Miss Me? - Casual Cultural Reset

Episode Date: January 1, 2026

Lily Allen & Jade Thirlwall join Miquita Oliver & Jordan Stephens to reflect on where they’re at in life and love right now, and what’s next. This episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Natalie Jamieson Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Rose Wilcox Executive Producer: Dino Sofos Commissioning Producer for BBC: Jake Williams Commissioners: Dylan Haskins & Lorraine Okuefuna Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This is Miss Me and I'm Makita Oliver I'm Jordan Stevens I'm Lily Allen And I'm cheered This episode of Miss Me May contain very strong language You can't laugh at a Georgie accent That's actually

You can't, it has to be real It's also a trigger warning So we can't laugh You put on, you amplified the Georgie Because it's a statement Can you say strong accent Rather than strong language This episode of Miss me

May contain very strong language and adult themes. Wow, that beautiful. How are you, man? Hello and welcome to Miss Me. Welcome to Miss Me. It's Bloody Miss Me. It's New Year's Day special.

It's Bloody Miss Me. It's Miss Me 26. Wow. Wow. Oh my God. Hello. Lily in my time. That is fantastic.

Okay, wait a minute. Are we saying wow about the fact that Lily's here, or I was saying everyone's room looks nice? Well, I'm just gagged at Lily in my T-shirt. It's the T-shirt Kee-Shirt. Oh, yeah, yeah. Bought from the merch store, myself. You actually bought it.

A cued. Akewed. Did you actually? Wow. Thank you. My pleasure. True Stan. That's real.

I am a true Stan. It's lovely to have everyone here for the first day of 2020 bloody six. Yeah. Happy New Year, everyone. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. We've had a great Christmas and now it's the New Year, first day of 20206. Happy New Year.

Oh my God, I feel like I'm in the Big Brother House. Look at this chair though. I just said it is Lillian Big Brother. This is the vibe it's given. I mean, I am. Generally, I am in Big Brother, but here we are. Now I look like it. This is actually my chair in my house.

I'd never noticed it to be so Big Brother-like before. It's because it's never been in front of like a red curtain before. It's taking it to Big Brother Town. We've both got orange chairs, actually. Jade is the only person that hasn't done Miss Me before. Yes. She had a brief appearance. Yes.

Yes, and January last year in Kenya when it was... No, and again, there was twice. Oh, yeah. I've done cameos, but this is my first sort of special. appearance. I'm very happy to be here, actually. I wanted to ask actually where we started to miss me. I was a bit worried that you might be a bit worried about how much Jordan was going to start talking about certain like private things. I was like, should we check with Jade that she's okay about this?

Because Lily, when we did, it was quite happy to just be quite open. That worked out well for me. Excuse me. That worked out. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. bit. Yeah. Jayd, how has it been for you? Jordan and me talking about, you know, we talk quite a lot of stuff. Have I said anything that? Um, well, just like orgasms and masturbation, mainly the sex stuff. Do you know what? It's honestly just to be expected with Jordan. It's nothing,

it doesn't surprise me. I'm, I'm always ready for Jordan and just word vomit too much information. Wait, wait, wait. So, got it. But we, it wouldn't be anything we wouldn't talk about. No, we are quite open books, but sometimes you'll come up. come in and you'll be like, oh, it's all right. I said this in an interview, I'm just like, yeah, whatever. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, whatever. Sometimes, by the way, Jay's literally been there and approved it in the process

and I've still got loads of stick from my fans. But I think I've been pretty, I've been moderate. No, you do ask afterwards, and nine times out of ten, I'm not really that bothered, to be honest. Good. That's good, because I feel like we've really gone in. But let's be completely honest. Last year was a pretty big year for everyone in this convivial.

circle these three rooms and um i think we should reflect i think we should reflect a little bit okay just a little bit of reflection who wants to go first in their reflecting session should we start with jade reflection yeah jadie how was last year for you it was quite intense last year was very intense i felt like it started as like a baby snowball and it just kept um like going and going and sometimes I couldn't keep up with it but it was nice to like finish the year and have a little bit of time to reflect and be like oh my gosh that was an amazing year

sometimes when you're in the thick of it Lily you'll know this for promo and stuff it's so hard to like gauge how things are going or yeah it's hard to just take a minute to breathe and understand like how proud you should be of yourself so yeah when we were in Kenya and you were just gearing up for like this crazy big year and it felt like you were kind of

ready, though. It did feel like you were kind of ready, but I guess no one can be ready. I was gagging for it, yeah. You were gagging for it is why I mean, gagging for it. Always, you always wish for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I really was. You wish for it and then it hits sometimes

and you're like, this is a lot. Yeah, and then we were all gagged. We were gagged. I was gagging, you were gagged. It's one big gaggery. I was crying, throwing up. Screaming, gagged. She ate. She ate. No crumbs were left. Exactly. Zero crumbs. All thoseisms. Zero crumbs were left. Zero crumbs. Tell me what you. No, I'm actually really, I'm really excited, Lil, how much you love Jade's album and just have played it nonstop. Oh, it's all I've listened to. People keep saying to me in interviews, they're like, so what are you listening to? I'm like, just Jade. Just Jade.

