Miss Me? - Five Stars of Disagreement

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver discuss their Live shows, the Glastonbury line-up and feminism.This episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

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Former pop stars ready! Broadcasters ready! Oh it's you again! Hello! I've seen far too much of you recently. I'm not even joking, I'm sick of the sight of you. No, it's not me. I'm sick of the sight of me. Oh no.

You've never looked better. You're wet. Let's just really talk about what happened. We're triumphant kings and we should act accordingly. No negativity towards ourselves today, love. We did great work last week. Miss me live. We did, didn't we?

We did. People liked it. People liked it. They were happy. Yeah, I think we gave some joy to people. And I think, can I say just one thing? What I really am proud of us doing though, is whatever the hell we were doing, it's an original idea out in the world.

And I'm so proud that we came up with something that is an original thing. Whatever it is, it's original. We still don't really know what it is. No. It's just us being silly. Halfway through night two, listen, bitch, I really didn't know. I was like, what are we doing? And I was just like, Pete, just calm down. Just relax.

Right. Well, first night, so first night you said to me, Lily said, I can't do this. You're going to have to look after this or look after me. I was like, got it. No problem. I have your back. And you were so excellent. I was like, you didn't even need me to carry you or anything that you might have thought. And then the second night I needed you to carry me and you did. You did. I had my own little nerfy bee. It was fun. The dancing stuff was fun. Although my kids came on the second night and they thought that that was abhorrent behavior. They were like, what were you doing? You call that dancing? No, wait, wait, wait. It was like, I was just, it was just enjoying myself, babe.

It was like, relax. No, because we're all like, yeah, we still got it. It was really embarrassing. It's like, okay. No, but you have to think about what we're talking about, which is like, to them, it's like mom and Auntie Keats, like dancing to Ragga, give it a rest. It is embarrassing. Imagine if it was our parents.

Absolutely. My kids are like eternally embarrassed of me at the moment. We went to, there's this shop that kids love called Subdued. You heard about Subdued? No. I guess it's like, not really the top shop of our time, but like maybe... The Kensington Market? No, like maybe like Miss Selfridge. Okay.

Or like Cook Eye. If you will. Maybe Cook Eye if you will. Not Morgan. Cook Eye. Not Morgan. Morgan was a bit more booby sexy. It was a bit like light query, wasn't it?

And it sort of had like love hearts on it. I was not into Morgan. Yeah, so every mother of a teenage daughter that lives in London goes to subdued and in America actually, because there's a subdued in America too. But they, it's like, there's always just like three changing rooms at the end

and then they've got these like benches and all the mums are sitting on the benches and all the kids are in there with their thing. And Ethel was in there and Marnie had a pile of stuff and like a couple of changing rooms became free. And I was like, go Marnie, go over there and she's like, shut up, so embarrassing. I was like, Marnie, just go in the fucking dressing room. Like it's free, we're going to be here for ages otherwise. She's like, Monty, just go in the fucking dressing room. Like it's pretty, we're gonna be here for ages otherwise. She's like, shut up.

So what is it, what is so embarrassing about? Is it just, I don't know, because I spoke and because there are like bigger girls in there and like maybe there was some bigger girls that were also in the queue and she thought maybe because they were bigger that they got to go in first and that maybe she would just go into Ethel's after Ethel's. But I haven't got time for this shit.

Like, you know. You don't have time for this shit. No, I'm like, I wanna be in and out. Like, this is a queue, we're at the front of it now. So go into your dressing room. I thought you meant I don't have time for this shit as in the teen years because you're just at the starting line of this one babe. Oh my god they're they are yeah they're teenagers. Yeah I couldn't believe it when I saw Marnie. Couldn't believe it.

I was like whoa she's like shot up has boobs is it looks us with disdain she's a teenager. I have this you know recurring problem with Ethel where she just says that she's sick all the time. She doesn't want to go to school. So I'm like, thermometer, here you go. And I made you breakfast. Come downstairs now, please. And it's like, no, I'm sick. I'm sick. And I said, well, if you go to the nurse's office and the nurse says that you're sick, then I might come and get you. And her response is just, you know, a bunch of expletives.

