Miss Me? - Divorce, empaths and ethical porn

Episode Date: October 22, 2026

Miquita shares how she helped Lily through a high-stakes divorce. They’re hard. And horrible. So Jordan asks why it’s easier to get married than go through the legal drama of separation. And a heads up that in this episode we talk about sexual themes you might find distressing. Do take care when listening. That’s because there’s big news in the world of online porn, as the government has announced content showing ‘choking’ or incest will be banned. Jordan and Miquita reflect on how their own porn habits have changed throughout their lives.Plus, Jordan has been getting mad at people calling themselves ‘empaths’. Surely, empathy is a feeling we should all nurture? You can message Miss Me? on WhatsApp at https://wa.me/447849030711Get bonus Listen Bitch! questions every Friday at patreon.com/missmeFollow the show on instagram and TikTok @missme.4evaYou can contact Miss Me? on email at [e-mail] Presented by: Miquita Oliver and Jordan StephensProducer: Maddie DruryTechnical Producer: Oliver Geraghty Assistant Producer: Katie-Louise Buxton Video Editor: Danny PapeProduction Coordinator: Tom JacksonExecutive Producer: Sam MichellMiss Me? is a Persephonica show Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Tell me everything about what you were saying was pissing you off this week. Even though you're in Bali, surrounded by beauty and peace. I'm in my Larry David era, which is about to kick off because these fucking cicadas or some shit, can you hear that? Yeah, they sound beautiful to me. They sound like the sound of Bali. That sounds beautiful to you. Okay, I don't know, man. These guys sound like they're fuming about something.

Hello and welcome to the wonderful show that they call Miss Me. That's what it's called on the streets. I had such a busy week in London. Jesus Christ, you know, I don't really like to leave the house. Lily was in town, in and out of town, and she had a dinner. So I went to that. It was really good to see her, actually. Got to spend some real time with Jonah, Lily's lovely boyfriend.

Like a schmooze dinner or just like a friend dinner? It was schmoozy. It was schmoozy. It was with Vogue. Okay, it was with Caledonia, Tights and Vogue. And it was really lovely actually But I haven't really got to sit with Jonah that much And it was really nice to get to know him

This guy They've been going out for like a year now You like? Yeah, I really like him We had really intellectual conversations about television That was really fun On today's Miss Me We'll be talking about so many different things

From Bali to London And talk a bit about the new porn law and Jordan's love-hate relationship with the word empath. Also, some divorce chat. We'll be talking about divorce. Even though I'm in Bali, I'm still in communication with the UK, of course. And a thing that keeps popping up for me amongst people, Jesus, is people keep calling themselves empaths.

Are you aware of this? Well, I'm a culprit. What? You say you're an empath. I really am an empath, though. Are you being serious right now? Are you just saying this to wind me up? Yeah, I'm being serious.

Oh my, I can't, I can't stand this. I literally can't. I cannot believe this. You're saying this just for the ban at this point. There's no way you actually mean this. I've realized when you said you wanted to talk about it, I was like, oh, I do say that quite often about myself. And I think it's because...

Why? I'm quite an emotional person. And if someone's feeling something, I really feel it too. That is empathetic. That is empathetic. That is to be empathetic, no? Right. So I ask somebody if it's to do with being empathetic

and they said no, because being empathetic is a voluntary conscious choice, right? They're saying that the empath thing is an involuntary, like response to how someone's feeling. Involuntary response to how someone's feeling. Yes, I will weep. I will weep if someone is, if like there's an old man finding it hard to get off the bus.

Yes. Well, I'd like to. to know what the definition of an empath is. It's not a real thing. Okay, a person who has a much higher than average ability to sense, absorb and relate to the emotions, energy or even physical pain of other people. Yeah, that's me. I just... It's why I'm a good interviewer.

