Miss Me? - Drop and Fluff

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver discuss new show Adolescence, kids and skincare, and share their thoughts on ageing.This episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. Hiya, I'm podcaster Audrey Akande and on Dear Daughter Stars, I'm showing a letter to my daughter about taking up space in the world. Dear Daughter Stars from the BBC World Service. Listen now by searching for Dear Daughter wherever you get your BBC podcasts. Hello, this episode of Miss Me contains some very strong language, some adult themes and some conversations about violence. Hello darling. Hello darling. Welcome to Miss Me with me, Lily Allen and Miki de Oliveira. Yes and I've had a total fuckery

of a week I've been driven out of my home by external crazy circumstances and I'm now on the sofa at my mom's house for the time being. Oh babe. And it feels like I'm talking to you in the midst of absolute fucking chaos there are like 15 dogs here, my nan, my Auntie Amanda living upstairs. There's someone cleaning the barbecue outside right now. And I don't really live in chaos. Why are they cleaning the barbecue?

Is there a barbecue happening that I don't know about? I think she's preparing for a serious summer of barbecuing actually, she must be. Andy Oliver. As long as there's nothing imminent happening that I'm not invited to. No, it's not warm enough yet. Good to know. Good to know. You got cooked chicken like two weeks ago by mum. I think it's because you're in London,

you feel like you should be getting some sort of weekly delivery. Yeah, people should be feeding me 100%. Are you okay? Because I know you're alone at the house, the girls have gone back. The girls have gone back to their fathers, but I'm here with my cousin, cousin Gracie. Oh, I didn't know Gracie was there, okay, fine. Yeah, but sometimes she goes away for a night, like she went away to Hastings on the weekend

and I was very sad, very lonely. That's when you text me. Yeah, and then my friend Olivia came over and slept in my bed last night. I feel a bit wobbly and shaky text me. Yeah, and then my friend Olivia came over and slept in my bed last night. I feel a bit wobbly and shaky as well. I feel like there's something happening with the planets. Don't usually subscribe to this shit, but didn't work, we went to retrograde yesterday.

Beyond retrograde, no one needs to worry about retrograde. All people need to know is that after that full moon last week, there was an eclipse. So if your life felt a bit glitchy and eclipsy and maybe like a tower falling down like mine, it was all very eclipsy. And then things kept happening to people around me. Eclipses like explosion, deal with it. And then maybe build yourself back up. Actually, I was talking to Tom Matty about what was going on in my life and he was like, maybe it's like Mario Kart and you've gone up another level, but it's the ghost

level. And it's like, yeah, you have to get through the ghost level, which is the penultimate before that, you know, Bowser. I think Bowser's, no Bowser comes for you at the beach, the idyllic beach, which is the last round. So I feel like I've just got to be like collecting coins or some shit. Babes, we're always collecting coins. You know what I'm saying? I'm Mario, you're Luigi. Hang on.

Bada-ba-dee, da-ba-da-ba-dee. Hang on, I don't know when we- What, when I became Mario? I don't know when we assigned those roles, yeah. I don't really feel myself as a Luigi type. I always preferred Luigi so you can be Mario. Sorry. Mum, Garth, get out. I'm talking to Lil. I said, I'm talking to Lil. Go on, Mum, please. She's like, hi Lil. Okay, come on then. Quickly. One little hi Lil. Hi.

Where am I? Where's my face? I don't like to look at my face too much. Honey, you look gorgeous. She look good. Thank you. You really do. Thank you. Thank you.

I'm gonna talk like Kourtney Kardashian for the rest of the show. Oh God, shall I say it? You're a bit glow up at the moment. What do you mean? I feel like you have gone a bit Kardashian. It's like groomed. Really?

Outfits. I watched a lot of Kardashians yesterday. I don't see it myself, but other people have definitely mentioned to me that they see like a brightness in my eyes where there wasn't before. And that I seem like in a better place than I was a few months ago. After watching 10 hours of Kardashian's yesterday, because I re-platted my hair, I would say you're, oh God, this is so bad. If we got, have we come to this,

but I think you are Courtney with just a little bit of Kim. Is that right? I don't agree. I think I'm Chloe and Kylie. Oh my god, interesting combination. Chloe and Kylie, for what reasons? Because I'm more of a Chloe mom. So you have watched this.

