Mind of a Serial Killer - KILLER INVENTOR: The Submarine Murder Pt. 2

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Peter Madsen claimed journalist Kim Wall's death was an accident. The evidence said otherwise. In Part 2, we follow the forensic case that dismantled Madsen’s lies, and how psychology, evidence, and survivor testimony helped bring justice for one of the most disturbing crimes in Scandinavian history. Killer Minds is a Crime House Original Podcast, powered by PAVE Studios. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. For ad-free listening and early access to episodes, subscribe to Crime House+ on Apple Podcasts. Don’t miss out on all things Killer Minds! Instagram: @Crimehouse TikTok: @Crimehouse Facebook: @crimehousestudios X: @crimehousemedia YouTube: @crimehousestudios To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Maybe it's a coworker with a strange sense of humor or someone who's really fixated on their hobbies. Most of the time we shrug off their behavior as quirky or misunderstood. But sometimes people like that are too hard to ignore because their unusual tendencies are a sign of something more sinister. That was the case for Peter Madsen, the work-obsessed, self-trained engineer desperate to prove himself.

In 2017, when Peter's career failures proved he wasn't as special as he wanted people to think, he found a different way to make his mark on the world. Instead of forging a scientific legacy, Peter made a name for himself as a murderer. The human mind is powerful. It shapes how we think, feel, love, and hate. But sometimes it drives people to commit the unthinkable. This is Killer Minds, a crimehouse original. I'm Vanessa Richardson. And I'm Dr. Tristan Ingalls. Every Monday and Thursday, we uncover the darkest minds in history, analyzing what makes a killer. Crime House is made possible by you. Please rate, review, and follow Killer Minds.

To enhance your listening experience with ad-free, early access to each two-part series and bonus content, subscribe to Crimehouse Plus on Apple Podcasts. Before we get started, be advised this episode contains descriptions of sexual violence and dismemberment. Listener discretion is advised. Today we're concluding our deep dive into the mind of Peter Madsen. Peter convinced everyone in Denmark he was a genius, ready to change the world. But in 2017, he proved that he was nothing more than a madman and that all he was really capable of was depravity and violence. As Vanessa goes to the story, I'll be talking about things like how dark sexual fantasies

can spiral into real-world violence, the early signs of someone's plot to kill, and the kind of denial that killers like Peter are left to deal with when they're forced to look in the mirror. And as always, we'll be asking the question, what makes a killer? With Instacart, you get groceries that over-deliver, so you can over-share your preferences. Want russet potatoes with no brown spots? You got it. Want turnips that look light but feel heavy? Easy.

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That night, the pair was planning to host a going-away party with their closest friends. But just a few hours before the festivities were set to begin, Kim got a text from someone she'd reached out to months earlier, the brilliant Danish inventor, Peter Madsen. Kim had contacted Peter back in March for a piece she was writing about Denmark's space race, the competition between Peter's old company, Copenhagen Suborbital, and his new one, Rocket Madsen Space Lab. Both of these home-built aerospace companies were trying to send a manned rocket past Earth's atmosphere.

Peter had been ousted by his old company due to his anger issues and disregard for safety guidelines. For him, the competition was personal. Kim usually wrote about rebels and game changers, so she was interested to learn Peter's side of the story. In the process, she uncovered much darker truths about the man known as the Danish Elon Musk. Oll lived near Peter's warehouse, so that day when Peter texted Kim and invited her there for tea,

she thought the perfect opportunity had fallen right into her lap. Kim's boyfriend, Oll, was a little hesitant for Kim to enter Peter's workshop alone, but she assured him she would be fine. That afternoon, Kim walked over to the warehouse. 30 minutes later, as Ole was setting up for the party, Kim returned to his apartment with good news. Peter had offered her something even better

than a sit-down interview, a ride on his self-made submarine called the Nautilus. He wanted to take her out on the sub that very evening. Kim said it would only take a couple of hours and she would be back in time for the party. A short while later, Kim met back up with Peter on the dock around 7 p.m., and they boarded the sub. Oll watched as the Nautilus sailed by.

