Mind of a Serial Killer - A Crime House Halloween Special: The Conjuring’s True Horror | From Twisted Tales

Episode Date: October 19, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Crime House has the perfect new show for spooky season, Twisted Tales, hosted by Heidi Wong. Each episode of Twisted Tales is perfect for late-night scares and daytime frights, revealing the disturbing real-life events that inspired the world's most terrifying blockbusters, and the ones too twisted to make it to screen. Twisted Tales is a crimehouse original, powered by Pave Studios. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes out every Monday. The Halloween celebration continues here at Crime House,
Starting point is 00:00:40 and today we've got another chilling bonus episode just for you. We're releasing an episode of Twisted Tales, a brand new show from Crime House, hosted by artist, poet, and ultimate horror queen, Heidi Wong. Every Monday, Heidi takes you beyond the movies into the true stories behind horror's biggest legends, from haunted dolls to cursed houses, revealing the disturbing real-life events
Starting point is 00:01:06 that inspired some of the world's most terrifying blockbusters and the ones far too twisted to make it to screen. After the episode, make sure to follow Twisted Tales with Heidi Wong on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Here's your bonus Halloween episode, if you dare. This is Crime House An old farmhouse A doll that attacks you in your sleep
Starting point is 00:01:47 If you love horror movies This might sound familiar But behind the films, it's all too real Welcome to Twisted Tales a crime house original. I'm Heidi Wong. I'm an artist, poet, and creator, and if you've seen my TikTok, YouTube, or Instagram, you'll know I'm obsessed with horror movies, watching them, writing about them, talking about them, the scarier, the better. Every week I'll take you deep into the true stories behind horror's biggest legends. From vengeful ghosts to bloody slasher's to alien
Starting point is 00:02:17 encounters and more, these real-life accounts are guaranteed to keep you up at night. But scary stories aren't any fun if you're telling them alone. If you've ever had a haunted moment or a twisted tale of your own, I want to hear about it. Drop it in the comments, the creepier the better. Today I'm going behind the scenes of one of my favorite horror franchises, the conjuring universe. Since 2013, these movies have captivated and terrified audiences around the world. And in this episode, I'll tell you about two of the chilling true events that inspired them. Flyer Transat
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Starting point is 00:03:40 In 2013, a movie came out that was so scary it built an empire off of your nightmares. That's right, I'm talking about The Conjuring. If you haven't seen it or just need a refresher, a quick recap. In 1971, a family buys an old run-down farmhouse in Harrisville, Rhode Island. Surprise, surprise, it's haunted. And when the spirit attacks them, the family decides to fight back. Enter paranormal investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren. With the Warren's help, the family overcomes their ghost problem and banishes their tormentor back to hell. Or so they think. Sounds pretty scary, right? But I promise you, the real story is even more terrified.
Starting point is 00:04:21 Just like in the movie, it all started in 1971 when the parent family of Roger and Carolyn and their five daughters bought an old farmhouse in Rhode Island. But here's the thing. In The Conjuring, everything ramps up in a pretty short amount of time. In real life, though, the parents endured their haunting for nine years until 1980. Their oldest daughter, Andrea, wrote a series of books about their experiences called House of Darkness, House of Light. You should totally check them out if you don't ever want sleep again.
Starting point is 00:04:54 And if you've already read them, tell me what you think in the comments. According to Andrea, moving to the farmhouse was her mom's idea. Carolyn wanted to get her kids out of the city. And when she saw the listing, she thought that it was perfect. The place was almost 250 years old, so it needed a lot of fixing up. But it was quiet, peaceful, perfect for raising a family. At least that's how it seemed. Carolyn was so eager to start their lives there,
Starting point is 00:05:21 the Perrin's moved into the farmhouse in the dead of winter in January 1971. And yes, it was just as miserable as you'd think. Not only that, but when the former owner handed over the keys to Roger Perrin, he gave an ominous warning, for the sake of your family, leave the lights on at night. Now, if I were Roger, I'd be saying no deal, I'm taking my family and going back to the city. But at that moment, he didn't think too much of it, just the ramblings of an old man.
Starting point is 00:05:52 However, it wasn't long before the parents realized the former owner was dead serious. It started with strange noises around the house, which made sense. The place was hundreds of years old. But it wasn't just pipes clanking or floors creaking, though. Sound just traveled differently there. Like Carolyn could hear someone whispering from clear across the house one minute and the next, everything was completely muffled. If that wasn't enough, Carolyn would sometimes feel a heaviness come over her, like there
Starting point is 00:06:23 was a presence in the house watching her. And then the flies came. Within a few days of moving in, the house was infested with them, even though it was the middle of winter. And that is when I would have left. When they called an exterminator, the bugs disappeared just for them to come back as soon as he left, because of course they did. This went on for weeks until one day when they vanished just as suddenly as they'd arrived.
