Mind of a Serial Killer - Chris Watts: The Family Man Pt. 1

Episode Date: October 19, 2026

In August 2018, Shanann Watts, 15 weeks pregnant, vanished from her home in Frederick, Colorado, along with her two young daughters, Bella and CeCe. Her husband Chris had been living a secret life: co...nducting an affair, hunting for apartments, and building a future that had no room for his family. As investigators closed in, the gap between his public image and private reality became impossible to sustain.If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow Serial Killers & Murderous Minds to never miss a case! Want all 2 parts of every case all at once? Join Crime House+ and get both parts of each case dropped together on Monday ad-free. Join at crimehouseplus.com or if you’re listening on Apple Podcasts, tap “Try Free” at the top of this show’s page. Serial Killers & Murderous Minds is a Crime House Original Podcast, powered by PAVE Studios.🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to other Crime House Originals Clues, Crimes Of Reddit, Murder True Crime Stories, Crime House 24/7, and more wherever you get your podcasts!Follow me on SocialInstagram: @CrimehouseTikTok: @CrimehouseFacebook: @crimehousestudiosYouTube: @crimehousestudios

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Starting point is 00:00:01 Hi, everyone. Before today's episode, there's another show I want to tell you about. It's called What the Fact with Connor Tomlinson from Netflix's Love on the Spectrum and Carter Roy. Every week, they take three unbelievable true facts from history and tell you the full story behind them. Plus, Conner's infectious energy that'll make you realize history is the most fascinating thing on earth. Follow What The Fact wherever you listen or subscribe on YouTube at What The Fact Pod. Most of us carry two sides to ourselves. There's the one we show the world, the photos we post, the stories we tell at dinner, the version of our marriage we describe to friends, and then there's the one that exists behind closed doors when nobody's watching. For most people, the gap between those two is small. A little exaggeration here, a few things left out there. But for some people, that gap is a chasm.
Starting point is 00:01:07 The public self becomes a performance. The private self becomes a scene. and the two lives can't share the same house forever. In the summer of 2018, Chris Watts presented himself as a devoted husband and father in a Colorado suburb, smiling in his wife's Facebook videos, expecting a third child. But in private, he was a man in love with someone else, hunting for an apartment, and planning a future his family knew nothing about. By August, the gap between those lives had become a new.
Starting point is 00:01:40 lives had become impossible to hide. And Chris decided, one of them had to end. The human mind is powerful. It shapes how we think, feel, love, and hate. But sometimes it drives people to commit the unthinkable. This is serial killers and murderous minds, a crimehouse original. I'm Vanessa Richardson. And I'm forensic psychologist, Dr. Tristan Engels. Every Monday and Thursday, we uncover the darkest minds in history, analyzing what makes a killer. Crime House exists because of listeners like you. Want even more? Join Crimehouse Plus and get both parts of every story dropped on the same Monday completely ad-free. No waiting three days for part two plus crime house bonus episodes every month. To join, go to Crimehouseplus.com. Or if you listen
Starting point is 00:02:45 on Apple Podcasts, tap Try Free at the top of the serial killers and murderous minds page. Before we get started, be advised that this episode contains descriptions of infidelity and domestic conflict and discussion of the murder of a pregnant woman and two young children. So please listen with care. Today we begin our deep dive on Chris Watts. In August 2018, his wife, Shanan, who was 15 weeks pregnant and their daughters, four-year-old Bella and three-year-old Cece disappeared from their home in Frederick, Colorado. Within a day, the search for them was national news. And the man on television pleading for their safe return was the same man, investigators were already watching most closely. As Vanessa goes through the story, I'll be talking about things like how a lifelong habit of swallowing conflict can shape the way someone handles a marriage in crisis.
Starting point is 00:03:41 Why the lies Chris told his girlfriend kept growing and what they reveal about the future that he was building in his head. And how investigators and psychologists read a person's people. in the first hours after a loved one disappears. And as always, we'll be asking the question, what makes a killer? In the summer of 2010, 26-year-old Shanan Rusek was at one of the lowest points of her life. A few years earlier, she'd come out of a divorce she later said took everything from her. She had to start over financially from nothing. And she'd rebuilt fast.
Starting point is 00:04:21 By 25, she'd built her own house outside. Charlotte, North Carolina, and she was earning a good living managing a pair of custom car shops. Then that spring, she got sick. Her hair started falling out. She lost 20 pounds in a month. Some days she couldn't get out of bed. That May, doctors diagnosed her with lupus and autoimmune disease with no cure. The medication made her feel like she constantly had the flu.
Starting point is 00:04:48 She quit her job, and like a lot of people who feel cut off from the world, Shanan turned to the internet to stay connected, posting photos and videos about her life and building a following. Months earlier, she'd gotten a Facebook friend request from a stranger named Chris Watts. They had a mutual connection, his cousin worked with her. But Shanan hadn't responded. Then in late July 2010, Chris messaged her again. This time, she replied. 25-year-old Chris Watts had grown up a couple of hours east of Charlotte in Fayetteville, North Carolina.
