Miss Me? - Feliz Navidad

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

Miquita Oliver and Jordan Stephens get festive and discuss when X Factor ruled Christmas and how Lily ruled SNL.This episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Natalie Jamieson Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Assistant Producer: Caillin McDaid Production Coordinator: Rose Wilcox Executive Producer: Dino Sofos Commissioning Producer for BBC: Jake Williams Commissioners: Dylan Haskins & Lorraine Okuefuna Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. Have you ever thought about turning your side hustle into a proper business, but don't know where to start? Well, that's what we're doing on The Businessmen. I'm Ben Shepard, and with my mate, business partner and co-host, Joel Domit, we're launching a brand new venture. We're going into skin care. You can follow the highs and lows on our brand new podcast, The Businessmen, available on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. This episode of Miss Me contains Christmas, Christmas and some adult themes and some strong language, but still very Christmassy, still very Christmassy. Felice Navidad.

Exactly. Welcome to a very Christmassy edition of. of the nation's favourite, bloody miss me. Jingle. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I've got something for us to sing later on. Is it stored in a historically painful time and it's been reappropriated over the course of our lifetimes

to a point where we don't realise its connotations? Only if you had a messy breakup in the 90s. Okay. Okay. It's the kind of song where I'm going to sing one line of it and I'll know who you are if you know exactly what comes next. Baby is cold outside.

No, it's not that song. Oh, is it just a random song in the 90s that happens to be Christmas related? Is it Mad World? No, what? All around me are familiar faces. That is a good Christmas song, though. It is good.

Oh, it's a bang of that. It was the cover. Come on. Donnie Darko. Donnie Darko. Great film. But we are going to talk about Christmassy music and stuff later, so I was like, I'll just sing it then.

Okay, great. Can't wait. We'll say it to then. Jordan, what are you? wearing this I've done like Carolina Herrera does Christmas

there's like dangly diamond earrings oh cool I'm in a fucking heel you just put on a track suit I've also got on I also got Oggs on do you know about the story

about Ugs um no this is how important trademarking is trademarking is like quite a minefield and UG Australia was like a family business from the 70s who made

like handmade Ugg shoes they didn't sort their trademarking out around the world an American company which is ugg with the big G took the name make them in China and that's probably what's on your feet now

yeah dude I'm not into that isn't that awful and this like handmade and also I couldn't even try and buy theirs when I was trying to buy a pair ofugs recently obviously you can get loads of slippers

you can't ship it but you can't ship it so careful with your trademarking that's just a little Christmas message for you all that's like Easy Life, the group. You know about that?

The band Easy Life, you'd love Easy Life. Well, they're not called Easy Life anymore. They're called Hard Life. And you're going to tell me why? Because they got sued by EasyJet. Oh my God. But that's not fair because it's different wording. Apparently they had copyrighted everything that comes after Easy.

Oh my God. Well, I think I'm probably being hyperbolic, but like they were ready to like move into livestock. You know there's like Easy Hotels. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's actually quite a hyperbolic situation, the world of trademarking. you have to be really specific. And if you use a word that people, anyway.

Yeah, but their music's great. So shout out hard life. This has been quite a week. Wait, can I ask you one more question before we go on to it? Yeah. What am I supposed to wear? I don't know.

It's tricky with boys. What is the Christmas party etiquette? Is it a fucking suit? Are you and Jay coming to Lily's party? No, I told you. We're in the countryside. And if you were coming, you'd probably wear this, which is just a red track suit.

No, listen. Okay, okay, that's a good way of putting in. So what would I do if I was going to like a dress-up, Okay, yeah. I mean, I'd have to, I don't know, wear a fucking tie. I don't know. A tie, at least. No, no, it's not that. It's like more Frank Ocean. Frank Ocean. Well, I come on a white t-shirt and jeans. In it? It's done. I say the simple's like good shoes, great trousers, navy jumper.

You're ready to go. I'd dress so well if I was a boy. I like stained denim two pieces. That's fucking rocking. But it is hard because Lily's party, the theme is naughty or nice. and all the girls are like, obviously I'm coming naughty. Boys are like, what the fuck am I going to wear? Oh, well, they're going to go slutty. Yeah, Lily said, let's just dress like slags.

