Miss Me? - Duck, Duck, Pigeon

Episode Date: August 22, 2024

Lily Allen and Steve Jones discuss past encounters, T4 and endometriosis.This episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Details of help and support if you’ve been affected by anything in this episode are available at bbc.co.uk/actionline. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This is the BBC. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the UK. BBC Sounds. Music, radio, podcasts. This episode of Miss Me contains very strong language, adult themes and discussions about surgery and miscarriage that some listeners might find upsetting. setting. Hello, welcome to Miss Me everybody. I'm joined this week by a very special guest who goes by the name of Steve Jones. Hi Steve. Hello, hello, hello. An absolute joy to be here. Thank you for saying special, although I can't help but assume Makeda would have asked Simon Amstel then moved

on to Nick Grimshaw before settling on me. But I'm very happy to be here. No, no, you couldn't be more wrong. You were first choice. Well, thank you for saying that, but at the same time, I'm thinking of your listeners, because when you were on holidays recently, you called in your other half, super sub David Harbour, and everybody must be thinking, oh my God, who's Makita going to bring in? Ryan Gosling, Idris Elba, Who's he going to be? Steve Jones.

Oh, wow. The guy from the Sex Pistols. No, no, the presenter. Oh, yay. What a scoop. It's funny, actually, my stepdad, who I'm on holiday with at the moment, he thought it was going to be Steve Jones from the Sex Pistols. But I was like, no, as if. Of course. D. Steve Jones.

Thank you. Can I just flag as well how brilliant David was talking to Makita recently? I just thought it was brilliant and fascinating for a presenter to watch an actor that like unguarded, that loosey goosey because, you know, he's talking to a friend essentially because I interviewed David, uh, last year at the Monaco Grand Prix. Okay. He was with, uh, Orlando Bloom. Yeah. And that it's a different experience for obviously, because you know, you're about to interview

them and I can see that glint in his eye thinking, who is this guy? What is he going to ask me? And you know, the shields up essentially because, this guy? What is he going to ask me? And the shield's up, essentially, because what am I going to ask him? So I completely get it. But he was very charming, although keeping in mind, I was hosting Channel 4's Formula One coverage.

And I said to David, who are you here this weekend to support? Who's going to get the harbor bump? And he said, no one. I don't watch Formula One, which was perfect. Yeah, he's not big into sports. Often we'll go to see the, what do you call it, the bouncy ball, basketball in New York. And I'll ask him on the way, I'm like, who's playing tonight? The bouncy ball, yes. And he'll go, I don't know, we're just going for the vibes. He's not really like that into sports.

He doesn't know the name of any players of anything or anything like that. Neither do I. Although saying that we just got, maybe, are getting a new puppy in the next couple of weeks. And we, me and the girls have been thinking about a name and we've settled on Jude Bellingham. Perfect.

Little Jude. What kind of dog are you going to get? I can show you. It's a little chihuahua mix and it is very cute. Look at him. Hello little Jude Bellingham. Oh God. Be still my beating heart.

Absolutely adorable. You know, Lel, I know you're married to this gentleman, but you know getting a dog together is a hell of a commitment. Are you ready for that? You know what? We actually did adopt a dog together already, but then it ate my passport and so I took her back to the home. Got it. It ate your passport? That's a hungry dog. She ate all three of our passports and they had our visas in. And I cannot tell you how much money it cost me to get everything replaced because it was in COVID.

And so it was just an absolute logistical nightmare. And because the father of my children lives in England, I couldn't get them back to see their dad for like four months, five months, because this fucking dog had eaten the passports. And I just couldn't look at her. I was like, you've ruined my life. Yeah, she was also like, you know, passports weren't the only thing she ate. She was a very badly behaved dog. And I really tried very hard with her. But it just didn't work out. And the passports was this was the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak.