I don't know, man. I just... Sorry, I hadn't prepped for you to say you were. All in my head is just taking apart this concept. Say everything you wanted to say to the internet, people, to me. Okay, look, the thing that I don't get about this is firstly I don't understand why people would be leading with that as an identity thing surely you could just be empathetic and then I would just be like wow you're so sensitive why do you have to tell me that you're that's like a part of your personality and also the first person who actually called themselves an empath was the one was like within a month did something

incredibly insensitive to me like literally like all people I was interacting with that month that specific person who would announce themselves as an empath was a real awesome why have you just done that yeah it was it was insane and also but they said when i asked them they said the exact like you just you give an example of like if i see an old man's to get off the bus they said the same shit like what what and also even another person will use this idea of like age or like homelessness or like they'll be like i'll see a homeless person and i'll feel sad like why is it always negative why can't you could be why is it always about crying it's not as silly as that no no no it's also about

putting a rainbow in other people's cloud the other day as mya angelo told us to do the other day i was like i'm going to have a day where i just put rainbows in other people's clouds and what uh the intention is is to leave people happier than are than before they saw you and i because that was my intention was just fucking doing it all over the place whether that be the lady in the calf who made me a sandwich or the the driver should be doing this every day uh Phoebe as well that day needed that. What? What's funny about that? You should just be doing that every day. What do you mean?

No, but I was intentionally living that day and I saw the response. No, but I don't think it's possible to live like that all the time. Sometimes you can get in your own head and feel very negative and it's hard to rescue yourself. And I was feeling very negative and having a really hard day and I was like, I know how to rescue myself to intentionally be good to others. And then I was like, I suppose that is quite good to be empathetic enough to know what other people need in their day? Is there ever a day where that isn't what you should do? It's not about should or could or would. It's about sometimes I don't have it in me because of what I'm going through. So it's a good

thing to remind yourself of how to bring yourself up from negativity to be empathetic. Why does this annoy you so much, Jordan? Whenever someone explains to me why they're an empath they almost always use crying as an example. They'll say, I'm an empath because when someone's upset, I can feel it. But I'm confused because, you know, sadness is just one of like six or seven emotions. Like if you're an empath, is it just sadness? Do you just feel sadness for other people? Or like that's always the example I hear is why is it always like I can see someone who's

having a shit time and I feel bad for them? Like, what about would you feel like angry on account of people? Would you feel joyful if someone else feels joyful? Also, like, how do you know that the person's sad? Are you speaking to them? Like, people will use examples of people they've not spoken to. Like, what if they're not sad? They're just emotionally mismatched.

What if they just look sad? But they're actually having a great time. So it's more about the idea of people trying to align this word to an identity of self. Well, I don't even understand its function. I don't understand. I think there's like a, I basically think that some people are just really sensitive. And there can be various reasons for that to do with, I mean, neurodivergence or like, you know, people might become overstimulated in crowds or,

be more receptive to another person, to another person's, like, experience. Okay, so would you ever describe, okay, if you think you're an empath, what example do you have outside of crying on behalf of another person? I just told you and you, it wasn't good enough. You know, you told me that you felt sad, so you intentionally were trying to be kind of to people, but that's not knowing how they feel.

Everybody wants to be uplifted. No, it was more like, I understood, I thought about the things that people in my life were going through and I thought about how to kind of get into their headspace of what they were going through so that I could help. Yeah. Like my mum's going through quite a lot and she thinks she's angry but actually she's just scared. So I was trying to find like the real emotion that she was coming from

so that I could respond accordingly and we got somewhere really good actually. It was a really good conversation. I was very worried about her. Isn't that just being empathetic though? Because you said it's an action. People love to say. That would be being empathetic. I would not usually just go around town calling myself an empath.

That would just be being empathetic. But because we were talking about today, I was like, yeah, I guess I do think I am an empath. What do you think an empath is? I'm just trying to understand. Like, if that's, I get that example of empathy, but what do you think it is? I think it's having a higher level of understanding of other people's emotions.

Understanding or just experience. No, understanding. How do you know? I don't know. I guess you just feel it. Oh. But you feel it because you are. listening to their like deeper feelings, their aura is telling you how they feel.

My mum was saying she was angry and behaving like an angry person, but she was a scared mouse. To be an empath would be under the guise of what you said the other day to me, which I really loved, which is the something of a word. It's like a verb something. Oh, verbicide. A verbicide. And what did you say? It's the not deconstruction.