Soon, it was underwater. Shortly after leaving, Kim sent Oll a few texts. She joked that she was still alive and said Peter even brought coffee and cookies for their voyage. This is a pattern of premeditation. Peter carefully constructed an atmosphere of safety, and trust. First, by inviting her into his workshop for tea, he exposed her to a casual setting that would feel safe and would give him the opportunity to lower her guard for what would

come next. Then he escalated to suggesting the submarine that very same evening, which on the surface sounds adventurous and exciting, but in actuality, it was isolating her in an environment completely under his control. I also get weary when somebody pushes something on someone with a sense of urgency, he might have even made this seem like today is the only day you can do this, which could really push someone into saying yes to something that they wouldn't have time to critically think about otherwise. He also layered on small acts of reassurance like bringing coffee and cookies for the voyage. And those gestures may seem benign and even kind, but they function psychologically as potential tools of grooming. They lower defenses. They signal

normalcy, and they help the other person override any feeling of caution or discomfort even further. And this kind of behavior illustrates how some offenders can blur the line between charm and manipulation. Peter was actively managing Kim's perception of him, and this shows us how calculated behaviors can be. Predatory individuals often don't look dangerous in the moment. They can look generous or charismatic and even disarming, and that's part of why these cases are so tragic. The very qualities that make someone appear trustworthy can be weaponized as part of the plan. Well, Kim may have trusted Peter, but Oll didn't. And a couple hours later, as their party guests started to arrive, she still wasn't back. Oll may have assumed that the ride took longer

because the interview was going well. But by midnight, he knew something wasn't right. Kim would never miss her own party without sending a message. So at 1.45 a.m., O'L. called the police to report his girlfriend missing. He told them that she had boarded Peter Madsen's homemade submarine. The authorities were afraid there had been a technical issue on the vessel, so by 4 a.m., a full-on search-and-rescue mission was underway. Helicopters scanned the waters below, and authorities tried to radio the nautilus.

They also alerted all nearby boats and ships that a black, privately-owned, 18-meter-long submarine was missing, and that the owner and a journalist were on board. Authorities scoured the water for any sign of Kim and Peter. The Nautilus wasn't built for speed, so authorities estimated that even at its top pace, it couldn't have traveled more than 21.5 miles from the dock. But that still left a huge stretch of ocean to cover.

There was no way of knowing how long it would take to find them, especially in the middle of the night. unsure of how much oxygen Kim and Peter had, authorities spoke to workers from rocket lab to find out. They claimed that the Nautilus was built to hold up to 30 hours of oxygen, meaning there were still over 20 hours left. But time was running out, because when the sun rose over the bay, people still had no clue where the Nautilus and its passengers were. By dawn on Friday, August 11th, reporters swarmed the docks. Then, at 10.30 a.m., a breakthrough came. Search and rescue divers spotted the submarine above water near a lighthouse, about a 30-minute journey south of where it had originally launched.

A nearby boater, who had joined the search, edged closer to the sub, and saw someone standing in the hatch. It was Peter. After he was spotted, Peter ducked back inside for a few moments, and when he came back out, the nautilus began to sink. Peter immediately jumped off and swam toward another nearby boat. The crew on board pulled him from the water and brought him safely ashore. When he reached dry land, reporters quickly gathered around him to ask if Kim was okay, but according to Peter, he was the only passenger at the time of the sinking. So let's talk about the potential motives for why Peter might have chosen not to say anything to reporters. And the most obvious is self-preservation. We see that often. He may not have considered that

Kim told anyone what she was doing and with whom, or let alone that there would be photographic evidence of her getting on the submarine. And this rescue mission could have actually taken him by surprise. So speaking too soon might risk revealing any inconsistencies or details that could later be used against him. So by staying quiet, he bought himself time to think or craft a story and avoid committing to an explanation that he likely couldn't sustain in the long term. Ultimately, though, whatever the motive, it truly boils down to control and to avoid accountability and preserve the image he wanted to project, especially under the spotlight of a national news. Well, everyone found Peter's statement concerning, but before the media could interrogate him

