Eve that's when he just
Starting point is 00:52:54 I just found out this when he fight He fought the guy to just Dusted Rashida Ellis off Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I saw that Watch how easy this is Yeah He's not gonna run for 12 Because he's not gonna
Starting point is 00:53:05 He's gonna stand there and rumble. Yeah, you're going to get put out. See, this is what I don't like about boxing. How can I fight a man that didn't throw no punches? I win every round
Starting point is 00:53:18 and get criticized. Boxing is just don't make no fucking sense, man. Boxing do not make no sense. Did I just criticize? No, I'm just saying the media criticized. I was trying to use it as an analogy. Not necessarily you.
Starting point is 00:53:32 I'm saying the media, you look at the YouTube joints all of a sudden. he ain't ready for this person he ain't ready. He just won every second of every round with the motherfucker through 40 punches the whole fight. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:44 And then get him one. The motherfucker came there and gave you nothing to work with. He just said, I'm just not getting knocked out. That's my only goal. My only goal in this fight is to get a check and not get knocked the fuck out. This man won every second of every round and motherfucker said,
Starting point is 00:53:59 he ain't ready. He ran. Wait, wait, hold on. He had another professional fighter who was ranked number four in the division. who came in soon as he felt a motherfucker punch
Starting point is 00:54:10 missed him he felt the air on that motherfucker's oh what the fuck's going on oh no no no I think the fight we get now is the fight we should have saw last time
Starting point is 00:54:21 yeah yeah and you're gonna get I think stylistically it would have made more sense for Rochini Ellis was talking shit that he wanted to fight but if you look
Starting point is 00:54:29 if you look at that kid who boots fought he never fought like that I said the same thing. He's like, he's from here with it. Did not know that he was going to come to the ring and do that. Now, you fight boots and you talk about Bhoch, Bisho, Bisho, Bisho, Bishu, Bishu, Bishu, Pichu, Pishu, Pishu,
Starting point is 00:54:47 and Walla will tell you, after the fight, the referee is sitting right here in front of me because we're in the front row. He letting the people go. He said, yo, Killy, can I get a picture with you? So I say, yeah. I said, man, why you let that man come in there and steal that money like that man, man ran the whole fight? The ref said,
Starting point is 00:55:05 That man was in the best shape I've seen anybody in the last 20 years on everything I love. The rep said, man, that man was in. He said because when he got to about the 7th of 8 round, I was like, he going to slow down. He said he didn't slow down. Yeah, wow. Did you watch him before the fight or after the fight? No, I had to go back and watch. I had to go back and watch two.
Starting point is 00:55:26 Like, this is how the nigga fight. Then I'm like, no, he's actually rumbling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that just let me know, okay, boots really. ball man yeah he really when you feel it see one thing's for sure two things for certain there's one thing boots always say everybody talked that shit till i touch him gilly then when i touch him it's a whole different ball game once i touch him everybody think it once i touch him it's a whole different ball game yeah i talked to him in his dad and he and you know he was real
Starting point is 00:56:03 short with me. He didn't like some of the things I said on my podcast. Well, what you say about it? Oh, yeah, you did say some crazy shit. I don't like. No, you said some crazy shit about what he's saying? I can't remember. Hold on. Let me think. Well, tell him where you heard it, first of all. Tell him where you heard.
Starting point is 00:56:18 Well, Porta's, Portaway podcast. He don't know. That's the Portaway podcast. Make sure y'all tune into it. No, you actually got some good shit going on over there. Thank you, man. Portaway podcast. That's why I heard it. But he's, I can't fucking remember. This was a while ago.