I love that. What an honor. Papa. My kids were so excited at the recent drop, church. in the car, it goes off. Oh, do they like church, yeah. Love church. Banga! At first they thought it was a bit weird. Fair.

They were like, this is strange. And I was like, yeah, but you give it a couple of listens, girls, and you're going to get into it. It is strange. Lyrically or beatwise? No, I think like the, like, funny noises, you know, like the, like kind of, yeah, they were a bit like, because they're not really of that time, you know?

They don't understand it, but they're getting, um... Yes, yeah. They're learning from you. you, Jade. They're learning. They're getting taught. But don't you think the strangeness is kind of what's propelled it a bit, Jade? I think so. I just feel like it needed that. Yeah, I agree. I think, I don't think I'm a first listen artist.

Like, I think... I just disagree wholeheartedly. Really? For me, you're a first listen artist, for sure. Well, I think I like weirding people out. I like people listening to my music and were like, I'm feeling a bit sort of... disorientated or like it's a bit too much

and then they have to listen again and dissect it or like really listen to the lyrics or pick it apart. I quite enjoy that. You love an Easter egg? I love an Easter egg, yeah. The American gaze, I will say, Jade, are living. Do you know what? I know that because the bit of promo that I did in New York

and, you know, it's hard for me to tell, obviously, I'm not always there, but I went there and I was doing one of those, you know, those things where someone run up to you in the street and ask you like a question. It's like the new thing that all the TikTok that's are doing. With the tiny little mic. Yeah, with the tiny little mic.

And I was in like a park in New York. And like every other runner was gay. And every time the round passed, I'm like, Jade, I love you. I love your work. And they just kept running past. Like, I love you. All the gay joggers and I thought, I've made it. No, people kept asking me when I was in New York last week, they were like, do you know, do you know, Jay.

No way. Do you know her? I'm like, yes, I do. And she is a legend living in our times. Oh, wow. That's good to know. But when it comes to America, it does still have that. Because Lil even said to me this week, she was like,

fuck, I'm not getting really famous in America and it's actually quite intense. Yeah, I bet. Is that scary? It is a bit scary. Yeah, it is a bit scary. How are you feeling, Lil? Uh, I wouldn't say I'm scared. Like, you know, how do you feel about it?

I live for the attention. I mean, I suppose that, like, because I lived in America for, six years, or five years, sorry. You know, nobody knew who I was there when I lived there. And it was quite nice to when things felt like they were getting a little bit on top here, that I could leave and go to New York and it felt like, you know, quite safe in that sense. I'm not saying that it feels unsafe now. Like, I can definitely walk down the street and be fine.

I'm not Lady Gaga, but... No, but can we tell the American Apparel story? Yeah, we can. Okay, so... I thought that was a real sign of success. No, it was. I mean, it was. I was absolutely like flummoxed and like, okay.

So I went to Los Angeles Apparel, which is a store that is in America, newly open. And I think it's like a sort of rebranded or the new version of American Apparel. And they got this huge store on Broadway in New York. And I went in there and I was like, you know, this is about on my... month ago and I was like, oh my kids are going to die when they come here. It's like all like everything is their cut and the colors that they want and blah blah blah. And also they do like

extra extra small and they're like, you know, tiny but they want to wear big people clothes that they don't really fit into. So it's like that thing of making feel like grown else. Anyway, I was very excited. So I just, they had trolleys. So I was just like piling the stuff into the trolley like for their Christmas presents basically. And then I was standing by the lingerie and, smile my song from 2006 came on and I know yeah yeah and I audibly like screamed like not out of excitement but out of embarrassment because I'm like this is horrendous and also like no one could no one in the shop like understands why I'm like freaking out and anyway I was sort of like cowering and then this woman came over she was like I'm really really sorry um it's automated so I can't

I can't even turn it off, but clearly you're uncomfortable. I was like, no, no, no, it's fine. It's only two minutes and ten seconds to go. And anyway, so then I get to the payment point. And she was like, do you have your email? And I was like, what do you mean? She was like, oh, I assumed that you had an email. That's why you're here.

I was like, no. She was like, oh, because we had Addison Ray in a couple of days ago because she got sent the email. And I was like, oh, no, I haven't had any email. And she was like, give me a second. She rang all of the clothes up and it came to like over $1,000, right? Which is crazy. And then handed me the bag and I was like, I haven't paid. And she was like, don't worry about it.

And I looked on the receipt and it said Lily Allen discount 100%. Wow. Yeah, Lily Allen discount 100%. For our fit rides again. I was like, I have made it. It's an LA apparel. That's Lily Allen apparel. How, now.