Expletives. Is that a word? Aimed right in your face. Yeah, very, very rude words, damaging, hurtful. Harsh, bit harsh. Very much attacking my character. Oh my god. But it's okay. At least she feels that it's, you know, I'm a safe space for her to draw

a dark. Oh my god. Yeah, but like how do mums, because I'm just thinking about the terrible tirade of awful things I said to my mum, like usually at bus stops, that's where we'd really get into it. How does a mom pick herself back up from those harsh, harsh words, especially if they're like often frequent? I actually like it because I think like not in a massacres or sadistic kind of way. I like it.

I love it. No, I think that, you know, I've never had a complaint from anyone else's parents about the behavior of my children. And I feel like if they feel comfortable enough to like get angry and express themselves in that way, as unpleasant as it is, that they feel comfortable with doing it with me,

I think ultimately that's a good thing. I'd rather they do that than be shut down and don't communicate and take it out on themselves, you know? Saying that, you know, it's fucking rude. Yes, exactly. So they think we're embarrassing losers. Okay, well, you know, the telegraph disagrees. Absolutely. Five stars of disagreement. Five stars of disagreement. I couldn't believe that we got some five out of it. Come on.

Yeah, I mean, a lot of quotes were taken from the podcast and spun and used in context with something else completely unrelated. I didn't know that, babe. Okay. Yeah, there's been quite a lot of emailing and lawyers letters and know that babe. Okay. Yeah, there's been quite a lot of emailing and lawyers letters and Shit, I just you know, we go through something together and then you have this whole other side level of shit

I didn't even realize that that happened this weekend. Yeah, do you know why you don't know? Because I don't talk to anyone about anything You keep it all locked up inside Yeah, that's why miss me live was so enjoyable. I think because anyone want to buy anything? Because you keep it all locked up inside. Yeah. That's why Miss Me Live was so enjoyable, I think, because fuck them. You can say what you want. People were there. They know what you're talking about.

It doesn't matter what the mirror turned it into, but I know it's still a barrage of shit you don't need. Yeah. We did very good work. Yes, we did. And also, it was quite fun. I was really tired and I thought I was gonna hate it. And I think that, you know, Flossie was just, you know,

our producer was just saying, you know, is it more tiring doing that than it is doing, you know, a music show? And I was like, no, because I know what to expect from a music show. And moving forward, if we do more live shows, which, you know, I suppose we probably will, they both sold out. Might as well milk it while we're here.

They, now that we're super successful in the live podcast world. I think that the exhaustion for me came from the unknown, from us doing something that we haven't done before. And the sort of like mental acrobatics that happened to me around that. Yeah, yeah. Which is basically where I spend most of my life is the fear of doing something really exposing and unknown, whether it's like a play or, you know, writing a book that's really revealing or doing a new podcast, doing it live. I do tend to like, want to do these things,

but it is like living in a permanent state of firefly. That's how I feel at the moment, Lilly. I was like, God, okay, now I'll just breathe and that's all done. Then I looked at my week and I was like, no, everything's really quite like high stakes-y at the moment. And I think there is a part of both of you

and I that love that. You've said that, you said to me, I do like when things are high stakes. So when we were about to walk on, I thought it's kind of everything that you don't want to do, but you do want to do at the same time. And if we didn't have to do it, we wouldn't have and we wouldn't have done this great work and had a great time and given people a lot. And also it just actually just didn't feel like work. I was really dreading it because I'd had a really tough week personally. I kind of had turned a bit of a corner and then things went, you know, south again. And I was dreading it, but it actually turned out to be exactly what I needed.

Oh, my God, I so wanted you to feel like this on the other side. Yeah, I really wanted you to say exactly that. Like, it wasn't what you wanted, but it was what you needed. Yes. Interestingly, just an adoring crowd and she's all back to there. All back now. Yes. Um, I just want to talk about, uh, a moment cause we can't play it because it's music.

So what we, what we really did have a wonderful time doing is just bathing in tunes because we can never play tunes or miss me. And Lily surprised me with a song from Romeo and Juliet soundtrack, Everybody's Free. Lily, do you know what a little genius you are? Yes, I do actually. That was so genius. Not just because you know what that song would do to me, but when we turned and the audience sang it with us, I was like, we've like built a church. This is like church. It felt so good. I know. We were like, we were like a cool Jacob Collier.

No, I was going to say we were more like ministers in like the South, in some gospel church, but it felt beautiful. I was like, oh, good one. What a banging tune. What a tune. And I picked the wrong song for you. I picked Santana, well, it's just like the ocean under the moon, which is a special song. And I should have played, tell me if you would have preferred this. I think I should have given you Cranberries Linger. Yes. That would have been good. Shit, shit, shit. Okay. Well, next time.