Starting point is 00:05:20 His father, Ronnie, was a parts manager at a Ford dealership. His mother, Cindy, was a secretary. His sister, Jamie, was six and a half years older and helped raise him. From the start, Chris was his father's shadow. Ronnie was quiet and reserved and Chris idolized him. They went to more than 200 NASCAR races together. Ronnie taught him how to work on cars, and Chris turned out to have a real gift for it. But he did not have a gift for people.
Starting point is 00:05:50 Chris was so shy that in high school he barely spoke to his classmates. He never dated in high school. A girl had to ask him to prom. Someone on his football team said he'd never once seen Chris get angry. They said he was the kind of kid who wouldn't hurt a fly. His sister saw something else. Chris was rigid about his routines, the way he ate, the order he did things, even the way he said his prayers at night.
Starting point is 00:06:16 It was pronounced enough that Jamie later said she'd wondered whether something was going on, beneath the surface. But it wasn't enough for anyone to get worried about. And after high school, Chris enrolled at a technical institute to chase his dream of working on a NASCAR team. He graduated with honors and sent out applications. He got one interview, although nothing came of it. So Chris took a job as a mechanic at a Ford dealership, the same kind of work his father did. According to his family, he never complained about the dream that didn't happen. He just bottled. it up. That was the man who messaged Shanan in the summer of 2010. Ordinarily, it's not alarming when a child likes routine in order. Children generally function best with structure. But when
Starting point is 00:07:04 there's a level of rigidity there that makes someone that's close to them wonder about it, or when that rigidity extends into areas where it doesn't seem necessary or it's not serving them, like the way they eat, then it becomes something worth exploring. And Chris, also seems to have had a very narrow area of interest by what you described, which is cars. He enjoyed them. He thrived as a mechanic, but they also were reportedly one of the few things that he could really engage with other people about. Otherwise, he was very shy. He was withdrawn. But with that, he also doesn't seem to be expressing much of what's going on internally either. So I wonder whether some of that rigidity was a way of creating predictability for himself. When things feel uncertain,
Starting point is 00:07:50 or outside of our control. Sometimes we cling more tightly to the things we can control, like what we eat, or the order we do things in, or even how we do them. He may not be expressing what's going on, but collectively these things, these behaviors, they are telling us something, and there's certainly something that I would want to explore. Chris's own mother described his father as someone who never told you how he felt. How much does a child absorb from watching a parent handle emotions that way? A lot. learn partly through modeling and parents are their earliest models for what you do with feelings. So if Ronnie rarely communicated how he felt or what he felt or if the sentiment taught to him was that
Starting point is 00:08:33 men should not experience emotions, then Chris could have learned that emotions are something that you contain rather than communicate or feel. That doesn't mean that this is causal. Plenty of children have emotionally reserved parents and they develop appropriate emotional processing skills. But at least it gives us a possible developmental context for why, at least in part, Chris was reportedly quiet. He rarely showed any anger. He wasn't complaining and he kept things to himself. Well, when Shanan first looked through Chris's profile, she thought he seemed a little nerdy.
Starting point is 00:09:08 He wore glasses. He weighed around 245 pounds and he didn't have the best fashion sense. But that actually made her feel safe with him and he was clearly interested. He struck up conversations. commented on her posts and made her feel wanted at a time when she was struggling. Eventually, he asked her to meet up in Charlotte where they both lived. The attraction was immediate, and it wasn't long until they were dating. Still, Shanan was cautious.
Starting point is 00:09:35 She was worried that her health problems would be too much for a nice normal guy like Chris. So she tested him. She later posted about how she'd pushed him away in those early days, giving him every opportunity to walk out the door. He never did. Chris promised to stick by her, through the lupus and whatever else came, and that was when Shanan decided he was the one. On November 3rd, 2012, 28-year-old Chanan and 27-year-old Chris got married. Shenan's health was on the mend, and her family welcomed Chris with open arms. Meanwhile, Chris's family stayed home. His parents didn't come to the wedding. Years later, his mother said it was because
Starting point is 00:10:18 she and her new daughter-in-law just couldn't get along. She didn't like the way Shanan treated her son. From Chenan's side, the feeling was that Chris's parents thought she was stealing him away from them. Whatever the truth was, Chris was upset. But he didn't confront his parents about it, and he didn't really tuck it through with his wife either. Instead, he did what he'd always done. He went quiet. In the first months of the marriage, Chris became distant and cold with Shanan. Then came news that changed everything. In the spring of 2013, Shanan was pregnant with their first child. And now we're seeing what his emotional reservation and potential conflict avoidance looks like in an intimate relationship. If his parents are who he is upset with and whom he's hurt by,
Starting point is 00:11:07 and understandably so, then confronting them or withdrawing from them would make sense, even if he didn't go about it in a healthy way. At least he's expressing himself and it's being directed at the source. And there's something else to be said entirely about his parents for not going to their own son's wedding too, especially if the reason is what you stated. There could be some psychological enmeshment there within that family system. But instead of addressing their absence, he's withdrawing from Shanan instead. And that's one of the problems with chronic conflict avoidance. Not expressing anger doesn't make the anger disappear. It can be displaced onto a more vulnerable target. Or it can come out indirectly like it is here,
Starting point is 00:11:49 through distance or coldness, becoming withdrawn, withholding affection or resentment. And on that note, I think we're starting to see a pattern here. When Chris is caught between people or he's confronted with an emotionally difficult situation, he doesn't seem comfortable with the confrontation necessary to resolve it. He avoids or retreats. And in a marriage that can become damaged, because problems aren't actively being worked through. That is really tough. And being caught between a spouse and your parents is actually a common pressure. Why do you think it pushes some people to shut down entirely?