And I'm like, you know, I'm about my business like Kylie and I'm hot. Like Kylie, sure. We'd all like to be like about our business like Kylie and I'm hot. Like Kylie, sure. We'd all like to be about our business like Kylie. In my head, I'm about my business like Kylie. I'm cutting deals. Multi-billionaire. Yeah.

Why not? Here we go. But anyway, my point is, let me just see, backtrack, where the hell was I? Can't remember. Why were we talking about any of this? Mario Luigi. Yes. I think in life, there are huge planetary explosions and they mirror in your life. I've definitely had one and I'm just trying to go up to the ghost level.

You want me to move back to West. Maybe it's an opening to move back home to West. Portal. Lily Allen wants me to live in the same building as her, which is incredible because obviously we see quite a lot of each other at the moment. But it's very sweet. Yeah, but I'm going to be back off to New York quite soon. So you can keep an eye on it for me while I'm not here. Do you think we could watch TV together, be cozy? Do you think we agree on enough of the same TV? Yeah, I mean, did you watch Adolescence over the weekend? I just crammed it this morning and what? We just had some bloody good television making.

I mean, no wonder you're feeling a bit wobbly. I watched it with Gracie on Saturday and like every 20 minutes I was like, do you feel physically sick? Do you feel physically sick? Because I feel physically sick. She was like, yeah. So tell me what made you, we should probably say what Adolescence is. It's on Netflix, of course.

I don't think we can do any spoilers, but it is basically a very gritty, real feeling drama series, four part drama series on Netflix about a little boy, 13 year old boy and the murder of a girl who is slightly older. I mean, yeah, it's a story about something that happens all the time at the moment that we don't really know the details about. Well, I don't know if it is at the moment. I think that it's probably has happened all the time forever. It's just we have not been subjected to the information forever because we're always on our mobile phones and everything is...

I think I do agree with you that, sorry, I don't agree with you. I think that there have been different stages of this as it's risen, if we're talking about particularly knife crime. I remember 10 years ago, I think you were still living in London and there was just this kind of epidemic of young men and women losing their lives through knife crime related incidents. And this feels like something else, this sort of spate of these kind of isolated, violent incidents between very young people against each other with a lot of the internet, the backbone of it feels like something quite different.

But I do think that what is interesting about this particular, you know, sort of telling of this tale is that it is set now. And the backdrop is... Instagram. Instagram, and also there's the Manosphere and Andrew Tate. And I find that interesting because we hear about Andrew Tate all the time, right? But because you and I are both women, we are not subject to that algorithm. So we are

not being fed that stuff that these kids and men are being fed. And so we don't really see it. But that's what was interesting about this program to me was that you can see the potential effects of it. Well, also the nuance of it, we're not just saying Instagram, we're talking about literally like discourse using emojis to kind of mirror this huge, I suppose this is new, this hugely important and scary new atmosphere, you know, said manosphere. And what I thought was really interesting is in one scene that they're sort of the police, because I guess the police are older people and just not dissecting in the right way. And there's a moment where they're sort of talking about discourse between two people in this through the emojis used. And a younger person has to explain that actually there are other things going on in this emoji discourse. It's not just as simple as bullying. It's not just as simple as he fancied her, she

fancied him, or they didn't and she did. It's like it's really nuanced. We're talking about a bloody emoji but it becomes... It means something completely different. Completely and I also... This code. Yes, it's like code. It's like code and the rage and anger and shame and self-hate that just these pretty little pictures can evoke in really, really young people now. It was like nuts to me. It was like, fuck, it was the emojis. But it's like another way of tearing someone down. Yeah. And also I feel like with this stuff, the Manosphere stuff and the Andrew Tate stuff, we've had nearly 40 years, well, nearly 41 years life experience.

