Miss Me? - A Tariffic Time

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver discuss Trump’s tariffs, the new Beatles biopic and the cult of sunbeds.This episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

BBC Sounds music radio podcasts. This episode of Miss Me contains very strong language and some adult themes. Well hello you sexy bitch. What do you mean? I'm not sexy. What is that top? You know what top this is. Right, so it is the original.

It's the top of mine that you lost that I had to buy 10 years later when it finally became available. Shall we describe the top? We can. It is a sort of t-shirt, stretchy t-shirt by Chloe from the 1990s? No. No, maybe like mid 2000s. 2004 Phoebe Filo collection for Chloe.

It's an absolute gem. And it's got a banana print on it. And I lent it to Makita and she lost it. It's a truly iconic piece of fashion history. Yeah, it sure is. And then I was very sad for many years and I had a Google search alert for one that came available in my size and it did eventually and this is it.

That collection's hard to find. Yeah, it is. So I'm so pleased. I'm so pleased that you found something. And I just used your, you are a sexy bitch. I just used your hot water tap, which could only be described as sexy. Like you actually have to do a double tap on it like it's like you're paying for something on the side of your phone.

I couldn't do it. And then Lily went tap it like it's something you're paying for on your phone straight away. I was like, oh, my God. And then this red light comes up and we've been hanging out all day with me in this hot water tap. Never gonna have a cold cup of tea again. That's great.

I'm a big fan of a hot water tap. I love it here, Lily. I really do. Oh, I'm really pleased that you like it there. I think I'm gonna stay tonight. Really? That's why. I've got some people coming around actually.

Oh my goodness. Well, make sure you tidy up after yourselves. I've got Jess people coming around actually. Oh my goodness. Well, make sure you tidy up after yourselves. I've got Jessie's coming around because we're going to Anna Witwam's book party. Oh nice. And Phoebe's coming. Lovely. You're not sleeping in my bed,

you're in Marnie's room, just so you know. Is that that one? Yeah. Okay. Yes, it's been a busy family weekend. I'm sick of the sight of our family. I have to be honest. We've just celebrated the second birthday celebrations for our cousin Theo. Oh, for Theo. How was it?

Yeah, it's good. Good, good, good. Yeah. Just, I just, but also this time he knew, so it wasn't really a surprise. I mean, we just done a surprise for him the week before. So by the time he walked into the party, everyone was like, surprised. No one could be bothered anymore. But it was a really lovely party. Danced our asses off. And I think we're done celebrating Theo now. Now it's all about you. Oh, God.

You're excited about your birthday, aren't you? Not really, to be honest. Not really. Okay, let's not talk about it then. Should we talk about what Trump's up to, just to get a real handle on where politics are today? How far things have got? Yeah, it's an interesting move from Donald Trump.

Yes, it's a new move from Trump and the team over there. Yeah, big tariffs on any imports into the United States. And it's not gone unnoticed by the stock markets. By the stock markets, by the way you say by the world. Yes, no, the stock markets have noticed and responded accordingly. But the way in which he delivered the news was quite iconic. Yeah, it was very playful, wasn't it? It was quite a playful approach. Should we have a listen?

Come on, stick him on. If you look at Switzerland, 61% to 31%, Indonesia, Malaysia, Cambodia, oh look at Cambodia, 97%. We're going to bring it down to 49%. They made a fortune with the United States of America, United Kingdom, 10%. And we'll go 10%. So we'll do the same thing. Well, you know, if he doesn't manage to like change the constitution and get a third term as president of the United States.

He's definitely got a future in either being an auctioneer or a horse race commentator. It's kind of what he sounds like. That would be left field. Malaysia coming up on the inside. It's true. It's actually very specific to horse racing and not football, right? It's got that kind of more like the dun dun dun dun dun dun dun, kind of racing. And a run a run a run a run UK. We've got Singapore with us, Australia, El Salvador. And then there are the worst offenders who are the entire European Union and then China,

Vietnam, Thailand, Japan, with everyone having a sort of different percentage thrown on them. But the problem, not the problem, the worry, I suppose, is that we are heading straight into a world recession. This is what Goldman Sachs have said. They know what they're talking about. There's a 45% risk of a US recession in the next year. So there might be, but there might not be. But they think there's quite a high chance it could be.