Can I ask you a nosy question? Please do. You know in the new passports, are you now Lily Harbour? Did you take your husband's name? No, and this is quite a bone of contention. I still have my ex-husband's name. Okay. Glad we brought that up. Because I've got two children with the man and it's hard to travel with children if you haven't got the same surname. And he wasn't that up for letting me change the kids names to Harbour. So I've kept my ex-husband's name and you know, David and I have joint bank accounts. And so it's quite annoying for him to have, you know,

me with my Amex card with my ex-husband's name on it. I'm sure that stings. Will Barron Yeah. I mean, for logistical senses that, yeah, that does make perfect sense. Although it's such a shame because Lily Harbour, that's just delightful. That sounds like a place I want to go to. Emma Cate Oh, thank you. Will Barron Yeah, solid. Shall we give a little bit of background as to where you come from

in terms of our connection to each other? So, Makeda Oliver is my bestest friend in the whole wide world, and you famously presented T4 with her in her early years of TV presenting. What was, you tell me what it's like having Makita Oliver as a colleague. Oh my goodness, where do you start? What can I say about Makita Oliver, aka Shaniqua, aka Chiquita, aka Shaniki, aka Keats? I tell you what, let's start with the positives. Let's

give that a go. Firstly, and I want to apologize to all the other presenters I've stood next to, but Makita Oliver is the best presenter I've ever worked with. I mean, she's, she's super intelligent, sharp, funny, irreverent, quick witted, nothing you don't already know, Lilly. And, you know, and she has that thing that all the best presenters have. She's not afraid to look like an absolute dick on camera when there's potential for laughs. You know, she's an absolute natural. I loved working with her. And when she's in the room on camera, she's incredibly professional. Yeah. The problem we had back in the T4 days was getting her in the room. Because here's the thing about Makita Oliver. Over that period, I should stress, Makita don't give a fuck.

She really doesn't give a shit. She's marching to the beat of her own drum. I think you'll agree with that, yes? Don't I know it, yeah. I would be sitting, literally sitting on the T4 couch opposite Tom Hanks, looking at my watch. You know, I'm sorry, Tom, I'm sure she'll be here shortly.

And she would turn up clearly directly from whatever squat party she'd been at. She'd absolutely nail the shit out of the interview and then go pass out in a dressing room. And yeah, the powers that be would get a little bit miffed. I was never annoyed. In fact, the exact opposite, because I was endlessly impressed because I'm kind of a stickler for the rules. I don't think I've ever been late in my entire life. And I remember thinking, this girl's a fucking rock star.

I love her. I love her. She's amazing. She's not exactly what you would call a people pleaser, I don't think. Absolutely not. In the best possible way. I mean, I love her so much. She's the absolute best, but she's just such a fascinating person. For instance, use an example. I remember a T4 on the beach, in the stairwell of this bar we were in, I caught her making out with the lead singer of The Pigeon Detectives.

No! I was so happy. I was like, yes, this is amazing. Yes, it's happening. I think I sent her pictures of various pigeons and fictional detectives like Columbo and Sherlock Holmes for about five years after that. It was so great. That's so funny.

She still gets annoyed when I bring it up now. So I remember those days. In fact, I think that's when I met you for the first time, would have been on a T4. I seem to remember you used to like drive around on a sort of double decker open top bus, is that right? Yes, I remember this. I remember first meeting your good self. It was at the V Festival.

You joined us as our runner circa 2003. Wow. And it was very clear to me you were only doing it for the tickets. It was pretty obvious. What do you mean? Was I not a good runner? I remember you rolling your eyes every time you were asked to make teas. And when they eventually did come, it was two hours later and they were piss cold.

I remember that. I also remember it getting really late to the day and our director wanted a runner and we're like, where's Lily? You'd fucked off to watch Hard Fight. I'm pretty sure it was Hard Fight. No, I don't think it would have been Hard Fight. But yes, I'm maybe probably. It was somebody but we were like, where is she? She's watching music. She's gone. She was never really here for the work. Yes, I remember those days. I mean, because my first song, I guess,

didn't come out until 2005, 2006. So it was before I was like singing publicly. So I was just sort of running around as Makita's mate. God, I loved those days. This is the crazy, crazy thing about that. You know, yes, you're our runner at V Festival, and then two years later, you just blew up. And we were like, holy shit, little did we know

we're in the company of a fucking superstar. You know, and it was amazing from a personal point of view to see the before and after with you rising to such massive prominence and success. And I think that was one of the things I loved most about being part of T4, is seeing these careers, be it a musician, an actor, a comedian, these careers just blow up before your very eyes. It was just awesome. It was a fabulous time. I was very lucky to be part of it.