And so we can take on the little information that is shot our way via the internet and digest that information with 40 years experience under our belt and our knowledge of the world and how things work. When you are 12, 13 years old, it's like, it's just when you're forming your sense of self around this stuff that exists is just absolutely heartbreaking I think. Let's talk about how bloody well it was made then. I mean, I mean the one shot episodes, come on. But the thing is what's so extraordinary, particularly at like sort of the end of episode two,

this shit just takes you on car journeys and into rooms and around schools and the grounds and back to another scene. I mean, they must have had to set this out like theatre because there's these moments of real documentary, like it feels like a documentary with just the brilliant writing and the way that you're just never leaving this shot. You're never leaving these rooms. It's actually deeply claustrophobic but extraordinary. I wanted to just say who directed it. I think Stephen Graham wrote it. Oh yes, Stephen Graham wrote it with Jack Thorne, of course. Brilliant British television writer who's written many things. That's his name, Philip Barentini. Fantastic, technical, creative, beautiful work, Philip Barentini. The moment when it goes through, there's a chase scene and the camera takes us through a window, through a chase,

up into the sky, into a drone shot, then goes to the crime scene, then comes back, lands, and goes into a close-up of Stephen Graham. That's how we end. I was like overwhelmed with how beautifully this was made. It deserves all the things that people are saying. The Guardian. The closest thing to TV perfection in decades. That's when you know you've done some good work. Do you see in the opening credits Brad Pitt's name? Executive producer? Yes. What do you think that link is? What

the link between Brad Pitt and Stephen Graham is? Yeah. Possibly Jodie Comer. No, the correct answer is Snatch. Interesting. What a film. Yeah. What a film. I love Brad Pitt playing a traveller. He was brilliant. He was so fit. Oh my God. Brad fit. I don't fancy him usually. Just in snatch. Yeah, so that's good. They stay friends and he believes in Stephen's work. Beautiful. Well done, Stephen Graham, right? He put all this together. I mean, he is a national fucking treasure. Has he even made a knight yet? I bet he wouldn't take a knighthood. Oh no, I think he would. I would hope he would. Really interesting background, he has sort of Swedish and Jamaican grandparents. And he was, you know, I feel like he cares a lot.

I mean, he's got like a sort of socio economic view or need to like share shit. Like he did this whole series called Help About the Care System. During COVID, yeah. He takes on roles that are very, yeah, like socially aware, socially conscious. Yeah, and this is his production company making this with Warp Films who made This is England. So he's doing bloody good work, Stephen Graham.

I hope he does get a knighthood. Well done, Stephen Graham. We love you. He hates us, he hates NEPA babies, so I don't think he wants get a knighthood. Well done, Stephen Graham. We love you. He hates us, he hates Nepo babies, so I don't think he wants to hear from us. Has he said, I hate Nepo babies? Basically, yeah. I agree with him, because I'm not one.

I can agree with him. I don't hate Nepo babies, but I don't relate. Hey, I had a quite interesting conversation with my brother and someone else about Nepo babies last night, because I was watching football with them and I was like, are they like Nippo babies in sports? Are they like kids of footballers? And Aire and my stepdad was like, well, no, it's not really, but you can't call it Nippo

baby because it's like, it's based on- Sorry, that is an actual spot on Aire and impression. It's based on ability, isn't it? And I was like, well, this is where it's interesting, isn't it? Because in academia and sports, there's like either a right way or a wrong way of doing things. And so, but with the arts, it's like objective or sub subjective. So it's much easier to palm off somebody as having benefited from nepotism because you

can't really quantify whether someone is good or not It's a matter of personal opinion, right? Whereas in sports and academia, it's not it is either right or wrong You've won or you've lost But you never hear anyone calling like Chris Eubank jr. A nepo baby or Steve Wright Phillips or Sean Wright Philip whatever right Phillips or even Frank Lampard. Yeah, they're not called nepos. No, they're called talented bastards. Yeah. For me, it doesn't even make sense because my mom was too poor to even look after me

when I got Pop World and not a famous person at all. So it literally doesn't run with me at all. Doesn't run near my house. Well, Keith Allen is responsible for everything that I achieved, so I fully subscribe to the Neffo baby label. Thank you so much, Keith. It's actually the baby thing that upsets me.

It's like I'm 40 fucking years old. Can we stop infantilizing me? ["The Neffo Baby Label"] Well, I think it would be fair to say that there is a fair amount of pressure being put upon the young men of not just this country, but any country that is knee deep in the internet, and where children, young people are subscribing to the internet, males particularly. Females are, you know, under a different kind of pressure from the internet. They're being constantly fed product, skincare product. Beauty has become the thing that is pressurizing them and this, you know, completely

ridiculous beauty standard that they are supposed to subscribe to. My children are 12 and 13 and every birthday or Christmas all I get is a list of like active face creams and toners and moisturizers from Sephora or any other shop that they might want to buy their stuff from but it's like know, stuff that's totally inappropriate for their type of skin. Like they have the most beautiful skin now. They don't need this shit. Yeah, of course they do 13 year old skin.

