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Episode Date: December 15, 2025

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We use the C word and it ain't Christmas. Welcome to Listen, Bitch. Welcome to our Holy Spaces. You know that I'm actually burning frankincense. Cool. Have you got any mur? What's the third one?

Gold. Gold, that's it. I like gold. Were you ever a wise man in the nativity? I bet you were. I can remember who I wasn't a nativity. I feel like I was probably like a star. Like I think I was just stood there holding a star at the back.

You know what I mean? like the North style or whatever. Enforced stillness. I've got more vivid memories of my school's version of a Christmas carol than actually nativity. Who were you? I think I played Scrooge, I'll be real. Wow.

I think I played Scrooge, and I think a kid who kind of bullied me played the ghost of Christmas past. So he was like, I'm going to fucking get you. That terror was real, bro. Let's have. It's such a great story. God, I love Dickens,

and I love that we've called this, theme for this week's Listen Bitch, Christmas Listen Bitch, 2025, in honour of beloved Charles Dickens. Great Christmas Expectations. If you haven't seen great expectations, it's interesting, it's not particularly a Christmas story, but it's such a great story. I think it's one of my favourite stories of all time. There's so many twists, so many great characters.

It's classic Dickens. Have you read it? I think I started it when I was younger I don't think I finished it I just liked Oliver Yeah, that's Dickens Awful Dodger, it's just a great name Doesn't he write a great character

And Miss Havisham has stayed in the fears of all women Around the world for millennia No one wants to be Miss Havisham I should probably go back and read Dickens again actually As an adult I think it'll be really cool Me too But we're not Dickens We're not Dickens

This is Miss Me with just the Dickens energy Welcome Dilisovich Let's have our first questions on your great Christmas expectations. We're here to help. Hi, this is Deitha from London. When I was much younger, my mum really couldn't be bothered with any sort of Christmas tradition. So all through my youth on Christmas Day, she'd be like, what should you fantasy eating? Shall I make a stir fry? Very like low ambition and low effort Christmas. A lot of like weird sort of half-baked charity shop presents and stuff. I felt very let down by this. It just felt like there wasn't even like, oh, our tradition is to have a Christmas stir-free.

right. It was just like, I've made lentil and rice. My mom was totally chill about me going and spending Christmas Eve up with like some friends or something. And immediately kind of a little bit bereft at the fact that everyone's Christmas was like as advertised on TV. And yeah, I was just wondering like, what are the things that you would expect from Christmas and be absolutely horrified to not receive? People, I'd say, I found those Christmases with just me and my mum very hard. Even my mum did try and have her own traditions, which were waifs and strays always allowed. Christmas orphans. It's very my mum and your mum to like be like, who else needs some help? I've been a Christmas orphan. I rocked up to one friend's family Christmas. I didn't know who was going to be there.

So I bought like 15 wind-up dolphins. And when it got to the present giving, I was like, damn, this is going to be mad awkward because everyone else is getting like personalised gifts. Mekita, I got everybody to open the gifts at the same time. went down a storm. They fucking loved it. Instant dolphin racing competitions. The table was cleared. People were taking bets.

It says a lot about who you are. You're very good at giving people things they don't know they need yet. They definitely didn't need that. But you know what's so funny is I also have a memory. I'm like really easily impressed by like small... I just, I'm very grateful for anything, to be honest.

But the reverse happened too. People who knew I was coming for Christmas didn't really know what to get me. One person was like, oh, I'm really sorry, Jordan. I just didn't want to get you. So I just got you this little light that lights a bat signal on a wall. And I was like, unbelievable. Absolutely love the fact that I could just shine a bat signal on this wall.

I was just walking around the house, just going, boop, do you're very entertaining. Easily understand. There's a, you're saying about the advertised family Christmases. I think I've had Christmases that look like that and I've had Christmases that don't look like that. and I think accepting, you know, where my mum was at each year was quite a big part of Christmas and sometimes my mum earned money very sporadically so sometimes maybe two or three, she had some money

so she really tried and I really, really respected that and, you know, she got Sandra to paint the whole house one year in all these multicoloured jewel tones. It really made Christmas beautiful. She really did try, but then when we would go to the cherries then my envy would kick in and I would be like, oh, we don't have it like this and I think if you go to other people's houses, it's actually

like looking at other relationships. It's really good to look at it and be like, this is beautiful. I love that you guys do it like this and you have all this and I can experience it a bit rather than you have this and I don't have this. Yeah, comparison. What's it? Thief of Joy, big time. Thief of Christmas joy. It is the thief.