Wow. You have needed it. I've made it. That is the, I've made it shit. I'm sorry, but it is. I was like, in big America. Okay. In big America.

In big America. I get that a lot in Greggs, actually. Really? She gets that in Greggs. Yeah, if I get a pasty, they're like, do you know what, this one's on me? And I'm like, ah. You've done enough work cross already.

Are you the king in Gregg's, Jade? I think I am. The king of Greg's. Actually, Gregg's is Newcastle, though, isn't it? It's from Newcastle. Yeah, I think. I'm pretty sure our high street has the most number of Gregg's.

On a single high street. On a single high street, which is both amazing and quite scary because the seagulls there are crazy. They swooped down. Greg's addicts. Yeah, the seagulls are literally addicted.

Greg addicts. You can be walking out the shop with your sausage oil. You get robbed by a seagull, brother. They're on smoke. Yeah, but I don't get scared of that. Um, Jordan, what about... Let's talk to Jordan.

Jordan's here. Hello. Made his debut on the stage. Oh, I did. Come on. Fucking hell yeah. Yeah, man. Fuck me.

That was like a fever dream that. I know. It is like it didn't happen. Yeah, Lil, I don't know about this second, third vibe that you've been on. I'm very happy I did the play. and I learned a lot about myself but fuck me was that hard that was really hard.

Yeah, it's tough, isn't it? I got really, really disproportionately affected by the fact I couldn't interact with the audience. It really stayed with me the whole way through. I actually even went back on medication to deal with it because I was seriously overstimilarate.

No one was, I couldn't like put it, I couldn't explain that rationally because everyone else had done like 50 plays. So I was like, guys, I can't handle it. I can't handle the noises. And they're like, Was it that you couldn't break the fourth wall? Yeah, it was just the fact that I was trapped in this play.

I couldn't adjust to either the specific audience or even people direct, I was literally trying not to look at or the sounds or. Right, yeah. And sometimes there was like odd things like one night, the normal lighting guy had a day off, an N.A., I think I call it, someone came in and didn't know how much haze to put into the play.

And the difference in haze through my entire, the entire performance because it changed the lighting it changed like the ability to or who I could see in the crowd it was wild and I kept saying to everyone

like can nobody see that this is full of haze and they're like no no no they just get on with it or everyone else just got on with it but that comes of time I guess like get hardened did you enjoy it overall

not really people had said and you had said to me obviously there were some some performances that were like wow that was like you get really high off that you know just everything worked everyone's bouncing off each other

like it that was great Yeah, but you were also quite often saying Like I've never actually been this tired in my life Like you were kind of walking dead a little bit It was quite zombie You were surprised at the play when you saw it Because I was coming and doing Miss Me

And you didn't realise how physical it was Yeah, I was doing like I didn't know there was a Kylie Minogue Skip a beat and move to my valley drop That was my favourite part That was so good That's actually Jane's favourite song That's my favourite Kylie song

Yeah, sorry Kylie song Sort of see Jordan sort of ride around the stage in a leather. In leathers. In levers was... That was like a fever dream, actually. That was your feeling. Would you like him to do that for you at home?

You've never done that, actually. What, arrived around for you in leather? Yeah, no. I can do leather. Dancing to Kylie. Watch this space. You're a grey juggler girl. You're part of the gang.

You know, you know. Anyway. Who me? Yeah. Or everyone. Well, no, that's the thing in it. That's being slaggy for a man and it's to stick off from grey chackers. Yeah, I'm not mad at a great jogger.

It's very basic, but I... This is what it is, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Can I say, though, that I will say this year has, I think, maybe been the busiest year of my life, you know? Really? Yeah, because obviously with Rizzle kicks, I would assume,

oh, you know, it blew up and I'm running around the UK. But actually, the difference in things I've been doing has been exhausting. Because it's like my book, Rizzle Kicks, The Play. I did my first documentary as well this year about extortion. Yeah. And, you know, at one point thought I was going to do like, documentary on jade's career which was which lasted about a couple of months but yeah oh no actually i've been filming sorry i have filmed sorry that's a lie i've actually got like yeah you've done

three or four years of footage yeah what you were going to document jade's journey yeah hmm interesting but i'm just saying all these things like there it's all the cogs are turning um okay well lily what about you you haven't been that busy though you've been pretty fucking lazy let's be honest i've done quite a lot actually this year you know i've finished an album I got a boob job I had a nervous breakdown I went into hospital I came out