Starting point is 00:06:50 But by then, something even more terrifying had replaced them. At some point that winter, Carolyn felt a strange urge to go out to the property's barn. The weather was freezing, so she bundled up to make the quick walk. When she got inside the barn, something just felt wrong. Carolyn shivered as her breath emerged in an eerie mist. Somehow, it was even colder in the barn than it was outdoors. But that's when she decided to nope out of there. But just as she turned to leave, she heard a swooshing sound above her.
Starting point is 00:07:22 One of the previous owners had left a small harvesting scythe up in the rafters, and now the sharp curved blade was coming straight down at her head. In a stroke of luck, Carolyn's heavy winter clothes saved her from getting hurt, but she was convinced that the malevolent force had lured her into the barn and tried to kill her. but her husband wasn't so sure. Roger was a traveling salesman and wasn't there to see a lot of these paranormal events and whenever Carolyn tried to talk to him about it
Starting point is 00:07:52 he insisted there was a rational explanation for it for my fellow horror fans, classic skeptical husband. Although eventually the flies, the weird sounds, and all the things that they couldn't explain, they got to him. And as much as Roger hated to admit it, Carolyn might be right. But with how much money they put into the,
Starting point is 00:08:12 the place, leaving just wasn't an option either. So they put up with their ghostly housemates. And there were a lot of them. One was especially terrifying. Imagine waking up in the middle of the night. You're not really sure why you're up, but you're overcome with this sense of dread. As you try to get your bearings, you think you see something in the darkness, a shapeless form. And then it's right next to you. That's exactly what happened to Carolyn. One night she woke up and saw an apparition at her bedside. It was a woman, or at least, appeared to be. Her face had no features.
Starting point is 00:08:51 It was described as, quote, a swirling rancid mass of rotting flesh resembling a desiccated hornet's nest covered in what appeared to be a mesh of blackened cobwebs. Yeah, not super pleasant. And this wasn't a friendly visit. Carolyn could feel it in her bones. This spirit wanted to hurt her. She tried to shake Roger awake, but no matter how loud she screamed, he wouldn't stir.
Starting point is 00:09:16 The ghoulish woman inched closer and closer until her face was inches away from Carolyn's. In that last desperate plea, Carolyn muttered, God help me. Then the woman vanished. This prayer was enough to make her leave Carolyn alone, for the moment. But the spirit wasn't done with her, or her family. And she was about to do a lot more than appear to them in the dead of night. On the first day of the girl's summer vacation, that first year in 1971, eight-year-old Cindy Perrin was playing in her room when she heard her door open.
Starting point is 00:09:51 She figured it was someone coming to get her for dinner, but when she looked up, it was that same ghost, a woman with a featureless, crooked head. She stretched her arms towards Cindy and said, Come here, little girl, come to me. Cindy was smart enough not to do that. Instead, she ran straight to her mother. Cindy told Carolyn the ghost had tried to take her, which is an understatement.
Starting point is 00:10:16 To everyone's relief, the ghostly woman didn't come back for a long time after that, but Carolyn was terrified that she'd return. Who wouldn't be in that situation? Running wasn't an option, though, so Carolyn decided the best way to defeat this enemy was to understand her. And that started by figuring out who she was. Carolyn went through every record in the local library, the town hall, even the cemetery, and eventually she got an answer.
Starting point is 00:10:44 The evil apparition was a woman named Bathsheba Sherman. According to the town historian, Bathsheba lived in the farmhouse sometime in the mid-1800s. She was accused of witchcraft for supposedly sacrificing a child by stabbing the base of its skull with a large sewing needle. Bashiba swore the death had been an accident, whether or not that was true, it seemed like she was never actually punished for it. But after she died, her spirit lingered on in the property to torment all who lived there. And shortly after Carolyn made the discovery, Bashiba struck again.