Those were the days. Hey, speaking of runners, do you remember a runner called Gareth? Yes, he went on to be one of Russell Brand's script writers, I believe. Yeah, am I right in saying that? Yes, so I got off with Gareth back in the day, in those early T4 days. Wait a minute, I kind of remember this. I can't remember whether we had full

or whether it was just like a snog. But I feel like I stayed the night somewhere with him. And then yeah, more recently, I sort of like, I can't remember why because I'm not a big fan of Russell Brand, but I was watching one of his internet shows like one is it the trues or something. And Gareth popped up. He's like his his sidekick. Yep. Has he gone down that wormhole with him though? Is he now like a sort of. Has he gone down that wormhole with him though?

Is he now like a sort of new born Christian or whatever you call it? Yes, I saw the same footage I think, or at least a picture and he was in the background and I was like, holy shit, 2024, he's still hitched his start to that wagon. But yeah, I believe he's fully locked in. So good luck with that.

That's a good notch on my bedpost. Wait a minute. Was that like Lily Superstar Singer or Lily Runner? Lily Runner. We were both runners. He was a runner and so was I. We were the runner club. That's one of the things I love about this podcast. The level of honesty you and Nikita exhibit is extraordinary. It's kind of like a list of who you've shagged over the years. It's pretty wild stuff, I've got to be honest. It's a pretty long list. Mckita's is longer than mine. I feel like I've never really had a censor, so it didn't feel particularly revealing or like shocking that we're going to certain places on this podcast. However, it's the first time for me anyway, where people can

goodness quite often I'll talk in interviews or post things on social media and then those things will get reprinted or regurgitated but with no context. And with the podcast, people can hear why I say certain things, usually in response to something else that Meketa said. And for me, that's been really amazing, because it makes me look like less of a twat when it's sort of in the Daily Mail as an isolated quote of something, an insane opinion of mine. But yeah, I love it. I love doing this podcast. I really am enjoying it as medium.

And I think it's great. Lily, before you continue, can I just touch on something quickly? I remember about 15 years ago, driving through Marlbone and I saw you walking down the street and I pulled in and I was like, hey, what are you doing in my manor? And you just flat out just immediately went, I would just see my therapist. Now this is like 15 years ago.

I remember at the time thinking, holy shit, is she okay? She's seen a therapist. And I just think it's amazing now. There's no stigma at all to that. It's about becoming a better person. But I just thought about this the other day and I wanted to mention it to you to see if you'd remember. Do you remember that? I don't remember that, but I don't really remember much

because I was quite intoxicated about 15 years ago and it has messed with my memory somewhat. I don't really remember anything. In fact, my daughter was asking me, what was your favorite gig yesterday? And I was like, they all blended into one. I suppose Dastonbury was quite good. I can sort of remember the applause and feeling quite overwhelmed by it,

but I can't differentiate any concert from the next because I was just absolutely wasted for the whole thing. Is there any regret attached to that? Yeah, enormous amounts of regret. I feel I feel really sad for myself because I don't you know Remember what you know, a lot of people would consider to be the best parts of my life really. I suppose There's no reason why you can't do massive gigs again though. I'd need to write some good fucking songs, which doesn't seem to be happening at the moment. Yeah it's been a while now. We're going on like six years since your last album. I think I'm

speaking for most people when I say come on Lily let's do another album shall we please? Well you know what there is something happening in the very near future, I'm basically putting something out there. Fantastic. But it's not an album. Look at me. Guest host gets exclusive from Alan. Boom. Yes.

I hope people like it. That's exciting, Lily. I'm excited to hear it. Yes. Yeah, I don't remember the Marlabone Exchange. Well, can I just say for all you completists out there who are like, hey, what's the end of this story? You know, what happened?

Essentially, I offered Lily a lift. I said, is there anywhere I can take you? You want to go? And Lily politely declined. There you go. That's it. End of the story. You were like, no, no, I'm good.

Thanks. Imagine if it had been, and then we went to a hotel room and had sex and I was completely forgotten. Yeah, that would not make me feel good. You really don't remember? No, you completely slipped my mind. No one could be that intoxicated, surely, he said, trying to protect his fragile feelings.

You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised. Anyway, shall we go to a break? Let's have a break and then we'll get back into the Stummi, yeah? Yeah. Makita Oliver is in... Where is she? Where is she, by the way? Where does she go on holidays? She's gone to France with her friend, Jesse.