I really don't like that element of it too. Also, you know, sorry, this is unpopular, but I'll get down with this person's mum. She sounds chill to me. Lentals and rice, no, I'd be pissed off. No stuff right for me. Like, whatever, man. Not everyone has to do this shit.

Like, the pressure's crazy. You don't have to eat what they tell you to. You don't have to dress the house how they tell you to. You don't have to. No, I know you don't have to. But what is it that you think we crave about tradition? Because there is something quite unifying about it. And there's this.

It's just being part of something greater than us, isn't it? It's like not wanting to feel excluded. Whereas me, as an only child most of my life, that's just like my natural space as home to me. Exclusion. If I was in a non-Christmassy house, I'd be like, this feels normal. So, no, no. Now I understand why it's brought something different going out with someone that has a family

where this is really, you know, a poignant time. And that makes sense to me now. Yeah, I get it. They still call me a Scrooge or Grinch. They still call me that. What, Jay's family? Yeah, they all do. There's elements of it.

I'm like, this is really cool. And there's elements where I'm like, me, you know. But we did do a thing last year. It was in Waterloo, some like experience. And it was incredible. You know, like an interactive, immersive, going to the North Pole, continuing the feeling of magic. Like, I do understand that. Did I tell you, I got dragged to Wind of Wonderland by Lily?

and the kids last week. It's gone downhill from what I've heard. Hasn't it? Hasn't it just? I don't want to cuss them out because the VIP room was really quite nice. Why was it nice?

But you know why it's nice? Because Winter Wonderland is such a nightmare. So we were just excited that there was this room we could go to to like breathe and then they made us all hot chocolate

and Ethel and Marnie were there with like seven of their friends. There was a lot of hot chocolates to be made and then me, Lily and our friend Olivia. But I just, again, it's like bonfire, like too modernised, too much techno.

I was like, where's the folk music? Where's the paganism? It's not a winter wonderland. I just lights. We went to another thing about lights last year in Newcastle. There's a big light this way. That was great.

I loved that. I love the celebration of light. It's like if I was sat in a room full of fairy lights and someone made me a stirre, I'd still be buzzing about it. Okay. And maybe deeper, if your mom is still with us

and you still celebrate with her, maybe bring her something that would make it more Christmassy for you and then your worlds can combine. Your worlds can collide. Give her a mince pie. Love a mince pie, me. That's up there for me in Christmas.

That's top three for me in Christmas, a mince pie. Let's have another question. Hi, Jordan and Micita. It's Jen here from London. I come from a family of two older brothers who are like 10 and 7 years older than me. I'm in my early 20s, they're in their 30s.

And we haven't done proper presents, like stockings and tree presents for years, like since I was a kid. And instead, we do a present game where you basically buy a present for five quid. You re-gift an old present and you have to make a present. And then everyone like swaps presents and it's like this huge game and you all swap around. And it's fun. But every single year, I still feel like I'm missing out on getting like regular presents.

I mean, I do that with my friends. So it's not like the biggest thing. But every year I get my hopes up. But I just wondered, what are your views on presents? Do you do big gifts? Do you not see the point in them? Do you get your hopes up for something really good? Let me know. I'm a big fan of the podcast. Bye. Thanks, babe. I don't really get my hopes up anymore. I do get quite good presents, but I don't think it's a time to sort of expect to be like, oh, I wonder what I'm getting. I'm too old for that. But I do like giving. Mom's got money now.

So she's really sweet with buying people's presents. She's really organized. She starts early. And I know that's because she never could. Yeah, I do like the idea of getting gifts. What I don't like is forcing a gift. Who would you force? Well, people have to get gifts, especially I'm having the big Christmas. You might be getting a gift and you're not 100% sure what that person might want or need. And like, yeah, maybe you might nail it and that person has something they didn't realize they needed.

Also, a lot of times when people are like, this is cool and then it gets put in the corner. Do you have to buy presents for like Jade's dad? Yeah, I will get him something little, but again, he's an easy one to buy for. To be fair to Jay's family, the majority. of like smaller gifts are very practical. Things you can eat, things you can, puzzles you can solve. I love that shit. That is the good shit to give at Christmas, I think.