Starting point is 00:11:21 After about a year and a half of living in the farmhouse, around the summer of 1972, Carolyn was relaxing on the sofa late at night. It was a warm, muggy evening. Quiet, serene. The exact kind of night she envisioned when she moved her family out to the country. As the clock chimed 1 a.m., Carolyn yawned and stretched ready to call it a night. And then she suddenly felt a sharp pain in her calf, almost like a beasting. But when she looked at her leg, she saw that it was bleeding as if someone had stabbed her
Starting point is 00:11:53 with a massive sewing needle. Carolyn didn't know what to do or how much worse it would get, If Bathsheba was capable of physically attacking her, what else could she do? Thankfully, Bathsheba didn't immediately escalate things. About a year and a half later, in October of 1973, help finally arrived on the parents' doorstep in the form of Ed and Lorraine Warren. In case you're not familiar with the Warrens, here's some background on them. By the time they came to help the parents, Ed and his wife Lorraine were already world-famous paranormal investigators.
Starting point is 00:12:30 Lorraine says she developed supernatural abilities when she was only seven years old, which allowed her to communicate with the dead. Ed was a self-taught demon expert who'd grown up in a haunted house. The two of them made a great team, and in 1952, they founded the New England Society for Psychic Research, going on to investigate thousands of cases. And when one of Carolyn Perrin's friends learned about the family's ghost problem, they called Ed and Lorraine for help. The Warrens came to the Perrin's farmhouse just before howlough,
Starting point is 00:13:00 Halloween, 1973. It was a dark and stormy night. Yes, really. The setting sun filtered through the clouds, casting twisted shadows from the trees surrounding the farmhouse, like outstretched arms clawing to get in. But when Carolyn saw Ed and Lorraine standing on her doorstep, she felt a wave of hope that they be able to hold the evil at bay.
Starting point is 00:13:23 That night, Carolyn took the Warrens on a tour of their home. Lorraine was like a human EMF reader. she immediately sensed a malevolent presence. She thought the parents' daughters could be in danger. According to her, children were more susceptible to paranormal influences. Which, if you've seen pretty much any scary movie, definitely tracks. The girls were hesitant to talk to the Warrens, though. There hadn't been any major activity in a few months.
Starting point is 00:13:49 They were afraid that if they talked about what they had seen, Bathsheba would come back. But Lorraine said that the only solution to their problems was to confront them. So the family told them everything. After a few more visits, Ed and Lorraine came to a conclusion. The parents' farmhouse had a serious demon problem that could only be cleansed with a seance. When the time came, the warrens brought the big guns, a medium, a priest, a professor from Duke University,
Starting point is 00:14:18 along with a whole crew to record the event. In case things went sideways, Carolyn and Rogers sent their daughters upstairs. They had no idea that two of the girls crept back down to watch, Andrea and Cindy. Meanwhile, the adults gathered around a table where the medium placed candles and talismans in a circle. Once the flames were lit and the lights were off, everyone took their seats.
Starting point is 00:14:40 As everyone joined hands, the medium called for God to create a peaceful connection with the spirit in the house. But Bathsheba wasn't interested in peace. After a moment, Carolyn's body jerked back. Lifting her head, she started speaking in tongues, Watching from behind a door, Andrea realized the voice wasn't her mother's. It was deeper, demonic.
Starting point is 00:15:03 Carolyn wrenched her hands away, clenching her fists so tight her nails dug into her skin. She let out a cry, and a wave of dark energy burst from her body. Then Carolyn's chair lifted into the air, rocketing back into the parlor and slamming her to the ground. As Roger ran to his wife's side, Andrea heard a deep guttural roar come from the cellar. It was so loud, it shattered glass throughout the house.
Starting point is 00:15:29 After what felt like an eternity, Carolyn stirred and the house went quiet. The seance was over. Once Carolyn came to her senses, she told Roger she didn't remember anything. But after that night, she became quiet, withdrawn. Eventually, though, she regained her old loving personality. And while there was still spiritual activity in the house, it was peaceful, harmless even. The farm finally became everything she hoped that it would be. But in the process, something had fallen by the wayside,
Starting point is 00:16:01 Carolyn and Roger's marriage. They tried to give it a shot, but after a few years, they divorced. The ordeal had put a huge strain on their relationship. It became totally joyless, and in time, their house did too. In the summer of 1980, the parents moved out and left for Georgia, forever changed and forever haunted. Coming up next, the shocking true story behind another major part of the Conjuring universe. Annabelle, the doll.
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Starting point is 00:17:40 In the Conjuring universe, she's possessed by a demon summoned in a satanic cult ritual by a woman named Annabelle Higgins. Desperate to claim a human soul, the demon pretends to be the spirit of a little girl named Annabelle. who owned the doll before her tragic death. She goes on to terrorize all sorts of innocent people until a couple of nursing students hand her off to the Warrens right before they go on to help the parent family. And in real life, Annabelle's story is even more sinister.