Starting point is 00:12:26 Because it creates a loyalty conflict. It makes the person feel like whatever position they take, they're betraying a relationship with someone, and both of those relationships are important to them. That's not an emotionally safe position for anyone, which is why I highlighted the significance of his parents not attending the wedding. Whatever their personal reasons were, their decision put Chris in a difficult and emotionally distressing position. And it makes me curious about the larger family dynamic.
Starting point is 00:12:58 Was withholding or withdrawing something that happened when Chris made choices that his family didn't agree with? Was it a form of punishment? Because if that's a pattern, then we're getting into something different. Loyalty test. and withholding affection or love can become a means of control. Well, in the short term, Shanan's pregnancy seemed to brighten things for the newlyweds. Before the baby came, they visited Colorado and fell in love with it, specifically a small town of about 12,000 people, 30 miles north of Denver, called Frederick. They found a five-bedroom house for roughly $400,000.
Starting point is 00:13:35 It was more than they could afford, but they bought it anyway, packed up their lives in North Carolina and moved west. That December, Bella was born. Shanan was over the moon. Because of her lupus, she'd never been sure she could have children at all. Less than a year later, she was pregnant again. In July 2015, they welcomed his second daughter, Celeste. Everyone called her Cece.
Starting point is 00:13:59 But their kids couldn't paper over all the cracks in the Watts' marriage. A month before Cece was born, the couple filed for bankruptcy. Their income the previous year had been around $100,000. Between a roughly $3,000 monthly mortgage, car payments, credit cards, student loans, and medical bills, it wasn't nearly enough. They were falling so far behind that their homeowners association was suing them over unpaid fees. Chris had taken a better-paying job about six months earlier as an operator for Anadarko Petroleum and Oil and Gas Company. It didn't fix the problem.
Starting point is 00:14:35 So Shanan found a way to help. In January 2016, she started working. as a brand promoter and sales rep for a nutrition and supplement company called Lavelle. The job kept her glued to her phone, but she was good at it. She signed up more than 200 people and was soon earning $65,000 to $70,000 a year. The company rewarded its top sellers with travel, and Chris and Shanan started taking trips to San Diego, Las Vegas, and Puerto Vallarta on the company's dime. She even sold Chris on the products.
Starting point is 00:15:09 He started using the company's weight loss supplement. and saw fast results. Soon, he was obsessed with working out. The heavy-set, awkward man Shanan had met online, was gone. In his place was someone lean, fit, and it seemed happier than ever. Friends and neighbors said the two of them couldn't keep their hands off each other. And in late May 2018, Shanan found out she was pregnant with their third child. She decided to surprise Chris with it.
Starting point is 00:15:38 She ordered a T-shirt that read, oops, we did it again, and May 29th she put it on before he got home from work, then filmed his reaction. On camera, Chris looked thrilled. He said, I guess when you want to, it happens. Wow. A few weeks later, on Father's Day, Shanan gushed about him on Facebook. She wrote that their family was blessed to have him and that Chris was the reason she'd felt brave enough to have a third child. Before we get into the physical transformation that Chris had, because I know this was central to discussions about him that came later. I think it's important to highlight the amount of stress they were under.
Starting point is 00:16:19 They got married. Chris's parents did not attend the wedding, and there was significant conflict surrounding that. And then they had their first child, Bella, which is an exciting time, of course, but that also comes with its own inherent stressors, especially when they knowingly bought a house that was outside of their budget. And less than two years later, they had CC, which added even more financial strain. to an already limited budget. And they began to feel the impact of that with bankruptcy and everything that came with that.
Starting point is 00:16:48 So marriage, parenthood, family conflict, and financial strain are all significant stressors. And they are experiencing them within a relatively short period of time. And when we think back to what we were wondering about earlier with Chris may have used routine and predictability as a way of managing things that felt outside of his control when he was younger, I find it interesting that he now becomes intensely focused on something else he can control again. And in this case, it's his health and his physique. Previously, we saw that rigidity around his routines and this intense interest in cars. But remember, this also included food as well.