I'd kill them in the street for their skin. Like glycolic acid, no babes, you're 12. You don't need that shit. You don't need retinol on that perfect baby soft skin. Please, please do not. Please do not. Well, our version of this, when we were like 12, there was this place called Kensington Market on Kensington High Street, which was like, a bit like Camden Market, it would sell clothes and shit. It was like a big building with all these, we used to buy the best flares there and band t-shirts. Red or dead.

Yeah. I got my nose pierced there. And that was like, for us, that was really fun. Remember how much fun we had with all that makeup and hair shit? Like that was a huge formative time for us in our adolescence. So maybe this is just that, but it doesn't feel as fun. It feels like preventative and scary and like something that needs to be stopped. It's like, no, you meant to be enhancing your beautiful shit right now, not worrying about shit that's going to happen in 30 to 40 years. Yeah, they're also going to like, I mean, because all of those active ingredients basically just take layers off of your skin. So they're going to be walking around when they're 40 with like skeletons

because they've like taken all their skin off for 40 years. Good luck, kids. Is that what you were saying? I mean, I can't be bothered. They're just going to steal it off me if I don't get it for them anyway. And that what you were saying? I mean, I can't be bothered. They're just gonna steal it off me if I don't get it for them anyway. That's not happening. How are we feeling about aging at the moment?

Oh! How do I feel about aging? Well, I just got some additions to the family. Don't know if you've noticed. I noticed because you pulled your fucking top off a month ago and showed them to me quite starkly. What do you think? I was like, absolutely incredible.

Yeah, they look really incredible when I take my top off and my bra off, but there's definitely a contrast in age between my breasts and my face. I'm like, 40, 18, 40, 18. No, but this is when women who are getting older talk about the choice. The choice.

The choice, isn't it? Yeah, it's like a bum or face. So it's like, Trish always says it to me, if you get too thin, then your bum's gonna sag. If If you want to be a little bit like, you know, per and stuff, then you're going to have to let yourself get a little bit more overweight to be a bit more sort of useful. You've made a choice. We're talking about Lily's beautiful boobs. But yeah, I think, I think you've made a choice and it's to live in a juxtaposition, but I don't think your face looks like a person that shouldn't

have perfect boobs. You've always had perfect boobs. Yeah, I'm just thinking maybe I'll get the BBL next. I quite want the bum. No, we stop now. We stop now. Really? Really now? Tell me how you feel since you did something lovely for yourself. How do you feel? Since you did something lovely for yourself, how do you feel? I mean, there's a thing that happens, right, a few months after you get them, which is that they drop and fluff. So they're still quite high and they're still quite hard.

When they drop and fluff, they become like, you know, they feel like normal boobs. This is stage two, the drop and fluff. I love that. The drop and fluff. So I haven't got to drop and fluff yet. I'm very much looking forward to that. But I feel like, you know, it's really fun. I'm like, we're buying fancy lingerie

that my boobs can actually fit in and like, you know, taking pictures on my phone. Haven't sent them to anyone yet, but it will hopefully get there at some point. Yeah, I think you'll drop and fluff like May. Like deep spring about to be summer. On my 40th birthday, I'm gonna drop and fluff. Probably, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh my God, it is, yes, of course. We have a very big May coming up. Lily Allen is turning 40 now. Me turning 40 is like one thing. It's like, okay, whatever. She's black, she'll be beautiful and young forever. That's why. That's my hope.

But you. Yeah, what's the difference? Also, you're beautiful. And I believe you to have very deep Welsh stroke, like Greek or Italian or Mediterranean genes that you've always had. And you'll be fine, which is why you tan beautifully. But I'm talking about, you're actually like an iconic

worldwide person. So I think you're gonna get a fanfare that you weren't expecting. No, it's not, Lilly, it's not. And I think you're gonna get- You think I'm gonna get a what? A fanfare that you may not be expecting. What do you mean? Lilly Allen turns 40! Like it's gonna get a fanfare that you may not be expecting. What do you mean?