You know Makita really doesn't like traveling. She doesn't like leaving London. This is why I asked. I used to have a house in the countryside and she'd come down there for the weekend, but she would like leave after sort of five hours. She just can't really handle being out of her zone of control. Shall we call it?

She's actually done a little bit of traveling over the past year or so, which is a good thing, I think. That's great. I genuinely don't think I know anybody who loves London more than Meketa. I know. It's a great city and I'm happy she has that love for it. But at the same time, you gotta travel.

That's where the mind becomes enlightened, in my opinion. You gotta go places, meet other cultures. That's how you become, you know, a better person, I think. Interesting that you say that. Where do you like to go when you are on holiday? Oh, just relaxation wise, what's your number one thing to do? I'm not a very good holiday relaxer. I'm not a big fan of lying on the beach. I like to move around. I like to experience things. So I'm more likely to head to somewhere like Tokyo and just getting involved in the mayhem of that city. I like to travel to places that when I get off the plane it feels like I'm on another planet.

I just don't even really like sunbathing that much. I just get like irritated like sitting there and it's hot. Yeah, me neither. It's just boring and and and frankly it's too hot. Too hot. Too hot. I was I was saying recently the the F1 my my day job every country we go to now is nuclear hot. Yeah. So my job is basically the director telling me to stand in direct 45 degree heat sunlight for like four hours straight. That must be quite fun being on the F1 circuit. It's extraordinary. I love it. I've been incredibly lucky. I don't know how the hell I ended up becoming a sports presenter. I had no intention of it, but it is an extraordinary circus.

It's ridiculous. It's engaging. It's exciting. It's all those things that you'd expect it to be. And it has to be because I've been doing it for, this is my ninth season now. So yeah, I'm locked in. I absolutely love it. It's a privilege to be part of it. How does it compare to doing X Factor in America?

I almost spat out my drink. There is no comparison. Was it in, filmed in LA? Yes, that was the best thing about it, is living in Los Angeles. I love LA. It's probably one of my favorite cities in America. I know everybody loves New York, but I'm like, nah, fuck New York, it's all about LA. Love the sunshine. Oh my God, I couldn't feel more different to you. I hate LA so much. I feel like when I land, my self-esteem dips at the same pace as the plane coming into the runway. It's interesting. So much. I feel like when I land, my self-esteem dips at the same pace as the plane coming into

the runway. It's literally like the same thing. It's like, oh, and she's gone. Yeah, I find it vacuous and soulless and horrible. And also I think, you know, I behaved pretty badly in LA over the years and I'm sort of haunted by that experience. But in contrast to New York, which I love because there's so much culture there, there's so much theater, art exhibitions. That's it, actually. A couple of bookshops. Yeah. New York for me, it's like too bloody hot, too bloody cold. Everybody's super aggressive.

And by the way, LA, you nail it, it's all those things. But there's a part of me that would rather be around fake, happy people than genuinely miserable people. Did you go to LA with your wife? No, that was the one fantastic thing that came out of X Factor. I met her when I was filming X Factor, just in a bar in LA. She was there and we

started talking and I think about six months later she moved in with me. I worked for another year I think in LA. I remember reaching my absolute breaking point. I was doing a stint on Entertainment Tonight and there was a story where I was covering the fact that Justin Bieber had just bought a new mattress. And I thought, I'm probably going to kill myself. I cannot do this. So I went home. I said to P, I love you, but I've got to go home.

I can't do it anymore. Would you come with me? And she said, yes. And here we are 13 years later, about to celebrate our 10th anniversary next month. So she's American? She's American. She's from Las Vegas.

Okay. Now, so we've got that in common. Our spouses are both American. We're transatlantic relationship people. Yes, exactly. I asked you before, we did a little preamble before this show and I asked you if there's anything that you wanted to particularly talk about and as we're

on the subject of your wife, it seems apt to follow that up with, you wanted to talk a bit about endometriosis which I'm really pleased you brought up because I don't really know much about it and you and your wife have been through this experience. So tell me a little bit about that. Well, yeah, it was a baptism of fire. When I first met Felicia, she told me about it because without getting too graphic, she had to explain this huge scar on her belly. She was like, I got quite a big scar on my stomach. And I was like, yeah, it's fine. Who cares? No biggie. And I saw her, I was like, wow, that's, that is a big scar. What, what, what's that from? And she essentially has had endometriosis her entire adult life. And that was one of the first big operations she ever had. And

it's basically been a continuation of that ever since I've known her for the last 13 years. She's, she's been through so much. It's, it's just absolutely crazy what she's put her body through, you know, how she's handled it, you know, with such dignity and stoicism. But I tell you what I should do is for anybody who is listening, um, and I assume a lot of your listeners will be painfully aware of what endometriosis is, but for anybody else I'll explain it's essentially when bloody cysts grow where they should not inside your body and they can pretty much grow anywhere. But in Felicia's case, they attacked her ovaries, fallopian tubes, basically her reproductive system.