Next time? So you want to go on tour? Yeah, I mean, it depends how good the money is. Smoking like a great preacher, depends if it's worth my time and how good the money is. So if you, so if the girls thought that wasn't impressive, have they seen any like, Lily Allen does Glastonbury? Because I feel like if they... Yeah, they saw me play with Olivia Rodrigo and it was highly confusing for them.

But we've talked about this before on the podcast. No, well I'm just trying to segue us into Glastonbury, darling. I understand what you're doing. I understand what you're doing. I'm just trying to make sure that we don't cover old grow. Yes, sorry. I didn't want to flow down an old river. But now we're here at Glastonbury, shall we talk about the headlight? Yeah, okay, so I have had some thoughts about this. I have some thoughts. I have some thoughts.

I know I've banged on about the fact that I've smooched Mattie Healy a few times in the past. All you do is talk about your celebrity hookups. Yeah, you do. I get talked about being fingered by Robert Pattinson on the podcast live show. It's like, I was shocked. Oh my god. Fuck. I was shocked.

And they mentioned it in the telegraph. It's like, ooh, really? This doesn't get back to Rob. But, you know, it is the truth. So, I don't want to be that person. Please take me out of that space. I'm not, I've only got with like two famous people my whole life. But anyway, back to famous people I've kissed and 1975 or headlining Glastonbury and I actually

am a massive fan of the 1975 like the songs really like quite an album track person with them. I like the I like the I like the I like the I like the I like the I like the I like the

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I like the I like the I like the I like the I like the I like the I like the I like the I like the I like the I mean he can write a fucking song. He really can. He really can. He can. He really can.

So yes, tick, tickety boom on that one for me. Olivia, you must be over the moon or do you not think it's the right booking for Glastonbury? I am absolutely over the moon for her. I think it's going to be amazing and obviously she's gonna absolutely smash it. However, Charlie XCX not headlining was a bit of a surprise. Yeah, just because of the sheer amount of material that she has and how long she's been around and she's English and she's had her fucking huge moment. So I don't really understand why that's happened. And they're still putting Charlie on the bloody, um, the other stage. It's like, I think we've

moved out of that into just mainstream madness. Stick her on the fucking main stage, stick her on pyramid. Well maybe, because doesn't George, her husband to be, he's in the 1975, maybe he was like, I don't want to do the same stage two nights, babe. God, they are a power couple right now. Maybe he was like, let's mix it up, let's mix it up. And also, yeah, maybe she didn't wanna, you know, infringe on their moment.

What, overshine him on his moment? Yeah, that would be a very female thing to do. Don't worry baby, you headline. I'll go on the other stage. This is your moment. I'll quite literally go on the other stage. I think maybe, I think what I've seen of their relationship it seems like he is, like I've discussed about like Jordan and Jade, like riding that whole my girlfriend is having a powerful moment and I support her and I'm excited for her. Like he seems like he comes from that place, George, which is what I love about their relationship. These anomalies. George from 1975, Jordan Stevens, he's the only man I've ever seen be happy for their powerful partner. So please take their lead, men.

I can't do Glastonbury anymore. Although saying that, I'm going down to a nice hotel in Somerset in a couple of weeks. And I messaged Emily Evis and I said, I'm coming down. I'd love to have a cup of tea if you're around. She said, absolutely. So I probably will go to Glastonbury but it just won't be the festival that's quite that's maybe that's the way that you want to do it now yeah our family are deeply embedded in Glastonbury right so it's quite a particular thing to go you're basically going on

sort of a family raving weekend away uh I would like to go to We Out Hit Festival, Giles Peterson's festival, which is like actually got a wicked lineup. Lots of like jazz and soul and hip hop and funk. And it's in Dorset, which is nice. Dorset's lovely. Dorset. Dorset. Do you know what I mean? Go down to Dorset, have a little lake boogie at the funk festival. And then- Why have you gone Welsh?

I went Welsh. I don't know why I went Welsh. You went Welsh. Oh I went Welsh. And then stay at a lovely hotel that is adjacent to said festival. I think we need to move with the with the ages that we are. Well I did do that I did book a hotel near Glastonbury a year ago and and then they came through with the quote, and I was like, absolutely fucking not. Oh, okay, because mum stays at the pig. She does Glastonbury adjacent, and it's not that expensive, and it's a bloody good way to do it.