In my immediate circle, so let's say like Jade, my mum, my dad, my immediate friends, Harley, whatever. I get people stuff throughout the year. This is the thing. If I see something or if I have access to a brand and they're like, you know, they're happy for me to, oh yeah, do you mind if I grab this for my friend or if I'm in a shop and I see something called like I'll literally buy that and give it to the person.

Throughout the year gifting. Throughout the year, yeah. I give my mum and dad stuff all the time. So it's like odd that suddenly like I'm up for critique if I haven't like given them a thing at this day, at this time wrapped up in this paper. I'm like, well, what about all? But it does feel good.

I got my nan a biscuit tin two years ago. That's great. I think I talked about Miss me last year. And she's still having a good time. Yeah, true. Still having a good time. She's still coming back going, just get my biscuits.

I'm going to put some ginger ones in today. I'm like, yeah, you play. You have fun with that tin. Okay, fair, fair. When I was younger, I remember I saved up And I really nailed it with my mum. I got my mum an Al Green album one year, which she absolutely loved. And then another year I got her a pair of gold shoes, which she loved.

Oh, wasn't that a lovely time where you could buy people music? A CD! Do you know what? I had the best idea for a Lily Allen present, talking about what the fuck to get someone who has everything. And I had the best idea. I guess I can say it because I can't do it. But it was the BBC adaptation of the Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe that we used to love.

I mean, it's absolutely amazing. I wanted to, like, send it to her. And I was like, what am I going to do? Buy the DVD. She doesn't have a DVD player. And I got quite, I felt a bit sad. I think I mourned the idea that you could send people something to watch. Yes, you should be mourning that idea.

What am I going to do? Send her a link. It's not very Christmas. Send her an E present. Yeah, it doesn't feel the same. It doesn't feel the same. There are presents that I got that I still remember, like, when I got magic theatre from my auntie Lee, Portsmouth, 92.

and it was so good. You had these sticks with these magnetized characters in this theatre and you, I mean, it was bullshit, but I was so happy. Yeah, that's cool. Like my mum's boyfriend, Graham, got me two CDs and a boom box. Oh my God, that was a good Christmas. And the two CDs were, Mary J. Blige, what's the 4-1-1, first voice to men album.

I remember getting music a lot. I remember my mum getting me albums for Christmas and that would make me happy because obviously I'd like the artist and then that would be a moment where I'd get the album. That I remember. And Emma would know how to do that. Emma would know to get the right shit. Yeah, I can't really remember.

I mean, my mum and dad are probably going to be fuming with me, not being able to remember. But I just, I get a lot of books, which, you know, I loved books as a kid. I really, I kind of. Is there pain in your Christmas past? I just think in my mid-teens, I was acutely aware of how little money me and my mom had. So I would ask that she wouldn't get me anything because I would rather we didn't feel like we were about to collapse financially

than how I just appease some kind of societal idea of Christmas. But having said that, and you know my mum, she's pretty like fuck the system. She would always get me something or little gifts or something. She very much loves giving presents and as sweet. But, you know, I didn't want a stocking after a certain while. I think when I met Jade, that's the first time I had a stocking in 10 years, like eight years from her mum.

But what about before? The memories I remember, it's more to do with like the experiences I shared with the people, never really the presents. Yeah. I remember me and my cousins staying in a room at my grand's house before she died. She had a house on Victoria Road. And that felt magical because I remember legitimately believing that a reindeer had taken a bite out of this mince pie. Let's just sit in that because childhood is the last time that you can allow yourself to stay in something and believe it so truly.

Like, I believed he had come. Father Christmas was here. I don't mean to be a Scroogeer. Can I just say? You think he's creepy. You think a man coming down the chimney's creepy. I do think it's weird that we're okay with that. At night time in children's bedrooms.

Yeah. One thing cute thing my mum did was she used to get flour. Do you know about this? And she would get a boot. In our council flat, we had like an old chimney. It wasn't working, but it had the shape of it. And she would like get footprints, white footprints from the chimney. Some of the side of my bed, that's really cute.