Starting point is 00:56:33 This is what I said, damn it. And we're going to open this up again. Come on. Let's open this can of worms off. I was mad about it. I said, I'm tired of people, everybody walking up to me
Starting point is 00:56:43 saying boots washes everybody. I said, as a competitor, I can't get with that kind of conversation. I don't connect with that kind of conversation. I'm too competitive to look at another fighter and say, oh, you wash everybody. I said, let him get in the ring with some of these guys
Starting point is 00:57:00 and stop saying he just washes everybody. Let him fight Terrence Let him fight Arrow Let him fight some of these other guys out here Let him fight Danny Garcia And some of these other guys out here That everybody says
Starting point is 00:57:12 Oh he watches this guy He watches Let's see it Let's see it He's great I give you that You're great You're on a Roy Jones level
Starting point is 00:57:21 Where there probably ain't Nobody that's going to stop you Until you start You stay in there too long And you start stopping yourself That's the level that he's on But at the same time I don't like that people
Starting point is 00:57:32 just say, yo, he's going to watch that guy. He's going to watch this guy. Like, yo, let's, let's let's let him happen. He told him to come out of retirement. I told him to come out of retirement. I told him no, no, no, no, no. I love it.
Starting point is 00:57:43 If at the end of the day, you are here to entertain me. Man, because at the end of the day, you are here to entertain me. I'm not, I'm a civilian now. Yeah. I ain't got to worry about getting in the ring with nobody are doing, getting here. And you tell you when I'm here for you.
Starting point is 00:57:56 I know you is. So I might come spar with you, but that's about it. You got me. Look, hey, I love this dink. because he isn't he isn't shit quick we're ready to come out over time
Starting point is 00:58:07 I'm here for you I know he is but I ain't here for you Nick I'm retired This what you do I'll show Like you just look
Starting point is 00:58:14 Yeah yeah yeah And I don't we know I said You know That's all he want to do is They was arguing
Starting point is 00:58:19 But that's how you But let's really Let's analyze You know But let's analyze No no No I don't even know
Starting point is 00:58:27 I don't even know I don't even know I got excited I got excited I got excited I forgot I said it Straight up I was like cut it off
Starting point is 00:58:37 Listen let's analyze this though When Roy Jones popped on the scene Nobody stopped him Nobody He was the kind of guy that I don't know how people talked about boxing back of the day But you know how they always keep saying That boots hasn't been tested yet
Starting point is 00:58:52 Boots ain't been in this And he ain't seen that yet Oh that sound good Roy never had to go through that process Roy was knocking them down knocking them down and I think we got the same thing with Boots.
Starting point is 00:59:04 Boots got Roy Jones type talent but you're saying Terrence and Arrow could get them out of there then you saying Terrence and Arrow could get Roy out of there because no it's my eye test back in the Roy was 147 Roy was the man
Starting point is 00:59:18 and Boots is the man but the eye test is telling me that I can't just say that what he's done with all these other competitors that are not at this level of a Earl Spence or of a Terrence Crawford, I don't know if everything that he does, that he's done against those guys, if it's going to work the same against Arrow, if it's going to work the same against Terrence.
Starting point is 00:59:41 Do you know, I don't seen Boots drop heavyweights in the gym, bro? I believe it. I'm talking about. You're trying to scare me right now? No, no, no, I'm saying. I'm saying, I don't seen boots put down a fucking heavyweight in the gym, bro. Yeah? A heavyweight, bro.
Starting point is 00:59:57 Boom, boom. That's what we do. And it's like. It's what we do. See, it's not uncommon. Oh, it's not uncommon. You don't put down some heavy weights there. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:00:05 Oh, shit, I didn't know that shit. I started sparring with pros when I was 14 years old. Not taking nothing away from boots. No, it's the same thing. When you're at a certain level, you can't just spar with anybody. Now it has to be pros. Right. And it's got to be durable pros.
Starting point is 01:00:19 Right. It can't be pros at your weight class because you're too good for pros at your weight class. So now you're fighting professional heavy weights. Right. I get it. Right. One thing about boost, though. I get it.
Starting point is 01:00:30 Seven since Boots was a kid He always had a bad name For not He couldn't get no work Because he was too much Because he'll kill you in there Yeah He don't get fuck
Starting point is 01:00:41 He green He only got full fights Boots be over there like this No that's cool Fuck Hold on Boots No Boost don't get fucked
Starting point is 01:00:52 You're stuck You step on that other side That fucking ring With Boots He don't get fucking green Big orange blue He's gonna beach and black and blue of that
Starting point is 01:01:01 motherfucking. Boots couldn't get no fucking sparring. Man, listen, man, I don't have a lot of fighters be like, man, we got off on Sean. We got him, we got him. Well, you weren't on my level, so I was just trying to take it easy. The shit backfired. No, see, you and there working on your jab.