Go back and have a lovely shower and some lunch, and then you get driven in by the people at the hotel. Yes. That's quite good, isn't it? They have a whole Glastonbury adjacent deal. I can't tell you how unrelatable this whole conversation is. What staying at a hotel near a festival please yes okay don't worry the rest of our family are in there in caravans being absolutely disgusting

and grimy so don't worry it's both sides of the. Do you all not still go? Does your dad still go? I think so, yeah. Bloody hell, they are dedicated. I don't think Garfield, I think Garfield will probably do two more years. Go see him at the Gorilla Bar if you'd like to see my stepdad who was taking selfies at Miss Me Live. Garfield? Yeah. Salmonella Dread. That's what the lady said she was like and I met Makeda stepped out Garfield and talked to him about the whole chicken fiascoes. I'm like oh my god. Salmonella Dread. Well let's have a little breaky shall we? Is it time for a break already? Gosh time flies when you're having fun doesn't it? I think it is time for a break we will see you after we have a little lie down. It's been quite the crazy 10 days.

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A facial. No, I did a yoga class. Oh, I'm scared. Yeah, I was scared, I hated it. Did you do it in West London? Yep. I think the problem with it was that it was an hour and 15 minutes and so I was like, it was just annoying.

But also yoga's hard. Yeah, yoga is hard but it's also performatively hard. So it's not just like with weights or whatever in like, because I quite like the block fit class I used to go to that's in East London. And it's like, you know, like a really intense PE class. I don't mind if that's hard, like lots of burpees, fine. But when you have to like hold something

with grace and elegance and strength in front of others, I think that's what I'm scared of. And also if you don't know you're doing it wrong, then you're just gonna keep repeating the same... I don't know, I just don't think yoga's for me. It's too much of a sort of like practice. I just, yeah, I'm like you. I just want to do the weights, do the bit of cardio, get out there. So all the breathing like the,

inhale, exhale, downward dog, inhale, down, flex your feet, inhale. And it's like, I'm not good for my adhahashti. Um. Adhahashti. No, it wouldn't be. I don't like being told when to breathe. I find that really like stressful. But I love Pilates. I love Pilates. Why do we love Pilates and not yoga? Because that's a whole machine that you've got to use in front of others. And I have fucked up. Yeah,

but it's not less. It's just like in your own time and there's not like a there's not like rules to when you can breathe and shit. Yeah, I just love when I'm on that Pilates machine and it's going well, like when you're in like rhythm and actually you can't, your whole body's like supporting the rest of you and oh, it just feels great. Now I'm madly back into training now that I can. Good for you.

That was quite good advice I thought that we gave to that girl about sober sex. I said, yeah, sober sex and sober dating. I said, play sports, that's like sex, but you're sober. What good advice do you think you gave out at Miss Me Live? Oh, wise one. Oh, you know what I thought was quite funny was my little anecdote about, or my impression of like a boys WhatsApp group, like talking positively about sex.

Imagine if they're in there going like, guys, you'll never guess what. I found the G-spot. It was quite hard. It took me about 20 minutes, and she was really into it. And it was really special actually, because she was really, really being quite vulnerable with me.

And I thought it was grave, but it really paid off. Yeah. And then I took us from there to American Pie, Cunny Lingus book. Oh God. Can you imagine though if men were like that? What's supportive and vulnerable? And then like in the WhatsApp group were like, really? Like, tell me more. How did you do that? How did you pleasure her? Maybe there are loads of boys with WhatsApp groups you never know. No, there are not. You know it's all going. You never know. Please

make yourself known to us in any way you can. I wait thousand, thirty, forty, ninety. If you do have a friendship group of men where you are occasionally or even frequently vulnerable and Speak about women with respect to love and curiosity well anyway from the leading on from our conversation about the female positive WhatsApp groups shall we talk about? Feminism and where we are at the moment?

Yeah, why don't you tell us where are we, Lily? Well, I just read this quite strange statistic online, on the interweb. It said six in ten Gen Z men agree that men are being expected to do too much to support equality compared with four in 10 Gen Z women. Almost six in 10 Gen Z men believe that promoting women's equality has gone too far with 36% of Gen Z women agreeing. Quite high.

Yeah, that's quite crazy to me. That's the fact I cared about. I was like, wait, that is actually quite... Boring. But you know what it is? Because Gen Z women haven't got to the point in their lives yet where people start ignoring them. They haven't had to experience what happens.