It's like when a word falls apart. because of its use and means starts to mean nothing. Yeah, verbicide, yeah. Like when something is used in a way where it's kind of removed the initial meaning, although I do sometimes quite enjoy that, I will just say. Well, as someone as a lover of language and you, my friend, as a lover of language,

I adore language. You know that I fucking hate that actually. Yeah, but like, that's something I hate more. I know, but language evolves, you know? And like, I think that's fascinating. I think, you know, I mean, the English language is, like it's just full of words from other languages for one.

So it's, but just because language evolves, why do, why can't certain words still hold strong in meaning with that involvement? Why must they be, sort of watered down in meaning? Sometimes it's, sometimes it's painful.

And I get that. I don't disagree with that. Yeah, but it's like, you know, I think there's a part of me that's like, out that hurts, but then also,

you know, like, I just don't know. They just power in the world changes, like systems change, environments change, and then words can mean whole different things, you know? I would like to add a word to this place of words evolved. Sorry, the world evolves. Words start to mean different things.

Narcissist. Yeah. People throw this word around like it's candy. Yes. And I'm sorry, we can't now align the entire gender of the male species. Of just men. I'm sorry. No, not even just men.

It's more if someone hurts someone now, they're a narcissist. And it's like, I wish people, I wish things were that simple. But things are more complicated. And I think that it would be really helpful if we all understood the story of narcissists, right? Which is obviously Greek mythology. And I don't know the story in full. Sorry, I don't know the origins of it completely. But I know that...

He leans into his own reflection. He looks into his own reflection and wasted a way. way. Echo, and this is great, you know, please I implore you to read more about Greek mythology because there are words we use every day that are in these stories like Echo is whose advances narcissists spurns. Is that the right word? Spurns, spurned your advances. Yeah, that's good word, yeah. Something like that. And so, and then what's left is her haunting voice. Hello, the word echo. Yeah. And then he has an issue with someone called nemesis, hello. the word nemesis. So this idea that, like, there is, I mean, obviously, Jordan and I talk about

etymology a lot and it's a huge, like, love of both of us, but like, maybe even that word scares you, but just thinking about where words come from gives it the right, said word, whether it be empath or narcissist or icon. Sorry, sorry, let me pull you that. Sorry, empath is an invented word. So it's just going to be clear. Like, like, empath isn't, like, well, sorry, you know what, I can already hear the. empaths like attacking me spiritually. Yeah, the empath's going. How dare you? I'm just going to say like I, I understood some form of the word just to continue that.

Because this is important to me actually because a lot of people are saying this. I understood the importance of the word in the context of like witches. Like some people would be like, yes, you know, I'm a witch or whatever. I'm an empath. And I'd kind of like, it was fringe. So I'm like, okay, that means that someone's highly sensitive and aware and whatever. So darling, it's not it's not a made up word. It's a word that's been bastardized.

That's what's happened. I think that there is a sensitivity that comes with various neurodivergent things, perhaps, or not. Because my thing is, can you become an empath? That's a question. Like, can you develop, because I think you can develop a sensitivity. It's like a muscle. I think you can develop an understanding of people. One can decide to live more intentionally empathetically.

Yeah. And with the narcissistic thing, we're all narcissists. Yes. And what scares us most when we see in others is because we know it lives within us. Yeah, it is a bit, it's a bit of an overused. I just think there's more specificity. Like, for people to be self-centered, sure, for people to be lacking in the ability to engage on an emotional level, sure, I mean, there's various reasons for that.

I worry slightly just about just the boxing. That's what it is, it's the boxing of people. Like, for example, amidst these words are generally. genuinely like clinical scenarios. I think that's what I'm trying to say. So like with empath, there might be a situation where somebody is highly sensitive or actually, let me reframe that.

I think some people will be what they think are empaths because of literal trauma. Like what if you're just, what if you're just hypervigilant because you lived in an emotionally volatile environment when you're a child? You then go through a life saying, I'm an empath. Why don't you just actually go and speak to somebody

a professional and work through how you feel, rather than find an identity to hide behind. It's interesting, there are words in the world that I think I know what they mean. And I actually don't. And actually, that's come up a lot in this TV show I've been watching called War because it's about divorce.