I did some podcasting for a while then I played one of the hardest tracks in theatre and killed myself every night for seven weeks do you say one of the hardest tracks what do you mean? Well that's what people I played Hedah Gaubleer

who is a female character and they say it's one of the hardest I'm not saying that I did it particularly well but it is famously one of the hardest roles to play as a female this is what everyone was saying when Lil took the role and I was like really

because you're quite tired at the moment and a little fragile. I am a little bit tired so yeah I did that and then dropped the little album Cultural Reset Proper it was just a little cultural reset Lies were changed

just a casual cultural reset that's it but do you know what I was thinking Keats that this time last year we did the Christmas podcast and the New Year's podcast from when I was in Los Angeles you remember I was wearing the antlers and everything were you making the album

and that's when I was secretly recording my album and I remember I told everyone I was there recording a musical I know and I was secretly recording my album and God what a year what a year what a year I mean it's what jay was talking about earlier it's like just no matter how much it's interesting

because little you weren't really in that Lily wasn't really in that place of like give me great success did it I think we were in more of a survival let me get through this kind of energy or how's it been different for you because you weren't sort of I don't even think you were kind of prepared for this

no I wasn't I don't really know what I thought was going to happen to be honest I wasn't anticipating I mean everyone I played it to was like this is going to be big like get ready and I was like I don't know I feel like my last album was really good

and it didn't do very well so I was quite you know I kind of made peace with the fact that like commercial success isn't everything like if you're happy with your creative input and you believe in it then that is I wouldn't say that I was like disappointed

with what happened with no shame my last album because I'm really proud of it as a body of work and I really enjoyed myself on that tour and I loved it I loved it for what it was is one of my favorite pieces of work and so I was fully just like anticipating the same thing happening again but something completely different happened and in contrast to jade where you're you know saying that you're exhausted from promo I did four interviews around the whole thing so I didn't do really any promo I did like a couple of shoots like a month or two before it came out and then did a couple of things afterwards.

I did a CBS Morning's interview. Yeah, I saw that. That was so big and real. But that's not to say that it wasn't exhausting because I was basically just lying in bed in my hotel rooms wherever I was, just watching people's reactions to it on TikTok for like weeks. No, fuck. You were supposed to be banned from the internet, Lily, and you know it.

Yes, I know. And you know it. It's addictive, it is, though. Yeah, but then, when I put the album out, I was told by my digital team, like, you know, we need you to get on it. And so... Oh, that's consider it.

I'm not glad I did. It was fucking funny. And I really loved it. No, great. No, it's worked out perfectly. That's great. That's like ultimate validation. And it was good for the...

It was good for the ego, but it was very, very overstimulating. Like, from having not really stared at my phone to just, like, literally... I think I've actually got... like an issue with my neck because I've just been like this basically for like six weeks.

Oh my God. Yeah, I couldn't be happier. I couldn't be happier with the results. It's so great. And I have sold a lot of tickets to some tours that I'm going to do next year. Yes, upgraded. I saw that.

You're touring this year though, aren't you, Jade? I'm touring in the US, which is the first time I've been able, well, it's my first time. Sold those tickets quick, by the way, in America. Yes, of course. The people involved. Let's be real.

Yeah, I think there was a level of like underestimation. Let's try a little. Yeah, I think live in general, even with the UK tour. Oh yeah, they did that too. So it was nice to be like, well, actually, yeah, it's doing well. Yeah, fuck you. Yeah, fuck you. Sold out.

So yeah, and obviously, Lily, I saw you, not sure, too, and then you had upgrade and everything. And I think it's the era of the pop girls, yeah. Yeah, when you've got to start, when everything just starts going, this feels all quite new, but just like, watching things go from like this, then suddenly it's this, and then suddenly it's this. Also, can I just talk to you about some other child slang? Don't say six seven, please. I beg you don't say six seven.

Yes, six, seven. I can't do this again. What do you mean you can't do this again? I thought it was six, seven, she ate, but it's got nothing to do with that. That's what I thought as well. Did you? That's smart, though. I thought it was like, what's six, seven, you eight.

Six seven, you eight. But apparently that's really uncool that we think that. And then I actually think I've even said that in an interview, right? And then I'm going to be really embarrassed when it's not. What's the real thing? It's to do with like a football, it's a basketball player. It's like, it's a trend from... Yeah, but I think the real thing is that they like that we don't get it.

Yeah, so they just say it. What, Americans? No. Not all kids. It started in America. Oh, young people. Yeah, my niece and nephew say it all the time. It's so annoying.

Six, seven. Six, seven. Apparently they had to take something off the menu in McDonald's. that was like called six, like it was 67 cents or something because all the kids kept coming in going 6.7. Yeah, yeah, all of that. They've banned it in school.

How can you even implement that ban on two numbers? How are they doing maths without six and without seven? You can't remove numbers from the curriculum because it's gone off on Instagram. Lily? Yes. Can we talk about what it's actually like when something catches fire?

Because I don't think people will ever... think of the name, Madeleine, without thinking of you, ever again. That's quite a big thing to do. It's quite weird when something just changes the way something is seen for absolutely ever. Yes. My favourite is the gunshots in Madeline. Yeah, it's so cool. Lie to me, babe, and I'll end you.

Love it. So the production across the whole album is so cool. Oh, thank you, my love. I love it all. That is by my face. I love that you dressed as Madeline, because I thought not many people knew about that movie, actually, that kid's movie.