Quite high, yeah. 45%, yeah. And I wonder truly, why would Trump want this? Why would he want that mess on his hands? Well, allegedly what he wants to do, you know, not allegedly, what the thought process behind it is that, you know, obviously America imports a lot of goods from abroad. And what Trump is saying he wants to do

is to encourage more manufacturing in the United States and create more jobs. Yes, he says he wants to make America the encourage more manufacturing in the United States and create more jobs. Yes, he says he wants to make America the wealthiest it's ever been. Yeah. But what if it doesn't do that? And it's like, whoopsie! And it goes in the complete opposite direction and turns the world into a recession. At least he tried.

Yeah. And at least he tried. At least he was brave enough to try and do something big. Yeah. then at least he tried. At least he was brave enough to try and do something big. It's an incredible way to perform your politics, isn't it? I feel like that's the part of everything that I'm finding so intriguing. It's got to a place where it's comical to watch. It's terrifying, but it's also comical because it's allowed to be this silly, if that makes sense. There's no one going, hey, that's a really bad way to explain this to the world.

That will look really insincere and you don't care. No one's saying that. He's allowed to kind of perform all these great speeches in any weird way that he wants. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's very panto, isn't it? Yes, panto, that's what I'm trying to say. But it's a little bit like, you know,

what happened in the Oval Office with Zelensky and JD Vance. So it's like one week after the other, and I guess what happens is over a period of time, it just becomes so comedy, and there's so many examples of it that people just don't even pay attention to it anymore. And you become immune to it.

Numb. Numb to it. That's it, that's it. I feel a little numb to it all. I feel the same way about Selena Gomez and Benny Blanco at the moment. What do you mean? I'm so in love with that relationship.

Me too, I'm obsessed with them too, but there's so much content. Oh, what, oh, right. I don't follow either of them. What is every pop? I don't follow anyone on Instagram. I follow my Finster, that's it. Can I say that I didn't realize this

till last week when me and Lily were chatting shit, I suddenly realized that she doesn't follow me on Instagram because you don't follow anyone. I don't follow anyone, but in my for you, it's basically horoscopes and Selena Gomez and Benny Blanco's new relationship. Right. So are they just, is it footage of them out and about a lot or is it them making their own, because they're not, they're too famous

to do that couples posting, where they're like actually acting. No, they've done an album together. So they are, you know, doing promotion for that album, but it's just like, it's just a lot. Yeah, but it's not just that, is it? There is a sort of level of like, not privacy, but like when people want to show you absolutely

everything about their life and their relationship. I was actually talking to Ellie about it today because she didn't put on Instagram that she got engaged and I was like oh that's quite I guess that's quite a decision people make now like whether they're even she was just like it's just embarrassing I don't need anyone to know. So to go to the level of like your entire relationship being played out on Instagram I think it's fine if from afar people see a lot of the shit that you're up to because you're famous. I.e Kylie Jenner and Timothee because like they don't show our shit, we just see them. So I think it's a bit beggy of Selena and Ben and Blanco but I like that they were friends for ages.

No I don't think it's beggy because it's they're you know they're promoting a record that they were friends for ages? No, I don't think it's Beggy because it's, they're promoting a record that they've made together. That's true. It's basically like they're a band, but they happen to be in love with each other. So I don't think it's Beggy. It's interesting though that it's happening while there are all these sort of rumors flying around about the state of Hailey Bieber and Justin Bieber's marriage

because obviously they were, you know, accused of flaunting their relationship while Selena was suffering. And now it's, oh, how the tables have allegedly turned. The other way around. Speaking of Hayley Bieber, I took Ethel to see Kylie Minogue on Friday. Does she know who that is?

At Madison Square Garden. No, she had no idea. She knew maybe can't get you out of my head. I didn't know you went with Lynette. That's the perfect person to go with. Me and Ethel left early because obviously Ethel didn't know any songs. But Lynette stayed on her own for Per Dam. Oh, I would have stayed for Stick A Beat And Move My Body.

Slow. Oh my god, it was so good. Slow was so good. And it was so good. Slow was so good. And it sounded so good still. And I was talking to my friend, Jamie Nelson, came over here last night, who has signed Kylie to Parlophone when I was on Parlophone.