Starting point is 01:01:17 Ain't such thing with that shit with Boots. All Bootsie is my fucking gray. You know what I'm saying? I got somebody to spar with me. All right. This shit will go a minute and 30 seconds. Bop, bop, you're watching, Spar? What?
Starting point is 01:01:34 Yeah. He's dangerous. Bro. He dangerous, right? Bro. Bro, boots last camp? Yeah. No fighter want more than four rounds with him.
Starting point is 01:01:45 Yeah. No fighter. Man. The kids keep rotating out. He got four rounds. Send him to the hospital. Come on, bring him in. He got four rounds.
Starting point is 01:01:55 Stretcher. Send him to the hospital. Send him to the morgue. He's dead. You know what he's going to be? his Achilles Hill As a fighter He loves doing this so much
Starting point is 01:02:05 Oh my God That he don't take no rest No he live, eat And shit boxing bro And the last thing That's what I told him When I had him on my show I said yo make sure you get in rest
Starting point is 01:02:16 Bro he live eating shit boxing bro You know he do not play this shit But guess what LeBron James is one of the greatest Ever And he loves the sport Has probably done this probably done this probably five more years than he even need to do it and he's going
Starting point is 01:02:32 going but he still get his rest he still get his recovery he's still making sure his nutrition is right and all that kind of stuff those are the small nuances that again along the way you need to learn these things before you start getting in the ring with the arrow or terence you need to start learning how to get rest through the week get get as much recovery as you do the work you know what I mean so it's like little small things I think that that's one thing that that really could show up for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for be wrong yeah he could be somebody that just don't need rest right you know
Starting point is 01:03:09 what I mean right all he need to do is get in the ring with one of them and they feel that power yeah and we're going to see if they got track sneaks and I and I love his demeanor too yes what would you what does he said he's not a tough kid he's not none of that he just I mean I just box man and what did you say he says everybody says that until they get in the room Until they feel my power. Feel that power. That's why you said, you said I don't want to feel that shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:32 To I touch everybody say that, Gilly. So I touch him. To I touch him. Me. Listen, to I touch him. Me. Everybody say. Showns and I don't want to feel that.
Starting point is 01:03:39 To I touch him. Me. As soon as I touch him. Like, see, for me, I just, I just believe in that kid because when you, when you got that much talent, first of all, his dad is known in the city of Philadelphia for being a, best defensive trainer from the city of Philadelphia. So one thing you know
Starting point is 01:04:02 when you went up the bozies to get any fucking work was it's gonna be hard to hit these knickers. This ain't these knickers is going. You went to that motherfucking gym that was over the top of that mass jit. The one thing you knew was ain't shit in that gym going to work.
Starting point is 01:04:17 That's what I always saw the Farrah. Ain't nothing in that gym. Always defensive. Ain't nothing in that gym going to work. Wow. The motherfuckers might be in there jumping ropes with no jump rules in their motherfucking hands they might be in there like this
Starting point is 01:04:30 we like we came up together like we were fighting on the same promotion promotional team me and Farah and me and my dad we let that say oh Farah's good he's a little too defensive
Starting point is 01:04:40 he didn't let his hands go a little bit more now you got boots just as defensive is he? Yes but then offensive
Starting point is 01:04:48 right because you got to understand that's what that's what I was going to say I was going to say he's like a Shakur Stevens and a and a Tank Davis put together.
Starting point is 01:04:59 Because Boots came out the vagina into a fucking boxing gym, man. Yeah. You got to understand. Boots used to be a key, probably five years old, four years old, and he's sitting in the ring and his brother's coming down the aisle going to fight.