So when you dressed as that Halloween, I was like, she gets it. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God, that was such a nice touch. You're so right, Jade. It was shitty week for you, if you're called Madeline, though, that album release week. Shitty week for you. Yeah, proper shit.

No, it depends on you take it. Some people are just like the light attention. But, like, Madeline sounds like a bit nostalgic, but different enough to, like, stand out. Do you know what I mean? Also, she's just Madeline, Madeline. No, but I don't think Maddie's

I feel like they've been put on a map It's not like Karen yet, it might be If people start using it colloquially And say like you're a bit of a Madlin, isn't you? Oh my God, that's going to happen. Oh, dear. It's going to become colloquial because you can be like,

what are you some kind of Madeline? Homewrecker. Is he maddlinging? But that's what I mean. There's nothing more powerful. You're like, you're like Hoover. The Karen's are fucked, bro. I've met like three Karans.

You can see it in their eyes. They're just a bit gutted. It's like Becky with a good hair. Becky with a good hair. Becky's, Disrespected worldwide. Yeah, yeah. Beckys were fucked.

Shit, it's the new Becky. Fuck a duck. That's good. Bravo. But don't you think it's nice when you do something that is so big

it almost becomes like a verb? Yes, it's the drill. That's unreal. It's like when, I remember when, when, it's slightly different, but when Jordan Pill brought out, get out the film,

like the fact that it refrains, like literally an entire social discourse for the next. three or four years when people explaining like race relations. And what the sunken place is? The sunken place. People are like, yeah, seen that. You're in that.

The sunken place, yeah. So wait, what do they say the sunken places like when you go to the underworld? Have you not seen it out? Yeah, of course I have. But like, how do they relate that sunken place to life? When somebody is like under the spell of the system that's essentially oppressing them. Oh, God, that's good. Yeah, that's very good.

Yeah. Can I say one more? Can I throw one more thing in? I forgot. We should say about our last year, we both did Glass and Breaston. man oh yes oh yeah we should see that was like that was fucking wild and just to do it the same year crazy so i just want to try that in okay bye i also did a little appearance at glastonbury that's three of us this year yeah i did a little um little dance on the drum and bass

i did a shy effects appearance how did i don't know that either and and um and uh my dad was there so i'm part of this garfield was there godfield was there anyway should we have a break Should we have a break? Welcome back, everyone. Lily, I've got a question for you. You still online? Chronically, babe, chronically. Lily, I thought you were actually quite good with text

when you're on your internet ban. Just throughout there. Okay, that's good to know. I think I am going to go into an internet ban because the content is running dry now. So I don't. Do you think? Well, it's not really running dry, but, like, there was a point in time where it was just, like, I would just, like, sit on TikTok for, like, six hours until I had literally run it dry.

And then I would just move on to the next platform. And then I would forget that, like, oh, there's substack. I can go and, like, read intellectual takes on my record. And then I would read that for, like, a day. Oh, my God. And then I would move on to something out. Like, I was just going from platform to platform looking at all of the content. Twitter is the worst.

Digital drugs, baby. Twitter is hell. Digital drugs. Hell. But this is so interesting because as someone who's not you, seeing all that, I found it overwhelming. What actually is it to feel when the whole world is talking about you? I think that must be very strange.

Well, first of all, I don't know if that's true because obviously TikTok and anything meta-related picks up on your interests on your algorithm. So obviously, if you're listening to yourself, it just feeds me more videos of myself. So I'm convinced that, like, the whole world is talking about me all the time. And it's like, no, no, no, that's just your feet. You psychotic bitch.

No, but I can say, and Jordan and J.D., tell me if you agree, I can say quite confidently that that album transcended even the internet, I think. Yeah. It went into the world in a very real way. Like, my boss man talked to me about it. Yeah, without even the culture of it, it is just a brilliant album. Like, if you are just listening at it as a music head, Yeah, we were vibed to it.

I put it in the car. It isn't just about this sort of pop cultural reference of it. It is genuinely a brilliant record. And I think we missed. I think nobody filled your gap, actually. In it, that's what we said. Yeah. I said, I said that.

No, you said someone had. No, I didn't say someone had. I was just saying that there had been. No, people try, but there's not a blow smoke up your bummer, but there is only one Lily Allen. So, like, when you came back, we were like, oh. That's what Lily said. lyrically and the wrist-taking.

It was actually me that said that. Yeah, it was all you. You know, it was like, oh, yeah, yeah. No, but I'm not, I wasn't saying, I wasn't saying that there was another Lily Allen. I was just saying that, like, the vibes had inspired, you know, there's people who would come off the back of the vibes, which is a good thing.

I had to even myself included in that. Guys, stop, I'm so shy and embarrassed. No, it's true. It's true, like being balsh you with lyrics and, you know, saying how you really feel. You know, I wore air max and skirts for a while. And brumdresses back in 2009, I remember. Actually, this is something I did want to know.