And we were talking about Slow. I brought it up, I was just like, that song is still such a banger. And he was like, it's really interesting because it's one of like the fan favorites but when she released that the album before was six million sales and then slow came out and it was one million it was such a huge depletion in sales but it's like stood the test of time and the video is absolutely amazing for slow but absolutely brilliant. It's so mental that song because it doesn't like really drop.

Oh but just kidding. It does a bit though. It does a bit. It's gonna be the move of my body. Slow. I mean it's actually genius. I wonder who made that? What producer did she work with for Slow?

Dan Carey made it. Okay. Don't know who that is. And Amelia Torini, I think her name is. She was in a sort of like, you know, freedom sex place then. It was like quite European. Padam is that one that goes,

Padam, padam, padam, andam, andam, padam, padam, andam, andam, and Jamie said to me yesterday, he's like, do you like that song? And I was like, I do like it. There's something a bit like Fagin-esque about it.

Cause it's like, oh yes, I know, I feel it in my bones. It's got like a bit of like sort of like folk vibe to it. It's like really reminds me of something. They were absolutely pissing themselves laughing. They were like, oh my God, no, I have not noticed that before. I was like, yeah, that's what it gives. It gives Fagin to me. But some of the greatest pop songs, it sounds like an old folk song.

I told you like the Holly, oh my god, what's her name? Who sang Kiss Kiss? Valance. Valance, thank you. Holly Valance. And there's like, there's like a, I think it's like an Indian folk song or like a Jewish folk song that sounds exactly the same. Yeah.

So if you need to write a hit, get out those playbooks, I say. Anyway, there was a couple that was sat in front of us, two men, lovely men, and Ethel dropped her road lip balm behind- Oh my God, does she have road lip balm? She does, yeah. She dropped her road lip balm down the back of this one person's seat and it was like a real hole-pull-up of trying to get it back. So I didn't want to tell them to get up.

And I was trying to like put my hand down there to try and grab it. She was like panicking because her road lip balms are like her prize possession. And eventually we did get it back. And then I said, oh, can I have some actually? And so did my friend Lynette. And it was awful.

It had like, it was like bitty. Stop. Yeah. And I said to Ethel, what is that? Is it got like bits in it? And she was like, no was like bitty. Stop. Yeah. And I said to Ethel, what is that? Is it got like bits in it? And she was like, no, it just separates. I was like. No, no, no, no.

Cause I've watched the story of Rode. We should just clarify that Rode is Haley Bieber's beauty brand that is incredibly successful in a very short amount of time. And their marketing is on a lot of my mood boards actually. And when it comes to the story of Rode, which you can watch on YouTube, it's about three minutes long,

she has meetings, she has meetings about this separating stuff and they say they solve it. Right, okay. And this shit is bitty, this stuff is everywhere. It's absolutely everywhere. I can't believe a product wouldn't be of a certain level and be everywhere. Because this, the reason I've got my boobs out today,

because I don't really get my boobs out that much, is because I bought a Skims bra. And it actually- Oh, is it the full back one? It's just like the standard push-up bra, I think. But it gave me boobs for the first time in like three years. And I was like, oh my God, I have to do this again. And that's because these bras are actually very well made.

Yes, there are lots of other people making lots of other bras, but Skims, she made sure what is out there is very, very good. You said you've got some Skims as well. This is my first Skims. Good qual. I'm actually not being paid by the Skims team

to say these words. I feel them. I bought some of her leggings with the bum, built in bum. Oh. It looks ridiculous. And also, it's become the focus of much entertainment in this family because like Marnie will go and put them on and come downstairs

with like a huge BBL basically. Hang on a minute. Have they actually put in padding to create a bigger bum? Yeah, it's literally like a whole seat. Like it's enormous. It's crazy that that's like not kind of like inappropriate. I don't even know why it didn't. Well, if you're talking about kind of appropriating

the bodies of black and brown women, I guess that's where it comes in. That's quite fucking inappropriate. That's where it's inappropriate. But you know, I realized, Lil, the lingerie game out in the world is pretty dire. And there's no like, remember we have like agent provocateur in our day.