Starting point is 00:17:28 It was how he ate. And now his focus appears to shift again to what he eats, the supplements he takes and working out. So if we're right that Chris historically managed feelings of uncertainty or lack of control by becoming, more rigid about the things that he could control, then this actually makes sense. His body becomes the thing that he can control. But unlike his routines or the cars and all of that from before, transforming his body actually changes the way he experiences himself and potentially the way other people experience him too. And that may be new for him, especially with what we know about him being shy and maybe a little bit overweight growing up. And that can be very enticing if you're not
Starting point is 00:18:10 happy with yourself, if you're not happy in your current stressful circumstances, and you don't know how to communicate that, or you are in these circumstances because you don't communicate to begin with. Shanan built a very public image of a perfect family. Can living inside that kind of image make it harder for the people in it to admit when something's wrong? Yes, I've like probably everyone listening seeing Shanan's videos. She's spoken adoringly of her family, and that included Chris, as you've even highlighted. She seemed genuinely happy and grateful, and when I answer this, I in no way want to take away from that. Her family was her life, but her family also became a large part of her public identity, which was connected to her livelihood. She was selling products
Starting point is 00:18:57 to help supplement the family's income and get them out of the financial hardship they were in. and she was successful. If her identity as a wife and mother had become somewhat combined with the way she marketed those products, then publicly acknowledging any discord in her marriage could potentially threaten something to her both personally and financially. But let's take the financial incentive out of it. Let's say this was strictly personal and it was just social media for family and friends. if every time she posts something positive about her family and she's met with positive comments in return, that can be validating and reinforcing to someone who, when she turns off the camera or the computer or her phone, feels less positive about those things.
Starting point is 00:19:45 But in this particular dynamic, if you have a husband who is avoidant and is not communicating any unhappiness, then what reason do you have to question? the life that you're actually presenting online. There could also be some cognitive dissonance happening in that, too. She's been presenting outwardly one way, and it's in conflict with the reality, and it's easier psychologically to minimize any information that threatens that public identity than to revisit it altogether. Well, Shanan had no idea.
Starting point is 00:20:18 The man in that video wasn't who he seemed, because within days, a co-worker would catch Chris's eye. And it wouldn't be long before Chris decided she was worth sacrificing everything for. Hi, I'm Elise Myers. I'm a content creator and comedian. You might know me from TikTok. Why am I in your ears right now? Well, that's a great question. I would love to tell you. I have a new podcast called Funny Because It's True. On my show, I'll be interviewing comedians, pop culture icons, and also just people I find really funny. We'll be talking about the awkward moments that keep you awake at night. because if you don't laugh, you cry, right? Okay, funny because it's true. Out now wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:21:08 In late May of 2018, 34-year-old Shannon Watts told her husband, 33-year-old Chris Watts, that she was pregnant with their third child. In the video she posted to Facebook, it looked like a celebration. The truth was more complicated, because within days, Chris met someone at work. Nicole Kessinger was 30.
Starting point is 00:21:29 She worked in the Environmental Department of a contract, that partnered with Anna Darko. Chris noticed her first in the break room. He didn't say anything to Nicole then, or the next few times they crossed paths, but he couldn't stop thinking about her. In the middle of June, he walked into her office and introduced himself.
Starting point is 00:21:48 They started things off by having casual conversations. Nicole thought Chris was soft-spoken and a good listener. He told her he had two daughters. She noticed he wasn't wearing a wedding ring. When she asked about it, Chris told her he and his wife, were separated and finishing up their divorce. He said he was living in the basement until it was finalized. None of that was true.
Starting point is 00:22:09 But Nicole had no reason to doubt him. And by the end of June, just weeks after learning his wife was pregnant, Chris met up with Nicole outside of work for the first time. Flat out denying that he's married would appear intentionally misleading and it would prevent any possible path forward with Nicole. So instead, he constructs a new reality where he combines truth with. truth with deception, but the deception can't be easily independently verified. Or at least, if she tried to with the mutual colleagues they have, she could reasonably conclude he's just
Starting point is 00:22:43 not discussing his personal business at work. So instead, he's separated. They're almost divorced. He's sleeping in the basement. Now he's created an identity where pursuing another relationship can feel appropriate and feasible to Nicole. That's where compartmentalization becomes useful. You keep conflicting parts of your life separated psychologically so you don't have to fully confront the contradiction between them. Chris can be the married father, the devoted husband, participating in Shanan's family life in one compartment, while presenting himself to Nicole as a man whose marriage has already ended in another. And I find the specifics of his lie interesting, because it almost sounds like he's describing the marriage or lack thereof that he wants to already have.
Starting point is 00:23:30 It's the one where the difficult conversations that he avoids have already happened. The separation's already been mutually decided and he's free to move on without having to actually do anything, do any of the hard work. And given everything we've been discussing about Chris and his conflict avoidance, that fits with him. And it's just a really interesting framing and context. Back at home, Shanan could tell something was off. After the pregnancy surprise, Chris had been acting distant and strange. in a way she couldn't pin down. She told a friend she thought he was having an affair.
Starting point is 00:24:05 When Shanan told her mom, she advised her to give Chris some space. But Shanan couldn't let it go. She tried to pull Chris back in by giving himself help and relationship books. He didn't read them. One of them ended up in the trash, unopened. Shanan was at a loss.