further, authorities whisked him away. As they did, Peter gave a thumbs up to the cameras. Now people were really questioning his claims. Police needed to get to the bottom of Peter's strange return and find out where Kim was. And that's when Peter's story got even more suspicious. Peter claimed that he dropped Kim back off at the dock around 10.30 p.m. the night before. He said the ride went smoothly and that afterward he took the Nautilus back out. on his own. But while he was alone, the ship had mechanical problems. According to Peter, the ballast system, which is the part of a submarine that controls its ability to float and dive, began to malfunction. And when he tried to fix it, everything went sideways and he had to rush

to make it back safely. He didn't even have time to close the hatch, which actually worked out in his favor because that's how he was able to get out. But Peter's story didn't do much to calm everyone's nerves. In fact, it only left them with more questions, especially since Oll had already told authorities that he had last heard from Kim just after she boarded the Nautilus. Peter's behavior here is something we see with traits of grandiosity. People who rely on a sense of superiority often assume that they can outwit others, in this case police, reporters, and even the public. But when pressed for details, their stories unravel, and that's because they often haven't actually thought through the consequences because of that confidence. That kind of overconfidence

is risky, because it not only blinds someone to their own weaknesses, it can also make them careless or appear sloppy. And because he's also viewed as brilliant in certain contexts, he could have underestimated the ability of others to see through any inconsistencies in his story and then overestimated his own ability to manipulate the narrative. So Peter's attempt to be convincing here isn't just a sign of panic. It could be a reflection of how deeply his identity was built on being exceptional, but whose actual behavior revealed fragility, short-sightedness, and that need for superiority. Police felt strongly that Peter was withholding information. But before accusing him of anything, they visited the spot where he claimed he dropped off Kim. After all,

on a slippery dock, it was possible she suffered an accident once she was off the ship. But they didn't find anything. There was no proof at all that Kim had ever stepped off the Nautilus. Peter was the last person to see her alive. So if something terrible had happened to her, he was the primary suspect. And since his claims weren't adding up, Peter was looking more suspicious by the minute. Once he realized that investigators were catching on to him, Peter changed his tune yet again. Except this time, the cracks in his morbid mind began to show.

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In August 2017, 46-year-old Peter Madsen claimed that 30-year-old journalist Kim Wall got off his submarine safely after their voyage. But now, authorities officially considered her missing, and the more they feared Kim hadn't made it back alive, the more they thought Peter was to blame. Copenhagen authorities knew Peter could be a flight risk, so they quickly arrested him and charged him with involuntary manslaughter.

However, some investigators believed there was nothing involuntary about it. Still, this charge was the best they could do until they knew more. It seems like Peter could tell that authorities could tell that authorities, were still piecing things together, because two days after his arrest, he tried yet again to get ahead of the narrative. This time, he admitted that Kim was, in fact, dead, but that it was the result of a tragic accident aboard the submarine. Peter claimed that shortly after they sailed away from the dock, the heavy latch used to close the top of the vessel suddenly fell and hit Kim in the head. Peter said the force of the latch killed her instantly.

As for her body, Peter apparently felt that a burial at sea was better than bringing her back to land. So he tied some rope around her, pulled her body to the top of the submarine, and tossed her overboard. This is a classic strategic move and a lot of offenders and something we often see in forensic settings. When the initial denial is no longer able to hold its weight, which is often the case when they truly are guilty of what they've been accused of, Some individuals pivot to a partial confession. They'll acknowledge things that they can no longer hide, but they frame it as a tragic accident or a misunderstanding or even self-defense. This serves two purposes.

It preserves their image as someone who didn't intend harm or in some cases was the victim when, of course, they were not. And it tests what investigators or the public will accept as an explanation. In Peter's case, this explanation that he did a burial at sea is an example. that he is trying to manage the perception of him again. Peter is thinking strategically, but he's also still assuming that he's smarter and more convincing than he really is, and that can indicate just how invested he is

in the idea of control. Peter had finally admitted that he knew what happened to Kim, but things still weren't adding up, and the authorities, along with Kim's family and friends, were starting to see right through him. They were convinced that Peter knew more than he was letting on, Not only that, but they had a strong feeling that Peter had killed Kim on purpose. At the same time, people close to Peter through their support behind him, including his wife, half-brother, and many of his colleagues and interns at Rocket Madsen.