Well, that's very expensive, but yeah. Yeah, no, exactly. Very expensive, right? But to get like a really basic bra, it's like Marks and Spencers still, which actually isn't very good in its offerings. And there's sort of like not really much about in that kind of sector. And then you have to go really upmarket. I think we might be on something if we did something in lingerie.

I think Kimmy K's got it tied up. I don't know if people are going to come get Lillian McEeta's. No, I mean like lingerie, not like basics, underwear. Right. Good lingerie is really, really hard to find in this country at the moment. I've struggled. Right. But I'm very happy with my new bra and my new boobs.

It's good to have all the gang back together again. What is the weather like in England at the moment? Because it is very grim here. Is it? So grim. Oh my god, it's so nice here. It's like overcast and freezing. Oh my god. And it's really annoying because I'm really like trying to walk the dog like three or

four times a day and it's just like, it's just horrible weather to to do it and I'm just really desperate for the sun to come out. You know what? I might even go and have a sunbed to just have the illusion of sun. That's quite popular now all of a sudden sunbeds, aren't they? because I was thinking about this. There was this time where to be completely ridiculously over tanned by a sunbed was not only very common, but lusted after. And when The Only Way Is Essex, the TV show first came out, that's how everyone looked. This is kind of like what people look like instead of Botox and fillers, I feel. It was like over-tanned, like someone like Jordan, Katie Price, she was always ridiculously over-tanned. I can't, I don't even really think if you not seen it,

you'd understand what I mean. Like people looked ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous all the time. And then that sort of went away, but apparently now Gen Z loves sunbeds. And I remember when sunbeds were huge for us, but I didn't think that I thought they'd fallen out of favor because we all know too much now about the harm that they can do, like quite seriously.

Yeah. And also the self-tanned market got a lot better, didn't it? So people were doing that. Well, when they were first invented in the late 19th century, they were very much made for health benefits and to help you and to give you all the kind of goodness that sun rays give you. Right. Like LED therapy that we use now. Exactly. It was in... Oh, yeah, that was it. They made a Finson lamp, which was a carbon arc lamp that emitted ultraviolet rays.

It won the fucking Nobel Prize. Wow. And then in the 20s, Chanel, Coco Chanel said, the 1929 girl must be tanned. And it became really, really popular and really chic to be tanned. But then like when we were younger, they were like, you know, there's always been health risks to getting a sunbed.

Sunbeds are actually illegal if you're under 17. And I guess that's a sign that they're not particularly good for you if they don't want young children anywhere near them. Yeah, I used to like a sunbed. There used to be a place in Islington that I'd go to like once a week where you did a stand up sunbed. You had to put your hands up like this and put all the stuff all over you. I remember what was that place called? They were everywhere.

It's just called the turning shop. Oh yeah the turning shop. Yes they were everywhere. Yeah I remember the one in Islington. And so much so that like you'd buy a bottle of the of the tan accelerator. Oh yes. You'd buy a bottle of tan accelerator and you'd leave it on the shelf in there with your name on it. What? You didn't take it home with you.

You'd leave it in the tanning shop. You'd be like, ah, see you next week. Oh right, because of the regularity of your visits. Yes, exactly. Right, so you went in like once a week. Because I used to go in Camden when I was living with Nana. I had my first sunbed like 15 and then like all the Turkish beauty shops in Doulston have sunbeds and you can do like nine minutes for like £2.50.

So I used to go in and get a little like pick me up. So it's actually see all this talks making me want to get a sunbed. I just don't think it's you know,, it's a slippery slope, isn't it? Because you'll do one and then you'll be like, oh yeah, it gives me a nice little glow. And then you'll be like, you know, going every week and then you'll get skin cancer and die. Yeah, they get quite addictive. They get quite addictive. That's just a little bit of advice from us to the younger generation who are just discovering

just the beginning of their sunbed journey. I don't know if I even really like the tanned look anymore I sort of feel like you know when you get to a certain age, you're not you're thinking about like preservation rather than Acceleration and sun sun rays, you know, I have a lot of SPF on my face. Oh my god I'm so bad at this but I do I put olive oil on in the sun, on my face. I know. I know. I, like, do not have any skin protection in place at all.