I love that. Wait, but you can be a male slag too. You can go in a grey track suit. Sure, and also that's not a nice word. Like, I love being a slag. Like, what does slag mean? What do you mean that's not a nice word? Well, it's derogatory, but we're taking it back.

Christmas slags. I absolutely love the word slag. I love the word slag. It's so English. I just put a word before slag to describe. most people in my life. It's an affectionate way for me to engage people. I am myself, I'm a proud slag.

Yeah, no, I, I'm, me too. Me too. Like, listen, ever since Katzlater entered into the public sphere, slag went beyond. It transcended. Do you know what? There was a song the other day on like one extra or something, and it was like, da-da-da, beat you up.

Like, it's not like a Cat Slater. And I thought, God, Cat Slater is probably one of the most famous women in this country. Icon. Pat Butcher, icon. All you've got to do is me any standard. for 20 years. Icon. Icon. Listen, that shit was crazy, bro.

Also, I sometimes think about how funny it would be if those places were real. I think about that in lots of things, films as well. Like, there's one square in London where, like, someone dies every Christmas. The house prices must be dirt cheap, bro. No, no, no. You know what I'm saying? You walk in and go, like, I swear, wasn't this in the news every year for 20 years, like every year?

No. This is what I was thinking when I was watching, yes, mid-tummer murders. the other day with my nan. We love Limits on Murders. And I was like, this village is just like... This village just fucked, move. I said the same thing about Gotham, bro. In DC Universe, I'm thinking like, it must be...

They must be paying people to live in Gotham at this point. How many supervillains have to attack that place before people are like, I'm going to swear of it. Yeah, but EastEnders is a really important thing to talk about Christmas. Because we are both of the age where Eastenders shaped Christmas. We both remember an age where terrestrial TV shaped Christmas a simpler time. EastEnders was very much for me a huge, like 2000 to 2012,

EastEnders was Christmas. Even like me, mum and Garth and the family would watch the EastEnders Christmas special. Millions of viewers. You know what? If you go on Eye Player, it's still number one.

EastEnders, I rate that. Everyone who still watched EastEnders, legends. I personally am way behind at this point, but... I like the incest story with Sharon and her brother. I really like that.

I like the incest story. Sorry? It was a great story. It was a great story. Which one? Sharon's brother comes back and he was that fit actor. His name was Nigel Harmon. Ask Tamzin about Nigel Harmon.

I think she snogged him in the show as well. I think they might have got together. Oh shit. Wait, but Sharon's part of those sisters, right? She's a Mitchell. Well, I think she married Phil. Oh, sorry, she married Phil. But she's got two sisters.

Isn't one of them Tams and Alphwait's character? Wait. No, there's no way Sharon and Mel are related to that way. You were just with Tamsin a lot. Did she tell you about the East Enders' glory days? Yeah. Did she? I got all the tea.

Did she bang on about it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Because she was in it when it was the most important show in the world. She said she was in it when Ian and Mel got married and they played it in Trafalgar Square. Wow. Adoptive brother Dennis Rickman. That's who you think was the fit one.

That's it. He played Dennis. What? Dirty Den. He's in a musical theatre now. Dirty Dent? He was like Dens son? No, because it was her.

He didn't then come back and then someone exed him off at Christmas. Jordan, that's the rules. At Christmas, in a soap, you have to die. Someone has to die. We have to move on, actually, because I know I'm going to get this wrong and people who watch EastEnders are going to go fucking mental. That I can't remember who killed Den. If it even is then.

This is an important time for remember. of terrestrial TV shaping Christmas and of course we remember another wonderful moment an era if you will of recent history which was called X Factor and if you don't remember X Factor

I can't even sit here and tell you how big it was Did you say if you can't remember X Factor you mean oh for the young young listeners If someone was 14 listening they might not remember when it was heavy and big it might just be something

that they remember older people watching it was the kind of thing you would go down the shops I remember Phoebe and Simon lived in Harsden at the time and I would go to Kensal Rise with the kids and get stuff and you could tell everyone in the shop was hurrying back for X Factor and that the people in the shop would probably put it on

in Tesco's like it was a kind of national sport that was when you knew it was Christmas. National Zoo. Yeah, God, it's fucking problematic, isn't it? If you watch it now, Jesus, God, yes, the way people were treated, the way people treated afterwards, there's a reason why Jade's given a little bite

in her solo endeavours. You might hear a couple of loose lyrics. That's the kind of rar in Jade's repertoire. It's literally an example of like, you should be grateful. And it's like, what? No. Yes, I'm very thankful. I mean, let it be clear, like X Factor changed her life 100%.