Lily Allen turns 40. Like it's gonna be a thing. I feel like the whole country is gonna like, it's gonna make people feel a certain way because you're so, you're such a part. It's gonna be like the Jubilee. People are gonna be baking cakes up and down the country. You never fucking know. You never know.

Go on then. I'm up for it. I'll go and do a little cake tasting tour of the UK if people want to bake cakes for me. I think you're going to be surprised by how fun 40 is as well. I'm obviously having a terrible week, but I've really enjoyed 40 so far. It's made me really like, let's get on with shit. No time for bullshit.

I think we have to stop talking because of the sirens that are going on. This is the downside of living in the end. Yeah, you're in the ends that I've been once in, which all we've got is a few robins flying by. And then there's a few robins happening around the corner. There you go. Okay, robins done. Let's take a break. I've got the shakes a bit. We'll see you after

the bloody break. Bye. What do Bridgerton actor Adjoa Ando, Nature presenter Rae Wynn Grant, and TikTok sensation Mama Seabes all have in common? They're all guests on Dear Daughters Stars from the BBC World Service. I'm Namulanta Kombo, and for the new series of Dear Daughter, I'm welcoming an all-star lineup to share stories of parenting in the spotlight. Listen now by searching for Dear Daughter wherever you get your BBC podcasts. Welcome back to Miss Me, the place where Lilliana has really decided to start eating in most episodes. It's quite sweet actually. She's having a biscuit. What is your biscuit today,

Lil? It's a ginger nut. Is it? It's a ginger nut. It's a ginger nut. Because I bought my nan, I bought my nan that biscuit tin behind me. I bought that fur for Christmas and it's like changed her biscuit life, which is actually quite a huge part of her life these days. So I felt like I really aced it on the biscuit. When you get to a certain age, it does become a big part of your life.

Yeah, like what biscuits am I having today? Yes, well, I wanted to say that we were talking about aging before and I have to say being with nanny, because my nan lives at my mom's, it's quite interesting being so close to someone in their last chapter and like, you know, her mind. Don't say that. But it is. She's 86. You don't know what technology they're going to come up with in the next few years.

You never know. I did watch this biohacking thing on the Kardashians yesterday and it was like this. Oh yeah, I saw that. What the fuck? Like, don't trust him. Run. Like run. If anyone looks like could look more like a murderer, please make yourself known. Is this what happens when you only eat the last meal? He eats his last meal. This is the what is his name? Can we find out his name, please? He's like done the most work with biohacking in the world and has applied it all to himself.

Brian Johnson is this man's name. Brian Johnson. Don't forget it. He'll be here forever. He's not dying anytime soon. He's giving like baddie in a sort of superhero movie energy. But yeah, would you be interested? In biohacking? Yes, in biohacking. And this is sort of ways to prolong the life. It's all quite joyless. Last meal at 11am. No, not really. Yeah. I mean, it's like, what is life at that point? Like, the things that I like doing in life are eating, smoking,

doing bad things. You're so vice-less. I don't know what you're talking about. A little bit of a vape every now and then is not that big a deal. You say that. But it is intense to be with Nani and it's more just her mind. And I don't really know what it's like when someone's mind's not working for them

in the way they used to. And I thought it would feel different. I thought it would be kind of bigger. And it's not, it's the little, little, little, little, little, little things again and again and again where you're like, and you get impatient. I kept getting impatient with her over the weekend. I was like, what the fuck am I doing? Can you imagine how painful it is for her to feel like she's not with it? And I know how important her mind's been to her her whole life. So that's one part of like extreme closeness to extreme

aging that I've been part of. But then I saw this fucking amazing Zadie Smith clip and I was just like, thank you for saying it. Let me show you her saying it because I won't say it. Let me let Zadie Smith say it. It's hard getting older. It's really, really hard. Tell me why. Because I love being young. And I'm really gonna miss it. I'm sure you get over it.

When I meet women, particularly in their later 50s and their 60s, there's a lot of joy returns. But I think the moment of transition is melancholy, for sure. I've always felt there wasn't enough time. And I've always kept extraordinarily busy thinking that I could beat time or... But you can't beat it. My thing is to try and reach acceptance but without pretending that it's easy. So I'm aware of it even as a kind of indulgence. but for me personally, I would like to accept time and also love it. I would like to love being an old woman and hopefully a wise old woman, like in a fairy story. How well put was that? How fucking honest was that?