Jade, who was Lily Allen to you when you were sort of 10, 11, because you're like, seven years younger than us? I think this is quite sad, but I used to sing a lot of your songs. I used to sing in a restaurant every week while people were, you know, eating the lasagna and stuff and I'd be belting out the fear. Amazing. What makes me want to cry? That's Lil's favourite now.

That's your favourite, right? It's the song of mine that I'm the most proud of, I think. Proud of, yeah, yeah. I love that song. And I think it's someone that wanted to, like, make it in the industry as well. Like, I just, I really resonated with that concept. So I'd sing that every week in an Italian restaurant before all of this. I love that.

How full circle. I love that. I want to go back there. I want to see that now. Yeah. What, the restaurant? Just the restaurant. Come up to Shields, mate.

You'll love it. Yeah, I want to see Jade in the restaurant in 2009. Jade has actually an unbelievable amount of pictures of herself as a child singing at all stages of her life. I love it. The whole journey has been documented. She had family members that cared about her. Exactly. We don't have that.

That's hilarious. Who are these people that came to your school plays and filmed them? Yeah, I know. There's no record of any of my childhood. Well, it's not fully, but. Makita. Yeah. What was your year like?

Oh, yes. Yeah, babe. I feel like you've gone into executive world now. You're chatting to me different. Thank you. You're like, I feel like you may have won at least two blazers in the last 12 months. I would never, but spiritually I'm wearing blazers. I get it.

But never again. I've had my time with bad blazers, which you were all there for. I think you've got one of those Madonna mics. You're doing so much business. How many presentations have you delivered this in the last year? We need to know. How many keynotes reaches? We call her Mrs. Deck on the WhatsApp.

Delivered tomorrow. Love a deck. Delivered tomorrow. Have you guys heard that last year was the year of the snake, which is the year of shedding. And this year is about what you sort of fulfill with your life, with what is left from all that is shed. Who are you with everything that was shed in the year of the snake? This year is the year of the horse. It's about fortitude.

It's about... I love horses. I love horses. Lil? Love horses. Thank you. I'm not asked. That's Lill's new product called Love Horse.

I'm not particularly... Oh no, you weren't into them. You didn't like it, did you? How do you feel about magic-y stuff, Jade? I like magic. Yeah, she's on the witch-vime. I like witchy stuff. Yeah, like magic.

Let me just say this one line for us. This is a good line. It's the year you stop circling your purpose. You climb onto the horse of your life and you ride it with clarity, direction, and a heart that finally knows where it's going. Are you willing to ride? A hundred percent

I'm riding I mean I thought I was sat next to a midnight cowboy But you're trying to discredit horses You call yourself a midnight cowboy Yeah no I like humans being my horse

Yes Ride us baby I want to be ridden by Jade Haid Ha ha ha I want more details. You know that I had to, I lost everything and moved to my mum's sofa for six and a half months. So very much went through the shedding.

That was a big shed. That was a lot. That was a lot. Not just for you for all of us. Wow. Yeah, it was tough. Listen, let me just say in like May, Lily was in hell. And our records were very difficult for me.

me, Lily was very upset a lot of the time and I completely understood but then everything fell apart in my life and I was really upset all the time and we just had to keep going and it was noisy. It was like my nan walking in the shot and Lily had like having a total like you know breakdown. It was really fucking hard and then suddenly the last four months of our year last year just turned into like the

best years of our life. It was really weird. It just all switched. Night's darkest before dawn. That's right. No shadow, no light without shadow. All that stuff. But yeah, I learned a lot about life last year and trust. Makita and I are doing something else together this year. Oh. We can't talk about it, but it is exciting.

I'm quite surprised you brought it up. Well, I just don't want to be specific because I don't want, you know, I don't want to let the cat out of the proverbial bag. But it's exciting. And also, like, when you brought it to me, I felt like, yeah, let's fucking do it and also you take the reins and fucking you do it

yeah. You're edging there, you're really edging the audience now. They're being very edged. Yeah I know. Have I not told you what it is? I don't know what you can tell me after. I'll tell you what I've done. No, but because Makita's instinct was like I'm going to call so and so and get them to make the call and I was like no bitch you make that call. This is your thing.

Lily told me to ride. Yes, Makita and I are you know collaborating on something And I feel like, you know, I would encourage you to take the reins, so to speak. And I feel like you are, you know, you're fucking jumping on that horse this year. Wait, I'm willing to ride. You are riding and we're doing it together. But McKee is very much the big boss.

And I'm very excited. That's very special. Oh, my God, yeah. But you know what was really good? We talked about it. And Lily said, you know what? we've actually, what we've learned with Miss Me is that Lily and I know how to work together now, which I never, ever thought we'd ever learn to do for any reason.