Starting point is 01:05:12 Yeah. And his dad, the trainer. Yeah. And then he had to gym every day his brother sparring in there. I just told Boots, I said, listen, man, the only motherfucker that's going to be colder than you
Starting point is 01:05:21 is his nephew right now because he dropped out. the vagina into the boxing gym. See, a nigga right now, he's six years old throwing all kinds of combinations. Yeah, what the fuck's going to be. See, but it comes from it. But Bozzy was a 27 and a half-time black belt
Starting point is 01:05:40 and ghetto karate. So that's where he got all the defense shit. What the hell? Now, Bozzy, we used to, we used to spar back in the day. He did, do karate and shit, but he's a, he's a fucking pig belt. He'd be hyping his status up. Fuck out. He'd be hyphen his day.
Starting point is 01:05:57 He was a pink belt in prison. How you get a half a belt? No, because he went up against karate earl and they called it the drawer. That was my sense. What was he for my sense? Karate Earl and they called it a drawer. Karate. Karate.
Starting point is 01:06:08 Karate Earl. First of all, let me just tell you who this thing was, right? I didn't want to say it. This nigga was an ex-Vietnam digger who used to take kids to the fucking park and teach him karate. Like, he was on drugs. He used to get to check everybody and spent all his money on pussy. Or hook or pussy. Am I telling the truth?
Starting point is 01:06:28 But he then used to spend time with the kids. And Wallo used to be one of the fucking kids over there in the park. He over there with all this dumb and shit. Come on, Cousy. Fuck, no. I see, I'm three years old. So I used to think that shit was weird. Like, why he just wanted to take kids to the park and just something wrong with that
Starting point is 01:06:45 nigga, man? Corradi, Earl forced Bose into martial arts retirement. Because he was devastated. I don't weigh in that shit. He got to draw. I don't wear that shit. But anyway, he used to be in the park with his, old fucking vietnam big and teaching him karate for no fucking reason and he's talking about him
Starting point is 01:07:01 man you're still here that's all the matter that's all the matter i practice the arts fuck out of here so before we get out of it shan i got to know they get you a hundred million dollars but you got to bet it on the fight sheesh you got to put it on errol spencer terence crawford who's you dropping that hundred million on and why and why come on man you got to do it when you look at terence crawford and for me i go beyond the fact that he fights from the left from the left hand and and fights from this from the from the right hand and you know i i go beyond that he's still one of the most versatile fighters in the ring and he adaptable he's adaptable you know
Starting point is 01:07:51 and that i i i would i would believe in the rain and a little bit more and it's like I said like this is consistency versus consistency and this is what we know about life if you're consistent at what you do every single day you're going to be successful these guys you got one guy very consistent at adapting and another guy very consistent at being controlling you know what I mean but then you got another guy the same guy that's adaptable he like to be in control so I'm I'm going to adapt when I'm ready to adapt you know what I mean like I just I think think it's a masterful fight it's a fight that I think the world needs to be seeing I think that
Starting point is 01:08:31 the numbers should be like the numbers of arrow of uh Ryan Garcia and tank Davis I hope that they are because you're going to see what boxing is in this fight I would put that 100 million on Terrence we we usually pick the same we're not picking the same on this one huh I mean I don't know man But anybody can win, man. Terrence is a bad motherfucker. Arrow is a bad. Then why the hell you make me pick? Because you are guests.
Starting point is 01:09:04 Now, before we get out of here, I got to ask you a question. Top five boxes now. Top five boxes yesterday. Sheesh. Now, I think now is probably a little easier. I might be able to do both. No order, no specific order, but tank. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:09:23 I'm going to go tank Arrow Terrence Shakur he don't have the profile yet but he's and I'm going to go ahead and go with boots too them two guys right there that who they are right now as fighters their profiles don't reflect who they are right now
Starting point is 01:09:45 they're going to be Hall of Famers they're going to be everything and you see it now they just haven't had the right fight at the right time to really put them in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that elite status for the sake of words but both those guys boots and Shakur I think those are two guys that we can bet that they're going to be unbelievable phenomenal at boxers until they're done um on the other side of that marvelous marvellous marvela haggler is my number one um Muhammad ali for the things he did in the ring and out of the ring I think that that is just next level again one
Starting point is 01:10:23 Once of the Lifetime Generation type situation right there. Mike Tyson. I think again, like starting to learn Mike after the game gave me more respect for who he was in the ring. You know what I mean? Floyd. We're never going to see another fighter have one style in the beginning of their career and a completely different style at the end of their career. We'll never see that. We'll see fighters do different things in the ring.