I mean, you can speak to Jade about this yourself. Oh, maybe I'll have an opportunity too soon. It's not an easy thing to do. You know, like for all the people who win and have had their lives change, there's also like in a huge amount of people who have struggled because of it, yeah. But when it was good, it was good. It was a big event. It was millions of viewers.

because people literally voting, actually engaging with it. I'm pretty sure I voted. Yes, isn't that interesting? Actual engagement with a television show. And then what you would have is this wonderful moment where it felt like someone was plucked. It's very Willy Wonka. Like, it's in the TV and then suddenly they're taken out

and they're in the real world on this morning or they're number one and they're on Radio One. I think that was always very exciting for people to watch that transition of someone being plucked out of their TV screens into the real world, which is, I guess, why you just bagged. Christmas number one. X Factor would finish around Christmas

and then the classic move would be to cover a slightly off-kilter left-field tune. When they did Jeff Buckley stroke Leonard Cohen, hallelujah, Alexandra Burke, that was quite a lot of cultures mixing at one time. Yeah, true.

They go for a ballad. Loved it. Got me every time. It's an experience because you followed them the whole way. It is genuinely an experience. You're like, wow, I really watched the whole series.

I should remember that with Big Bravo one series where, like, early Big Brother, they, like, did a pan around the whole house and then they just played the sounds of, like, famous quotes from that series, but to an empty house. And I got, I got goosebumps. Oh, I know.

Like, when they'd left, absolutely, it was haunting. Someone had won. Yeah. This is when it was, like, again, one of the biggest shows on telly, had a live stream every night for the entire night. And it finished, and you just hear all these voices that weren't there anymore in this empty house.

And I was like, that was deep. That it got me. So, yeah, X-Factor definitely cashed in on the emotional journey that people had gone on with the people. So when you were younger, like, what made you tingle when it was, because I have to say, when I was doing research yesterday, Phoebe started asking, what was Christmas number one when you were born? Do you know yours? Christmas number one. It's a good one. My one's a good one.

Yeah, man. What was my Christmas number one? E-17, stay now, stay now. It wasn't. It's I will always love you by Whitney Houston. Oh, shit, yeah. Oh, fuck, sorry. Phoebe was he 17

Still Still that's pretty good That's actually crazy though Like to think Mine is shit Mine is Band-Aid Do they know it's Christmas The worst Christmas song of all time

That's actually the worst Christmas song Of all time There's the reality of how aid works There's the perception Like obviously what SDG was talking about In terms of The damage that it can do On like the global economic stage

To have like a perception Of an entire continent like that But also just the lyrics man come on the lyrics are crazy bro do their notes Christmas time at all

I mean do they care that you're singing this fucking song for essentially your kind of benefit I don't know man I guess there are elements of it that are a little

bit slap in the face people would argue oh but he was trying to do good whatever but it's just I don't fuck of it anymore well that was my year that came out in my year and then of course

Jade had number one she did cannonball they covered Damien Rice that feels like an X factor decision yes So they did Cannonball before Wings. Yes, yes, yes, yes. They won, and then Wings was their first single.

So you kind of got to get the Christmas, yeah. You've got to get the Christmas cover out the way. Then you become the pop stars you're going to be. Yes. And then it's all like, Mama told me. Got it. Also, I figured out a way to really emphasize the people who missed X Factor how big it was. Go on.

Because do you remember in the semis or the quarterfinals or whatever the fuck it was, they would get a guest singer. Oh, yeah, and it'd be like, Beyonce. It would be Beyonce. But actually, and Alexandra Burke, a young girl who's just been in this process of being in a TV show for, like, what, at that point, eight weeks, is suddenly on stage singing to like, what, 30 million people with Beyonce. Here's a list of people. Rihanna, Katie Perry, Michael Boubley, Usher, Christina Aguilera, Bon Jovi, take that. Yeah, biggest show in the country.