Starting point is 00:18:09 Over the years, she's caused chaos in countless people's lives. And just in July of this year, an investigator with the Warrens Institute named Dan Rivera died while taking Annabelle on a nationwide tour. During a stop in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, Dan sadly passed away in his hotel room. Officially, his cause of death has not been deemed suspicious, but we don't have the autopsy results yet. No matter what, it was a tragic loss, my heart goes out to Dan and his loved ones. But given his proximity to Annabelle, it's become another dark chapter in her terrifying legacy,
Starting point is 00:18:42 one that began over 50 years ago. It all started in 1970, with two nursing students known as Donna and Andrew. They were about to graduate, and Donna's 28th birthday was coming up too. To celebrate, her mom decided to buy her a present. And for some reason, she thought it would be fun to get Donna a raggedy and doll. That's right. In real life, Annabelle wasn't the porcelain doll you see in the movie. This change was possibly due to trademark issues or the producers just thought their version was creepier.
Starting point is 00:19:14 I'm not so sure about that, though. Tell me what you think in the comments or answer on our Spotify poll. Either way, the doll was harmless at first. Donna even thought it was pretty funny. She and Angie kept the raggedy in on their living room sofa, sort of like a mascot for their apartment. But what happened next was no joke. A few days after getting the doll,
Starting point is 00:19:36 Donna noticed it was positioned differently than before, and Angie swore she didn't move it. Donna was pretty trusting, so she took Angie at her word. Maybe she just chalked it up to a memory lapse or something. After all, Donna was about to graduate, so she had a lot going on. But Donna could only deny the truth for so long. Soon she'd come home, and the doll wouldn't be on the couch at all. It would be sitting on her bed or even standing by the door,
Starting point is 00:20:02 which is especially freaky because raggedy anns are super floppy. And then the doll started leaving Donna and Angie messages. About a month into owning the doll, the woman found a note in their apartment, scribbled on parchment paper, the kind you use for baking. That was disturbing on its own since neither of them kept any parchment paper around the home. But the worst part was what it said.
Starting point is 00:20:27 In what looked like a child scribble, the note read, help me. And things only got scarier from there. Shortly after that, Donna came home and found what looked like drops of blood on the doll's hand and chest. I don't know about you, but that's when I be getting this thing
Starting point is 00:20:43 out of my place ASAP. Donna had finally reached her breaking point, too. She knew something was going on with her doll. Something supernatural. But instead of putting the doll through an incinerator, Donna and Angie called a medium, who of course wanted to do a seance. Luckily, this one was a lot less violent
Starting point is 00:21:06 than the one at the parents' farmhouse. According to the medium, a little girl's spirit had possessed the doll. Her name was Annabel Higgins. She'd lived on the property way in the past before the apartment building was built. When she was seven, she died there, although it wasn't clear how, but something had kept her tethered to the mortal plane. And now, she wanted to stay with Donna and Angie.
Starting point is 00:21:29 How could they say no? They gave Annabel permission to keep possessing the doll, a decision they'd soon regret. Because even though Annabelle seemed to like Donna and Angie, the same couldn't be said for Angie's boyfriend, Lou. He thought Annabelle was a little creepy. Bit of an understatement, I'd say. He told Angie they should get rid of her, which Annabel did not appreciate.
Starting point is 00:21:53 One night, Lou was over at the apartment when he experienced what seemed like sleep paralysis. Lou couldn't move or speak and just felt this overwhelming sense of panic. If this has ever happened to you, it's terrifying, right? As Lou's eyes darted across the room, he spotted something at his feet. It was Annabel, and then she started moving. The doll slid up Lou's legs onto his chest. Her arms shot out, wrapping around his throat. Lou was powerless to fight back.
Starting point is 00:22:26 His vision started to blur. The world around him faded away. All he saw was Annabel. Can you imagine the fear, the horror? As Lou took his final breath, he shot awake, sunlight streaming through the window. It had all been a dream. Or was it?
Starting point is 00:22:45 Lou was convinced that Annabelle had really attacked him. He knew that he had to get rid of her. It seemed like Annabelle sensed his intentions and decided to strike first. Later that day, Lou and Angie were at the apartment alone, planning out a road trip. He hadn't told her about his encounter with Annabel yet. Maybe he was just waiting for everyone to be home.
Starting point is 00:23:06 As they looked over some maps, they heard a rustling sound coming from Donna's bedroom. Lou and Angie knew for a fact that she wasn't around, so they thought someone might be trying to break in. If this was happening in a movie, this is the part where I'd be shouting, don't go in there! But Lou was a good guy.