Who knows what we can fucking do next? How much further can everyone go? Like, Jade, Jordan, what are your dreams? What do you need? What do you want? What do I want? I just want to, I'd love to, like, up the levels with my life stuff because I did a theatre which was so nice and I actually really enjoyed a more intimate setting.

But in my brain, it was an arena show. And like, I like all the bells and whistles. It was an arena show. You know, like, I love pop, but I love putting on a show. So I'd love to keep getting bigger with that. I'll be writing the new record this year as well, which is cool. Oh, wicked. Those arena shows are calming.

I hope so. Let's not get it twisted. That's happening. Of course it's fucking happening. I really hope so. So that's kind of my goals. And I would like to do, like we touched on about the kind of document. idea. We did try stuff at the start when I, like, this is a few years ago. I got too busy.

We both did. It was such a cool idea of like document and like coming out of a group and being a source of all that stuff. So that ship's sailed now, but I'm sure there'll be something else. There's like an interesting take on it. Yeah, but there's a new story to be told. Yeah, exactly. There's like an interesting. There's a couple of ideas we didn't have the time to implement, which we could revisit. Yeah. Yeah. And then I just, I just want to challenge myself more. I just want to, I want to do things that scare me. I think. Love that. Yeah. I think that that is such an important thing.

I will always say if you're not scared, it's not worth it. Yeah. Facts. And I really believe that to be true. I think that like things should fill you with fear. Otherwise, like there's no risk. And I think that people respond to risk because ultimately that's, it's vulnerability and authenticity. So, and that's what people really buy into, I believe.

Yeah. Yeah, that's the goal. Yeah, I mean, I've seen your year, Lill. I will say I saw, there's. There's a very prolific American music commentator who called you icon in waiting the other day, which I thought was... Wait, it wasn't a needle drop guy, was there? I'm not at liberty to say names. Oh, okay.

Damn. So really, as we embark on this New Year family, we're saying that we should all be fucking terrified. And then we're on the right path. Yeah, absolutely. You should push ourselves. I feel like I've just lived in that state. I'm always doing the maddest new shit. I honestly, to a point, I want a break from fear, to be honest.

a break from challenging yourself. Just constantly doing nuts shit. No, you do jump in every time something arises and it's like, it's such a big thing and Jordan will just be like, yep, let's give that a goal. We got her though. You would be such a nightmare if you weren't doing 5,000 things. Surely that's like what your brain needs and your body needs and come.

I'm currently fixated on like opening a community centre in the North East. After coming home with me. I'm right. I definitely want to write another book. I've already got like the blueprints in my brain. And then I also do, I do genuinely, aside from that specifically, I do want to do more community outreach just because I feel like when we were speaking about last year, about the whole parasocial world we live in,

I really do want to try and find more balance like actually engaging with the people I want to speak and communicate to just to like have a better idea of what's really going on. Aside from everything else, I just, that's what I feel like that I want to do. You know, local stuff. You will. Oprah would say you're going into your service. And everything good with you guys, like you too, still in love, everything great. Still solid.

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. It's been challenging because I think it was the first year where we were both. Really busy. Really busy doing like promo. And I kept warning, joining me like because we got together, like at the end a little mix. So you'd never seen me sort of full pelt, you know, promo land, doing all the campaign stuff. And same with Jordan.

So we actually didn't get a lot of time alone together, did we last year? Last year, no. So I think this year, I know I need to get better at saying no to things and having a better balance with work and life because I do think I am quite addicted to my job. Like I live and breathe what I do and I love it. She's in two relationships. I am.

We all are. We're all in two relationships. I know, but we're all addicted to our work, especially in this circle. Bill, do you feel it? I mean, I definitely... Do I feel like I'm in two relationships? There were two of us in this man. No, but you know what I mean?

Three of us, so. You know what I mean? No. No, I've never experienced that. Fuck you, Jordan. No, I know. I feel like I'm in about 10 relationships. I've got...

My kids are... And they're like... ...fucking mental at the moment. They're 13 and 14. And like... They are really developing their personalities. What's happening? That's nightmare era, man.

Beginning of the teens. Oh, my God. What's happening? It's just a lot. There's a lot of questions. I mean, there's also a lot of change, right? In our lives at the moment, like, just anything that we've changed houses. We've changed countries.

We've changed schools. We have... Mommy's a pop star again. Yeah. And it's a lot. Their accents have changed because they've come back. Like now Marnie properly sounds like Princess Margaret. Like, sh-oh-my-God.

Near, near? Near. I'm like, who are you? Like, literally six months ago, she was like, wait, now. Oh, my God. Like, where? And now it's like a complete different person. But yeah, you know, they are discovering who they are.