And divorce is an airy thing. Yeah, I think I get divorced. And I've had friends that have got divorced, famously, and also high-stakes divorces with lots of money behind them. But this show is like, showing these words within a process that we all think we know, divorce. And then like taking them apart, the legal terms.

Like arbitration, motherfucker. Arbitration. I was like, what is arbitration? And the thing about divorce is it's so archaic, not dated, but archaic. Like the rules and the processes. They're almost like gentlemen. It's like gentlemanly war. And this show, that's why it's called, I mean, I love that it's called war, because it really is war.

Can I just say, I audition for that show. I know, you told me, I can't believe it. Archie Renner got it. He's a dope. Do you want an audition to be the fit mole in war? The fit mole. If anyone's been watching it, it's got Sienna Miller and Dominic West in it, and it's on Sky. That script was brilliant.

I don't know how, you got, you gave me the idea that it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, in the way that I would, I read it and rung another actor. It's like, this shit's crazy. Okay, so let's get this very clear. Jordan audition for the role of Johnny in war. The fit mole. The fit mole. You do look like a fit mole.

Thanks. Appreciate that. You would have, aesthetically. Right now I look like a fucking fit, I look like a fit mal. Like just in a vest in darkness. If you were an animal, you might be a mole. Really? With like little glasses.

Inquisitive. They're blind. Oh, yeah. But is it, is it good or not? I did think it was good writing. No, I didn't, I wanted it to be great writing. It is good. It's just a little bit pleased with itself.

It's just a little tiny bit things. I'm like, that wasn't as good as possibly that thought it was. And when writing's really good, you don't even notice that shit. That was just my personal opinion. But you loved it when you read it as a script. I thought it was brilliant. Just thrilling. You know, it wasn't, it wasn't like, profound.

It was just thrilling. And it was, oh, there's going to be loads of, oh, whose side, who's on whose side, who's getting one over to. Yeah. It is good. No, I've been very entertained by war. And it's doing very well. I will say, though, that Dominic West is like, at this point, he must just be, like, overloaded with these roles. It's almost too obvious.

I love Dominant West. I think he's a real actor, but it's just so, he just read that. He's all, yeah, I'll do that for a laugh. Yeah, sure. Like, who's that opposite? Sienna, phoning it in. Fucking cool. So this idea of the process of divorce being kind of opened up has been really interesting.

So in the beginning of a divorce, there is mediation. And mediation is essentially panto. Mediation is each side pretending that they have any inclination to settle. And it's really, like, based in old process, because, like, they're all in this big Georgian townhouse in the middle of London. this mediator comes in and gives us a number, whatever number you're willing to settle on and takes the piece of paper, walks down the stairs through the building

to the other room to give Sienna the other bit. Like it's all very, as I said, gentlemanly, but there is a war going on, which I really like. I love that duality. Do you like it or does it terrify you for life? No, it thrills me. That's the thrilling part for me. And then the second part is arbitration,

which is slightly more like, where you sort of get a bit nasty or fight it out, bring witnesses but you still don't really want to go to court you kind of want it to end there and if no one settles or something in arbitration then you're going to fucking court so no wonder by the time people get to court

they're like exhausted and... Isn't it mad how difficult is to divorce? I heard someone on a podcast say it should be the other way around it should be difficult to get married and easier to divorce. Harder to get married, easier to get divorced. Yeah.

Yeah. Yes. The escape plan should be easy. I still do want to get married. It still doesn't make me want to stop getting married. Yeah. I mean, go for it. Go for it.

I mean, I've literally... Good luck. Well, I just did some of the divorce stories I hear are horrendous. Like, genuinely, just people just destroying everything. Everything that they had, like, built. Sometimes there's kids involved. Just like horrendous for it to be that difficult. It should not be that difficult.