That is so sweet. That is so sweet. I'll say one more Christmas memory because this one's hilarious. We had Christmas in Brighton at this point. And my mom was cooking for me, my dad and my dad's mum, my grand, my granny V, but my grand turned up and she was at this point starting to lose the ability to walk properly. So I remember her hobbling

through the front door and my mum said to me, Jordan, Jordan, quick, play some music on a high-fi, so it's not just all the attention on my grand struggling to walk through the door. And I was like, oh, okay, what do I play? She goes, I'll play that new album I bought. The new album she'd bought was Plan B's first album, right? Damn. She'd heard one song, no good, on

a Mojo compilation and bought the album hadn't pressed play yet. For those of you who happened to be fans of Plan B's first album, Who Needs Actions When You Got Words? The first line of this album is, it's my time now, you get me, you fucking cunts. So my grand has hobbled into the door. My mum's looked at me, I don't fucking know.

So I had to flick the hyphen. You did not say specifically track three. Fortunately, Nina Simone was the next on the high phone. Christmas break. Let's go to a break. Welcome back to this. Jingle, jingle, jingle, bing-a-ding-ding-ding-ding-ding-ding-ding-ding-ding-ding. Actually, sound machine, can I have the sound of a reindeer flying in the sky with bells on?

Okay, ready? You ready? Whoa, dude, this is crazy. We're going through the sky. What? No, but I also see reindeer as like surfer dudes. What is that? Dude, this is crazy. Every year we're delivering so many presents, bro. Okay, welcome back. Can we have another question, please?

Hi, Mickey, and Jordan, Tilly from Grey Rainy London. Thank you for doing this every week, because it really makes my week. I was wondering if you have the same conflict as me. I love Christmas. I love coziness, the family time. the lights. But I also want to hibernate. Like I have this real innate need to hibernate. So do you feel this conflict too? Do you feel this like these massive expectations of parties and stuff? And you want to do that. But you also really just want to turn in and get cozy. All right. Thanks guys.

Welcome to my life. That's my whole life. That's not just Christmas. I love hibernating. And I'm in constant conflict about how ambitious I have and how much I want to. do things in the world and how much I just want to get under the covers. Yeah, man, it depends what it is. One of the things I've enjoyed as I've got older is I just feel less bothered about missing things. We have one major party that you're obviously

coming to. What do you mean? The Lily Christmas Party. Jade's also having a Christmas party coming to that. Yes, I'm coming to that as well. So we actually do have some Christmas plans. You can go to the Christmas party and leave. We have to find a balance between showing up for people we love, which is a thing, because I know from seeing it from Jade's perspective and

with my birthday, which is not technically Christmas but when you have a party like fuck me do you need people to turn up even if it's for a brief amount of time can't be letting people down so I say turn up to the party check the vibes and then when it's polite leave you know I've learned that from you yeah you and jade come to most things in the family and then you're kind of gone I'm like oh yeah they're they did their classic two hours and then they're gone because they're done maybe we're all done yeah it's just I don't know like sometimes you know sometimes the vibe will take us somewhere else but it's like I really want show up for people I love, but in some environments

I get a bit overstimulated. I've heard this a lot from people recently. Ellie was here the other day and she was so tired, bless her and she's been having a nightmare with her flat and she really wanted to just go home and watch the P. Diddy documentary, Sean Coom's documentary. She was like, I've got to go have drinks

with all my girls. Got to go have drinks with all my girls. We were all figuring out like, oh should you just stay? And then I said, why don't you just go for an hour? She was like, oh right, yeah. There is that thing. I think if people feel like they've left the house, they've got to commit and, like, get fucked up. And, like, it's actually, I've been learning this with not drinking.

I love going to things and then coming home and it's like, oh, that was done, but I can still have my hot chocolate. But this goes into what you were saying the other week about parisocial, because I would argue that if we didn't have pseudo-connection when we got home. No, I make a conscious decision. If I'm not going to something, I refuse to come home and sit on Instagram and watch other people going to things. I'm like, read a book.