And just in case you didn't know, that fucking voiceover guy was there to let you know, 12 million albums sold. Actually, let me add to that. In series seven, it was Rihanna Bon Jovi, Jameraquai, Justin Bieber, the Black Eyed Peas, Kylie Minogue, Westlife. Sorry, I'm getting confused. Maybe some of them sung with people and some of them just performed on the show. Yes, that's a good point.

But we can definitely talk about the moment that Alexandra Burke and Beyonce came out. And they sang, listen. Yeah, it was a banger. Matt Cardle performed with Rihanna. Yeah, but that was a fucking joke. I was like, no, this. Why is that a joke?

Because I felt like, yes, he got far, But he wasn't really ready to perform with Rihanna, I don't think. What other choices do they have for Rihanna? That's what I'm saying it. I can't even think of a black man getting to the last eight. Actually, Marcus, Marcus Collins, shout out Marcus Collins. That's my boy. He was Jade series and he came second.

Did he? Oh, I remember with this sort of side parting. Yes. He's quite like neat looking. Yes. Marcus was a G. But he had a tough time of it after, obviously, because like I say, not many people like Marcus in those last bits,

but I don't want to make it that, but I'm just saying. No, and also not everyone gets to have a Jade life afterwards. Little Mix, listen, Little Mix, Winning was a vibe. They worked that well. They worked that well. No, no, but, Jordan, I'm going to sing something, and I need to know if you're going to, I really need you to sing it back to me the next line. I just, I want you to, and I really hope you find it in you. And I know you got this in you. Ready?

Yeah, I'm ready. I'm listening. I swear. If I went back in my life, baby till the end of time. Amazing. Amazing. And I swear. No, that's amazing. Isn't that blue?

Yeah, but slightly older R.O.V. song that goes, I swear, by the moon in the start. You don't know it. By the moon on the star. And I swear. I mean, this is like, we just sang it, me and everyone in the sitting room. Is this from the 80s? How dare you?

91. What the fuck is that song? Come on. It was good. They were a boy band called All for One. All for One. What's it called? It's called, I swear. Oh, Endubs covered it. Now it's Christmas.

Is this the Christmas song? Everyone, and it's not really a Christmas song. Endub. What about Endubs cover? No. No. No. No, I'm really sorry. I just, I've done a long time with Jordan. And incredibly, I've never seen his Daffy impression and his kind of. Oh, it's not a cover. It's just a song called I swear.

Sorry. That's in tune, no. I'm on a time. You were damaged at a cheer. But yo, end-dubs really ruled that as naughties. Sorry, can I just say, Jordan is closing his eyes when he does this, so that's why I'm dying. That was such a big part of my 20s, bro.

Or like my teens, even, what we're talking about? My teens. Can I say, I have the craziest, we can't even talk about this pod, but I have the craziest stories about Dappy. I spent a whole week with Dappy. Do you know what? I know that none of your Dappy stories are okay for here. And that's something I just know.

I know that. I tell you, but sure they're not okay. The guy is a fascinating character. Okay, we're going to take a little break so that we can prepare to talk about the history of Christmas around the world and Lily Allen on S&L. Have you ever thought about turning your side hustle into a proper business, but don't know where to start? Well, that's what we're doing on The Businessmen. I'm Ben Shepard, and with my mate, business partner and co-host, Joel Domit, we're launching a brand new venture. We're going into skin care.

You can follow the highs and lows on our brand new podcast, The Businessmen, available on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to Miss Me on this Yule Tide special. It's December the 18th and all the world is merry. As I said to you, I'm really just like having the best Christmas ever. Great. It hasn't even really started. Yeah.

That's great. Should have seen me doing this tree. I was like singing with joy. That's what it's about, isn't it? We had such a shit beginning of the year, Lil and I. We're ending the year in obviously very different places. I think that's why she wants her party. It feels really good.

Like watching her on SNL, I was just like, Jesus Christ, because I know she was really nervous. And it's a really big deal for her to be on a stage as a pop star again and not like Miss Me Live or being header or being in the pillow man. I know she has to occupy a different space. I'm sure you know that too from what you do. And I thought she was just excellent and powerful and sexy. I know it wasn't easy to do all that new pop star stuff

with new material that everyone loves so much in a place like SNL. And I was just very proud of her. I thought she looked beautiful. V impressive. And for people that really remember the early days of Miss Me, for Jordan came and fucked it all up. I'm joking. I'm so joking.