Starting point is 00:24:23 Her one hope was a trip she'd already planned five weeks back home in North Carolina with the girls. Chris would join them at the end when he could get time off. Maybe the distance would help make him miss her. Maybe it would fix things. On June 26, Chanan, four-year-old Bella, and three-year-old Cecee flew to North Carolina. Chris stayed behind in Colorado, alone, and free to see Nicole whenever he wanted. By early July, they were having a full-blown affair. To Nicole, it was just a normal new relationship. They saw each other four or five times a week, going on dates to a car museum and great sand.
Starting point is 00:25:00 Dund's National Park. Still, Nicole told Chris she wanted to take things slow. She didn't want his daughters to be hurt, and she suggested he focus on helping them adjust to the divorce. As far as Nicole knew, there was no rush. They had their whole lives ahead of them. Meanwhile, Shanan was getting more and more frustrated. Chris kept missing her calls. He hadn't initiated a single face time with the girls since they'd left. He was acting like he didn't miss his family at all. Ann is pursuing an emotional connection with Chris and Chris's withdrawing. And that's actually a pattern that can happen in relationships. And as the pursuer, she's trying to close the distance with these efforts.
Starting point is 00:25:43 But with a withdrawer, there's more that the person pursues that connection, the more pressure they can experience. So every attempt that she's making to reconnect can be a reminder that there's a relationship problem that the withdrawer doesn't want to confront. So they create more distance, which makes the pursuing partner more anxious and more likely to reach out. And then both of their responses intensifies the others. So here, every book that Shanan gives him and every time she calls him, she's reminding him that there's something he needs to address, but he doesn't want to. And every time he avoids that, it signals to her, there's something she should be worried about.
Starting point is 00:26:26 And interestingly, when they started this relationship, Chris was the pursuer of Shanan. He sent a message to Shanan, and when that one unanswered, he sent another. She wasn't so sure about him. So Chris isn't inherently a withdrawer. He just seems better at pursuing something he wants than dealing with interpersonal conflict when it exists. And we've seen this before, when there was conflict with his parents around the wedding, he responded by withdrawing, And now there's conflict within his marriage. And once again, he creates distance rather than addressing it directly.
Starting point is 00:27:00 And the pattern is just becoming more and more clear. If someone feels their partner is pulling away, what actually helps in that situation? And is there a point where the pursuer should just stop pursuing? Yes. If you feel a partner pulling away, pursuing harder often is not what restores the connection. particularly once you're caught in this cycle that I just described. What tends to help is interrupting the cycle and communicating directly how you're feeling, not passively. You have to communicate what you're noticing, how it's affecting you, and solutions. Like, here's what I think we should work on together. But another hard part for many is that after doing that, after communicating all of this, you have to give your partner room to actually answer those questions. And some people, don't like the answer that they're going to get. Because there absolutely is a point where the pursuer has to stop pursuing.
Starting point is 00:27:59 One person cannot repair a relationship by themselves. And that's what makes this so difficult for Shanan. She's responding to the information she has, which is not much. She just has distance. She knows he's distant. She knows he's missing calls and he's not initiating contact with their daughters. what she doesn't know is that while she's trying to figure out how to reconnect with him, how to get him to communicate with her, he's already created an entirely different version of himself for someone else.
Starting point is 00:28:33 She can't make an informed decision about her marriage, about what she wants to do, how she wants to solve this, or even if she wants to solve this, when Chris is withholding the most important information that she needs in order to do that. On top of everything, there was the problem of Chris's parents. They also lived in North Carolina, not far from Shanan's family. And even though the relationship had never been good, Shanan brought the girls over so their grandparents could spend time with them. The visit went badly. Chris's mother served ice cream that contained ingredients Cici was severely allergic to.
Starting point is 00:29:11 When Shanan confronted her, Chris's mom got defensive, and it turned into a full-blown fight. Shanan accused her of trying to kill her child. In response, Chris's mom kicked her out of the house. Shanan took the girls and said she'd never let them go back. She texted Chris right away and told him to deal with his parents. Chris agreed it wasn't right and said he'd fix it. Although privately, he thought Shanan was blowing it out of proportion.