I don't feel like not, you and me really, I don't think we're ignorable. No, but come on. You know, like when we used to like drive around in my car, we were a certain age and boys could not stop looking at us. Now I like driving. I'm like, did he look? No, he didn't.

He didn't. Stop it. Do you think, are you telling me that you've, you think we've lost it? Yes, a hundred percent. I think we've got five more years. Well, you do because you've got melanin and I'm, I don't. So, so lucky you.

My blackness has given me an extra five. It's given you an edge. Yeah. Do you talk about it with the girls? How do you talk about feminism with them? I tell them not to minimise themselves and you know stand their ground with things but as a concept not really yet. I think the day that I'm waiting for is the day that power in a woman does not fear a man. Because when people are angry, they do terrible things.

Men? Mm-hmm. But all of us, when we work from anger, we're going to be, you best believe, working from our absolute worst place. And I don't, there's no part of me that will ever intend to be less powerful because it scares men, but it would be wonderful if it didn't. It would be wonderful in the workplace and the bedroom. It's so sad.

Let's play the share clip to cheer everyone up because this is powerful. My mother's waiting for me to grow old and settle down and marry a rich man. I thought in your case it'd be the other way around. You know, lots of poor guys want to marry you. No, my mother said, Cher, when you get older,

I wish you'd hurry and get older so that you would settle down and marry a rich man. And I said, mom, I am a rich man. You know, it's like like I don't have to marry one. That's right. Damn straight. And thank you Cher. Did I say this? Did I say this sentence on when we were talking about Andrew Tate if you're used to being in a position of power equality feels like oppression? Yes. I did say already. Well it's kind of what I said when we were talking about Andrew Tate the other day,

I was like oh no we're talking about Sam Fender talking about Andrew Tate and I made that point of like no one really likes to be told that they are in a privileged position because we all suffer and the degrees of suffering are different but it you know, people don't like to be told that they are privileged, they just don't. I think feminism can feel like something that we're always fighting for and I don't, I think if I waited for the world to respond to my ambition in the way that I wanted it to, I don't think I'd ever do the things I want to do. Does that make sense?

Like, why would I wait for the world to tell me I can do things? I have to tell myself and then the world will respond. No, but it's when you do those things, this is what will happen. Like you'll suddenly become really, really successful and your accountant that doesn't steal money from all of the male clients that he's got

steals money from your clients. So you have to be constantly fighting and keeping an eye out because the patriarchy just will constantly want to steal and take power away from women. That's what it does. It happened to my mom. It's happened to so many people I know. So many people.

God, that's really, sorry, that's actually really good for me to know because I felt so humiliated and singled out as a like... Probably happened to me, but I never look at my bank statements because I'm too scared. Yeah, I had an accountant and he started stealing from me. And when I lost that job, he continued to steal from me and I had nothing, barely anything. And he just took thousands of pounds from me. How could you do that to a young girl?

Yeah, that's what they do. That was fucking hard to pick myself up from. Yeah. If you're gonna steal from someone, are you gonna choose a young vulnerable woman who, you know, has put her trust in you? Or are you gonna choose, like, a successful man that's gonna...

Question you. ...come down hard on you? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then no one believes women anyway We're all stupid silly little girls. Anyway, anyway There were lots of lovely men in the audience at miss me live and it was lovely to see them there, too There were three heterosexual men in the first night Yeah, but then we had a load of blokes on the second night from all

All walks of life, exactly. A very good way of putting it. It felt like there were people from all walks of life in the room with them. I really hope we gave you something lovely. I do. Anything else you want to talk about, Lil? Anything you need to get off your chest?

Oh, you know what we could talk about? I've had a couple of notes. Children and water entitlement. What? What do you mean? Like kids these days, I'll be like driving the car and I'm not actually talking about my kids, I'm talking about other people's kids. Although my kids would do the same thing, but I'm thirsty. I'm like, OK, well, we're going to be home in half an hour. And they're like, I'm thirsty now. Can we put over a shop and get some water?

And I'm like, where has this come from like in my childhood we would like be lucky if we like passed a fountain in Coram fields that we could have a few little sips like okay all right little please no I'm not fucking joking like there was not like liquid on tap when we were kids. It didn't exist. These kids are entitled. They think that they are allowed to have an Evian bottle of water at the, you know, click of a finger because they're thirsty.