I'm so joking, my savior. I love you. No, in the early days, Lily used to swivel around on like a sort of zebra chair. Not sort of, it was like a zebra felt chair in her office in the house in Brooklyn. And it was on the fucking S&L set. So that chair has really travelled. That's like been a star of Miss Me. Because I remember it was mentioning like The Guardian once is like, obviously we all know the Miss Me chair.

And I was like, wow, that chair's got quite famous. And then it moved. Did it come to Miss Me Live? No, I think we got one made that looked like it for Miss Me Live. and it's gone to Saturday Night Live. What a journey that chairs made through Lily's career in the year 2025. And a star... A star turn in the form of Dakota Johnson playing Madeleine.

Dakota Johnson rocking up for funsies, brov. That's right. I knew that was happening. I was very excited to see how they put it. Really? But you saw... Did you see Lil's performance? I haven't seen it, you know.

Is that bad? Oh, Latus. Look at you just sitting here going V impressive and you haven't even fucking seen it. Well, I said V-impressive to what you. you just said. Oh, okay. That she's performing on SNL as a pop star in and you. Can I quickly watch it now?

Yeah, have a little look. Simple, effective. Absolutely. And she was like scrabbling her looks together at the last minute. And look how fucking flies she looks. You know what she looks? She looks grown. And that's why I feel so, like, into it.

I'm just like, yeah, you keep fucking growing. Can I say as well, though, like, the other thing that's nuts is, I don't want to get too messy with it, yeah. But it is an astonishingly incredible, like, revenge tour. And can I just say, can I say, Dakota Johnson is like a Hollywood actress. This is what's fucking with me on the messiness scale.

She's a Hollywood actress, right? Sure, people don't spend all the time with each other. but she would have done a lot of films and there would have been huge cross-air so it's actually smoke it's actually like another person going oh yeah

not to mention SNL used to be like his place because I remember Lil I'm just saying that's a cosign bro it's peaked True say every move that Lil is making is a fucking move right now it's wonderful wonderful that's right

well done Lily very proud of you Merry Christmas Lily Allen Merry Christmas one and all How do we celebrate Christmas how have we celebrated Christmas for years in the years throughout the ancient realms of time? Well, let me tell you. I quite like what goes on in Greece

and obviously Greece is what gave us St. Nicholas and the main celebration happens a week later so it's on New Year's Eve rather than Christmas Eve, that's when you get your presents and it's all about kindness and compassion, not capitalism and competition. Christmas isn't about capitalism. Or competition.

What? No. Damn. But then also, I can't believe. this, the Netherlands, they're still like, how do I describe this? Let's say a problematic depiction of a sort of Christmas figure called Black Pete. But this is, they're still doing use of blackface and it dates back to 1850 and they're still doing this. I just did a talk for my book in Belgium and I met these boys who wanted to interview me for their magazine and they're from

Netherlands they said that there's one guy I can't remember his name obviously I can't remember his name but he did a campaign for 15 years or something to get Black Pete like reimagined he said it mostly worked like it there are many parts of Netherlands that have now adapted there it was actually called kick out Zwaite Pete clear concise to the point

get him out yeah it's probably that guy he's probably the one who ran that and they said that they still celebrate in like niche villages my cousin bless my cousin she went to university in Utrecht right and she had a great time because ultimately the Netherlands is quite you know when you look at it's quite progressive

when compared to other places on the global stage apart from this thing and then she was there for Christmas and was like what the actual fuck is going on and the worst part about it isn't necessarily just that like you have this black face is that when she was like why are you doing this they for a long time would be like

what are you talking about is so like it's not no of course they'd be like it's not a race thing why you make it racey oh my gosh it's not a race What I find so fascinating about tradition is so many things have adapted and evolved over time, obviously. This is the conversation I have with these Dutch guys, where it's like, it's the same thing with like the National Anthem or there's things have shifted, attitudes, people. What do you think you're losing from, from... Well, I think people are from getting rid of the sort of slightly violent racist celebration of Christmas.