But then, on Sunday, August 13th, Danish police found evidence that Peter was still lying. It started when divers recovered the Nautilus and hauled it to dry land. authorities stepped inside the vessel for a closer look. Once inside, expert investigators could immediately tell that the ship's sinking was no accident at all. There was no sign of the type of mechanical failure Peter had described. In reality, someone sank the ship on purpose. As far as the authorities were concerned, that person was Peter,

and it seemed like he'd done it to destroy evidence. About a week after that discovery, authorities realized how sloppy Peter had really been with the clues he left behind, because something disturbing soon came to the surface. A cyclist was riding near the area where the Nautilus had sunk when they spotted what looked like human remains on the shore. They got closer and realized it was a torso. Police immediately arrived at the scene to recover the partial remains.

They quickly sent a sample for DNA testing. The next day, analysts confirmed everyone's worst fear. The torso belonged to Kim Wall. For a man who was supposed to understand water currents, Peter had apparently sent this crucial piece of evidence right upstream without even knowing it. But Peter wasn't just careless. He was also maniacal.

The subsequent autopsy revealed horrifying details about what had happened to Kim. In addition to the torso being dismembered, the medical examiner found 15 stab wounds around the genital region. From there, the ME wasn't certain exactly how Kim died, mainly because her body had been submerged in water for so long. But based on the condition of her remains, the most likely causes were either strangulation or a throat injury. And one thing was clear.

Her dismemberment had been premeditated. So crimes involving dismemberment typically suggest a few possible dynamics. Firstly, dismembering is frequently done to easily dispose of the body or conceal evidence, but psychologically, there's often an element of dehumanization. To commit violence at this level, the victim has to be stripped of their identity, and they have to be reduced to an object to be controlled, disposed of, or even staged in some cases. Also, the act itself can reflect a need for power and dominant. In some cases, it becomes an extension of control and a way of exerting power even after death.

It also indicates a very disturbing degree of emotional detachment. The ability to carry out such an act, whatever the main motivation is, suggests a profound lack of empathy and or a psyche that has become desensitized to violence. From a forensic psychological perspective, the brutality of the act doesn't necessarily tell us why the murder happened, but it does have helped. But it does help us understand the mindset of the person who committed it. And that's typically someone capable of extreme objectification who likely felt entitled to manage another person's life and death on their terms. They have marked disturbances in empathy, morality, and impulse control. Is it possible that specific types of wounds, like in this case, stab marks or strangulation, will tell us something about the killer's emotional state or maybe mostly. at the time? Absolutely. While we can't ever know with certainty what was going on in a killer's

mind unless they tell us themselves and we want to trust what they tell us, the type of wounds left behind can give us some clues about their emotional state or possible motives at the time of the crime. So take stabbing, for example. Multiple stab wounds, especially when they're excessive or not at all immediately fatal, are often interpreted as a sign of overkill. This can suggest intense emotional arousal like rage, jealousy, or a personal connection to the victim. And that tells us the crime was likely driven by strong emotion rather than any kind of cold calculation. Strangulation, on the other hand, is a very different type of act. It's up close, it's personal, and prolonged. It requires maintaining physical dominance over the victim. And because of that, it often points to control,

power, and sometimes sadism. By contrast, wounds that appear more calculated, like a single targeted gunshot or what Peter did here can suggest planning and instrumental thinking. Those don't usually reflect an outburst of emotion but rather an intention

to achieve a goal quickly, efficiently, and within control. Authorities now viewed Peter Madsen as nothing more than a sick, twisted killer. They quickly upgraded his charges from involuntary manslaughter

to premeditated murder. They also added charges for the indeed decent handling of a corpse. Investigators believe that the reason Peter dismembered Kim's body was because submarine hatches are narrow and steep, so they concluded that breaking the body into pieces was the only way he could have moved it. And finally, based on the stab wounds, authorities delivered a third charge for sexual