Yeah, I think after watching Lil go through it this second time, and obviously this one was particularly all. I got to see more of the ins and outs of it, not like arbitration and mediation. She didn't share that stuff with me, but just like the daily toll. Yeah. And the kind of like, just the lack of injustice. Do you mean lack of justice? Sorry, lack of justice.

As I say lack of justice. I also think it's, I also think what's really weird is that I think obviously we need law, I guess. We do need law. It helps keep order. But it also does create sometimes this really bizarre. distance between sometimes you can't just use discretion because there has to be laws right? Like one of the things

that upsets me about law is apologising can be legally used against you like that's crazy to me ah that loads of people can't legally apologize because it's considered an admittance a confession admittance Jesus

Christ and like sometimes I see cases obviously not extreme ones but some middle cases where I'm like damn if people could just talk in this moment and apologize, even if they haven't done. Like, because you know, a lot of the time with an apology, you're apologising for what someone thinks you've done, which I think is a powerful thing to be happy to do. I really resent people who don't apologize.

I think, I'm sure you've spoken about this on Miss Me before. Yeah. But yeah, it's weird that it's a, when there's a legal thing, you can't say it. Yeah. Yes. I guess in mediation, there's this moment where the characters in war could just chat it out and start to be honest with each other, each other and apologize. But they're doing things, don't know.

If I remember the pilot, they're doing things, right, to trap each other. So they can leverage it. There's a honey trap situation. They're doing it so they can leverage this shit and they get there, and they get the little pictures and the money and they're trying to fucking do. He's going back and forth. He's going to get caught up, man. He's going to get buried.

Is that what he thinks is going to happen? I'm like, this is such a terrible idea. Why would you be a mole? But like, can you deep the idea that you marry a person, no pre-nup, and then you get divorced and just lose half of your shit. I know, no, because I'm,

no, because I am often in my relationships that financially secure. I make more money than my partners and I have always

so far. And the idea that those motherfuckers take my hard-earned money just because they married me. Yeah. It's a fucking contract.

No. It's a fucking contract. Watertight pre-up in my life coming up. It's a fucking contract, man. Well, what if you marry a billionaire? You want a pre-nop and you marry a billionaire? I wouldn't take it. I don't want it.

I've always never wanted someone else's money. That's why I've always made my own money. But the idea that like, just from circumstance, like, fuck that. I don't want someone else's money. Let me paint you a picture. Centi-millionaire, right? You guys are together. We do your thing.

Magic is in the air, right? Just pure magic. warmth joy well win romance you're getting spoiled now you're like it's like hold on i've spent my whole 20s and 30s having to having to help people this guy's jet setting me babe jump on the fucking plane i booked the ticket last night come out here private villa weeks weeks weeks weeks weeks weeks and then a year later two years later you guys are chilling and then one time he just leaves his phone on the table and you just see this like text pop up stop it and he go what's going on here oh uh and then you realize six month affair with the woman he was with before i think actually i'm not happy we should get a

divorce then you go into the divorce settlement heartbroken angry been betrayed and you're going to tell me in that moment you're going to go i don't want anything let me leave no i feel humiliated even further by taking his money i agree full of integrity and i'm proud of you for me I'm proud of you for leaving that imaginary centimillionaire marriage. Also, I'm going to be a roped billionaire, so fuck that shit. Don't be a billionaire. Please not be a billionaire. Really shit is a bad idea. Not billionaire,

multi-millionaire, I know. All right, well, let's have a break because let's have a little divorce from proceedings. Nice. And come back and talk about porn because the rules have motherfucking changed. Welcome back to Miss Me. We're chatting about sexual themes. You might find distressing.

So do take care of when this. Thank you for joining us, little darlings. I'm in London. Jordan's in Bali. Wherever you are, I hope you feel close to us and I hope you feel like you're in our hearts because you're really bloody are. What porn do you watch? Be honest, be honest, what porn do you watch? Just straight up. Historically over time, what has got you going? Fuck it. Yeah. All right. So when I, okay, I have to be honest, I don't watch porn now. It doesn't turn me on. I don't like it. But when I was 14, I got a TV, I got Sky in my room. So I was like, hmm, wonder what's happening on Channel 536.