I think people are embedded in their traditions because it makes them feel like they still have ownership of, you know, their land and their people. Yeah, but if they're embedded in traditions, then they should walk everywhere. Do you know what I mean? If they're embedded in traditions, they should just maintain all the level of awareness and technology that existed at the exact time of the tradition that they want to be, walk everywhere, you know,

kill your own fucking food. I don't know. If you wanted to be 1850, let's do that. People love to pick and choose the things they want to, like, attach their tradition to, do you know what I mean? Very much so. My tradition is, and I'm being really serious, is to just like really give time.

and attention and love to my grandmother because I'm really happy to still have her in my life. We had my nan's 89th birthday at the weekend. Holy smokes. Right? And her brothers, my Uncle John's 97th. We did a little joint because their birthdays are quite close. That is wild.

This man, don't even, you met him. He's hitting a oneer, definitely. Knows how to dress, stands up and he, it's so funny. If you don't, like obviously my grandma and my Uncle John are not from a generation where they sort of like, you know, discuss the dynamic. a mix of their relationship. So even on her 80th birthday in his 97,

we go, and happy birthday, we do the Cape bit. Uncle John literally like, stands in front of Nanny, and he's like, let me tell you about my life. And basically tells us about why he looks so good at 97. Brilliant. He says that the source of it all is arrowroot. I love that. Arrow root.

Keep you virile, keep you young, keep you happy, keep you joyful. But then my nan comes out. And everyone's like, oh, Uncle John. What an incredible speech. And then my nan goes, sorry, can we just remember that it's my mom? My birthday, and I thought, they've been doing this for 75 years. Do you know what will happen if you don't look at your relationship? Dynamics.

Do you want to know the secret? Story topping. Story topping. Exactly. Story topping is my secret. Whenever somebody tries to take the attention away, I'll make sure it's on me. Right, exactly. Do you know what the maddest thing is, though?

I guess we're definitely in an era of, like, obsessive well-being because we have to, as a response to, like, obsessively trying to destroy us with the consumer industry. I see these interviews of old people all the time, people who have lived a long, long, long time. And then, sure, there's going to be some things you can do with your youth, which will help you active, keep yourself active, whatever. But then also, it's just not being stressed.

Yes. I saw an interview with, like, this guy who had fought in, like, Vietnam. It was just, like, Southern black guy in America. And he was, like, sat on his porch, you know, like, what's the secret to a long life? And he literally said, rum and ice cream. That's right. That's what my Uncle John would say.

Yeah, but I know, but it's like, that's not the secret. The secret is those things make you happy. Make you happy. Exactly. Uncle John said to every single person that he cornered in the party, there's about 50 people that every person would be like, Uncle John just told me that if you drink a little bit of alcohol every day,

you have a longer life. And I was like, that's just what Uncle John has told himself for 97 years. But to be fair, he is 97. So he might have point. Yeah, he's 97. So you can't say shit, bro, because he's out here. He's like, bro, my life is my evidence. And I look nice.

So, yeah. And then everyone proceeded to get pissed and I went home. because I'm not in that place. Yeah, yeah, jokes. That is hilarious. I wonder what will happen with us because people think we're like a hypochondriac generation. You know, we're like two, three generations of hyperchondriac.

So people, but we should be on course to live to like 120. So it'd be mad to see. Uncle John said he wants to do 115. And he said, but who will look after me? And me and Phoebe were like, that's why we're here. Like, that's why we were born. Well, to look after him. For him to live a longer life, yeah.

My uncle John lives opposite me. Yeah, mad. Can you deep how much life has changed since he was a child. I can't get my head around. We're talking 1940s Antigua. Okay? And now he's like...

Does he have a smartphone? Yes. I can't... You know what? I'm not even going to try and... You get to experience living into the future, I suppose. But you know what? Life will look very different when and if, God willing, we're 97.