And I've just started burning for the first time in my life. Yeah, that'll be the olive oil, babe. I think you should stop doing that. I don't know, I don't want to give advice because I don't know about having, you know... No, do you know what? I started burning after I started to get to know my Scottish family more. Suddenly I was like burning like a white person when we were in Barbados working. Oh, I'm halfway. I forgot. And then suddenly you're burning.

It was like the universe knew. And suddenly I was like a ginger person burning really easily. That happens to me now. So anyway, I've just started SPF now, but Simon Amstel wears like massive sun hats when we go away and has like a little sun umbrella and stuff like he will not. He's never let his face be in the sun since I think he was 18. Is that because he's vain or because he burns? Vain. Wow. He's like sun on your skin is insane.

So this is how you preserve your skin. But you look so good tanned, Lily. You go like Italian. It's funny because I mean, I remember when I was younger, I could lie out in the sun for hours. And now, like after like 15 minutes, I'm like, I'm going back to bed. I know. I know what you mean. It's a bit exhausting, isn't it?

Yeah, I'm just like, I can't handle this. But maybe that's just because of global warming. Maybe it's just got too hot. Don't think the sun's hotter, actually. No, the sun could definitely be hotter. Do you think that's why they're jealous of us? The Gen Zs? They're jealous of our like, preserved beautiful skin? No. They're probably more jealous of us because once the boomers die, all of that money comes trickling down to us, not them. So I think that's why they're jealous.

Anyway, I don't want to come down on wonderful young people, but maybe I will cuss them out because apparently these are the words they think our generations say. And I'm like, fuck you. The boy did good followed by extravagant picture of a gesture from said boy. I would never post something like that. I hate the boy did good. I don't think I've ever posted the boy did good. Girl boss, I would never call myself that grim

Fry yay, I also hate no Right right yay, please The things that I don't like that Gen Z say is hey guys. Hey guys kills me It kills a very special part of my soul every time and I think it's because it's... What do you mean? In what context? When they get to the pub or like... No, no, no. Or at the beginning of a video.

At the beginning of a video. This is purely online behaviour. Hi guys. Hi guys. Hey guys. My audience. Swiftly followed by... Exactly. It's very hi my audience. And it's just like, yeah, I guess we all do have an audience, but should we really be presenting to them as we walk to the bus stop?

Well, I would say the difference between Gen Z and our generation is that there is an amount of embarrassment and shame from our generation. So our generation would frame it. They'd be like, hi, just wanted to, so many of you have been asking. So I just thought I would show you my skin routine. It's like, nobody asked. No one asked. So over explaining. Yeah. Right. Okay. Whereas Gen Z just like balls out like, hi guys, just

walking with dogs. Yeah, exactly. Just like, had a little thought. It's like, no, you didn't have a thought. You wrote this like while you were like planning your weekly content. Like you would meal prep your you do content prep on a Sunday night and this is your second second job. And it's probably even in your phone is like, you know, second drop of content while walking dogs. fucking ducks. Like in the diary, it is in the fucking diary. But you know what, what's really embarrassing is when people are, and I don't want to bring this lady out because I've never met her, but just came up on my feed and it was her and her husband.

And it was like, when your husband something something. And I thought that they just put up loads of natural videos of them doing this thing. And I suddenly realized they were like, acting out these skits on their sofa. I was just like, come the fuck on. Like we're grownups. Like, is that really how you spend your time with your partner? Like skits for your audience.

No, it's not, but it's how they've, you know, figured it out that they're getting the most engagement from content. Yeah, but what, for what? Engagement for what? Sponsorship like whatever ads, I don't know. They're not getting paid for those videos. I bet they are.

Okay. I bet they are. I fucking know that. You saw them on Instagram, but when you post on TikTok, you get money. Right, okay. For content. So.

So it's over then. I don't think they'd be doing it for nothing. I'm not, not for long. Coming down on their love and their lovely relationship. I just, I they'd be doing it for nothing. I'm not coming down on their love and their lovely relationship. I just thought that it's just something I would really never ever want to do with a partner to make money. Yeah, I hear you dog. Keep it offline. Well, I'm gonna have a little break. I'm gonna go stand on your balcony because it's so beautiful and I've got some plant stuff So beautiful. And I've got some plant stuff arriving. So exciting.