Starting point is 00:29:38 He wanted his parents in his daughter's lives, and he thought it was unfair for Shanan to cut them out without asking him. But he didn't say any of that to her. He just agreed, and the wedge between her, them drove deeper. At the same time, Chris was falling harder for Nicole every day. A few weeks after the ice cream fight, he wrote Nicole a love letter. He told her she'd taken his breath away the first time he saw her, and that he'd gotten lost in her green eyes the first time they spoke. He listed their firsts together and said he wanted to keep collecting more of them with her.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Then, still daydreaming about a future with Nicole, Chris boarded a plane to North Carolina to rejoin his wife and kids. Things didn't get better once he arrived. Chris kept texting and calling Nicole from North Carolina. He told her his divorce was now finalized. He asked her to help him find an apartment that would work for him and his daughters. Nicole jumped in. As far as she could tell, she'd met a good man doing the right things for his kids. She'd never met any of his friends or family, but she'd told him she wanted to take things slow, so that made sense. By early August, Nicole was searching online for wedding dresses. There's a concept called limerence.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Limerence is an intense, almost consuming infatuation that can happen at the beginning of a romantic relationship, because there's novelty, anticipation, idealization, and a lot of reward attached to every interaction that happens. And because the relationship is so new, you haven't really had an opportunity to experience the actual realities of being together yet because there's no bills, there's no children, no conflicts or personality clashes. You haven't had years of disagreements or disappointments and no stressors. So you're comparing a marriage that contains all of the complications of real life to a five-week-old relationship that right now is just simply a possibility. This is not like
Starting point is 00:31:41 the honeymoon face either. Limerance is much more intense. It's much more one-sided and it can last longer than a honeymoon phase, and it often involves fantasizing and idealizing the person. And when it comes to Chris, his lies and how they progress are actually very revealing. He started off telling Nicole that he was separated, but now they are finally divorced, and he's saying this after having weeks of freedom to spend four or five days a week with her. He's now enlisting her help, so he's moving into action and constructing a friend. future with her, but he's also made no mention of a baby on the way either. He's only acknowledged his daughters in this new future. That's interesting to me. This is the same behavior that we've also
Starting point is 00:32:31 seen before because he's once again describing the life he wants to have, one that does not include Shanan or another child. And his daughters are included in this perhaps because Nicole already knows about them and excluding them would impact her opinion of him as this devoted father. He's already psychologically living inside a future he wants before he's done anything in his actual life to make that future possible. I mean, he's saying all of this while he's with Shanan at her family's home. Well, at some point, the story he told Nicole, all these things he's making up, is going to collide with reality. How do people in this state of limerence deal with that pressure? Do they plan for it? Or do they just not even think
Starting point is 00:33:16 about it? That depends on the person and their psychology. Some people have plans for that. They have constructed lies and excuses for when those realities collide. Others don't think about it. And some don't really care at all about the long-term consequences because they're so concerned about the present benefits or needs. And then there are those who do think about it, but they avoid it. By the time the family flew home to Colorado on August 7th, Shanan's frustration had peaked. She was 14 weeks pregnant and felt more estranged from her husband than ever. Chris was distant and unsupportive. According to a close friend, Shanan said he told her he didn't want the baby. She texted another friend that she wasn't sure she could raise three kids in that kind of
Starting point is 00:34:04 environment and admitted she was having doubts about keeping the pregnancy. If she didn't, maybe she'd sell the house and move out of state with the girls. Maybe it was time to leave him. Then on August 9th, The night before Shanan left for a work trip to Arizona, she and Chris had a conversation she described to a friend as their best talk yet. They'd just learned the baby was a boy. Chris had always wanted a son. Maybe that would be enough. Whatever the talk meant to Shanan, it meant something different to Chris.
Starting point is 00:34:36 On Saturday, August 11th, while Shanan was in Arizona, he hired a babysitter for Bella and Cece and met Nicole at a sports bar in the next town over. That night, Shanan got a bank alert on her phone, a $68 charge for dinner. Chris told her he'd gone to a baseball game with coworkers and eaten alone afterward. $68 seemed like a lot for one person. Shanan told her friend and coworker Nicole Atkinson that she suspected Chris was cheating and that she'd confront him when she got home. Early on the morning of August 13th, after a flight delayed by bad weather,
Starting point is 00:35:13 Shanan finally landed in Colorado. Nicole gave her a ride home. They agreed to talk in the morning after Shanan's doctor's appointment. Shanan would never make it to that appointment. Within hours, she and both of her daughters would be missing. I want to tell you about another true crime show I think you'll enjoy. It's called American Nightmares. The new season, Canal Murders, takes you to Phoenix, Arizona,
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Starting point is 00:36:40 Before Shanan got out of the car, Nicole made her promise to text her after her doctor's appointment that morning. Shanan was supposed to hear her son's heartbeat for the first time. She said she'd let Nicole know right away. Nicole waited until Shanan was safely inside, where 33-year-old Chris and the girls were asleep, and then drove home. The next morning, there was no text. Nicole called, then texted, nothing.
Starting point is 00:37:08 That wasn't like Shanan. She lived on her phone for work, and she always answered. Nicole thought about the lupus and the pregnancy. What if Shanan had passed out somewhere in the house with no one there to help? Around midday, Nicole drove over and knocked. No one answered. She looked through the windows and saw nothing moving. Shanan's car was in the garage.
Starting point is 00:37:31 So she called Chris at work. He didn't sound worried. He said Shanan had taken the girls to a friend's house for a play date. He didn't know which friend. Then, without being asked, he told Nicole that he and Shanan were separating and planned to sell the house. Nicole told him she didn't care about his personal business. She wanted to know where his wife was.