relations other than intercourse of a particularly dangerous nature. Based on that finding, this indicates to me that the stab wounds were interpreted as having a sexual component because of where they were located. So in other words, the violence also appeared to target intimate areas of the body. He stabbed her in the genital area, and that is sexual in nature if you really break it down. Peter pleaded not guilty on all charges, but to investigators, he clearly had a sexual motivation for the crime. However, they still didn't have a full picture of what had actually happened. And if they wanted to put Peter Madsen away, then they'd have to figure it out. So in September 2017, they sent divers back down to see what else they could find,

and they ended up uncovering things that explained the true extent of Peter's evil. Kim's head, clothing, and a knife believed to be the murder weapon were found in plastic bags near the shoreline where her torso had been discovered weeks earlier. Divers also found her legs, which were bound together with metal pipes attached, most likely to weigh them down. Authorities presented all of this evidence to Peter, and even when staring down the proof of his crimes, Peter insisted that Kim's death was an accident and denied any responsibility. To some people, this level of denial showed that Peter knew his actions were foolish, and that he'd realized he wasn't clever. More importantly, investigators didn't believe a word he said.

They did, however, keep trying to understand what had led him to carry out such a gruesome act. And when they seized Peter's laptop and other devices, they realized his twisted sexual fantasies had been bubbling under the surface for a long time. Peter's personal computer was full of downloaded videos of women who appeared to be strangled, tortured, and decapitated. Each video mirrored the real-world horror that had gone down in his submarine. which helped investigators understand that Peter's violent sexual fantasies had not only been his motive for the murder, but for the dismemberment as well. From beginning to end, Peter Madsen had carried out something truly inhuman. As news of Peter's arrest and charges made headlines,

police started to gain even more insight into how Peter hid his demons in plain sight for so long. Several people that he used to work with told authorities about how he used to leave those disturbing videos open on his work computer for them to see. But that wasn't all. Some of Peter's former sexual partners also spoke to police and described Peter's forceful interest in sexual asphyxiation. As these details emerged, the case shook the city of Copenhagen to its core. Slowly, everyone who once stood by Peter started backing away,

including his wife, who filed for divorce. Even Peter's brother, who had defended him, said he could never forgive what he did. Peter's loved ones were clearly convinced of his guilt, but there was one final tip that helped prosecutors round out their case. One of Peter's former volunteers said that a saw had recently gone missing from the warehouse, and the authorities believed Peter likely used a saw to dismember Kim's body. So divers returned to the area where they'd found the remains and other clues. Eventually, they spotted the saw and retrieved it.

To the police, this was the final nail in Peter's coffin. But even with all the evidence, the disturbing videos and witness testimony, he still maintained his innocence. I think that oftentimes, especially in situations like these, when someone is adamant in their denial, despite the evidence piling against them, that people assume they are clinically delusional. But that's not necessarily the case. Denial is a defense mechanism that many people have experienced. So when it comes to Peter, I think this is likely more about protecting his ego and maintaining control, which is quite typical in criminal cases. Remember, he was previously willing to give nuggets of truth if it framed him in somewhat of a positive light.

But at this point, if he gave them any more nuggets of truth, it essentially be a confession, which would only confirm to everyone that he was cruel, depraved, and fully responsible. Do you think someone like Peter is more likely to experience a break from reality, or maybe he's building his own version of reality? So there's no way of knowing for sure, because psychosis, which involves delusions, can happen to anyone at any time for a number of different reasons, and it's not always related to a severe mental illness. It can be substance-induced or even related to medical conditions. Even severe stress or trauma can trigger brief psychotic episodes in some people.

What I think is more likely the case here, given his functioning to this point, as well as his age, is that he will bend his reality to suit his ego and protect his self-image. That's a distortion or detachment that's self-serving and not necessarily a break in reality itself in the clinical sense. After that, it wasn't exactly surprising when Peter changed his story again. Sometime in October 2017, about two months after the murder, he admitted to dismembering Kim's body, but he still didn't confess to killing her. In fact, he had yet another new explanation for how that happened. Peter told police that Kim's death could have resulted from inhaling exhaust fumes on the submarine.

He'd completely abandoned his story about the latch that hit her on the head. It was the latest in a series of attempts to frame the situation as a tragic accident, but the explanation didn't hold much weight because no signs of it. carbon monoxide had been detected in the onboard air filter. At this point, investigators seemed to give up on ever getting Peter to admit the truth. And in their eyes, the premeditated nature of Kim's murder was clear. Peter had stalked the Nautilus with a saw, a knife, and plastic bags ahead of time. Then he waited for an opportunity to get a woman alone beneath the water.