Starting point is 00:23:24 He wanted to make sure his girlfriend was safe, so he quietly opened the door and flipped on the light. The room was empty, except for Annabel, who was lying in the corner. All of a sudden, Lou was overcome with this terrible feeling like he was being watched. He turned around. Nobody was there. But a moment later, he doubled over in pain. Lou looked down and saw that his shirt was stained with blood. He ripped it open and found seven deep gashes in his chest, like something had slashed him with massive claws. And weirdly, or maybe conveniently, the wounds healed really fast,
Starting point is 00:24:02 within a couple of days they were completely gone. But after what happened to him, Donna and Angie finally realized, Annabel was not the harmless spirit of a little girl. They knew they couldn't just throw the doll in the trash, though. With Annabel's powers, she's just come right back. If they wanted to get rid of her, they needed a more permanent solution. They contacted an Episcopal priest named Father Cook, but he didn't know how to help. So he called someone who would. Ed and Lorraine Warren.
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Starting point is 00:25:44 on the Free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcast. After hearing about this haunted, raggedy and all, Ed and Lorraine were happy to take on the case. Once they talked to Donna, Angie, and Lou about their experiences with Annabelle, the Warrens knew they had a bigger problem on their hands. Annabelle wasn't a ghost. According to the Warrens, they're not capable of possessing inanimate objects. No, Annabel was a demon.
Starting point is 00:26:16 I told you. I literally told you to get out of that house, and you didn't do it, and now look at where we are. The more attention people gave it, the more powerful the demon became, which explained how its actions became more intense. Hence, the Warrens believed that if another few weeks had gone by, Annabelle could have gotten strong enough to possess Donna, Angie, or Lou, and killed the others. To banish Annabelle back to hell, Ed and Lorraine believed they needed more than a seance. They needed an exorcism.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Father Cook, the priest who called them, reluctantly agreed to do it. The ceremony seemed to go off without a hitch. But just in case Annabel was still inside the doll, the warrants agreed to take her with them. Donna, Angie, and Lou were finally free of her, but the exorcism hadn't worked, and now Annabel had new targets, her new owners, Ed and Lorraine Warren. On their way back home, the brakes on the Warren's car failed. Thinking fast, Ed grabbed a vial of holy water and splashed it on Annabel. That was enough to get them home safe, but the demon was still in there. And in the years that followed, the Warrens were never able to get her out. To this day, Annabel remains enclosed in a glass case. It's been said that
Starting point is 00:27:30 anyone who antagonizes her or questions her power immediately pays the price. Now, I have to say that a lot of people are skeptical about these stories. Ed and Lorraine, who have both since passed away, have been called frauds, who profited off of people's fear of the supernatural, or made up these stories altogether. But there are just as many people who back up the Warren's accounts. Andrea Perrin insists that her family's experiences were real, and even though they made money off the conjuring, there's no way Andrea could have known that when she published her book, which she did on her own, by the way. Not to mention, after the parents moved out of the house, its new owners eventually opened it for guests to spend the night, and you can find tons of
Starting point is 00:28:12 people who've experienced paranormal events there. Have you stayed in the parents' house? Let me know in the comments. And when it comes to Annabel, you'll find a lot of debate there as well. Donna, Angie, and Lou never gave a firsthand account of their experiences with her. Everything we know about Annabelle's origins came from the Warren's. But they're not the only ones who've come face to face with Annabelle. She was on display in the Warren's Paranormal Museum for years. Since then, plenty of folks have sensed a dark force radiating from her, including the host of ghost adventures, Zach Bagan's.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Not to mention Dan Rivera's tragic death earlier this year while he was on tour with Annabelle. So how much of this is real? how much of it is legend. It's hard to say. All I know is there's so much out there that we can't explain, and I can't wait to explore it all together. Thanks so much for joining me on this episode of Twisted Tales, a crimehouse original. I'd love to hear from you. What did you think about today's stories? Anything you're dying for me to cover?
Starting point is 00:29:15 Leave a comment or review wherever you're tuning in. And be sure to follow Twisted Tales so we can keep. building this community together. I'll be back next week with another unbelievable true story. Until then, stay curious. And remember, there's no reason to fear the dark, unless you try to hide from it. Follow Twisted Tales with Heidi Wong, a crimehouse original now. New episodes release every Monday. Again, that's Twisted Tales with Heidi Wong. Follow now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon on music or wherever you listen to podcasts. And for early, ad-free access, subscribe to Crimehouse Plus on Apple Podcasts.

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