Aging, particularly inconvenient if you get your validation from the attention of men, which I do. I think everyone does. I think a lot of females do. Yeah. Or from other people. They seem to like them young though, don't they? No, I don't think it's as simple as that. I don't think it's as simple as that. Oh, I think you'll find it is. I think you'll find it is.

No, because if you go back to adolescence, what I thought was really interesting is that what it was boiled down to, we were talking about bloody emojis, but what it really was coming down to was like his, this little child's fear of not feeling attractive to the other sex and what that really means to him about himself. And I thought, God, it starts so young or maybe it doesn't, God, it starts so young, or maybe it doesn't, maybe it now starts younger. But like, it's the rule of the planet, Lilly. It's not like your weird, nuanced shit.

Yeah, but older women can see the unattractiveness of men better than young, dumb women, which is why essentially men like them young and dumb, and, you know, potentially full of comps. That's why I said we're going. That's why I said we're going. Hopefully full of comps. God willing full of comps.

No, but that's why I think we're going older remember, when we were in Kenya we both had crushes on these two guys who were like straight up 65 and we both like, I quite like the one on the left, and you're like, I like the one on the right. We had a great afternoon for like them. That was nice. Yeah, but they will still leave you for a 20 year old. So like, don't get it twisted. Let's go back to what Zadie was saying, because she doesn't bring up men. She brings up how you felt for her.

Yes, I brought up men because personally, that's where I get my validation from. Zadie Smith is like very clever and like writes great books and doesn't need validation of men. I do because- I disagree. I think you like the adoration of the world, actually. You're right. Yeah, you're not wrong.

No, but in a really good way because like we were told very young that we were extremely young for what we were doing and it was very powerful and oh my god you're so young doing it and like really you. So that's I think we attach a lot of our validation with that, not just particularly men or the other sex. I think it's about we were told really young like this is your validation being young and doing what you're doing right now. That is like that's where it lives.

That's where it lived for me. And then 40 just was like, doesn't matter because I want to do completely different things now that I need to be 40 for. So is there anything you feel like you can do now that you are about to turn 40? Like you're going to have the courage and strength to do now that you're 40.

Look at my finances. Take responsibility for my money, which I haven't really done before. I don't look at my bank account and just wait until I've run out of money and then go like, ah, I'm going to make some. That's so funny. And you've never had trouble financially and I have. What are you talking about? I had to sell my house in the country to pay off a tax bill. Like, shut up. We've really been through the ring of financially. And that's why I've been in business school

for the last four years, essentially, learning everything I can about all of it. And it's really fun. And you're so smart. Like you blatantly know how to look after yourself financially so well. So it would just I think you'd actually find it really fun. I know but I just like buying things that are expensive. Yeah, you need to curb your Birkin buys but apart from that you'll be good. You're still a luxurious bitch. Yeah. But I think it's really interesting that Zayde says the other thing which is just like, I don't want to get old because I really like being young. Yeah, I mean, I hear that. And I really did. I liked being young. I remember being 18 and being at Jessie's house and thinking,

God, we really got to hold on to this because, you know, you know, I've always been worried about aging, even when we were teenagers. And I think it would be churlish of us now to not remember that we are still young for a little bit longer. Does that make sense? Just for this last bit, we still got a little minute of youth and gaiety and fun. I've had a fucking awful six months. So it's things need to like brighten up. Things need to really fuck up over here. Well, I'm going to go lie down and get under the covers and have a little cry. Yeah. That's okay. Yeah.

Mom said cry it out. But I do believe that this is happening for a reason. You can't be, you can't have such an explosion in your life and it not be for a bloody reason, right? Hmm. Okay, wrong crowd. I might ask someone else. You've got to say to me, of course, Makita,

you're on the path to something beautiful. Of course, babe. You're on the the path to something beautiful. Of course, babe. You're on the path to something amazing. Thank you. It's going to be amazing. So I'll see you on Monday for Listen Bitch. We'll be talking about menstruation and it's going to be bloody good. You got one?

You got a bad period joke segue, no. Okay, we'll just go with it's gonna be bloody good then. Thank you, Lily. Bye. Bye. Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver. This is a Persephoneca production for BBC Sounds.

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