Starting point is 00:37:53 Chris said he was busy and hung up. Nicole got Shanan's mother and a few friends on a conference call, and they told her to call the police. So she did. Him eliciting personal information that she didn't ask for when she is concerned about Shanan's well-being and the well-being of her girls was very interesting to me. When someone offers an explanation before an explanation,
Starting point is 00:38:16 before an explanation is actually required, I pay attention to it. It can mean they're anticipating a question that hasn't even been asked yet. And they're already thinking about how the situation is going to look to the other person and trying to shape how they want it understood. But more importantly, given the context, rather than express concern regarding Shanan's well-being, he's centering it on personal information regarding their relationship. And he's offering it as an unsolicited explanation. And given what we've been talking about, it's even more interesting because this is essentially the same reality he's been constructing with Nicole. His marriage is ending. They're separating. He's moving on. Except now he's introducing that to Shanan's friend. At the same time,
Starting point is 00:39:02 I'm not saying that the statement by itself proves guilt because people volunteer irrelevant information for all kinds of reasons all the time. But given the circumstances, his attention appears focused on explaining the status of their relationship rather than locating his missing family. And that's a very concerning priority in that moment. Shortly after 140 that afternoon, Officer Scott Coonrod of the Frederick Police Department arrived at the Watts' house.
Starting point is 00:39:36 Nicole explained that Chenan was 15 weeks pregnant and had lupus. If she wasn't answering her phone, something was wrong. Officer Coonrod checked the perimeter, and called through the front door, but he couldn't go inside without more cause or permission from a homeowner. Nicole told him Chris was on his way. Every time she called for an update, though, Chris pushed his arrival time back. Finally, his truck pulled into the driveway. Chris gave the officer permission to search the house. Inside, it was clear that no one was home, but Chanan's car
Starting point is 00:40:09 was in the garage with both car seats still in it. Chris found her wedding ring on the nightstand and her phone on a couch upstairs. Officer Coonrod asked if they could look through the phone. Chris said yes, but he didn't know the password. Nicole did, though. It was the due date of Shanan and Chris's unborn son. No calls had been made that morning. It was clear that something was wrong here,
Starting point is 00:40:34 so Officer Coonrod called for a detective. When the detective arrived, the two of them searched the house more thoroughly. There were no signs of forced entry or a struggle. Shanan's wallet, credit cards, and purse were all there, and her lupus medication was inside the purse. Nicole confirmed it. Shanan wouldn't leave any of that behind, least of all her phone. In the master bedroom, the comforter, fitted sheet, and pillows were on the floor. The top sheet was nowhere to be found.
Starting point is 00:41:04 Otherwise, nothing looked out of place. The last thing to do was check with the neighbors. The man next door had security cameras. He pulled up the footage. At 1.48 a.m., Nicole's car left after dropping Shananoff. At 5.27 a.m., Chris's work truck backed into the driveway, far enough that its rear end was inside the garage, hidden from the camera. A short while later, the truck drove away. No other vehicle came or went after that. The way Chris had backed in caught everyone's attention. Both the neighbor and Nicole told Officer Coonrod, they'd never seen him do that before.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Chris had an explanation ready, though. He said his tools had been stolen recently, so now he unloaded them into the garage every Friday and reloaded them Monday morning. Standing beside the officer as the footage played, he walked through exactly what he'd loaded, in detail, without being asked. After Chris stepped away,
Starting point is 00:42:03 the neighbor told the officer he'd never seen Chris so fidgety or so talkative. Normally, he was quiet and subdued. Chris also filled in more of the morning. He said Shanan had been in bed when he left for work, and that she'd told him she was taking the girls to a friend's house later. He hadn't asked which friend. He admitted that after she got home, they'd talked about separating.
Starting point is 00:42:25 It was emotional, he said, but it was a talk, not a fight. It wasn't new either. They'd been discussing it for weeks, and they hadn't resolved anything before he had to leave. afterward, he'd driven out to a job site near Hudson, Colorado, about 17 miles away, and worked alone there for several hours. Nicole listened to what Chris had to say, and she didn't buy it. His demeanor was off, like he was defending himself against an accusation nobody had made. I want to preface by saying that there's no universal way an innocent person is supposed to act in a situation like this.
Starting point is 00:43:05 there just isn't. People can be calm, frantic, they can be detached, disorganized, they even behave in ways that seem totally inappropriate. None of that by itself tells you whether someone is responsible. But what investigators and even forensic psychologists like myself do is we pay attention to consistency or whether someone's behavior seems responsive to what is actually happening in the room. So, for example, everyone is asking questions about where Shanan might be and what happened to the kids. And rather than provide answers to those questions directly, Chris is explaining exactly what he's putting in his truck before anyone asks him to. He's making sure the officer understands that he and Shanan had a talk, not a fight. Those aren't necessarily lies. In volunteering information isn't evidence of guilt, especially in the context of a missing wife. the husband is the number one suspect, and even an innocent person is consciously aware of that and can be anxious about that.
Starting point is 00:44:08 But he appears to be anticipating areas of suspicion before anyone has actually expressed suspicion to him actively. Right now, they're just missing. And going back to what Nicole said regarding him defending himself against accusations that weren't made, in forensic interviewing, that can be interesting because it raises the question, what question is this person actually answering? They are asking what happened to his family and some of Chris's responses just seem oriented toward eliminating him as a suspect
Starting point is 00:44:42 rather than directly answering the question. And that is suspect. It doesn't prove anything on its own, but when you consider all of it, it absolutely warrants more exploration. I thought it was weird too that Chris kept pushing back his arrival time while the officer waited outside his house.