Read a world of interiors. But I do have to sometimes say to myself, no, man, I think it. it's good to enrich the spirit, go out. Okay, so McKenzie's one of my best friends, also formerly Makita's trainer, but McKenzie's mom is best friends of Makita's mom. That's how I met McKenzie through you, Makita, thank you. And he has these parties for his birthday, of course,

his son's birthday, and then Christmas. What's really fascinating is that me, who would previously be a little bit shy about having a birthday party, but it was through going to McKenzie's parties where I realized that there's something incredibly special about an excuse to see a group of people that you're with, especially if there's a slight extension because, and I hate to say it,

but you actually don't know what's going to happen. I don't like mean to cast like a scary tone or anything, but there was one particular occasion where McKenzie lost someone very close to him a couple of years ago and he had a party a couple of months before this happened. And if he hadn't have thrown that party, 80% of us wouldn't have seen that person again. Do you know what I'm saying? Right. And that has actually completely rewired my approach to,

parties and going to parties. And I'm not saying this so people need to feel panicked and pressured to go to everything but it's just like, I don't know man. It changes the urge to spend time together. Absolutely, we lost our wonderful Pam Hogg a few weeks ago

and it's been really, really hard for the family and so many people around this country are mourning her and it made me feel different about like me and Grimmie's Christmas plans. He was like, we need to do something Christmas yet. I was like, no, we actually need to make sure we spend some time together.

puts things into perspective for Tilly the answer is I think is absolutely completely understandable especially nowadays with the intensity of everything to want to just hibernate and get away but I do think it's our responsibility as human beings to continue to exercise our communal desire it's good for us do a little bit about... Yeah you've got to have the balance

how can we say penultimate in a Christmas eweigh the Eve, the question Eve oh yes exactly yes exactly what becomes before Christmas Day Christmas Eve so can we have our penultimate question or our question Eve Question Eve. We have a question from someone that wanted to be anonymous,

but she wanted to ask our opinion on expectations around being alone for Christmas. I have engineered what feels like my perfect Christmas after separating from a partner of 17 years earlier this year. I get to have my beautiful children with me in the run-up and for Christmas morning. We've planned a gorgeous Christmas Eve and morning, which is super low-key and full of enjoying each other's presents.

My kids then head to their dads for a big extended family meal and evening. I can relax into the knowledge that they will have a festive family time. And then I get to go home, put my pajamas on and spend all afternoon watching Christmas films with my cats. No big family time, cooking or stress. I'm happy. However, friends and family who I've shared this plan with are very sweetly worried about me being alone, which is full of love, as meant I've had to reassure them that I'll be okay. Am I in denial? Have I chosen a path of misery? I'm confident I haven't,

but why do you think most people are so attached to being with others for Christmas Day? This really brings something that I saw in and just like that, the Sex and the City Spinoff, there was this whole episode about not being alone but being by herself and it was, I'm not alone, I am on my own and I really started

to think about the difference between the two so that just made me think about that. I think that would be good for you to think about what the real difference is between being on your own and alone. Yeah. I would say cut out the white noise. When Phoebe, my cousin Phoebe moved to France every mother or father that she told at the school gates

got really weird with her and a bit killing it with questions like where will you live? How will you make money? Phoebe had an answer for every question. It didn't matter. Phoebe and her family were doing something different and it made the other people look at their lives. If you're doing something different, I'm happy with my cat. My kids are happy. People are going to come for you a little bit

because it just makes them look at what they're doing. She's done both. She does Christmas morning. Job done. Sit down, relax. I've had it myself. Let's be honest. When I told you that I spent their last Christmas alone, you felt a little, you're like... I judged you.

So I'm on board. I think people should have the freedom to do what they want. Christmas can be a very complex time. Firstly, not everyone has a lot of money. So there's a lot of pressure, right? So I don't want people to feel that pressure. Secondly, some people have lost people really close to them and that first, second, third Christmas is fucking hard.

You know, the fact that everybody is promoting this idea of seasonal joy. Some people are fucking sad. Some people just need to feel grief for Christmas. Like, that's okay. And then third, and I'd love your input on this. I hear, and I might be wrong, she's been in the marriage of 17 years,

or relationship, sorry, with kids, and she's found a way to relinquish her responsibility at Christmas. Is Christmas for a large majority of mothers, specifically, just a time of absolute burden? That's the question we've got to ask. Is that the case, Keith? The women in my lives I see take on so much more burden

than in their relationships. And when something like Christmas comes up, You know that shit's on them. And I think maybe a lot of people do take that on. Like I know a lot of women that want it to be the way they want it. So they're like, I'd rather he didn't get involved because I want it like this. But I think that's a reaction to the burden, trying to control it. I love what this woman's done.