Oh, Babe Station. It was something like that. Yeah. I don't like Babe Station. What really turns me off is like... Obviously you don't like Babbage Station. Well, I just don't like lots of women in their tits out and just like rubbing them. It's not porn.

Well, it is now actually, but it's not, it's not porn. No, I don't see that shit as porn. It's like soft, there's like soft porn, isn't it? It's like... I would like intercourse if we're going to. When you go on a porn website, Makita Oliver, and you have the ability to search specifically for something that you think might get you going, what are you putting in that search? What category are you clicking on?

No, I'm not. I am not saying. Do you want to give you some examples? No, because I know what I'd search for. Okay, great. I can tell you what I'll search for. Okay. It harks back to, you know, I said very early on and missed me that I like having sex on chairs.

Then I said I have a sex stool. And then we gave out a free sex stool at the end of Miss Me Live. So I haven't really got anything left to hide. Okay. So I would probably search Sex on Chairs. Sex on Chairs. Great band name. Great band name.

Sex on Chairs. I'd listen. I'd tune in. So Sex on Chairs is in my search. What's in yours? So I really, and for a long time have enjoyed amateur content. Like amateur. I love couples feeling,

feeling, well feeling, yeah true, filming themselves. Like I like... I don't know you could find that. What do you mean? I don't know you could get real couples filming themselves in the world of porn. Yes. That's hot.

See, that's hot because what I hate about porn is, I'm sorry, but low-produced and ridiculous. Yeah, no, but low production values don't turn me on. So what I used to love was like great sex scenes in films because the lighting's good. Yeah, yeah. The shots are better. The acting's better.

Blue as warm as color was the sexual awakening for many people in the planet. I haven't seen blue as the warmest color because women together don't turn me on ever, never have. So the reason we're having this conversation is because there's a new ban in porn. Now when I say new ban, obviously I know a lot less about porn than you do in the porn industry and even enjoying it. I'm about to go fucking search amateur. I didn't know you could do that. It's literally a category and it's the first one, which is so bizarre because it's an A. So you could have just clicked categories and then it would have come up.

On what site? Actually, oh, well, no, no, I want to, I can tell you about an incredible site, but you should explain what we're saying before I get into the other side. And you are right to say that I do know about porn, weirdly. I don't know why I do. Well, yes, the government have placed new laws on the pornography industry over strangulation and... Depictions, oh, depictions of characters that are below age.

So it would be like adult actors playing like steps, step children, step like um school kids yeah incestuous relationships banned from the 6th of November incestrous relationships within porn fucking fucking your daughter fucking stepdaughter stepdaughter I'm sorry his school girl stepdaughter

yeah sorry I know it's fucked up so November 6th 2026 that's when they've decided this isn't a vibe anymore how many years have we had porn okay but look there is there is another side though because obviously some people do enjoy certain kinks and pleasures. Yeah, but you know what?

There's that incredible film called Kinsey. It's about that man that did the big census, as it were, like a sex censors of America in the 1950s, Dr. Kinsey, and asked people for the first time, how do you have sex? How often do you give your wife head? Do you like blow jobs, blah, blah, blah. And I remember there's this scene where he's talking to this guy who's a bit creepy who starts talking about abusing kids,

and Kinsey goes, that's enough, and says, I don't want this. is part of it and I think you do just have to draw a line between there's kink and then there's abuse no no i agree i agree sorry i wasn't saying that i agree with that pushback i'm just being aware that look i i'm down for reducing this especially the choking thing like it is there's like real tangible evidence that that's been taken on by people who don't know what the fuck they're doing or or and don't ask and don't engage and communicate that's ultimately the most important part of it like obviously if we're going to talk as adults there will be adults there will be adults

listening that enjoy that with someone that they trust and having asked for it and with an ongoing communication about the strength and whatever like but what the scary thing is is there's young people who think that that's just how you have sex that there's no communication or consent within the porn itself that would help them understand you know what I mean I can say one thing about the step thing which I think is wild to me because I've I've always been creeped out by the step stuff the step is this very often this step sister step no step porn is like our is probably the most searched on and in a whole world but but can i but where shall we let you know how much i love incest let's save that for a whole listen bitch so where shall we sorry that's crazy