Starting point is 00:45:02 What do you think might have been going on in his head during that drive back home? Yeah, that is definitely strange. Obviously, we can't know for sure. Chris knows for sure. But given how anticipatory he was and how he offered explanations for things that weren't really asked of him,
Starting point is 00:45:20 I think it's completely probable that he was rehearsing responses and explanations on the way there. I don't think that he expected someone to notice her absence so quickly. I think it's highly possible that he thought that he had more time to establish a story or an alibi or his explanations
Starting point is 00:45:44 and solidify them. I think that's more likely the case. Around 3.45 that afternoon, after the officers had left, Chris texted his girlfriend, Nicole Kessinger. He told her his family was missing, Shanan had taken the girls to a play date and hadn't come back, and he didn't know where they were. For a message like that, he seemed oddly calm.
Starting point is 00:46:09 Nicole was worried that something terrible had happened, but she didn't want to overreact, especially if it might upset Chris. Then she turned on the TV. Local news crews were setting up outside the Watts' house. Nicole couldn't understand why reporters would be there if all this was was some kind of misunderstanding. As the night went on, the reports filled in the detail. Chris Watts's two young daughters, his wife, who he was very much still married to, and who was 15 weeks pregnant. Nicole was at a loss for words. He'd lied about everything, and now a very bad feeling settled over her.
Starting point is 00:46:47 If Chris could lie to her about being married, what else was he lying about? Then came a darker thought. Could he have done something to his family to be with her? All through that night and into the morning of August 14th, Nicole confronted Chris over the phone. She demanded answers about his marriage and asked pointed questions about his missing family. Chris admitted he'd lied about being separated, but he insisted he would never hurt his family. He figured Shanan was upset and had taken the girls somewhere to teach him a lesson. Nicole was done listening. She couldn't trust a word he said.
Starting point is 00:47:24 she cut off contact and told him she didn't want to speak to him again until his family was found. Earlier we talked about compartmentalization, and Chris had been transforming physically and creating this single father identity with Nicole. And now that his family is gone and missing, he clearly has no plans to abandon that identity. He continues trying to preserve it. And he's telling her that he would never hurt his family, and instead it's Shanan that was harming him and that she took his children to punish him. So suddenly, she's vindictive and he becomes the victim, and that's classic Darville. When someone has committed a serious offense, often they start constructing narratives very quickly, and initially it's because they need an explanation for the people around them. But they can also
Starting point is 00:48:16 minimize responsibility and externalize blame and create that distance between the person and what they've actually done. And I'm not suggesting Chris actually believed Shanan had taken the girls. Obviously, he knew she didn't. This is not the same story that he told Shanan's friend either. He told her that Shanan took the girls to a friend's house. So I'm saying that he's constructing a version of events that he needs other people to believe and they're not all the same. The only difference with each story is that there's a different audience for it. And I believe that he is trying to hold on to Nicole now because from a purely practical standpoint, she's a liability. They've been having an affair.
Starting point is 00:49:02 She has texts and damning evidence of his infidelity and deception. He needs to keep her appeased in his mind to keep her compliant and on his side in protecting him. Otherwise, I imagine that he'd likely avoid the conflict he's facing with her like he's historically done. Nicole's instinct, that reaction, could he have done this to be with me, was there instantly, at least within hours. Why did the people around Chris see it so much faster than he seemed to expect? Because she had information that others didn't. So Shanan had spoken to trusted people like her mom about concerns in her marriage and about Chris being distant or about concerns about an affair. But they didn't know whether that was actually happening or who the other woman was or who the other woman was.
Starting point is 00:49:49 or how far that relationship had actually progressed. But Nicole did. She was more than just an affair. They were looking at apartments together. They were actually talking about a future that included his daughters. But more importantly, it was all being done under deception and lies because he was not separated, let alone divorced. And again, there was no mention of Shanan being pregnant.
Starting point is 00:50:16 So it makes sense why she, having had so many intentions, conversations under lies and false pretenses would immediately come to that conclusion before other people in his life would or could. By the morning of August 14th, investigators were growing more worried by the hour. Every minute that passed made it less likely anyone would find Shanan and her daughters alive. That morning, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation officially declared the three of them missing and issued endangered missing person alerts. Investigators still didn't know what had happened to Shanan, Bella, and Cece,
Starting point is 00:50:57 but they were almost certain Chris Watts had something to do with it. Later that day, Chris would stand in front of TV cameras and plead for his family to come home. And within 48 hours, the story he'd been telling everyone would fall apart completely. Thanks so much for listening. Come back next time for the conclusion of our... deep dive on Chris Watts. Serial killers and murderous minds is a crimehouse original powered by Pave Studios. Here at Crime House, we want to thank each and every one of you for your support.
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