To provide balance, you know, Jade is definitely looking forward to cooking in a Christmas bit. Like, she's made it like a thing. But that makes her happy, right? And if she said, can you do potatoes, you do potatoes? No, I'd probably do like some of the more laborious things like peeling. stuff. Are that what you mean? We're just wondering your role on the cook.

Peeling and mashing and stuff. I'm peeling. Don't worry. Me too. So there is that side too. This is why with my mum, I made it clear that I would do. I'd rather she had a fucking break. That would make me happier than anything, any present.

Let's have our final question. Hi, Mekita and Jordan. This is Christina from Bolton. When I was very heavily pregnant with my first child in 2010, I found a bobble with 2010 written on and I decided to buy it and it started a tradition where I would buy a really nice Christmas bobble every single year now and basically we've got 15 years worth of really lovely baubles on our Christmas tree in my head I've got this idea of them being passed on and maybe maybe my children continuing this tradition I'm just wondering if you've got any really

lovely traditions in your family or, alternatively, if there are any traditions that you would like to maybe start. Traditions, basically, I'm asking for traditions and whether you would like to start one or if there are any that you would like to continue. I'd really like to have this bobble historical theme in my family, but my mum cannot hold on to Christmas decorations. And as I said, they were all like from the boss man anyway. But when we were with Uncle Nick in Kenya and we did the tree. Oh my God. He had like 1930s Christmas ornaments from his mom, stuff from his granny. And I was like, this is really special. And it is something that I would try to do for the kids. I might have Christmases to come. But I really need to get on with it.

I'm 41. But I did have about five years of Christmas decorations from my Shortwich flat. But then I left them in the attic of the birdcage, that pub that mom used to run. And they will fucking get on. Christina, I want this. I want this. I love that you've been doing this. It's never too late, is it? You start in 2010.

I'm going to start in 2025. So mark my words. I'll start this year because of you, Christina. Me and Jade like to watch really long-standing franchise films from start to finish. Oh my God. I love this. Like what? I don't know.

We did all at Hunger Games. We used to do Harry Potter. Doesn't have to be Christmassy. I mean, if Christmassy isn't, for me, it's not dictated by the specific context of the film having some Christmas in it like for example they used to show rush hour

every Christmas on BBC that's nothing to do with Christmas so I love rush hour I have to say I'm really against an action film at Christmas I just doesn't give me magical tingles I need like miracle on 34th Street

I could do like labyrinth something a bit like never ending story there's loads of snow in Twilight we watched all of those no offence to my lovely friend Rob but I fucking hate Twilight No, I thought the first one was great.

I'll be real. Yeah, the first one was good. Do you know, that's weird, where'd you bring up Twilight? Because yesterday, and I'd never think about Twilight. But yesterday, I was like, God, that was crazy when Rob was in that film and became half-hats. Yeah. I was just like, very insane time.

I don't think you could become famous like that now. Be a film star as like a really sought-after vampire. He was most famous young actor in Hollywood. Hollywood in America from one film. One quite low-budget indie film. Timothy Shalameh in June? No. Maybe Timothy Shalameh and call me by your name.

So it can still happen. Oh, no, it can definitely still happen. Like the breakout. Right, nowadays it's series, more than anything. Normal people, two stars. As they're not two stars for the review. I was in, they created two stars. Oh, right.

Yeah, I was like, I thought it was quite good. Yeah, sorry. You have Euphoria, I made a bunch of stuff. Jacob, a Lordy. Yes, no, I'm probably, maybe it was because he was my friend and it was weird. Yeah, maybe it was that. Yeah. What about classics?

Like, would you take it to old Marilyn Monroe and Frank Sinatra films? Like, have you ever seen Guys and Dolls? No. I know you don't think you like a musical. Guys and Dolls. We're just a bunch of crazy guys and dolls. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, guys and dolls. No, no. Actually, it's not jazz hands.

Shall I tell you what bloody song comes from Guys and Dolls? Luck be a lady tonight. It's a musical. Unless it's West Side Story, I'm not interested. Original one. It's better than West Side Story, I think. That's not true. I can't say that's not true.