So exciting. I'll see you after the break, my darling. I'll see you then. Did we even say welcome to Miss Me? Let's remember that, you know, there's structure here. There is something going on here. Welcome back to Miss Me, the podcast that me and Lily do together. Welcome back to Miss Me.

That's right. We sit here and we talk to each other and sometimes we even call each other again in the week and do it all over again. But we did it with Ethel this week. That was really nice. Did we? Yeah, we were chatting shit and Ethel was in and out. I was like, oh, she's starting to be a bit more like, I'm not maybe I'm a bit interested in what you and Auntie Keith's talking about. She seemed like she actually was a bit interested in us for once.

Yeah, they're very funny at the moment. It was nice. So the Beatles are I was going to say the Beatles are back. No, that's not. That was about some bits. The Beatles film that we've all been waiting for is finally being made. Another musical biopic. What we had thus far, we've had the Bob Dylan one. We've had the Amy one.

I saw that Zendaya is also playing Ronny Spector in a new one. Yes. great casting. Yeah. But this is Sam Mendes and he did this quite exciting unveiling, which I liked. And he had like all the boys that are playing the boys. We've got Fitty Fitfit, Harris Dickinson on John Lennon.

Yeah. Barry Kiorgen. Barry Kiyo- Kiyogen. Barry Kiyogen. Kiyogen. Kiyogen is, is he Ringo? Did they Ringo him? Yeah, Ringo. He's been Ringoed.

Paul Mescal as Paul McCartney, same initials. It's basically the same name. That's gonna go off, isn't it? That is actually gonna be a total thing. And then someone, I'm sorry, who's not as beautiful as George Harrison playing George Harrison. George Harrison is so beautiful. Who is it? Joseph Quinn. Joe Quinn. Do you know this Joe Quinn? Let me check. Maybe he

is handsome. Hang on. He is quite handsome. I was watching this on, on Monty Don's gardens. They go to George Harrison's garden. Oh my god. Oh my god. Yeah, but that's a goodie. It's really goodie. Oh no, my mistake. He's lovely looking. Yeah, he'll do. He'll be fine. But it's a big push for cinema and I feel like every time someone puts out a big film they have to sort of also have this additional really big reason why they're even bothering to make a film. And Sam Mendes was quite good. He said that we need big cinematic events

to get people out of the house. So they're actually releasing. Four films. Four films that will all start to be released in three years. So to start building hype now is pretty ballsy. I don't think that that will get people out of the house. I think people will wait for it all to go to streaming and we'll binge them all on a weekend.

I guess they'll come out in, they're doing doubles because I watched Wicked finally, and at the end it was like to be continued and someone was like, yeah, the next one's out in a few months. I was like, oh, very clever, very clever. So I think that was, I think the way Wicked have done it, but four films, are

the Beatles that interesting? Well we're about to find out and they're all from each film obviously is from a different person's perspective. I wonder if it covers the same period of time from the different person's perspective. Probably and then they'll kind of admit I'm trying to write an anthology series at the moment it's quite difficult figuring out like when you're gonna, what time you wanna start and how you jump and how you don't confuse people, but how you don't bore people with the same sort of,

from this time to that time. But if anyone can do it, it's Mendez. It's Mendez. It's Sam, who actually, I had a Desert Island Discs with him. It was very good, his Desert Island Discs. And he was a theatre director, obviously. And when he directed American Beauty, which goes on to win like nine Oscars, including best film and best director for him, he had never directed a film

and actually didn't know what to do on his first day on set and had to like ask the DOP really quietly, like, when do I say action? And he was like, you just like, get everyone in place, get the set quiet and then say action. Talk about like, if you put your mind to anything, you can do it. I mean, American Beauty is the most incredible piece of cinema, I watched it recently, such a great story.

It looked like nothing. The Alan Ball script was fucking fantastic. The music was just so excellent. And it was like this atmospheric film that came out of nowhere and just did all these great things. I really love Sam Mendes. I love the work he makes. You liar, Makita. It wasn't nine Oscars.