that's a crazy thing for to say i think it's the most intriguing insane thing in the world and i think it's because i didn't grow up with siblings so i'm just like what it's insane to me that that even occurs um where should we send people then to learn about sex the desire to look only at amateur porn that has being filtered in a healthy way you can't search for um like anything violent can't search for anything demeaning um is this website set up by cindy gallop called make love not porn dot tv um oh yeah you tell me about this yes and you and you go on there and it's literally just like people just couples filming themselves some some solo people um it's such a good remedy i do want to say that like I haven't actually watched mainstream porn for a long time because I listened to an expose

by a female journalist of the realities of those huge sites, right? They're all the ones we know. And it is fucking despicable. When you hear what these sites are doing, they have like tens of thousands of open cases. They have like thousands and thousands of videos every day. And they have like a handful of people who are allocated to review whether or not this porn includes people who are under. age or even consensual. So some of these people who are working for these companies are watching like

10,000 or like 5,000 videos a day. Can you imagine the mental state of these people? And then also what's even worse is if somebody gets a video removed, the mainstream site would keep the link up and still get ad spent from the fact that someone searched it. So you could search something fucked up and then it would say this video has been removed for legal, right, like by the whatever. But the fact that that you can click on the link means that that that company still gets paid by an advertiser for someone searching something illegal. Did you get that how dark that is? The whole thing's fucked so fuck that so that's why I'm more even only fans has issues but like at least with only fans or those things you can or many vids or whatever you can buy something from the creator.

That's the why I said before that like that's more ethical in my mind at least they are you'll go in direct to consumer you know and like I know people will have feelings the messaging things a bit too intimate in my mind, but like, you know, there's just ways of interacting with, with creators and people in the setswork industry that is less exploitative. And make love not porn is one of them. They obviously pay their creators. And then, yeah, there will be sites that facilitate that. Okay.

Everyone, uh, head on over. Get down as soon as you can. Isn't Lily on Only fans? Yeah. Yeah, right. Go Lily. Fuck yeah. Yeah, go Lil.

She changed shit when she did that actually. No, serious. Like, it's that's because it should be. Like that's just what, you know, people want to buy a product. But for my new porn needs, because I'm doing kundalangi yoga. Kundalini. Tonight? Kondolini.

Yeah, yeah. Kondalini. Yeah, amazing. Opening up my body. So I'm going to do that and then I'm going to come home and shove a little, what's it called? Make love not porn. Make love not porn. Okay, you're telling people you're planning to masturbate after yoga.

That's right. After kundalini yoga. You do that. It's going to be quite the evening. But I would implore everyone to go and take a look at this site if you feel that the porn that is around just isn't for you, babe. Just isn't for you. Yeah, big up Cindy, man.

She's a legend. She's so cool. It's amazing that she's doing that. Yeah. Beautiful work. And also I would say there are some sex scenes in films, but I can't remember any of them now. But some of them really taught me about sex. I love a good sex scene.

They're quite hard though. They're quite hard to find really good ones, I think. Have you ever had to do one? Yeah. It's the foot in my first ever job It blew my fucking mind I can't fucking imagine It blew my fucking mind

The way they said cut And then what do I do with that energy I was sat in this car like what the fuck Mama's a voyeur So there wasn't even a whole crew You know what I'm saying But when there's a whole crew You have padding

You have padding I've had I've done like four sex scenes I've done a lot Yeah yeah I've done one like in a club toilet before And it's like I had to hit I had to like do padding I've actually done a whole, I did a whole short film where it was just, that's not a sex scene, sorry, it was just me alone.

Okay. No, that was good. That was a good way to end. I'm proud of you. It was very confusing. Get back to Bali. I know what's. Get back to Bali and I'll see you for Listen, Bitch.

The theme is cartoons. Meditate, masturbate, manifest, baby. That's me. The 3Ms till November. What are we saying? I'll see you at Listen. Butch next week. Bye.

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