Starting point is 01:10:47 But he went from being electrifying, power punching, aggressive, fast. fast, all that to being defensive you can't touch me and I'm gonna touch you when I'm ready to touch you right we'll never see anybody
Starting point is 01:10:59 change your style again the way that Floyd was able to do that what's that three four that's four one more Roy
Starting point is 01:11:08 Roy Roy was a bad motherfucker Roy was an athlete wrapped up in the boxer's body Roy started losing until he started doing
Starting point is 01:11:17 videos and songs and shit he was rapping too he must have forgot his life's one out Roy, you must have got to go to the fucking gym. Oh, man, I can't laugh at that. Can't laugh at that.
Starting point is 01:11:30 Let me say, Roy got his money, man. Can't laugh at that? Roy got his money. Roy, no goddamn well. He ain't, Roy, he started losing to the video. Vixas came in a play. A little fucking video. He started hanging with Liljohn and all of them things.
Starting point is 01:11:42 Oh, no. He cut Roy electricity right off. That's messed up, man. Roy, my God, man. Yeah, I can tell. Come on, man, we got to learn. We've got to keep reality reality. Some realities don't need to be said.
Starting point is 01:11:57 No, come on, you know, dead well, Roy ain't started using it until he started rapping. We know, we ain't got to talk about it out loud. I can't co-sign this, man. All right, well, we know we go co-sign the Portaway podcast. Porta-way podcast. Make sure y'all like, comment, subscribe. He's doing this thing, as y'all know. He is very well versed.
Starting point is 01:12:15 We're going to do a charity match, me and him, Vegas. Trying to get somebody to sponsor. Anybody want to sponsor. It's a charity match You're doing it One of the big hotels gonna sponsor Listen, man
Starting point is 01:12:26 What's this fight happened In June 29? Oh no Excuse me, July 29 Arrow and Terrence Yeah, they can put you on the undercard No, no no We're not gonna be on the car
Starting point is 01:12:36 We're gonna be the night before We're yeah All right Yeah, we're an appetizer Let me just say I got gear for you I don't need no gear for you I got the gym for you
Starting point is 01:12:46 I got the ring for you I don't even know You see how we talk about boots And all of he retired For you he will He came out. He'd be right for that, buddy. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:12:54 He'd be right on your ass. Absolutely. He didn't get free money. No, we're just going, yeah, we're just going to record that. I don't need to get paid for that. Yeah, I don't need to get paid for that. Damn, he's like, he's just going to go viral. Yeah, we're just going to record that.
Starting point is 01:13:04 He's too wild old of the fuck. Yeah. And when it's done, you can say, I thought it had to reach. No, this is. And it fade out of the camera. That's all I thought it had to reach. And then fade out. So did the 6-5, that he broke down like a goddamn motorbike as an amateur.
Starting point is 01:13:20 He thought he had to reach. too. It's a motherfucker fight, d' nigga six, five and shit he's like 5, 7, 5, 8 breaking shit down.
Starting point is 01:13:29 But listen, poured away podcast, make sure y'all like, comment, subscribe, check that thing out, man. He's very well versed
Starting point is 01:13:36 him with the conversations that he's given out there. And he's very opinionated too. And he says a lot of shit
Starting point is 01:13:41 people don't like, but you got to respect it because it's coming from somebody who really was in the ring and really did his thing. Hall of Famer. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 01:13:51 Thank you. Thank you, man. Showtime, Sean Porter, man. Appreciate you for stopping through, brother. Yeah, appreciate you, Biggs. That's right. The Porter Way podcast, check it out, baby. Right.
Starting point is 01:14:01 And it's just like that. Right.

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