They won five Oscars. It was actually five Oscars. Why are you lying for? Why are you trying to big up Sam? Your mate Sam, yeah? Like you know Sam. Well, you think he's going Sam? You're mate Sam yeah? Like you know Sam. Well you think he's gonna cast you in something yeah? What if you just like add a few more Oscars onto his life? No I just want to be like friends. I just want to have dinner with Sam Mendes. You do? Okay. So yeah, four films not being released for three bloody years so we've got quite a way on our hands. It's gonna take

them quite a while to make them all. Yes, it is going to take a while. But I am very into a biographical picture. I loved the Bob Marley one. What other ones do we have? We had Freddie Macri. We had Elton John. Yeah, that one's all right. We had Amy. Any other women? No, but they're doing the Madonna one.

And I think that the casting is so great. Julia Garner, you know, from Ozark. I thought that she didn't get it. I thought that she, I thought that that felt, that one fell apart. I think it's in a bit of disarray, but I think it's still on the cards to be happening. Because she is perfect for it. She's so, isn't that great casting? Like just with the, even like the face.

Perfect. I need good casting in my biographical pictures. Isn't that great casting? Like just with even like the face, perfect. I need good casting in my biographical pictures. I watched Chaplin recently, which is the Charlie Chaplin film with Robert Downey Jr. Brilliant 90s film. And he's just, it's just so perfect. You do need them to look like the person. For me, I do.

Well, that's some excellent casting. Meryl Streep playing Joni Mitchell as an older woman and they're still casting for the younger. Who would you put in the role? I feel like didn't Amanda Seyfried just do, she did a bit on one of those late night shows where she came. What did she play a Joni Mitchell song on a late night American show? Yeah, she had some weird musical instrument that's really hard to play that she's learned that Joni Mitchell played and she sang a Joni Mitchell song and it was pretty incredible. And everyone was like, give her the, you know, give her the role, give her the role.

But she's saying that it didn't have anything to do with that. But I think her face might be a bit too round. Joni Mitchell's like quite like chiseled, like clipped face. Birdy, isn't she? Bird-like, exactly. Amanda Saferi's got a lovely sort of froggy face. Really, in a really nice way. Who would you cast as Joni Mitchell?

I have, don't have an answer for that. Maybe like Sadie Sink? Again, a bit too round. Like who's got a pointy nose? Maybe Hunter Schafer? Oh, that's quite a good shout. That's quite good. I'm quite proud of that.

We'll leave it there. Quite proud of that. Do you know who I thought would play? And I feel like maybe someone else has picked this up, but do you know Sophie Turner from Game of Thrones? Yeah. I think she'd play, I think she'd be a really good boy George. Yes, very good.

Good. She really would, actually. Yeah, she'd make a great boy George. But they did the boy George, well, they did a BBC film. It was very good with, uh, it was called Mad About the Boy a BBC film. It was very good with it was called mad about the boy I think it was very good. It was a Douglas What's that like really? He everyone fancied him. Yes. I never fancied him. He did that. He did that pretty well

So is that how we end this today's miss me Douglas booth? Yeah. Yeah Right. Remember Douglas booth Well, it's been lovely. It's just been lovely to shoot the shit with you once more. Well, you know what's gonna cheer us up? Talking about tax on Monday. So now we got slightly less questions this week about tax. But I think it's fine because this is actually what I've realized because I don't know anything about tax. I think Lily knows a bit more but maybe not. I know I really don't. Right, so what we're going to do is using the questions we've got, we're just going to use this to educate

each other about tax and we'll try and make it not as boring as school but it won't remind you of anything in school because they don't teach us about tax in school, which is why me and Lily have had to step in and become educators for the country. So that's why we're doing tax if anyone's got a fucking problem. With having absolutely no knowledge, neither of us having filled out a self-assessment tax return since the... Ever. That would be never for me. And I went bankrupt. So I'll be your teacher.

We'll be your teachers in next week's lesson of Listen Bitch. Tax is the thing. We'll see you then. Bye. Bye. Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver. This is a Persephoneca production for BBC Sounds. I'm Joanna Page. I'm Natalie Cassidy. And we want to tell you all about our podcast. Off the Tele.

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Everything's cracking. It's definitely the place for what's occurring. Oh,acking, we always say cracking now. Really? Everything's cracking. It's definitely the place for what's occurring. Oh Jo, you do that so well. Off the tally. Listen to all new episodes on BBC Sounds.