And the only way to get rid of these cysts, it's through incredibly invasive surgery. Felicia currently tallies at eight. She's at eight surgeries. And annoyingly, they're essential because endometriosis can make periods incredibly painful. I've had to take Felicia to a hospital numerous times trying to find respite from the pain. I remember not so long ago being at Paddington Hospital rubbing her back as she vomits into a bin in the foyer. She's in that much pain.

It's absolutely brutal to watch somebody you love go through that. And one of the side effects of endometriosis is that these surgeries over time, it can lessen your chances of having kids. And that's what's happened to us. So we went down the route of multiple IVF treatments and they did not work. Well, one did, we came close, but it ended in miscarriage. It was ectopic. So Felicia had to have two more surgeries to fix that. And in amongst all this, Felicia was still suffering horribly with period pains. I mean, utterly debilitating. And it looked like she would need another operation to remove a buildup of the cysts. I mean, like a big operation. They would need to open her up again.

And it would take weeks, maybe even months to to recover from. So it was then we we turned to America and found a guy called Dr. Seidhoff at C. le Sinai, who is a MIGS, which essentially means minimally invasive gynecological surgeon. And this is an incredible operation. It's laparoscopic, which essentially means it's done through keyholes. So it's, as I said, minimally invasive. And he had the skill set to get in there, blitz everything.

He got rid of the buildup of cysts, sealed her fallopian tubes, he even removed her appendix, deeming it a health risk. And after the surgery, Felicia had her first pain-free period ever. And that was two years ago and she's still pain free, which is obviously an absolute joy. But sadly, that final operation was the last straw on Felicia's reproductive system. And now we officially cannot have children, which of course is really, really tough.

What she put her body through in the pursuit of trying to start a family, I would not wish it on anybody. But my take is she's a superhero, not like the dumb shit in the movies. I mean, like an actual legitimate superhero. I love her with kids, without kids, I'll take it anyway. I can get her. I'm really sorry that you and Felicia have had to go through that experience. Thanks Lily.

It's been tough, but we're getting there. Felicia's still in mourning for the family we'll never have. It's been a tough, tough time, but we're getting there. Just to clarify, it's something that keeps coming back. So it's not just like you get symptoms, have an operation and it goes away. They keep growing. Keep growing. If you're very unlucky, ironically, one of the things that really helps keeping endometriosis

at bay is pregnancy to help get rid of it. But obviously we didn't get that far. But yeah, they can come back. I mean, there's so much unknown about the origin, where they come from, what causes it. It's a really weird, nebulous thing. And I read recently someone said if this was a problem men faced, it would be fixed by now. And you know that's true. Yes, that's doesn't sound too far fetched at all. Yeah. I'm sure you're right. Well, thank you for sharing that with us, because I'm pretty sure that, you know, well, as you said, 1.5 million people are suffering with it. So I'm sure

many people will be listening to you talk about it today and be relieved that somebody's bringing it to the forefront or at least trying to have a conversation about it. I didn't really know much about it, to my shame. So I'm glad to feel better informed about something. And I'm really sorry. I'm sorry that you've had to go through that journey. That sounds really, really tough. I appreciate you giving me the platform to talk about it. My absolute pleasure. Did you see the Edinburgh Fringe this year? Did you see the jokes? I do catch the articles in the paper. You know, they have like the list of the funniest jokes at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, then they generally crown it with the funniest, terrible way to absorb a joke, reading it

in black and white. They never seem particularly funny. Well, I can tell you that Mark Simmons' ship gag was picked by the public as the best joke from the festival this year. 40% of the public surveyed from a shortlist drawn up by festival judges and the joke is, I was going to sail around the globe in the world's smallest ship but I bottled it. Is that a joke?