Like, we will probably be flying. When he was a light, when he was first born, colour hadn't even been invented yet. Yeah, everything was black and white. Black and white and then one day someone just went colour and everyone was like

what the fuck this is genius This is why you need to watch some technical colour films over Christmas I'm going to send you a list right and I really think that if you could

you should try and watch just one of them like a matter of life and death Okay why Matter of life and death is one of those amazing films that goes from black and white to colour

Like Wizard of Oz like Wizard of Oz but it's better It's a great film Better than Wizard of Oz Big shout Big shout Better than Wizard of Oz

I'll be honest of you right now, right, okay, I was joking just then, but as a child, I genuinely believed that about colour. And for that reason, I never watched anything black and white, because it scared me that people lived in that time. Because you thought that the world was black and white, not just what you saw on a screen. That is scary. It's very you at nine years old thought to have. I watched Psycho when I was nine. That was black and white. Fortunately, I didn't have a shower, so I remember watching the most traumatic scene, which everyone should know, that, I remember going, how's that lady washing herself? I've never seen that before. All you could think was

It's an interesting design feature. You know, I didn't have a shower until I was 17. I'm being serious. Jordan, me too. I just realized. Powers Terrace didn't have a shower. Didn't have a shower. That shit was luxury back then, bro.

You're so right. A shower was luxury. Yeah. I didn't have a shower at all. I was 16. Housing Trust flats and council flats didn't often have showers. They were always baths. Yeah, why is that?

Because surely that's cheaper than a bath. I mean, it's not. Well, council flats were older, weren't they? But I must say, this is my shit. Let's talk about this next. year. Let's save this for January. Like, architecture is crazy because I fell into an architecture TikTok hole, which was the best hole ever. And I watched just like six, seven minute video from an architect talk about

doorways. And I was like, how have I been walking through doors my whole life? And I've never thought about why the door is like the door, bro. Like, what the fuck? And then they were saying shit like in houses, like say, for example, in our house, you come in and you turn right and there's the living room, right? Yeah. But left is the kitchen. To go into the kitchen, you have to step down. Apparently, there's like ancient programming in the human mind.

If you step down into a room, you're more likely to engage in conversation. And whenever people talk, it's always in the kitchen. I mean, it is a big space too, but... What was this? I don't know. I was just on TikTok. Oh, God, this is the shit I love. But I don't want to watch it on TikTok.

I can't know. I need this, but on BBC 4. Yeah, I don't have that. You've got to watch this show called Abstract, The Art of Design on Netflix. And there's one with Isler... I can't ever say her name, Crawford. She's an interior designer, so it's a bit about the history of interior design, but she talks about, like, why hospitals have the seating they have and the lighting they have.

That lighting is fucking horrendous. But she said that there is a sort of innate sense of wanting people to feel like they're waiting. They don't want you to feel too comfortable in a weird way. Yeah, that's true. Also, they do just need to see things. It's quite important in the hospital to be able to see as many things as possible. It's not about making you feel cozy. Sorry, I didn't see that bone, actually.

It was quite dimly lit. We're not lighting from the sides with lamps. Like they're doing operations in there But it's a really interesting idea This is some good shit for January But let's have Christmas Before we think about January Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait

Hi Hi Lily What are you doing? Hi, yeah, I'm okay, how's it going? I'm doing Miss Me because you fucking left I'm joking I thought I was doing Miss Me with you this week You are but we're cramming for Christmas

I think you can remember for last year So we will see you on Thursday Okay, my little Christmas sugar plum, it's wonderful We'll be done soon, I'll call you when we're done Well, I'll be in a facial, but where are you at home? Yeah, I know, I'll be an official, I'll be an official. What call me off to fish? I'll get bye.

I'll get bye. Right then. That about wraps it up for this week's Christmas-ish. Please, Navid. That's the best one. That's how you went to Christmas right. That's the best one. Shut up everyone else. Mexico wins. Also, like, you can't say shit to a nation

where like half the people that are called Jesus, bro. Come on. Okay, we'll end this. Christmas party with just a little bit of appreciation for Mexico and Jesus. That's good. We're ending it with Jesus, which makes sense. I want to shout out all the Jesuses out there, bro.

You know that you know, well, Guan. You're the real dons. If you're going to go for it, you've got to go for it, bro. Do you know what I'm saying? Shout out to the Jesuses. Do you know what I'm saying? If you're living this Catholic life. Sorry, I need to stop.

I need to stop. That's quite good though. That's quite good doubt. We'll see you for ListenBitch. The theme is success. Merry Christmas, one and all. Thanks for listening to Miss Me. This is a Percephonica production for BBC Sounds.

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