They're like grappling with some new ideas in terms of like who I am. and um and you know i've been essentially you know the last five years i've been a stay-at-home mom right and now i'm a single mom that has to work and suddenly has a lot of work opportunities on my plate and i'm having to travel a lot but you know they also like having you know a nice roof over their heads and and nice clothes and you know being able to go to nice restaurants and things so they they They understand it, but it's just a lot of change. It's a lot of change. And also, like, new friends, new friendship groups

and, you know, the idea of, like, boyfriends. Oh, yeah. So who asked who out for out of Jordan and Jade? Who asked who out? I know it was a lockdown, you think. But who actually said, do you want to go out? Jordan messaged one of our mutual friends to say that he'd seen me on an app

and was interested and that I was a vibe. And then that friend screened grabbed that and sent it to me. No, I asked him, I asked him to pitch me to her. And he just screenshot what I asked him and sent it to Jade. Just sent it straight to me. And then Jade, with no pitch. That was the deck. And then Jade DM'd me and said, what's your pitch then?

Oh, sexy! That's alive. I asked for a PowerPoint presentation. No, you didn't ask for it. I did. I volunteered it. I volunteered it. Get the receipts out.

I actually have a Jordan folder. And this is when you guys both dressed in. suits and had a Zoom date in lockdown. That was the third date, probably, yeah. You little weirdos. I love you. Jay just wants to give us the receipts of the evidence. I expect a PowerPoint present here.

So I just have to prove my point before we think. Can I just say something? I don't want to assume that you two believe in the institution of marriage. But I always thought if I was ever to get married again. Sure, why not? That, um, I thought that like, you know, people have like individual tables for, you know, at the wedding reception or whatever, that each table could be like a different, um, text conversation from the beginning of the relationship. That's really cool. That's really cool.

Cute idea. I think you should go, I think you guys should do it. That would work well for us with our back and forth for sure. Really? That would work quite well. I've got it in this library actually. Should I grab it? What the PowerPoint?

I've got the screen grab of the PowerPoint presentation. framed in this room. Yeah, I think we should. I think that's a good way to end this, actually. It's right there. How love stories begin. On the window sill. It's Jordan's PowerPoint with like points of why he's a good candidate.

Yeah, what did he say? All right, here we go. So here it is. Go on, Jordan. Why are you a good boyfriend? No, I didn't say, but it was just... It looks so cheap. It was the point.

I was being subversive. Okay, here are the points. Point one. So this is the title. reasons why I'm great. Good at smiling. Yes. Right.

That's a good point. Good at spelling. Mm-hmm. That's pretty cool. This is lockdown, shit. This is lockdown through and through. Good at exercise. This one's good.

Got three really good mates, but could have way more if I wanted to, obviously. But could have more if I wanted. Oves. Can throw a ball really far. And actually, I remember when we did our first dog walk, you did throw a ball and I was really impressed. That was it.

And then there's two more. These people don't get it. These guys don't get it. You've got to think. Yeah. My dog definitely loves me. Facts. That's a big one.

And then last is very inventive. That's a great one. I love that. Yeah. Are these not compelling? I would love if a man said that. Yes, I don't know whether compelling's the word. I bet if they're very sweet.

She asked for a PowerPoint, I threw it together. These are just a rough idea of where I'm at. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It worked. And it was lockdown, so we were all a bit weird. You did very well, though. Yeah, it was a weird time.

It was a weird time. Weird. I'm confused where the weirdness comes from. That did it. I thought, do you know what? I'm in. We all did some weird things in lockdown. We really, we really did.

And I do have more good mates now, actually. Yeah, you do have more good mates now. You have got more good mates. Let's be honest, Jaden Jordan's relationship is a lesson to us all. Goals. I don't like that pressure I don't like that pedestal so you better be bloody perfect together

for a really long time Stop giving us fucking pressure That's why I don't do things like this Obviously I do this because I really It's a PR relationship It's a PR relationship We know we turn down so many things We can tell she's a beard

Because if Jordan one day said he was wanting to come out I'd actually find that such a gag I'd love to be a BS No you fucking would No, like, are you not? Obviously, I love Jordan and I want to spend the rest of my life for Jordan. You're fibbing right now.

But Shirley, the ultimate, the ultimate allyship test is like... Fucking fibbing. Totally, it's to be a beard. I have a been a beard as a teenager, but like... We're only to go because Rizzle kicks in Little Mixes is a perfect rhyme. I've been a beard. I just didn't know it. Anyway, let's wrap it up.

And that's an ally ship. When you do Mike Hoopler, you have a checklist and it says, have you ever, have a Have you ever bearded? Have you been with a gay? And if you have, then you get the book in. So, yeah. No comment. Okay.

And that about wraps it up for this very special New Year's Day episode of Miss Me. I hope we've reflected enough. I hope we've talked about the future. And I hope we've made everyone feel okay on this. Slightly weird day. New Year's day is quite weird. New Year's day is an odd one. It's because the wrong time of year.

I've told you this. It should be in March. Yeah, we think it should be March. Absolutely. It should be with the Chinese man. They've got it in February. Right. Okay.

Let's go. Happy New Year, guys. Happy New Year. Have a good one. Be terrified. Then you know you're on the right path. Bye. Bye.

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