It feels more like a witticism to me. I feel like that was in the pun section though. Yeah, it feels more punny which is not a great comedy place to be a pun. Am I correct in thinking that you do a little bit of stand-up, Steve? Little is the operative word. I've done two gigs earlier this year. I think one gig was in front of 300 people, the other was in front of 100.

And essentially it came about where a friend of mine is a comedian, she approached me and said, look, I'm doing a gig, I think you could be quite good at it. Do you fancy doing a 10 minute set? Uh, I immediately said no, cause it was terrifying. Uh, put the phone down and then I started thinking about it in the sense that, wow, Steve, I mean, that's a new feeling for you being scared to do something, um, creative like that, you know,

because I've been on TV now for 25 years. It's not something I get nervous about, but it did terrify me. So I picked up the phone, rang her back and said, I'm in. And I bloody loved it. I really, really did enjoy it. And I've been working on a new set since. And yeah, I'm going to start hitting a few bars in London in the coming weeks. Did you just start writing some jokes or did you have to like study the art of stand up?

How did you how did you approach it? I did exactly as you put it. I just started writing some jokes. I put them past my friend, Andy, Andy Osho. She's an actress now, but she started off as a comedian and she was like, this is great stuff. I knew this would work. Yeah. Keep me know. Give me little tips here and there. Tweak this, tweak that.

And yeah, I just went up onto the stage at a 10, 12 minute set, just performed it. And it went well. And I thought that was great. Let's do some more. And I did another gig a few weeks later in Brixton. That went well. And I thought, I'm gonna do a bit more of this.

I've written a new set. I'm speaking to people. So I'm gonna start gigging here and there. Little venues across London. Hopefully people will be nice and not film it I'm speaking to people, so I'm going to start gigging here and there. Little venues across London. Hopefully people will be nice and not film it because obviously I am trying out material and some of it is kind of edgy. I wouldn't want my mother to see it, but it's another opportunity to be creative and it's

scary and it's exhilarating. So yeah, I'm going to do a bit more of it. Yeah, I think scary and exhilarating is great. I'm a big advocate of being absolutely terrified of what you're doing. I think it reads very well. So I think you should just book yourself in at the Edinburgh Fringe for next year. Wouldn't that be amazing? I mean, I'd love to work on my material first, but you know what? Why the hell not? Shoot for for the stars as they say you know one day who knows coming to a comedy club near you steve jones well the guy from the sax pistols

that's a good joke do you have a favorite joke that you'd like to tell me in context on this podcast um if you tell me your your best joke i'll tell you my best joke. Okay. My, one of my all time favorite jokes is it's pretty, it's, it's filthy. It's, it's kind of gross. I'm all ears. How do you stop a dog from shagging your leg? I don't know. Give it a blow job.

It's terrible. It's so gross. I just love it. I don't know why I just, I just love it. It's very simple. It's terrible. It's so gross. I just love it. I don't know why. I just love it. It's simple. Mine is simple too, but I'm going to fuck it up. I just have to remember it quickly because it's... Okay. Man comes home from the pub and he's walking across the field to his house. He's got a duck under his arm and he walks into his kitchen, his missus is there, she's got dinner out.

And he walks into the kitchen and he says, this is the pig I've been fucking. And she says, that's not a pig, that's a duck. And he says, I wasn't talking to you. Oh fucking hell. That went up a notch. Yeah, that's good. That's very good. I think the build up was not great. I need to, I need to work on my delivery. I'm not a stand up comedian yet. It was good. The other weird thing, I don't know if Will,

your wonderful tech guy who's just over there heard it, but when you said duck, cause my house is on a lake, a duck quacked outside. No way. I don't know if the mic picked it up, but that wasn't added. A duck actually quacked when you said duck under the arm quack quack quack that was insane will do we get it oh my god that is bonkers so there you go a little perfect meant

to be excellent on that note i think we're going to wrap it up you're going to join me for listen bitch on monday which the theme is rage rage okay that's going to be an interesting episode for me because I'm all sunshine. I'm not a rageful person. So that's going to be interesting. Are you rageful, Billy? Am I rageful? Depends. There are a few days building up to my menstruation where I can be particularly rageful. I'm excited already. This has been phenomenal talking to you. So I'm so chuffed I get to come back for one more hit, one more bite of the apple. All right. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Steve. Lots of love. Lots of love.

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