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For seven months after Kim Wall's death in 2017, 46-year-old Peter Madsen continued to deny that he had killed her despite mountains of evidence that suggested otherwise. He insisted that she had died accidentally, and that he'd only dismembered her body in order to bury her at sea. But Peter's claims didn't account for why he'd lied about Kim's whereabouts immediately after he returned to land, or why he kept lying about it for two days after his initial arrest. But Peter didn't seem to think that constantly changing his story made him look bad at all,

which might be why when the 47-year-old's trial began in March of 2008. 18, he did it again. On the stand, Peter admitted that he dismembered Kim's body, but he maintained that he did not kill her. As for the 15 stab wounds on Kim's torso, Peter claimed that he inflicted those after she was dead to prevent her body parts from inflating with gas after he tossed them overboard. When questioned about why he lied to police and changed his story so many times, Peter claimed that he wasn't trying to hide anything. He said he was trying to spare Kim's family from the full horror of what really happened and what he had to do to her body. This is a really calculating level of manipulation and he is once again attempting to

frame himself in a sympathetic light. He continues to want people to believe he is selfless or protective, which fits with his pattern this far of needing to control the narrative and how he wants to frame himself. Because even if his claims were true, it doesn't erase the reality of the crime. He admitted to dismembering Kim's body and then stabbing it multiple times to ensure she wouldn't fill up with gas. How is that being sympathetic to the family? There are a number of more respectful ways he could have handled Kim's body if he truly cared about how her parents would feel and if his claims were in fact true. So to me, and I'm sure to everyone listening, this is just more evidence that the person he's interested in protecting is himself. And this is all, once again,

about managing perceptions. If Peter was trying to garner sympathy, all hope for that was about to go out the window. Because next, prosecutors showed the court the disturbing, pornographic content that was found on his computers. There were more than 40 clips of violent but staged death scenes. However, there were also about 100 videos showing actual murders, beheadings, and sexually motivated torture. Upon seeing everything, numerous people in the courtroom were brought to tears. To many, it was unimaginable that someone would have any interest in these kinds of films. In response, Peter's attorneys argued that the videos didn't prove anything about whether he had murdered Kim. But then, prosecutors explained that the...

the videos suggested something even more sinister about Peter. According to them, he didn't just like watching these films. He wanted to make his own. And that was the whole reason he'd lured Kim onto his submarine. As further proof of this theory, they shared anonymous testimony from a woman who claimed that she'd first met Peter by chance in May 2017, just a few months before Kim Wall was killed. Peter had invited the woman onto his submarine, but she declined.

He invited her again, and she declined again. That second invitation came just two days before Kim's murder. In another chilling account, a male witness who had known Peter since the early days of Copenhagen suborbital's, told the court about a conversation they'd had nearly a decade earlier. During that conversation, Peter had casually mentioned that the bay, where Kim's remains were found, was a, quote, good place to hide a body. Another acquaintance backed up the claim, recalling that Peter had also spoken to him

about different methods that could be used for getting rid of a corpse. I touched on this briefly earlier, but it begs repeating. Research and case studies show that individuals with violent sexual fantasies sometimes practice in small ways before committing a crime. And that can look like seeking out violent pornography

or making dark jokes. to test how people will react, or rehearsing scenarios in their mind until they start to feel more real to them. Some even stage opportunities, like inviting people into risky situations or controlled environments, almost like trial runs, which arguably Peter did when he brought the sex worker on his submarine before. Each step thins the barrier between his fantasy and reality. So each of these were small escalations. If Peter was indeed looking for a victim before Kim, that shows intense and persistence. But also, another common pattern emerges. If he had tried with someone else and was unsuccessful, then he targeted Kim because he could exploit her professional interest

in a story as a way to lure her in. And the fact that she had reached out first gave him the opening he needed to frame the encounter as legitimate, making it much harder and less likely for her to say no. What about Peter's offhanded comments to those people? What did they suggest about him as a killer? It's another example of him testing the waters. He's showing how comfortable he is with violent ideas, and that tells us he escalated from fantasizing privately

to testing them in public spaces. It also reflects a lack of empathy because he's so detached from the impact that these kinds of remarks could have on other people, even if he does try to package them as jokes. They still are uncomfortable for most people, to hear. The way the court saw it, Peter's behavior wasn't a coincidence.