So you're gonna be home, there's glass there and a tap and you'll have some water when we get home. You can suck on the rusty tap when we get home. What is this? You're not dying. We're talking 20 minutes. Grow up. Sorry. They've been brought up in a world of immediacy. So they just, like things now, that's just how things work. Things are immediate. Also I think that in this generation of children, everyone's carrying around their Stanley cups,

their water bottles. When we were kids, it was a novelty to have mineral water in a plastic bottle, right? That was relatively new. How did I travel with water when I was young? We didn't. We didn't have any water. No.

No. We didn't. Oh, Kev, oh, a Daily Mail will pick up on that. We didn't have any water. Oh, no, but we didn't. Oh, careful, a Daily Mail will break on that. We didn't have any water. Oh, no, but we didn't. We didn't have any water. You'd get like those little plastic cups at school where you could fill up with water. Oh, yeah, that was it. Did kids have like disposable, not disposable, you know, keep forever water bottles now as part of like their everyday lifestyle? Yeah, it's a huge trend. It's a huge trend. So that used to be Stanley cups.

Then it was these cups called Awalas. And now there's like these cups that got straws that come out, but we can turn them upside down and the water doesn't come out of them. It's a whole, it's a whole thing. I would love that. It's a whole thing. I love that though. No, but it's good because at least we're talking about something that's carrying water for them. Like at least they're not drinking Alcopops. Yeah. Well, they should take responsibility for their own fucking water bottles. Stop complaining

to me to pull over at newsagents. Needing an Evian refill. Probably get myself a parking ticket. You la zone. I don't know. Yeah. I'm like, okay, I thought we were going to talk about books But if you want to just bring out the girls for their water entitlement We can talk about books as well because I'm actually completely incapable of reading them at the moment Oh, that's what Phoebe was saying was happening to her. Sometimes when you're going through a lot It's really hard to take on board other people's stories. Mm-hmm. Get ready for listen bitch very soon I'm just like it like still like ruminating. So I just I read it and then I and then I'm like, you know, 10 pages in and I'm like, what I just read?

Did you? Yeah, but that's yeah, you're too in your own shit, which is OK, because then when you're ready for a book to save you or rescue or get you out of something, it will be time but not now it's too soon. Why are we talking about this? Talking about this because there's a study from YouGov and it's found 40% of Britons have not read or listened to a book in the past year. Not even listened to one, not even an audio book. That's pathetic isn't it? And it said that it said one in five adults between 16 and 65 only read out or below the expected level of a 10 year old. Shocking. That's really shocking. I remember when I found out that tabloid newspapers write that the journalism is for a reading age of 10. Well I think in some cases in the papers that AI might even be writing some of the articles and then the journalists just proofread them and write the headlines.

Yes well actually I wanted you to tell that story about the summarizing thing writing some of the articles and then the journalists just proofread them and write the headlines. Yes, well, actually, I wanted you to tell that story about the summarizing thing that you said that your phone is doing. Yeah, there was an update on my phone and it gave me the option. It was like AI notifications. And I was like, you know, and now every email, it's like, you know, Ethel querying ingredients dinner yeah like a summarization of something that I'm sure was very simple and very straightforward yeah so they're like wrenching the nuance out of everything yeah wrenching the nuance out of creativity so no ideas every idea is gonna feel like the same weird summarized idea of an idea.

Yeah. So like, so this one, for instance, like is British Airways e-ticket. So it says BA change flight itinerary, bring payment card, check baggage allowances. Now that's quite good. That's quite listy. And I don't have to, I don't have to open the email to know what it is, what it is about. Okay. That I like, that's quite good. None of this is good. I'll just tell you none of it is good. We need to get rid it is about. Okay, that I like. That's quite good. None of this is good. I'll just tell you none of it is good. We need to get rid of it all.

Yeah, I promise next week's episode we aren't going to bitch about AI. We're going to try our bloody hardest to not bitch about AI. Okay, let's wrap this up. Let's wrap this up. Let's absolutely wrap this up. Let's wrap this up. Let's absolutely wrap this up. Thank you, Lilly, for sharing that extraordinary experience with me. What, the live experience? Don't think we'll ever forget it.

No problem, babes, no problem. Okay then, darling, I will see you for this and bitch. I'll see you next week, I'm this and bitch. Gentrification. We're gonna take some people down. OK, because we've been at the heart of it. OK, so that's why we can talk about it, because we've seen this happen. Love you. Love you too. Bye.

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