I've not seen it. Oh, cool, Jade. Jade loves musicals. Look, I try my best. I keep my mind and my heart open. I'll call the other member of your household and will wax lyrical about musicals. Yeah, this is what your mum and Jade bonded over

was just like a knowledge of kind of like obscure 50s, like musical. Jordan, it's not obscure. I watched a lot of Sydney Poitier films when I was a kid because he was just a bad boy. There you go. In the heat of the night. In the heat of the night, great film. Do you know what?

Actually, this is what I would say to the lady before who said, I just want to sit around and watch old films. I think it's a really good time to indulge. in the kind of the film part of ourselves because actually quite often I don't really watch films anymore to sit and watch lots of not really I watched a film last night which was amazing

Go on I need more films It's called lurker That sounds terrifying You don't even know what it's about It sounds like a woman being harmed by a man No it's not actually No this is why you need to watch it Right because my friend Archie's in it

Archie Middeckwee do you know him Yeah I know him Yeah so Archie's in it Big up Archie Yeah he was in Salt Burn he fucking killed it Watch it because I usually get like a bit antsy when people try and document like celebrity culture or specifically music culture and celebrity. Archie plays like a really big singer, kind of cool kid, like LA cool

kid. And then, dude, the accuracy of the power dynamics. So basically the film, to be clear, is about a guy he meets in a shop and he invites him to a show. That's it. He doesn't know who he is. So he invites him to a show. The guy comes to the show. And then over the course of time, he begins to intertwine into this musician's social circle. It is, this rattled me to Michael. Add PTSD. Stop. Whoever wrote it basically has a really nuanced and specific knowledge

of the power struggles that people might go through. It's a little bit heightened for the sake of the film. But like, it is how many people around the person, a famous person's engagement with new people, fascinating. Yeah, very good, very good. It's really good and scary. Okay, I'll stick it on my Christmas list. Will you watch Guys and Dolls for me?

Frank Sinatra and Marlon Brando. I'm sorry, if I can play Pokemon at the same time. No, what you can do is Wikipedia, the making and the history of guys and dolls as you watch it, which is why I like to do. What's your favourite Pokemon? I hate Pokemon. You hate Pokemon.

Of course I fucking do. How can you hate Pokemon? It's got no historical relevance. It's got no story. Have you even seen a... Yo! My mum took me to Pokemon when I was a kid to watch the first film. It ended and my mom was in floods of tears.

That's how much of a narrative is there? The ending of Pokemon 1 is absolutely heartbreaking. Okay, no, no, no, no, you will not be able to do it. If you watch that film and don't cry, okay. It's about animals, man. That's all it is, it's animals. So, Jordan's things for my Christmas list are Pokemon and Lurker,

and mine for you is Guys and Dolls and Miracle on 34th Street. I've seen Miracle on 34th Street. Richard Antwera is five for Christmas. He's incredible, right? That's the best one you want. And Matilda's in it. Come on. Yeah, man. What a film. Anyway, I need to re-watch that shit.

This is what Christmas is really about. Sharing little bits of who you are and what make you happy with the other people you love to see if you can give it to them as well. Gotta catch them all, Pokemon. No, no, fuck you. Sing jingle bells. I want to be the very best that no one ever was.

Bam, boom, bum, bum. Good. Thank you. The journey will never end. The only one never end. I love when cartoon songs get really dramatic. It's so good. And there's also Digimon, which also had a film.

We're done. And that theme tune was crazy. We're done. Digimon. Didgisman are the champions. I'm actually going to nick that. Thank you. That's going to be on the next album. All right.

See in a bit. We will see you next Thursday where we get really Christmassy. If you thought this was Christmasy, watch out. And a very special listen bitch where a king will be returning to their throne. Make of that what you will. Who will be joining us for next week's Listen, bitch? Which king? Which profit rise again?

Maybe I'll sing some Dennis Brown. Wow. And the theme will be... Success. What does it mean to you? What does it mean to me? It's subjective. It's subjective.

Right. What does it really mean when it arrives? How does it really make you feel? Does it fill that hole up? Well, doesn't it? I think I know the answer. It depends what you think. success is.

Exactly. Some versions of success unachievable. I think you can see it's going to be quite the episode. It's going to be quite the episode. Get involved. Send a voice note.

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