It was a pattern. On April 25, 2018, six weeks after his trial began, Peter Madsen's case came to an end. He was convicted on each charge and sentenced to life in prison. In Denmark, a life sentence doesn't mean what it does in the U.S. There, life typically starts as a 12-year term. After that, the sentence can be extended if the person is still considered a danger to society, which would be determined in a parole review. So in theory, Peter could be a free man in the year 2034.

But based on the psychiatric evaluation that Peter underwent in prison, he has a long way to go before convincing anyone he's not a danger to society. Peter was labeled as a narcissistic psychopath, someone with no empathy but full awareness of their actions. The report also made it clear that Peter wasn't delusional or mentally ill in a way that would cloud his judgment. In other words, Peter Madsen knew exactly what he was doing when he killed Kim Wall. I can't speak to how Denmark classifies mental disorders and diagnoses since I have not practiced there. But in the U.S., psychopathy is not a diagnosis. It's considered a construct, and it's used to describe a cluster of effective and interpersonal traits that meet the

threshold of that construct. So a comparable diagnosis here in the U.S. would be antisocial personality disorder with narcissistic traits, and if he had met the criteria for a label of psychopathy, that would also be indicated. So when they described him as a narcissistic psychopath, they were attempting to capture two things, his grandiosity and need for admiration, alongside his lack of empathy, callousness, and manipulativeness. This profile fits not only with Peter's crimes, but with patterns that we've seen throughout his life. In his business ventures, he displayed grandiosity. He was making big promises, needing to feel superior, becoming hostile when criticized. He struggled with collaboration. He dismissed others when they did not fall in line

and consistently put his own vision above the team. And those same traits, entitlement, hostility, and lack of regard for others later emerged in their more extreme and destructive form in his criminal behavior. How do courts weigh psychiatric evaluations when considering sentences and parole? They play a major role in how courts approach both sentencing and parole, but the way their way depends on the legal system and the purpose of the evaluation. They don't guarantee a certain outcome, and the ultimate decision as to what happens next is left to the court to decide regardless of an expert opinion. That being said, judges are not trained in the way experts

are, and they need their input to help interpret whether someone poses an ongoing risk has a treatable condition or shows signs of rehabilitation. And when it comes to the safety of the public, they very strongly consider our input. Peter immediately appealed his sentence, but not the guilty verdict itself. It looked like he was no longer denying what he did. He just didn't want to serve time for it. He was unsuccessful. The court denied his appeal and upheld the original ruling. But even though Peter was behind bars, it didn't put a stop to his desperate need for attention, especially from women. By August of 2018, just a few months after he entered prison, 47-year-old Peter reportedly started a relationship with a female guard at the facility.

Then in December of that year, he suddenly married a woman who'd been sending him letters since his arrest. The relationship was short-lived and ended a few years later. The Peter's biggest post-conviction headline grab came in October of 2020 when he actually tried to escape using a fake pistol and explosives. How exactly he got his hands on those items isn't clear. But in the end, his escape attempt was just another failed venture. Police found him in a nearby residential neighborhood and quickly brought him back to prison. After that, Peter earned another 19 months on his existing sentence. Once again, he proved to be his own worst enemy. To many people, Peter's erratic behavior is a sign that he'll never change, and that even though he cultivated an innovative, rebellious reputation

for decades, he was really nothing more than a common criminal, because he couldn't control his own violent urges, an innocent woman lost her life. And the death of Kim Wall is a huge loss. In many ways, Kim was the kind of person Peter could only ever hope to be. He talked a big game, but all he ever did was hole himself up in his warehouse and never achieved his singular goal of winning Denmark's space race. Kim, on the other hand, traveled all over the world, scoping out interesting stories and shedding light on actual rebellion and innovation. She wasn't afraid to form connections with people,

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